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ScottLjono, just to let you know that i should start making the team report for ubuntu studio starting in the next couple of weeks (i've got commitments in the queue till then)01:52
jonoScottL, sweeet!01:54
akgranerwoo who finally got all my emails answered!!!01:57
akgraner\o/ happy dance time01:57
akgranerwell that happiness was short lived :-/02:11
nhandlerScottL: That sounds great (Re: Team Reports). Let me know if you need any help setting them up02:46
akgranerScottL, nhandler is the go to guru for all things team reports related!02:47
ScottLgroovy, thanks nhandler , i've already perused the wiki pages, when i get closer to being ready to begin i'll read them again in detail and then ask as i need help03:10
ScottLi'll also spend some time ready other's reports to get a feel as well03:10
nhandlerScottL: Keep in mind, the format of the actual report is pretty much up to you (there are a few basic stylistic guidelines that I should probably document, but I take care of making changes for that when necessary). You will see many different styles of reporting03:13
ScottLnhandler, i like the loose format, i tend to include some subtle humour in my writing :)03:21
nhandlerScottL: I'm sure that will make the report even more enjoyable to read :)03:22
dholbachgood morning!06:41
jussigood morning dholbach06:50
jussidholbach: Ive a question, perhaps you know the answer. why do we have this? http://www.canonical.com/contributors (no, Im not trying to startt a flamewar, just wondering).06:51
dholbachhi jussi06:51
dholbachhttp://www.canonical.com/contributors/faq06:53
dholbachI don't have a better answer than this06:53
jussicurious. perhaps I am missing something here, but if the contributions are open source licensed (as they should be, no?) would that not make this a moot point?06:55
dholbachthis is about copyright06:57
dholbachbut I'm not a lawyer and I can't explain the threat scenario explicitly06:58
dholbachand I have a Packaging Training session to give06:58
dholbachif you have more questions, you could mail Canonical Legal or the email address that is posted on that page06:58
jussiok, I dont understand to be honest, but Im sure someone will explain one day :)06:58
jussidholbach: ok, thanks for your time, its appreciated06:58
dholbach:)06:58
dholbachhey dpm06:58
dpmheya dholbach :)06:59
dpmgood morning everyone06:59
dholbachhola ara!07:03
aramorning dholbach, all07:03
* kim0 waves morning to everyone07:05
dpmhey ara, hey kim007:05
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sensegood morning09:01
dpmmorning sense09:02
AlanBelljussi: basically if someone sues Canonical (or a Canonical customer - they get indemnification), or rips off the code, then Canonical can kick ass all by themselves without hunting down every contributor09:06
aradholbach, did you see my email about the iso testing hall of fame modifications?09:22
dholbachara: yes09:22
dholbachara: but I have heaps of other stuff to do for a309:22
dholbachara: I'll do my best to squeeze it still in09:23
aradholbach, OK, thanks!09:23
aradholbach, whenever you can09:23
czajkowskialoha09:24
araczajkowski, morning09:26
czajkowskiara: hey09:26
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dholbachhey czajkowski, hola randa09:32
randahi dholbach09:33
czajkowskihowdy folks09:33
czajkowski:)09:33
randahi czajkowski09:33
czajkowskiranda: any more crazy songs in the head today :)09:34
randahaha no, czajkowski not today09:34
czajkowskinot yet :)09:34
randabut i can think of some09:34
randalol09:34
huatsmorning09:38
AlanBellmorning all, I am looking for comments on this http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/uuk/installfest2.pdf in particular the text in the middle10:07
popeyAlanBell: adobe reader on windows says "There was an error processing a page. The page contents object has the wrong type."10:10
popeyclick OK and I see a blank page10:10
AlanBelloh, that is a fail10:10
czajkowskiara: pretty page10:10
popeyreloading fixes it10:10
czajkowskibah10:10
czajkowskiAlanBell:10:10
AlanBellpopey: fixes it as in you see the page?10:10
popeyyes10:10
