[01:52] jono, just to let you know that i should start making the team report for ubuntu studio starting in the next couple of weeks (i've got commitments in the queue till then) [01:54] ScottL, sweeet! [01:57] woo who finally got all my emails answered!!! [01:57] \o/ happy dance time [02:11] well that happiness was short lived :-/ [02:46] ScottL: That sounds great (Re: Team Reports). Let me know if you need any help setting them up [02:47] ScottL, nhandler is the go to guru for all things team reports related! [03:10] groovy, thanks nhandler , i've already perused the wiki pages, when i get closer to being ready to begin i'll read them again in detail and then ask as i need help [03:10] i'll also spend some time ready other's reports to get a feel as well [03:13] ScottL: Keep in mind, the format of the actual report is pretty much up to you (there are a few basic stylistic guidelines that I should probably document, but I take care of making changes for that when necessary). You will see many different styles of reporting [03:21] nhandler, i like the loose format, i tend to include some subtle humour in my writing :) [03:22] ScottL: I'm sure that will make the report even more enjoyable to read :) [06:41] good morning! [06:50] good morning dholbach [06:51] dholbach: Ive a question, perhaps you know the answer. why do we have this? http://www.canonical.com/contributors (no, Im not trying to startt a flamewar, just wondering). [06:51] hi jussi [06:53] http://www.canonical.com/contributors/faq [06:53] I don't have a better answer than this [06:55] curious. perhaps I am missing something here, but if the contributions are open source licensed (as they should be, no?) would that not make this a moot point? [06:57] this is about copyright [06:58] but I'm not a lawyer and I can't explain the threat scenario explicitly [06:58] and I have a Packaging Training session to give [06:58] if you have more questions, you could mail Canonical Legal or the email address that is posted on that page [06:58] ok, I dont understand to be honest, but Im sure someone will explain one day :) [06:58] dholbach: ok, thanks for your time, its appreciated [06:58] :) [06:58] hey dpm [06:59] heya dholbach :) [06:59] good morning everyone [07:03] hola ara! [07:03] morning dholbach, all [07:05] * kim0 waves morning to everyone [07:05] hey ara, hey kim0 === ara_ is now known as ara [09:01] good morning [09:02] morning sense [09:06] jussi: basically if someone sues Canonical (or a Canonical customer - they get indemnification), or rips off the code, then Canonical can kick ass all by themselves without hunting down every contributor [09:22] dholbach, did you see my email about the iso testing hall of fame modifications? [09:22] ara: yes [09:22] ara: but I have heaps of other stuff to do for a3 [09:23] ara: I'll do my best to squeeze it still in [09:23] dholbach, OK, thanks! [09:23] dholbach, whenever you can [09:24] aloha [09:26] czajkowski, morning [09:26] ara: hey === randa_ is now known as randa [09:32] hey czajkowski, hola randa [09:33] hi dholbach [09:33] howdy folks [09:33] :) [09:33] hi czajkowski [09:34] randa: any more crazy songs in the head today :) [09:34] haha no, czajkowski not today [09:34] not yet :) [09:34] but i can think of some [09:34] lol [09:38] morning [10:07] morning all, I am looking for comments on this http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/uuk/installfest2.pdf in particular the text in the middle [10:10] AlanBell: adobe reader on windows says "There was an error processing a page. The page contents object has the wrong type." [10:10] click OK and I see a blank page [10:10] oh, that is a fail [10:10] ara: pretty page [10:10] reloading fixes it [10:10] bah [10:10] AlanBell: [10:10] popey: fixes it as in you see the page? [10:10] yes [10:11] just a bad download perhaps? [10:11] dunno [10:11] hey ho [10:11] nice doc [10:11] not sure about the wording in the middle :) [10:11] knocked it up in half an hour when I saw MichealH's effort [10:12] i really like it [10:12] if we can get a reasonable number of installfests going I will print these up properly and send them out to people [10:13] AlanBell: tis really nice, but like I said last night, I think making it a bit more generic might be wise [10:13] will be on 100gsm regular matt paper so they can just overprint the venue and such with a normal laser printer [10:13] czajkowski: I am not bothered about that, would rather make it good. [10:14] people can edit it :) [10:14] not if it's printed... [10:15] AlanBell, nice page ! [10:16] i dont think a generic poster works as well [10:16] i mean, to be completely generic you could send out blank pieces of paper and people could fill the whole thing in :) [10:17] :) true, [10:17] just by putting in the animal in the middle ties it with "that" release, I think the poster itself is very snazzy [10:31] meego conference happening in Dublin :D [10:38] czajkowski but just look at his little face, youcouldn't want me to remove him! [10:39] :) [10:51] popey so what would you do to the wording? [10:53] the two things that jump out are that we're suggesting wiping machines - which i can understand - dont want to set expectation that we wont wipe them :) [10:54] and cant remember the second thing.. [10:54] i like everything else about it though :) === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [14:23] whew [14:23] shady upgrade this morning [14:56] aloha [14:56] czajkowski, howdy [14:56] jcastro: ping [15:08] I win and you all lose!!! [15:08] I HAS INTERNETS!!! [16:02] brb [16:03] oh, jcastro is alive [16:15] * nigelb hugs paultag :) [16:15] Thank you :) [16:16] nigelb: humm? [16:16] nigelb: for what? [16:16] paultag: for doing what I asked you y'day :) [16:16] Oh yes, dur :) [16:16] nigelb: it's np [16:16] I'll return the favor today [16:16] thanks :) [16:17] I just uploaded a new fluxbox version to my PPA to test [16:17] Got it from a dfsg hack on a 2 year old release to a perfect 3.0 quilt source package off the git tree [16:17] jono: I am back [16:18] oh noes, mail flood [16:18] more like delete flood, heh [16:19] haha [16:19] how was/is debconf? [16:19] it was great [16:19] and I'm pretty inspite of the whole RH vs canonical spat, guadec would have been awesome :) [16:19] *pretty sure [16:20] there was no spat at GUADEC [16:20] just on the intertubes? [16:20] it was the outside internet that was exploding [16:21] gah, shoulda known [16:21] hi dholbach [16:25] hi jcastro [16:26] jcastro, great to have you back :) [16:27] which one of you has ubuntu facebook group powers? [16:27] jono: it's good to be back [16:27] if I never go to NYC again I will be happy [16:28] +1 [16:28] If you think London is expensive you should see NYC [16:28] Too many Yankee's fans [16:28] hehe [16:30] it's just a bit 150% for me, suburbs ftw. [16:33] hey jono [16:35] jcastro: jono does have powers there [16:35] hey jcastro, welcome back! [16:35] hi dpm, how did the translations talk at guadec go? [16:36] heh [16:36] jono, if you can facebook this now that it's public it would be swell, they have a built in fb button on there: http://ubuntu.stackexchange.com/ [16:37] :) [16:37] jcastro, it went well. Being the last talk there wasn't much attendance, but danilo focused the talk not only in translations but also how Launchpad can be used to interact with other communities, so most of the questions at the end were on bugs [16:37] popey: I see you're on board [16:37] yup [16:37] I am out of votes but you're on my list [16:37] heh [16:38] jcastro, will do [16:38] also, on unity, if you hit alt-f (or any shortcut key to get to a menu), does it get rendered in the app window instead of up in the menu bar like it should be? [16:38] jcastro: I like SE but it's a large PITA to login [16:39] yeah. :-/ [16:39] I've yet to get my login working [16:39] :( [16:39] it uses openid czajkowski [16:39] tried my google ac, my wp ac [16:39] launchpad.net/~jorge is all I used [16:39] hmmmm [16:39] jcastro: they had serious issues with logons [16:39] at the start [16:40] I'll try launchpad.net/~czajkowski so [16:40] +1 jcastro [16:40] I just logged in with ~paultag [16:41] nhandler: nice work on UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Organisation [16:42] some debconf folks asked if they would be welcome doing sessions and I see you've added mailing the derivatives list already. <3 [16:42] jcastro: I did that :-P [16:42] dholbach: you rock! [16:42] * dholbach hugs jcastro and nhandler :) [16:46] yay! , jcastro is back! [16:46] suffice to say we like it when jcastro jono dholbach dpm are in here there is life in the channel :) [16:46] oh and kim0 [16:46] my bad [16:46] not sure you need me for activity in here :) [16:46] czajkowski: hee [16:47] czajkowski: and jussi too [16:47] though he's been consumed by real life lately [16:47] * dpm hugs #community [16:47] nigelb: community team.. [16:47] czajkowski: ahhhh [16:47] * dholbach hugs you all too [16:47] when the 5 of them lot aren't in here tis rather quiet. [16:51] hi sense, where you able to get the CDs from the leftover party? [16:51] jcastro: Nope. [16:51] did jeroen or dpm grab them? [16:51] jcastro: I think dpm went to get the stuff friday