[02:41] <kcormier> hey all.  So what are the best recommended remote and pvr for a myth setup?  budget of $350 for both. (i know this is subjective, just looking for recommendations)
[02:45] <mrand> kcormier: a number of tuners and capture devices come with mce remotes, most of which work great.
[02:49] <mrand> as for which tuner, depends on what you want to do.  You said earlier that you had a cable box - are you going to continue with that, or change to something else?  If you switch to over-the-air, then HDHR is the best choice.  If you plan to stick with cable and you want HD, then the HD-PVR 1212 is  pretty much the only way to go right now.
[02:54] <kcormier> i want high def cable.  rhpot1991 was telling me about how he controls via firewire and records via a pvr.  I think this is what I would most like to duplicate.
[02:55] <mrand> kcormier: yep.  Looks like the 1212 is onsale right now... http://www.erwincomputers.com/1212.html or a few dollars more at Amazon.
[02:55] <Zinn> [www.erwincomputers.com] Hauppauge HD PVR High-Definition H.264 Video Recorder (1212)
[02:57] <mrand> kcormier: can your computer handle Hidef playback?
[02:58] <kcormier> quad core amd w/ 4 gigs of ram as a front end/back end.  Integrated video though I think.  Willing to upgrade that if I can fit it all in that $350 budget.
[02:59] <kcormier> integrated Radeon HD 4200
[03:00] <kcormier> have you used erwincomputers.com before?  it is 20 bucks more at newegg.
[03:00] <Zinn> [erwincomputers.com] ERWINCOMP.COM - Electronics, GPS, Cell Phones, Computers, and Gadgets
[03:01] <mrand> I haven't, but I found it via google shopping and it had huge number of good reviews.  I'd check reseller ratings also, but assuming I didn't find anything, I'd probably go for it.
[03:02] <mrand> For true high-def playback, you might need something approaching 3 GHz since you have integrated graphics.
[03:02] <mrand> Since it is what you have, might as well try it... if it stutters, then buy an Nvidia VDPAU capable card.
[03:05] <kcormier> good to know.  always been a big fan of rr.  It is 2.9 GHz quad core.   It will be doing double duty running VirtualBox as well so it may be good to upgrade in the future (shouldn't ever be doing both though).
[03:05] <mrand> I'll bet it does just fine.
[03:06] <kcormier> so the remote that comes with the 1212 is acceptable?  A little excited to get started with this.  Will be ordering the new cable box tomorrow to go w/ the pvr so I can get started hopefully early next week.
[03:08] <mrand> Unless there is a driver level problem with the one on the 1212, it should be fine.  If there is a problem, alternative mce remotes are a dime a dozen.
[03:20] <rhpot1991> kcormier: http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/13
[03:20] <Zinn> [www.baablogic.net] My MythTV Setup | www.baablogic.net
[03:21] <mrand> kcormier: doesn't look like the driver problem in the 1212 has been resolved yet: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/445502   You might as well get it and try it out... if it doesn't work, then buy a different one.   Just know that you don't have to buy rhpot1991's $432 remote ;-)
[03:21] <Zinn> [www.gossamer-threads.com] HDPVR and lirc_zilog drive me crazy | MythTV | Users
[03:21] <rhpot1991> haha
[03:21] <rhpot1991> mrand: I only own 2 890s
[03:22] <rhpot1991> and a very expensive onkyo receiver
[03:22] <rhpot1991> you could use a remote with the HDHR too
[03:23] <rhpot1991> kcormier: I've very happy with the combination of HDHR and HDPVR, allows me to record anything I want
[03:23] <mrand> kcormier: Are you wanting channels only available via cable?
[03:24] <mrand> rhpot1991: he can always go for the HDHR later
[03:27] <rhpot1991> mrand: ya not sure how I feel about which to recommend first
[03:27] <rhpot1991> will be interesting to see what happens when the hdhr-prime comes about
[03:28] <mrand> I checked their forums just yesterday - still no word on the beta even, so it'll still be a while.
[03:28] <mrand> To me it is a no brainer... the HDPVR is usable for every channel.  HDHR is not.
[03:28] <rhpot1991> mrand: HDHR can record 4+ shows at once, and is cheaper
[03:29] <rhpot1991> that plus firewire and you are good
[03:29] <rhpot1991> HDPVR can record one at a time, and required another stb
[03:29] <mrand> unless the shows he wants are on encrypted channels.