AlanBelljust a bad download perhaps?10:11
popeydunno10:11
popeyhey ho10:11
popeynice doc10:11
popeynot sure about the wording in the middle :)10:11
AlanBellknocked it up in half an hour when I saw MichealH's effort10:11
popeyi really like it10:12
AlanBellif we can get a reasonable number of installfests going I will print these up properly and send them out to people10:12
czajkowskiAlanBell: tis really nice, but like I said last night, I think making it a bit more generic might be wise10:13
AlanBellwill be on 100gsm regular matt paper so they can just overprint the venue and such with a normal laser printer10:13
AlanBellczajkowski: I am not bothered about that, would rather make it good.10:13
popeypeople can edit it :)10:14
czajkowskinot if it's printed...10:14
huatsAlanBell, nice page !10:15
popeyi dont think a generic poster works as well10:16
popeyi mean, to be completely generic you could send out blank pieces of paper and people could fill the whole thing in :)10:16
czajkowski:) true,10:17
czajkowskijust by putting in the animal in the middle ties it with "that" release, I think the poster itself is very snazzy10:17
czajkowskimeego conference happening in Dublin :D10:31
AlanBellczajkowski but just look at his little face, youcouldn't want me to remove him!10:38
czajkowski:)10:39
AlanBellpopey so what would you do to the wording?10:51
popeythe two things that jump out are that we're suggesting wiping machines - which i can understand - dont want to set expectation that we wont wipe them :)10:53
popeyand cant remember the second thing..10:54
popeyi like everything else about it though :)10:54
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jcastrowhew14:23
jcastroshady upgrade this morning14:23
czajkowskialoha14:56
akgranerczajkowski, howdy14:56
randajcastro: ping14:56
jussiI win and you all lose!!!15:08
jussiI HAS INTERNETS!!!15:08
dholbachbrb16:02
nigelboh, jcastro is alive16:03
* nigelb hugs paultag :)16:15
nigelbThank you :)16:15
paultagnigelb: humm?16:16
paultagnigelb: for what?16:16
nigelbpaultag: for doing what I asked you y'day :)16:16
paultagOh yes, dur  :)16:16
paultagnigelb: it's np16:16
nigelbI'll return the favor today16:16
paultagthanks :)16:16
paultagI just uploaded a new fluxbox version to my PPA to test16:17
paultagGot it from a dfsg hack on a 2 year old release to a perfect 3.0 quilt source package off the git tree16:17
jcastrojono: I am back16:17
nigelboh noes, mail flood16:18
jcastromore like delete flood, heh16:18
nigelbhaha16:19
nigelbhow was/is debconf?16:19
jcastroit was great16:19
nigelband I'm pretty inspite of the whole RH vs canonical spat, guadec would have been awesome :)16:19
nigelb*pretty sure16:19
jcastrothere was no spat at GUADEC16:20
macojust on the intertubes?16:20
jcastroit was the outside internet that was exploding16:20
nigelbgah, shoulda known16:21
jcastrohi dholbach16:21
dholbachhi jcastro16:25
jonojcastro, great to have you back :)16:26
jcastrowhich one of you has ubuntu facebook group powers?16:27
jcastrojono: it's good to be back16:27
jcastroif I never go to NYC again I will be happy16:27
paultag+116:28
jcastroIf you think London is expensive you should see NYC16:28
paultagToo many Yankee's fans16:28
jonohehe16:28
jcastroit's just a bit 150% for me, suburbs ftw.16:30
dholbachhey jono16:33
nigelbjcastro: jono does have powers there16:35
dpmhey jcastro, welcome back!16:35
jcastrohi dpm, how did the translations talk at guadec go?16:35
jonoheh16:36
jcastrojono, if you can facebook this now that it's public it would be swell, they have a built in fb button on there: http://ubuntu.stackexchange.com/16:36
popey:)16:37
dpmjcastro, it went well. Being the last talk there wasn't much attendance, but danilo focused the talk not only in translations but also how Launchpad can be used to interact with other communities, so most of the questions at the end were on bugs16:37
jcastropopey: I see you're on board16:37
popeyyup16:37
jcastroI am out of votes but you're on my  list16:37
popeyheh16:37
jonojcastro, will do16:38
jcastroalso, on unity, if you hit alt-f (or any shortcut key to get to a menu), does it get rendered in the app window instead of up in the menu bar like it should be?16:38
