[08:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: when you get in crashreport failed to install in ff369 dailies
[13:15] <jaes> hi
[13:17] <jaes> i just installed thunderbird-3.1 from the ubuntu mozilla team ppa and i'd like to post a minor bug but i didn't find where i should do that
[13:21] <fta> see the topic
[13:26] <jaes> fta: thank you, i didn't see it
[13:57] <chrisccoulson> jaes - thunderbird not starting is a minor bug? ;)
[14:11] <jaes> chrisccoulson: it was easily fixed, so it didn't alarmed me that much
[15:53]  * micahg wonders why my test launch was good
[15:57] <micahg> jaes: thank you for finding that bug :)
[16:27] <micahg> chrisccoulson: is FF40 worth a respin in the PPA?
[16:28] <micahg> chrisccoulson: nm, I forgot there was a problem w/xul20
[16:28] <micahg> fta: can you respin just TB31?
[16:28] <chrisccoulson> micahg - it's waiting for xulrunner (which has failed) to build isn't it?
[16:28] <chrisccoulson> yeah ;)
[16:30] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I need to wait till Sunday for Thunderbird upload, maybe Sunday night, I need to dogfood it w/enigmail, upstream lightning and test locales and I can't do it before the weekend.  upstream locales for 3.1.2 should be published today, I don't have enigmail updated yet
[16:30] <chrisccoulson> ok. i'll upload enigmail-locales for lucid in a minute, i'm clearing some sponsoring right now
[16:31] <micahg> chrisccoulson: cool, thanks, BTW, I'll probably update instantbird this weekend as well
[16:32] <micahg> brb, need  a reboot for kernel security uupdate
[17:01] <fta> micahg, chrisccoulson: umd refreshed
[17:03] <chrisccoulson> fta - thanks
[17:03] <chrisccoulson> micahg - you forgot the bug number in the changelog for enigmail-locales ;)
[17:04] <micahg> I guess I did, sorry
[17:04] <chrisccoulson> heh, no worries. i've added it now
[17:15] <chrisccoulson> micahg - enigmail-locales uploaded
[17:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: thanks, I hope it works :)
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> right, back to other work now i've sponsored that, connman  and ofono :)
[17:27] <micahg> fta: thanks
[17:27] <micahg> fta: will you be around sunday for umd changes?
 fta: will you be available on Sunday for a bot change re TB3?
 micahg, probably not until the evening, my time
[17:32] <fta> that was yesterday
[17:32] <micahg> fta: oh, sorry, missed that somehow, that's fine, whenever
[17:35] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I don't understand, is the daily PPA not building w/MIN_SYS_DEPS?
[17:35] <chrisccoulson> micahg - not yet. i've mostly finished it here already, but i didn't want to push it until i've made sure it still builds ok
[17:36] <micahg> chrisccoulson: sorry, I meant 3.6
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> oh, it should be for 3.6
[17:36] <fta> i do i get a package dropped from the lucid queue? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[17:36] <micahg> so, I don't understand the fix for the FTBFS
[17:37] <micahg> fta: ask archive admin to reject the upload
[17:37] <fta> (the older python-pysnmp4)
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> micahg - are you referring to the lpia build failures for 3.6?
[17:44] <micahg> yeah, I guess so
[17:45] <micahg> is that what happened?
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i see what the issue is there
[17:45] <micahg> it's just that one arch
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> micahg - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.6.head/revision/642 will fix that
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> (inadvertently) ;)
[17:46] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that's what I don't get, I thought we were buillding with that already
[17:46] <micahg> or is it not on that arch
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> micahg - it's only enabled on i386, amd64 and armel
[17:46] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ah, right
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> so it won't exist on lpia, but that commit should fix that now
[18:51] <vish> chrisccoulson: micahg: how does : http://paste.ubuntu.com/473629/ sound as an update for the ubufox description?
[18:51] <chrisccoulson> the short description seems a little wrong :/
[18:51] <vish> oh!
[18:52] <micahg> vish: please file a bug on ubufox to change release notes to Ubuntu release notes
[18:52] <vish> chrisccoulson: that one is the old description
[18:52]  * micahg has to run
[18:52] <vish> micahg: there is a bug already
[18:52] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, it doesn't really make sense
[18:52] <micahg> vish: k
[18:53] <vish> micahg: oh , i was thinking of a different bug.. i'll search and file one if not there
[18:54] <vish> chrisccoulson: this is what it is right now,> http://paste.ubuntu.com/473633/
[18:55]  * vish looking to fix #123713 for maverick atleast ;)
[18:55] <chrisccoulson> the short description should probably be more like "Ubuntu specific configuration defaults and apt support for Firefox"
[18:56] <vish> ah , nice catch!