[03:29] <rhpot1991> wich is $9-13 a month
[03:29] <mrand> I understand what you mean.
[03:29] <rhpot1991> mrand: depends on his firewire I guess
[03:30] <rhpot1991> I was able to get by with firewire for ages, only channel I missed was FXHD
[03:30] <rhpot1991> and at the time the shield was only in SD
[03:30] <rhpot1991> so pvr-x50 got that
[03:30] <kcormier> sorry i disappeared.  set up hulu so i could watch something while I wait for parts, gonna catch up
[03:36] <kcormier> so I didn't quite follow your previous convo.  What is the hdhr?  Also, is anyone else using hulu on mythbuntu?  how is the video quality?
[03:36] <mrand> kcormier: so our mini-debate really revolves around which channels you are likely to be wanting to record from.  If they are encrypted, you need the HDPVR (aka 1212).
[03:36] <mrand> If they aren't, then the HDHR is less expensive and can capture more shows at once.
[03:37] <kcormier> ahh.  gotcha.  hdpvr.
[03:38] <kcormier> comcast is locking out a LOT of their channels with encryption of some type (can't pick it up with my tv)
[03:38] <kcormier> and because of where I am, there is very little over the air signal.
[03:39] <rhpot1991> kcormier: http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/
[03:39] <Zinn> [www.silicondust.com] Channels « Welcome to SiliconDust
[03:39] <rhpot1991> plug your zip in there
[03:39] <rhpot1991> that said, anything not your locals in HD will most likely go away
[03:39] <rhpot1991> the channels 1-78 were thrown in clear QAM for the digital transition and will move away at some point
[03:40] <rhpot1991> so you should ignore them so you aren't sad when they go goodbye
[03:41] <kcormier> lol.  alright.  I'm gonna do the hdpvr for now.  When things settle I might add the hdhd or equivalent of the time so that I can record anything open w/ that, and still have the pvr to fall back for the stuff that is encrypted if it makes sense then.
[03:41] <kcormier> but I can see where the hdhd would be nice
[03:41] <kcormier> those are all the over the air channels?
[03:42] <rhpot1991> kcormier: comcast should broadcast all your locals in clear QAM
[03:42] <rhpot1991> and the HDHR can do what is called multirec, so it can record multiple shows on a tuner as long as they are in the same multiplex
[03:42] <rhpot1991> multiplex is the right word, right mrand?
[03:43] <rhpot1991> so for me I can record I think CBS and Fox at the same time
[03:43] <rhpot1991> and then ABC and NBC are different
[03:44] <kcormier> gotcha
[03:44] <rhpot1991> kcormier: you could hope that woot has HDHRs again
[03:44] <rhpot1991> they had them for 85 a few days ago
[03:46] <kcormier> decent.  I'd like to be able to do the encrypted stuff, so I'm gonna go with the pvr for now.  But I like the idea of the hdhr down the road.
[03:46] <kcormier> if comcast doesn't lock everything up
[03:47] <rhpot1991> kcormier: by law (not that it matters much) they have to give you your locals
[03:49] <kcormier> good to know.  I'm willing to give em hell.
[03:49] <Zinn> kcormier: Please watch your language.
[03:52] <kcormier> my bad.  Anyone here using hulu with mythtv on an hdtv?
[03:56] <mrand> kcormier: I'd check the ubuntu forums, or mythtv-users mailing list archive
[03:56] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: ^ you still?
[03:57] <rhpot1991> kcormier: I tried it and wasn't impressed, thats about as far as I got
[04:00] <mrand> Everyone wave goodbye to google wave.
[04:01] <kcormier> i'm using it now.  i really like hulu.  It's just very choppy.  really kinda aggravating me right now.
[04:01] <rhpot1991> kcormier: pretty much, flash sucks
[04:02] <rhpot1991> mrand: where is it going?
[04:02] <mrand> rhpot1991: you didn't use it, so they're giving up.
[04:17] <rhpot1991> but I did
[05:14] <kcormier> do you guys think upgrading from an integrated graphics card would help hulu playback at 1920x1080?  Right now it is cpu bound (single threaded :-\)
[05:14] <kcormier> Or do you guys think the flash player is just hopeless?