czajkowskijcastro: I like SE but it's a large PITA to login16:38
jcastroyeah. :-/16:39
czajkowskiI've yet to get my login working16:39
czajkowski:(16:39
paultagit uses openid czajkowski16:39
czajkowskitried my google ac, my wp ac16:39
jcastrolaunchpad.net/~jorge is all I used16:39
czajkowskihmmmm16:39
popeyjcastro: they had serious issues with logons16:39
popeyat the start16:39
czajkowskiI'll try launchpad.net/~czajkowski so16:40
paultag+1 jcastro16:40
paultagI just logged in with ~paultag16:40
jcastronhandler: nice work on UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Organisation16:41
jcastrosome debconf folks asked if they would be welcome doing sessions and I see you've added mailing the derivatives list already. <316:42
dholbachjcastro: I did that :-P16:42
jcastrodholbach: you rock!16:42
* dholbach hugs jcastro and nhandler :)16:42
vishyay! , jcastro is back!16:46
czajkowskisuffice to say we like it when jcastro jono dholbach dpm are in here there is life in the channel :)16:46
czajkowskioh and kim016:46
czajkowskimy bad16:46
dholbachnot sure you need me for activity in here :)16:46
kim0czajkowski: hee16:46
nigelbczajkowski: and jussi too16:47
nigelbthough he's been consumed by real life lately16:47
* dpm hugs #community16:47
czajkowskinigelb: community team..16:47
nigelbczajkowski: ahhhh16:47
* dholbach hugs you all too16:47
czajkowskiwhen the 5 of them lot aren't in here tis rather quiet.16:47
jcastrohi sense, where you able to get the CDs from the leftover party?16:51
sensejcastro: Nope.16:51
jcastrodid jeroen or dpm grab them?16:51
sensejcastro: I think dpm went to get the stuff friday evening, but that was too late. But maybe jeroen also went after them.16:51
dpmjcastro, I got everything and sent it to Millbank16:52
jcastrodpm: even then CDs?16:52
senseNot sure, but Jeroen did discuss a few things about it with mpt, the first Canonical employee I saw after Jeroen asked me to find someone from Canonical for him.16:52
senseah16:52
jcastrowhoops, I was intending for those CDs to solve your supply problem, sorry.16:52
jcastrosense: you did an amazing job organizing btw.16:53
senseNo point.16:53
dpmjcastro,  yeah, I left some at the hotel and gave some to Jeroen and a Collabora guy, but as sense could not pick them up (the club opened at 22:00 and he had to go back), I just sent the rest back16:53
sensejcastro: As long as Ubuntu NL won't fail the reapproval process again we'll be able to request more CDs from you anyway! ;)16:53
sensejcastro: thanks16:53
jcastroI was just trying to be efficient, heh16:53
senseof course16:53
sensejcastro: No days off for you after the conferences? ;)16:54
* czajkowski hugs sense 16:54
jcastrosense: I am saving them for next week16:54
* dpm hugs sense too16:54
* sense hugs everyone16:55
sensejcastro: Going anywhere? Or just doing nothing at home?16:55
AlanBellpopey: yes, wiping machines is possibly not ideal, but I didn't want an "oh noes it isn't windows" type statements on it16:56
jcastrosense: following jill to one of her conferences (for once)16:56
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sensejcastro: Completely different kind of conference?16:56
jcastrosense: oh hey, were you still doing deluge?16:56
jcastrosense: yeah, psychology16:56
sensejcastro: I've been working on the bug that is blocking deluge during the past few days -- though not non-stop -- and I have fixed a part of the problem in GTK+, which is landing in the Desktop Team PPA. However, the AppInd part of the bug is more problematic and my current code is causing Deluge to segfault.16:57
sensejcastro: Basically: for both the blocking bug and the Deluge AppInd I've got most of the code ready, it just needs to start working.16:58
sensejcastro: blocker is bug #60821916:58
ubot2Launchpad bug 608219 in indicator-application (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Submenus not added when done so with Glade (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60821916:58
sensejcastro: The bad thing is that the segfault is happening in libdbusmenu-glib, which is not something I've been changing code in.16:59