evening, but that was too late. But maybe jeroen also went after them. [16:52] jcastro, I got everything and sent it to Millbank [16:52] dpm: even then CDs? [16:52] Not sure, but Jeroen did discuss a few things about it with mpt, the first Canonical employee I saw after Jeroen asked me to find someone from Canonical for him. [16:52] ah [16:52] whoops, I was intending for those CDs to solve your supply problem, sorry. [16:53] sense: you did an amazing job organizing btw. [16:53] No point. [16:53] jcastro, yeah, I left some at the hotel and gave some to Jeroen and a Collabora guy, but as sense could not pick them up (the club opened at 22:00 and he had to go back), I just sent the rest back [16:53] jcastro: As long as Ubuntu NL won't fail the reapproval process again we'll be able to request more CDs from you anyway! ;) [16:53] jcastro: thanks [16:53] I was just trying to be efficient, heh [16:53] of course [16:54] jcastro: No days off for you after the conferences? ;) [16:54] * czajkowski hugs sense [16:54] sense: I am saving them for next week [16:54] * dpm hugs sense too [16:55] * sense hugs everyone [16:55] jcastro: Going anywhere? Or just doing nothing at home? [16:56] popey: yes, wiping machines is possibly not ideal, but I didn't want an "oh noes it isn't windows" type statements on it [16:56] sense: following jill to one of her conferences (for once) === nigelbabu is now known as nigelb [16:56] jcastro: Completely different kind of conference? [16:56] sense: oh hey, were you still doing deluge? [16:56] sense: yeah, psychology [16:57] jcastro: I've been working on the bug that is blocking deluge during the past few days -- though not non-stop -- and I have fixed a part of the problem in GTK+, which is landing in the Desktop Team PPA. However, the AppInd part of the bug is more problematic and my current code is causing Deluge to segfault. [16:58] jcastro: Basically: for both the blocking bug and the Deluge AppInd I've got most of the code ready, it just needs to start working. [16:58] jcastro: blocker is bug #608219 [16:58] Launchpad bug 608219 in indicator-application (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Submenus not added when done so with Glade (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608219 [16:59] jcastro: The bad thing is that the segfault is happening in libdbusmenu-glib, which is not something I've been changing code in. [16:59] should I have karl look at it? [16:59] this bug has been sucking us for months [16:59] jcastro: I'm leaving for a two weeks holiday for tomorrow, so I'll see what I can do today, and if it doesn't work I'll push the code I have and ping you. [16:59] please do, I'd like to have it fixed for you for when you return. :D [17:00] That would be great. [17:54] sigh, too bad about google wave :/ [17:59] hi huats! [17:59] nigelb: it was too complicated anyway [17:59] Hi jcastro ! [17:59] I am currently working on the glom update [17:59] I'll send an email to murray to talk to him about that [18:00] * vish has a nice little story waiting for jcastro to blog :) [18:00] ...when he gets back next week [18:01] huats: oh hey [18:01] I talked to him at guadec [18:01] he was unaware of the per package stuff [18:01] huats: so ideally hand it off to him forever. :p [18:01] jcastro, ok [18:02] jcastro, well I think I'll upload a version a bit corrected / in better shape of the package first :) [18:02] but it should be a good idea I think :) [18:03] Who do I have to yell at to have the build queue time fixed? [18:03] It's worse then windows -- it says 1 hour, but it's been 2 and I still have 30 minutes left -- at this rate it will be another 2 for the last 30 [18:03] paultag: it's in progress and high priority for them [18:03] jcastro: Aye, I figured that much out, but c'mon! If you can't get it kinda accurate then don't even include it :) [18:04] Just say "n packages in the queue before you" [18:04] paultag, I also think that the number of package before can vary [18:05] some are with a higher priority I think [18:05] (my opinion) [18:05] huats: oh sure, and if you upload a higher priority one as well [18:05] huats: but at least it lets you see what's going on, rather then a random time guess that's not quite right [18:05] at least a count is accurate [18:05] I understand [18:06] I think patches are welcomes :P [18:06] paultag, ok thta was an easy one my friend [18:06] haha [18:06] That's my favorate line. Don't like it? You're a CS major! Patch it! [18:07] It makes it so no one can whine about poor software :) [18:07] yeah! [18:08] my professor in one of my core CS classes changed the