[05:44] <rhpot1991> kcormier: mostly cpu there I think
[05:44] <rhpot1991> flash doesn't utilize GPU to offload, especially not in linux
[05:45] <rhpot1991> kcormier: that said I'd recommend a VDPAU capable card for anything myth related
[05:45] <rhpot1991> !vdpau | kcormier
[05:45] <Zinn> kcormier: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU
[10:28] <hot_wheelz> can anyone confirm there is a bug repoprt in for this error - More info to follow
[10:30] <hot_wheelz> after installing some updates and then clicking restart i get the following msg - reboot failed please restart manually
[10:30] <hot_wheelz> but the system reboots anyway
[10:31] <hot_wheelz> I will  test it on my laptop give me a min
[10:32] <hot_wheelz> Runnning ubutu 10.04 on laptop
[10:32] <hot_wheelz> back in a min
[10:39] <hot_wheelz> mmm..nope  didn't get the error in regular ubuntu 10.04
[10:39] <hot_wheelz> has anyone else seen this?
[11:41] <christip> Hi, after every boot of my mythbuntu 10.04 system I get the following error when trying to watch live tv: "Error: MythTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?". I use mythtv version 25409 (trunk) and a Hauppauge HVR 1900 (I use the analog input).
[11:42] <christip> To temporarily fix this issue I have to close mythfrontend, open mythbackend setup, go to the TV card section, delete the string "/dev/video0" and write exactly the same string in again. After rebooting the error occurs again. Does anybody know how to fix this problem?
[14:22] <mrand> christip: Have you tried just restarting the backend?
[15:08] <dewman> isnt there a banner that used to show up when you ssh into your mythbox?
[15:09] <dewman> I cant remember what that package was...
[15:16] <mrand> I don't know about the package.   Is there something in your /etc/motd?
[15:16] <rhpot1991> dewman: mythtv-status?
[15:16] <rhpot1991> or do you mean byobu?
[15:17] <dewman> mythtv-status, is that a package?
[15:19] <rhpot1991> john@unicron:~$ apt-cache search mythtv-status
[15:19] <rhpot1991> mythtv-status - Show the status of a MythTV backend
[15:21] <mrand> just execute mythtv-status from the command line
[15:24] <dewman> ok, well it says it depends on libmyth-perl but it wont be installed.
[15:24] <dewman> so....I will need to figure that problem out..
[15:26] <dewman> found it...
[15:26] <dewman> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/510215
[15:26] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #510215 in Mythbuntu: “Can't [re]install mythtv-status”
[15:29] <rhpot1991> dewman: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:33] <dewman> rhpot1991, Just did it.....Same thing....
[15:33] <rhpot1991> dewman: which version of ubuntu/mythbuntu?
[15:34] <rhpot1991> and are you running autobuilds?
[15:34] <dewman> yep, it appears in that bug report that I should have the testing repo turned on.
[15:35] <dewman> .23
[15:35] <dewman> 9.10
[15:35] <dewman> opps.. lacking the typing skills today.
[15:37] <rhpot1991> dewman: sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos
[15:37] <rhpot1991> and enable the testing ppa
[15:38] <rhpot1991> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mythtv-status
[15:39] <dewman> rhpot1991, I think that did it... =)
[15:40] <dewman> woohoo....It worked.
[15:40] <rhpot1991> dewman: great
[15:40] <dewman> Status..........: Thu Aug 5 2010, 10:39 AM
[15:40] <dewman> Total Disk Space: Total space is 1,078.1 GB, with 770.6 GB used (71.5%)
[15:40] <rhpot1991> you need more hard drives :)
[15:41] <dewman> I know.....
[15:41] <dewman> Actually I need to start watching shows...
[15:41] <rhpot1991> Total Disk Space: Total space is 3,192.3 GB, with 2,739.9 GB used (85.8%)
[15:41] <dewman> haha....So do you!
[15:41] <rhpot1991> and that doesn't include my 1TB external drive for videos :)
[15:42] <rhpot1991> sadly my backend can't hold any more drives though
[15:43] <dewman> yeah that brings up another sore item for me......I was toying with mytharchive for a little bit, but just couldnt get it to work correctly, so instead of archiving everything, I will just need to watch it...
[15:43] <dewman> I'm out of slots, ide channels, and sata channels.
[15:44] <dewman> so yes, bigger hd's are the main factor.
[15:47] <mrand> Total Disk Space.: Total space is 465.5 GB, with 439.4 GB used (94.4%)
[15:48] <mrand> *I* need more hard drives
[15:49] <rhpot1991> mrand: yes you do
[15:49] <rhpot1991> and some HD
[15:49] <dewman> wow.....