[18:56]  * vish changes that too
[19:01] <vish> chrisccoulson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/473635/ better?
[19:04] <chrisccoulson> vish, yeah, seems to be
[19:04] <vish> chrisccoulson: neat thanks.
[19:05]  * vish pushes branch
[19:05] <vish> micahg: found Bug #274605
[19:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 274605 in ubufox (Ubuntu Jaunty) (and 2 other projects) "Firefox release notes show Ubuntu release notes (affects: 14) (dups: 6) (heat: 64)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/274605
[19:05] <vish> oh he is not here ..
[19:42] <vish> https://code.launchpad.net/~vish/ubuntu/maverick/ubufox/bug123713/+merge/31872
[19:42] <vish> do i have to set the reviewers to mozilla team or .. is that fine?
[19:59] <micahg> fta: do you mind if I write an apport hook for chromium?
[20:04] <vish> micahg: found Bug #274605
[20:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 274605 in ubufox (Ubuntu Jaunty) (and 2 other projects) "Firefox release notes show Ubuntu release notes (affects: 14) (dups: 6) (heat: 64)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/274605
[20:04] <vish> micahg: also , for :  https://code.launchpad.net/~vish/ubuntu/maverick/ubufox/bug123713/+merge/31872   do i have to set the reviewers to mozilla team or .. is that fine?
[20:06] <micahg> vish: that should probably be UNRELEASED not maverick
[20:06] <micahg> I think chrisccoulson is planning an update
[20:06] <vish> oh , ok
[20:06]  * vish fixes
[20:11] <fta> micahg, what do you want to add?
[20:12] <micahg> fta: oh, is there a hook already?
[20:12] <micahg> fta: I have some notes from evan from UDS on stuff he request
[20:13] <fta> micahg, no, i wanted to add one a long time ago, but couldn't think of anything useful.
[20:13] <fta> oh, where is that?
[20:14] <micahg> fta: I have it on another disk, I can try to pull it up next week sometime, would you be ok writing it then?
[20:14] <micahg> I'll add it to the blueprint for better apport support in browsers
[20:14] <fta> micahg, feel free to do it, i'm just curious about what's needed
[20:14] <micahg> fta: one of the things was which window manager
[20:14] <micahg> I think the other thing was an extensions list
[20:17] <micahg> vish: yeah, you can request review by the ubuntu-mozilla-uploaders team
[20:18] <vish> micahg: thanks , done.
[20:19] <micahg> vish: it's different as for some reason, we don't have a team branch for it, I guess asac wanted a little more control over it
[20:20] <micahg> s/more control/added controls
[20:21] <vish> micahg: oh , ubufox is not under the mozilla team ? odd...
[20:28] <micahg> vish: yep, but the uploaders can maintain the debian dir
[20:29] <vish> micahg: this merge is a change in the debian dir alone, right?
[20:29] <micahg> vish: yep :)
[20:30] <micahg> jdstrand: if the apparmor notify plugin supposed to not show alerts for profiles in complain mode?
[20:30] <micahg> *is
[20:31] <vish> micahg: so i'm confused now , why uploaders cant upload , or did you mean , this one uploaders /can/ upload :)
[20:31] <micahg> vish: uploaders can upload :), we just don't manage the "upstream' ubufox release
[20:31] <vish> ah , got it :)
[20:51] <jdstrand> micahg: is this on maverick?
[20:52] <micahg> jdstrand: no, lucid
[20:53] <jdstrand> micahg: it should show them. you may be running into kernel rate limiting
[20:53] <micahg> hmm
[20:54] <jdstrand> disable rate limiting with kern.log via sysctl:
[20:54] <jdstrand> sudo sysctl -w kernel.printk_ratelimit=0
[20:54] <jdstrand> micahg: well, are you saying you see the messages in kern.log, but that apparmor_notify isn't displaying them?
[20:55] <micahg> I think so
[20:56] <micahg> yes
[20:58] <komputes> Is there something special that needs to be done to have links clicked in thunderbird focus the firefox window upfront instead of in the background?
[20:58] <komputes> asac: ^ ?