jcastroshould I have karl look at it?16:59
jcastrothis bug has been sucking us for months16:59
sensejcastro: I'm leaving for a two weeks holiday for tomorrow, so I'll see what I can do today, and if it doesn't work I'll push the code I have and ping you.16:59
jcastroplease do, I'd like to have it fixed for you for when you return. :D16:59
senseThat would be great.17:00
nigelbsigh, too bad about google wave :/17:54
jcastrohi huats!17:59
jcastronigelb: it was too complicated anyway17:59
huatsHi jcastro !17:59
huatsI am currently working on the glom update17:59
huatsI'll send an email to murray to talk to him about that17:59
* vish has a nice little story waiting for jcastro to blog :)18:00
vish...when he gets back next week18:00
jcastrohuats: oh hey18:01
jcastroI talked to him at guadec18:01
jcastrohe was unaware of the per package stuff18:01
jcastrohuats: so ideally hand it off to him forever. :p18:01
huatsjcastro,  ok18:01
huatsjcastro, well I think I'll upload a version a bit corrected / in better shape of the package first :)18:02
huatsbut it should be a good idea I think :)18:02
paultagWho do I have to yell at to have the build queue time fixed?18:03
paultagIt's worse then windows -- it says 1 hour, but it's been 2 and I still have 30 minutes left -- at this rate it will be another 2 for the last 3018:03
jcastropaultag: it's in progress and high priority for them18:03
paultagjcastro: Aye, I figured that much out, but c'mon! If you can't get it kinda accurate then don't even include it :)18:03
paultagJust say "n packages in the queue before you"18:04
huatspaultag, I also think that the number of package before can vary18:04
huatssome are with a higher priority I think18:05
huats(my opinion)18:05
paultaghuats: oh sure, and if you upload a higher priority one as well18:05
paultaghuats: but at least it lets you see what's going on, rather then a random time guess that's not quite right18:05
paultagat least a count is accurate18:05
huatsI understand18:05
huatsI think patches are welcomes :P18:06
huatspaultag, ok thta was an easy one my friend18:06
paultaghaha18:06
paultagThat's my favorate line. Don't like it? You're a CS major! Patch it!18:06
paultagIt makes it so no one can whine about poor software :)18:07
jcastroyeah!18:07
JFomy professor in one of my core CS classes changed the dev cycle to include *Identify scapegoats and *Identify the 'guilty' to stakeholders18:08
paultaghahaha18:08
nigelblol18:08
JFothere were several others, but i'd have to consult my notes18:09
JFo:)18:09
JFooh *Assign blame was one18:09
nigelbpaultag: its a problem withnot having proper build quie repect18:09
nigelb*queue18:09
paultagI'm not whining. It's a really really low priority build18:09
paultagand it's just so I can have some people test it before I upload to Debian18:10
paultagOh so I was also thinking --18:11
jcastropaultag: yeah it's been a problem for quite some weeks, I guess it's complicated18:11
paultagjcastro: I never underestimate someone's smarttypants-ness with this stuff18:11
paultagjcastro: so I'm in no position to say what should be done :)18:11
paultagOK, so what's the process for divierting a package from Debian?18:12
paultagdiverting * gah18:12
paultagI was thinking when I do a flux upload in Debian to also upload to Ubuntu with a different theme. We still have Debian branding on Flux right now, and since I'm slowly taking over most of the day-to-day, I'll just prepare both at once18:13
dholbachok my friends - I call it a day18:30
dholbachsee you tomorrow!18:30
huatssee you tomorrow dholbach !18:31
* dholbach hugs huats18:32
* dholbach hugs everybody else too18:32
huats:)18:32
highvoltageeven me!?18:36
dholbachsure18:37
dholbachbye!18:38
czajkowskiyay http://twitter.com/luisbg/status/2040242520918:40
huatsczajkowski, hehe, I did a patch to pitivi years ago too :)18:43
huatsremember the old days :D18:43
czajkowskinice to see it being worked on18:44
* nigelb patched pitvi just before lucid release18:52
nigelbthat is why the title bar looks neat.  It used to show version number earlier.18:52
popeyheh18:53
popeythats a sign of a program thats broken / under massive development - showing the version number in the titlebar18:53