[15:50] <dewman> thats cutting it close..
[15:50] <mrand> That's my /var parition.
[15:52] <mrand> I should probably clean out some logs.  Myth sometimes goes mad-dog crazy.
[15:55] <Gibby> what is the default desktop? I am trying to use NX to remote in but can'
[15:55] <Gibby> t get any of the desktops to work except XFCE and it is all funky
[15:55] <mrand> Gibby: I'm typing to you right now on gnome via NX.
[15:55] <mrand> dewman: no, this is cutting it close: /dev/md0                 46601     34065     10130  78% /boot
[15:56] <Gibby> mrand: Wierd......
[15:57] <rhpot1991> NX plays well with gnome, not so much with xfce in my experience
[15:57] <dewman> mrand, yep
[15:57] <Gibby> mrand: If I select GNOME with NX for my mythbackend it just gives me a black screen... I have NX working on about 5 other servers with no problems
[15:57] <rhpot1991> I haven't used it in ages, but it used to spawn off all sorts of windows back then
[15:57] <rhpot1991> Gibby: mythbuntu uses xfce by default, ubuntu uses gnome
[15:58] <mrand> Gibby: I assume you've tried firing up a gnome session locally to make sure it's installed and working correctly?
[15:58] <kcormier1> crap.  i missed the first part of this convo.  was just planning on setting up nx today too
[15:58] <Gibby> well whatever the default is for the mythbuntu backend
[15:58] <rhpot1991> kcormier1: vnc
[15:58] <mrand> kcormier1: you didn't miss much... just that Gibby is having trouble.
[15:59] <Gibby> mrand: I am having all sorts of "server" issues this week at home and work errrrr
[15:59] <kcormier1> gotcha.  I'd rather nx as I can do it from outside my lan.  Sorry to hear Gibby.
[15:59] <Gibby> kcormier1: NX is usually easy and straight forward
[15:59] <rhpot1991> Gibby: I think you need to select xfce, but like I said last time I used NX it didn't play as well with xfce as it did with gnome
[16:00] <Gibby> rhpot1991: it doesn't give me all the options in XFCE, like network and crap
[16:00] <mrand> Gibby: I'd log into a gnome session on the backend locally to make sure gnome is running right.
[16:01] <Gibby> ugh, the server is in a rack already :(
[16:01] <rhpot1991> mrand: you are running ubuntu with mythtv packages and not mythbuntu then?
[16:01] <mrand> rhpot1991: correct.  But Gibby should be able to log out of the xfce session and then log in with a gnome session.
[16:02] <rhpot1991> mrand: I'm not so sure about that, I believe the gnome packages will not be installed
[16:02] <mrand> rhpot1991: that's my point ;-)
[16:04] <kcormier> are you using freenx from the repo or are you using the debs from nomachine?
[16:05] <rhpot1991> mrand: ya if he was running gnome NX would talk much better with it
[16:06] <Gibby> debs from nomachine
[16:06] <kcormier> how did you configure the client?
[16:06] <mrand> rhpot1991:  "ubuntu desktop" on mcc refers to gnome, doesn't it?
[16:07] <kcormier> when you configure the desktop, did you click settings to run a custom command?
[16:07] <kcormier> http://geekyprojects.com/general/manage-mythtv-remotely-with-nx/
[16:07] <Zinn> [geekyprojects.com]    Manage Your MythTV Box Remotely Using NX | geekyprojects.com
[16:08] <rhpot1991> mrand: I believe so
[16:09] <rhpot1991> what kcormier pasted looks very familiar
[16:09] <rhpot1991> it spawned off a bunch of windows every time I conneced though
[16:10] <rhpot1991> and thats when I went to vnc instead
[16:10] <kcormier> spawned off windows on your client or server?
[16:10] <rhpot1991> kcormier: client
[16:11] <mrand> I've never had that trouble
[16:11] <rhpot1991> this was quite some time ago too, so maybe its better now, who knows
[16:11] <mrand> But then again, I don't do xfce remotely
[16:11] <rhpot1991> mrand: only happened with xfce, not gnome
[16:16] <Gibby> i will test that in a second, trying to find how to launch vlc on my master for stream.... it was in my bash history but havn't used it in a couple weeks and it is gone :(
[16:19] <Gibby> it worked however, it is not "correct" missing alot in the top info bar
[16:20] <mrand> Gibby: mine goes a bit crazy on rare occasions and I have to shut it down and restart it.