dev cycle to include *Identify scapegoats and *Identify the 'guilty' to stakeholders [18:08] hahaha [18:08] lol [18:09] there were several others, but i'd have to consult my notes [18:09] :) [18:09] oh *Assign blame was one [18:09] paultag: its a problem withnot having proper build quie repect [18:09] *queue [18:09] I'm not whining. It's a really really low priority build [18:10] and it's just so I can have some people test it before I upload to Debian [18:11] Oh so I was also thinking -- [18:11] paultag: yeah it's been a problem for quite some weeks, I guess it's complicated [18:11] jcastro: I never underestimate someone's smarttypants-ness with this stuff [18:11] jcastro: so I'm in no position to say what should be done :) [18:12] OK, so what's the process for divierting a package from Debian? [18:12] diverting * gah [18:13] I was thinking when I do a flux upload in Debian to also upload to Ubuntu with a different theme. We still have Debian branding on Flux right now, and since I'm slowly taking over most of the day-to-day, I'll just prepare both at once [18:30] ok my friends - I call it a day [18:30] see you tomorrow! [18:31] see you tomorrow dholbach ! [18:32] * dholbach hugs huats [18:32] * dholbach hugs everybody else too [18:32] :) [18:36] even me!? [18:37] sure [18:38] bye! [18:40] yay http://twitter.com/luisbg/status/20402425209 [18:43] czajkowski, hehe, I did a patch to pitivi years ago too :) [18:43] remember the old days :D [18:44] nice to see it being worked on [18:52] * nigelb patched pitvi just before lucid release [18:52] that is why the title bar looks neat. It used to show version number earlier. [18:53] heh [18:53] thats a sign of a program thats broken / under massive development - showing the version number in the titlebar [18:55] they just had a hackathon on it iirc [18:55] nice [18:55] its a very nifty app to be honest [18:57] didn't robbie do the video for UDS using PiTivi ? [18:58] yeah [19:01] jcastro: all recovered? [19:02] sort of [19:02] jcastro: so GUADEC or DebConf which is the best? [19:02] neither beat a UDS mind :p [19:04] depends [19:04] I liked debconf this year, but had to leave early [19:05] zack's really nice :) [19:05] aye it's still going on isn't it ? [19:05] also, debian has become more friendly to ubuntu in this cycle. Or, we're making more efforts to reach out to the other. [19:06] (maybe jcastro is doing his job) [19:06] it's a huge team effort [19:09] seems to be working well this cycle [19:10] yeah, awesome to see debian names at udw [19:10] I do think Ubuntu folks are making a large effort you can see that on tweets, both tags are being used, whereas not so much the other way around, but it's good to see the likesof #debian-ubuntu happening [19:10] I met up with a DD recently and he was a really cool guy :) [19:10] czajkowski: http://ubuntu.ru/ <-- they have it launched [19:11] czajkowski: looks great :) [19:11] nigelb: I get drunk with DDs every once in a while, they're great [19:11] paultag: lol [19:11] nigelb: mako, spang and daf <3 [19:11] paultag: oh, spang is the friend who works at ksplice? [19:12] she's DD? wow [19:12] nigelb: yuppers [19:12] nigelb: christine@debian [19:12] nigelb: huge amounts of work from her [19:12] \o/ some people do ROCK :) [19:12] debconf is great, my boss is out of the office again today, woo party [19:12] (actually, it means I have to hold down the fort, and it's been kinda a busy week) [19:12] lol [19:13] nigelb: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=christine@debian.org [19:14] paultag: wow [19:20] the only bummer about debconf was no Pendulum. :( [19:20] but I guess I got to see maco instead. :p [19:21] jcastro: dea came up to me and said "penelope!" and i was like "um no, im mackenzie. but apparently at uds people asked if she was my cousin, so i guess we look alike" [19:21] and then she goes "oh uh...yeah that was probably me. i called her mackenzie when i saw her at uds..." [19:22] hehe [19:22] there were quite a lot of ubuntu folks at debconf [19:22] i didnt see keybuk til tuesday when jcastro and i both left [19:22] jcastro: did he only show up then, or did i just keep missing him? [19:23] he was around [19:23] for some work stuff on one day he stayed at the hotel to get it finished without distraction iirc [19:23] i looked at jcastro's list of who was there and told emmet which names i didnt know, and he had to give me the irc nick equivalents, since i only know matthias as doko [19:24] i was glad to finally meet spang & daf [19:25] they're good people [19:26] maco: dea? [19:27] nigelb: a woman i met at uds dallas. she went to