jcastrothey just had a hackathon on it iirc18:55
popeynice18:55
nigelbits a very nifty app to be honest18:55
czajkowskididn't robbie do the video for UDS using PiTivi ?18:57
jcastroyeah18:58
czajkowskijcastro: all recovered?19:01
jcastrosort of19:02
czajkowskijcastro: so GUADEC or DebConf which is the best?19:02
czajkowskineither beat a UDS mind :p19:02
jcastrodepends19:04
jcastroI liked debconf this year, but had to leave early19:04
nigelbzack's really nice :)19:05
czajkowskiaye it's still going on isn't it ?19:05
nigelbalso, debian has become more friendly to ubuntu in this cycle.  Or, we're making more efforts to reach out to the other.19:05
nigelb(maybe jcastro is doing his job)19:06
jcastroit's a huge team effort19:06
czajkowskiseems to be working well this cycle19:09
nigelbyeah, awesome to see debian names at udw19:10
czajkowskiI do think Ubuntu folks are making a large effort you can see that on tweets, both tags are being used, whereas not so much the other way around, but it's good to see the likesof #debian-ubuntu happening19:10
nigelbI met up with a DD recently and he was a really cool guy :)19:10
paultagczajkowski: http://ubuntu.ru/ <-- they have it launched19:10
paultagczajkowski: looks great :)19:11
paultagnigelb: I get drunk with DDs every once in a while, they're great19:11
nigelbpaultag: lol19:11
paultagnigelb: mako, spang and daf <319:11
nigelbpaultag: oh, spang is the friend who works at ksplice?19:11
nigelbshe's DD? wow19:12
paultagnigelb: yuppers19:12
paultagnigelb: christine@debian19:12
paultagnigelb: huge amounts of work from her19:12
nigelb\o/ some people do ROCK :)19:12
pleia2debconf is great, my boss is out of the office again today, woo party19:12
pleia2(actually, it means I have to hold down the fort, and it's been kinda a busy week)19:12
nigelblol19:12
paultagnigelb: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=christine@debian.org19:13
nigelbpaultag: wow19:14
jcastrothe only bummer about debconf was no Pendulum. :(19:20
jcastrobut I guess I got to see maco instead. :p19:20
macojcastro: dea came up to me and said "penelope!" and i was like "um no, im mackenzie. but apparently at uds people asked if she was my cousin, so i guess we look alike"19:21
macoand then she goes "oh uh...yeah that was probably me. i called her mackenzie when i saw her at uds..."19:21
pleia2hehe19:22
macothere were quite a lot of ubuntu folks at debconf19:22
macoi didnt see keybuk til tuesday when jcastro and i both left19:22
macojcastro: did he only show up then, or did i just keep missing him?19:22
jcastrohe was around19:23
jcastrofor some work stuff on one day he stayed at the hotel to get it finished without distraction iirc19:23
macoi looked at jcastro's list of who was there and told emmet which names i didnt know, and he had to give me the irc nick equivalents, since i only know matthias as doko19:23
macoi was glad to finally meet spang & daf19:24
jcastrothey're good people19:25
nigelbmaco: dea?19:26
maconigelb: a woman i met at uds dallas. she went to belgium too apparently19:27
macoand was at debconf19:27
nigelbahhh :)19:27
maconigelb: short brown hair in the UW photos19:27
macothough she dyed it blonde now19:27
pleia2dea is great :)19:27
nigelbon irc?19:27
nigelbjcastro: pedro at debconf?19:29
jcastrono19:30
nigelboh, i assumed he was.19:30
nigelbwhen he's back i need to talk to him about having a patch day :)19:31
vishpleia2: was she the one who arranged the treasure hunt?19:31
vishnigelb: tried -bugs? ;) hes back!19:31
nigelbgah, i have bad timing then19:32
jcastroI think that was her19:32
jcastropleia2: ask her to hang out here!19:32
macoand in #u-w for that matter :P19:35
macoi dont know her irc nick19:35
nigelbbed time..... later foks :)19:36
pleia2I don't think she uses irc :\19:37
macojcastro: olf schedule is up :)19:42
jcastrowow, looks great!19:44
cjohnstonsomeone should sponsor me for olf19:44
JFosadly, I'll be unable to attend OLF this year :(19:51
Pendulumvish: yes, she was19:52
akgranerOh I am liking the OLF schedule  - woo hoo!19:54
vishPendulum: ah , yeah , she was cool ... we[me and a couple of others] won that hunt, btw :D19:54