[16:20] <mrand> You saying vnc worked or nx?
[16:21] <Gibby> NX
[16:21] <Gibby> what is the cli to launch the network gui?
[16:23] <mrand> Actually, now that I think about it, I haven't had trouble in many many months... probably after I upgraded versions.  If you just pulled the .deb though, that shouldn't be it.  Uhhh, not sure what you're referring to Gibby.
[16:24] <Gibby> mrand: usually on the top right you can click and change network options, like ip and dns and gateway but it is not there when I use NX, i know there is a cli i can use to launch it just don't remember what it is for buntu
[16:30] <mrand> Gibby: Ah, you mean the standard Ubuntu thing.  That icon has never shown up on a remote sessions for me.  nm-applet maybe?
[16:33] <Gibby> ugh
[16:35] <Gibby> had to kill it then restart it, thanks mrand
[16:35] <mrand> Gibby: gui version: I believe it may be sudo network-admin.
[16:38] <Gibby> mrand: sudo nm-applet worked
[17:18] <Gibby> damn, i need another server....... hmmmmmm
[17:18] <Zinn> Gibby: Please watch your language.
[18:10] <kees-jan> Hi
[18:10] <kees-jan> Has anyone packaged mythtv 0.23.1 yet?
[18:10] <superm1> yes
[18:10] <superm1> it's on the 0.23.1 PPA
[18:10] <superm1> i'm not sure if mythbuntu-repos  will offer it yet though
[18:10] <superm1> tgm4883 have you published a version to that will?
[18:11] <tgm4883> superm1, no
[18:11] <tgm4883> unless you want me to stop work on mythbuntu-bare :)
[18:11] <mrand> hah.  wasn't it just last week that tgm4883 swore that no more changes would be needed?
[18:11] <superm1> haha
[18:11] <superm1> yeah i think it was
[18:11] <tgm4883> !stab mrand
[18:11]  * Zinn stabs mrand with a rusty spork.
[18:11] <superm1> we showed him
[18:11] <mrand> lol
[18:11] <tgm4883> yea, don't remind me
[18:12] <superm1> kees-jan, you can manually enable the PPA if you want to
[18:12] <tgm4883> -repos will either A) always need to be touched
[18:12] <tgm4883> or B) we will need it to download a file during compile that will always need to be touched
[18:12] <superm1> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/0.23.1
[18:12] <Zinn> [edge.launchpad.net] 0.23.1 : “Mythbuntu Developers” team
[18:12] <mrand> tgm4883: I'm not scared of rusty sporks anymore... I just got my tetanus shot.  Iin prep for going to Taiwan.
[18:12] <tgm4883> should just need to replace the 0.23 with 0.23.1 in mythbuntu-repos.list
[18:12] <superm1> B is better
[18:13] <tgm4883> superm1, yes, B is better
[18:13] <tgm4883> and how I plan on doing it
[18:13] <superm1> especially if it happens during the autobuilds magic
[18:13] <tgm4883> i'm up against FF though with -bare
[18:13] <mrand> superm1: think it would hurt to wait one more week on the repo stuff?
[18:13] <tgm4883> so unless someone wants to work on -bare with me, patches are welcome :)
[18:14] <superm1> sorry i'm up my knees on ubiquity stuff atm
[18:14] <tgm4883> mrand, probably fine with waiting a week, but we need to get the final 0.23 build pushed
[18:15] <mrand> tgm4883: I wasn't considering it a feature, so I was figuring it could go in after FF.
[18:15] <tgm4883> yea it's a feature
[18:15] <mrand> hrm
[18:15] <tgm4883> i'm pretty sure anyway
[18:15] <tgm4883> superm1, ^
[18:15] <superm1> bare is
[18:15] <superm1> repos isn't
[18:15] <tgm4883> yea
[18:15] <mrand> That's what I meant.
[18:15] <tgm4883> cause it adds functionality
[18:16] <superm1> and based on the ubuntu-tweak discussion that's happening, i dont see us getting buy off still on the inclusion of something to enable PPAs so easily still
[18:16]  * mrand needs to read up on tweak vs. opportunistic-apps-stable-release
[18:17] <tgm4883> !stab opportunistic-apps-stable-release
[18:17]  * Zinn stabs opportunistic-apps-stable-release with a sharpened mce remote.
[18:27] <kees-jan> superm1: Just finished installing 0.23.1. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!