[20:59] <asac> komputes: thats a decision of the design team basically
[20:59] <asac> e.g. apps should never come to front, but rather signal attention in the background
[20:59] <komputes> asac: right, it used to focus all the time before. good i havent gone crazy ;)
[20:59] <asac> thats my understanding. talk to mpt
[20:59] <chrisccoulson> are you using compiz?
[20:59] <asac> komputes: well there are bugs in metacity vs compiz
[20:59] <komputes> asac: I agree, just helping someone who likes the old behavior
[21:00] <asac> i think the compiz behaviour is the one UX always wanted
[21:00] <komputes> no compiz just metacity
[21:00] <asac> while metacity was always buggy (e.g. to front)
[21:00] <asac> then maybe they fixed the metacity bug finally
[21:00] <chrisccoulson> the compiz behaviour sucks. it either focuses windows when i don't want them, or doesn't focus windows when i do want them
[21:00] <komputes> asac: this has been the case for at leat 10.04 and I think 9.10 was where the new behavior was introduced
[21:00] <chrisccoulson> i've always found metacity to work better ;)
[21:01] <komputes> me too
[21:01] <chrisccoulson> the focus stealing logic in compiz is just completely broken IMO
[21:02] <asac> komputes: well. yes. its a mess :-P
[21:02] <asac> talk to desktop team what the actual wanted behaviour is
[21:02] <asac> i lost track of where we stand now
[21:02] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure the design team have had any influence on the current behaviour, i think it's actually just broken ;)
[21:03] <komputes> asac: as I said, I agree with mpt's design decision of "apps open in bkg" but is there a way to reverse it for users who prefer the old way. Either configuring metacity or about:config'ing ff or tb?
[21:04] <jdstrand> micahg: based on the code, it looks like it is only looking at AA_RECORD_DENIED. I am betting complain mode uses AA_RECORD_AUDIT
[21:04] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, apps opening in background is wrong
[21:04] <chrisccoulson> it should be:
[21:04] <komputes> chrisccoulson: unless you call it explicitly
[21:04] <micahg> jdstrand: wouldn't it be benificial to at least have a config option for audit (maybe one already esxists)
[21:04] <chrisccoulson> apps open in fg unless you clicked anywhere else in between launching the app and it appearing
[21:04] <chrisccoulson> and that's how metacity (and mutter) already does it
[21:05] <jdstrand> micahg: profile in complain mode tends not not be as cool as one would like, since the application goes through different codes paths
[21:05] <chrisccoulson> brb, i have  to shut down to undock, else X crashes
[21:05] <jdstrand> micahg: apparmor_notify could be adjusted. feel free to file a bug and attach a patch if you can
[21:06] <micahg> jdstrand: well, are the extra dirs in place for maverick so I can make changes to the firefox profile without having it overwritten every time?
[21:06] <jdstrand> micahg: I am actually working on it right now (well, before I started talking to you :)
[21:06] <asac> komputes: i think thats not that easy.
[21:06] <micahg> jdstrand: basically I need to keep adding /opt/source so I can attach debdiffs to lucid
[21:06] <micahg> s/lucid/LP
[21:06] <komputes> asac: well one can always wish
[21:07] <komputes> asac: thanks for the pointers, cheers
[21:07] <asac> its too long ago when i looked at the code. window manager could probably have a config switch for that ;)
[21:07] <asac> at least metacity and compiz are probably well integrated in gconf etc. but not sure what upstream says about it
[22:02] <fta> BUGabundo, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=50678
[22:02]  * BUGabundo clicks
[22:03] <BUGabundo> its that alright
[22:03] <BUGabundo> thanks
[22:03]  * BUGabundo stars
[22:08] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i have no idea what Frederik Nnaji is talking about in response to the e-mail i posted to the ubuntu-desktop ML yesterday
[22:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: he wants to be an open source evangelist vicariously through ubufox :)
[22:10] <micahg> oh,  wrong guy
[22:11] <micahg> he wants a bookmark service that auto updates with a focus on the user <-- weird, because we already focus the bookmarks on teh user
[22:11] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i couldn't work out what he was getting at :/
[22:11] <chrisccoulson> never mind, i'll just ignore him ;)
[22:12] <micahg> k
[22:48] <BUGabundo> fta: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=50517
[22:48] <BUGabundo> this is the one really messing with me
[22:48] <BUGabundo> can't use it at work
[22:48] <BUGabundo> doesn't like ISA server
[22:48] <BUGabundo> and squid was removed last week