Technovikingjono: new record for the forums Most users ever online was 43,910, 5 Hours Ago at 08:14 AM20:34
macoTechnoviking: what timezone is the forum in?20:34
macopacific?20:34
Technovikingmaco: it adjust to the timezone you have set, so it would be 8:14am MST20:36
macoohok20:36
macoactually MDT isnt it?20:36
macodaylight savings is still in effect20:36
Technovikingwhat ever:), grew up in Indiana (no daylight saving time back then)20:37
JFocrud, that reminds me. I owe you guys some stuff for forums Technoviking20:37
* JFo is so far behind.20:37
Technovikingmaco: yeah, I'm -6 UTC now20:37
TechnovikingJFo: no problem me too, after my summer class is over need to finish to new forum theme.20:41
highvoltagejono: are you around?20:41
JFoheh20:41
jonoTechnoviking, nice!20:45
jonogood work!20:45
jonohighvoltage, just eating20:45
highvoltagejono: cool. I was looking at your python-junior blog post again, I think it might be nice for Edubuntu since lots of schools do python these days20:47
highvoltagejono: is it ok if I use your source packages from your ppa and clean up (if required) for uploading to universe?20:47
highvoltagejono: ...and also probably acire20:47
jonohighvoltage, perfect!20:50
jonothat would be awesome!20:50
highvoltagejono: great, thanks20:50
macohighvoltage: you're an edubuntu person?20:50
highvoltagemaco: well I wouldn't box myself in as being just one kind of person... but yes it's one of my tags :)20:51
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highvoltagejono: hmm, I can't seem to find a ppa for pyjunior, does it have packaging currently or is there just the branch in LP?21:23
jonohighvoltage, I never made a package21:25
jonoit is literally only a few hours of hacking work21:25
jonobut it is a quickly project so packaging is simple21:26
highvoltagejono: ok, yeah I realised you made it while on vacation and all :)21:26
jono:)21:29
jonoI think it has huge potential21:29
jono:)21:29
pleia2highvoltage: you might also be interested in Pippy: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Pippy21:29
pleia2(if you haven't heard of it yet)21:30
pleia2written for the olpc platform on sugar, but sugar runs on fedora and I think extracting it for ubuntu wouldn't be a lot of trouble21:30
highvoltagepleia2: nice! we're trying to get sugar in as on option on the dvd for the 10.10 release. ideally you'd be able to choose it in ubiquity as part of the installation process like on http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/maverick/ubiquity-plugins/screenshots/desktop-env.png21:35
highvoltagepleia2: if we can't get pippy (or even sugar) in for 10.10 I'll keep it on my todo list for 11.04!21:36
pleia2highvoltage: that would be really great, I'd love to finally see ubuntu as a viable platform for sugar :)21:36
pleia2especially since it looks like the new olpc hardware is going to be targeted at ARM (but that's still all in discussion)21:37
highvoltagepleia2: ooh, interesting21:38
highvoltagepleia2: the examples on the pippy wiki page is really cool!21:39
pleia2highvoltage: yeah, they've done a nice job with that project :)21:39
highvoltagejono: is there a branch or upstream tarball somewhere for acire?22:27
highvoltagehmm, I think I have it22:28
jonohighvoltage, cool :)22:52
highvoltagejono: is it just me, or does python-snippets appear to not have a version number?22:59
senseSee you all in two weeks!23:02
jonohighvoltage, it is a daily package23:19
highvoltagejono: hmm, I'm not sure how to version it in the package then. I guess I could use the daily date then? something like 0.0.201004290407-0ubuntu1 ?23:21
jcastrohighvoltage: yeah, stamp it, one sec23:27
jcastrohttps://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/Recipes23:27
jcastro1.0+{revno}-0ubuntu0+{revno:packaging}+{time} is an example23:27
highvoltagejcastro: thanks!23:28
nhandlerjcastro: Did I even touch that page?23:44
jcastronhandler: I think you edited it at some point23:51
nhandlerjcastro: Ah, I added a note about not using 'All Day Events' and to redent/retween @ubuntuclassroom ;)23:58

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