belgium too apparently [19:27] and was at debconf [19:27] ahhh :) [19:27] nigelb: short brown hair in the UW photos [19:27] though she dyed it blonde now [19:27] dea is great :) [19:27] on irc? [19:29] jcastro: pedro at debconf? [19:30] no [19:30] oh, i assumed he was. [19:31] when he's back i need to talk to him about having a patch day :) [19:31] pleia2: was she the one who arranged the treasure hunt? [19:31] nigelb: tried -bugs? ;) hes back! [19:32] gah, i have bad timing then [19:32] I think that was her [19:32] pleia2: ask her to hang out here! [19:35] and in #u-w for that matter :P [19:35] i dont know her irc nick [19:36] bed time..... later foks :) [19:37] I don't think she uses irc :\ [19:42] jcastro: olf schedule is up :) [19:44] wow, looks great! [19:44] someone should sponsor me for olf [19:51] sadly, I'll be unable to attend OLF this year :( [19:52] vish: yes, she was [19:54] Oh I am liking the OLF schedule - woo hoo! [19:54] Pendulum: ah , yeah , she was cool ... we[me and a couple of others] won that hunt, btw :D [20:34] jono: new record for the forums Most users ever online was 43,910, 5 Hours Ago at 08:14 AM [20:34] Technoviking: what timezone is the forum in? [20:34] pacific? [20:36] maco: it adjust to the timezone you have set, so it would be 8:14am MST [20:36] ohok [20:36] actually MDT isnt it? [20:36] daylight savings is still in effect [20:37] what ever:), grew up in Indiana (no daylight saving time back then) [20:37] crud, that reminds me. I owe you guys some stuff for forums Technoviking [20:37] * JFo is so far behind. [20:37] maco: yeah, I'm -6 UTC now [20:41] JFo: no problem me too, after my summer class is over need to finish to new forum theme. [20:41] jono: are you around? [20:41] heh [20:45] Technoviking, nice! [20:45] good work! [20:45] highvoltage, just eating [20:47] jono: cool. I was looking at your python-junior blog post again, I think it might be nice for Edubuntu since lots of schools do python these days [20:47] jono: is it ok if I use your source packages from your ppa and clean up (if required) for uploading to universe? [20:47] jono: ...and also probably acire [20:50] highvoltage, perfect! [20:50] that would be awesome! [20:50] jono: great, thanks [20:50] highvoltage: you're an edubuntu person? [20:51] maco: well I wouldn't box myself in as being just one kind of person... but yes it's one of my tags :) === paultag_ is now known as paultag [21:23] jono: hmm, I can't seem to find a ppa for pyjunior, does it have packaging currently or is there just the branch in LP? [21:25] highvoltage, I never made a package [21:25] it is literally only a few hours of hacking work [21:26] but it is a quickly project so packaging is simple [21:26] jono: ok, yeah I realised you made it while on vacation and all :) [21:29] :) [21:29] I think it has huge potential [21:29] :) [21:29] highvoltage: you might also be interested in Pippy: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Pippy [21:30] (if you haven't heard of it yet) [21:30] written for the olpc platform on sugar, but sugar runs on fedora and I think extracting it for ubuntu wouldn't be a lot of trouble [21:35] pleia2: nice! we're trying to get sugar in as on option on the dvd for the 10.10 release. ideally you'd be able to choose it in ubiquity as part of the installation process like on http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/maverick/ubiquity-plugins/screenshots/desktop-env.png [21:36] pleia2: if we can't get pippy (or even sugar) in for 10.10 I'll keep it on my todo list for 11.04! [21:36] highvoltage: that would be really great, I'd love to finally see ubuntu as a viable platform for sugar :) [21:37] especially since it looks like the new olpc hardware is going to be targeted at ARM (but that's still all in discussion) [21:38] pleia2: ooh, interesting [21:39] pleia2: the examples on the pippy wiki page is really cool! [21:39] highvoltage: yeah, they've done a nice job with that project :) [22:27] jono: is there a branch or upstream tarball somewhere for acire? [22:28] hmm, I think I have it [22:52] highvoltage, cool :) [22:59] jono: is it just me, or does python-snippets appear to not have a version number? [23:02] See you all in two weeks! [23:19] highvoltage, it is a daily package [23:21] jono: hmm, I'm not sure how to version it in the package then. I guess I could use the daily date then? something like 0.0.201004290407-0ubuntu1 ? [23:27] highvoltage: yeah, stamp it, one sec [23:27] https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/Recipes [23:27] 1.0+{revno}-0ubuntu0+{revno:packaging}+{time} is an example [23:28]