[00:23] guys, i'm at a friends trying to install 10.04, and it failed on the first partitioning step (says it failed to partition the ext4 file) what could be the problem, it will not go forward from here. this is a usb stick i'm using, but i do have an alt install in the car. [00:24] mikubuntu, Hey [00:25] mikubuntu, Can you pastebin /var/log/partman ? [00:26] hmmmm, i'm just running on the live disk right now [00:27] it still should make the log afaik [00:27] cody-somerville: i run xubuntu on a couple of my home machines, but this is ubuntu 10.04 i'm trying to install for him because he has the horsepower to run it, replacing xp [00:30] i can't find a file manager on the livecd menu [00:32] Hi, I have the last version of openoffice [00:32] and I have this bug/issue http://www.mail-archive.com/allbugs@openoffice.org/msg549589.html [00:32] that is fixed / solved in a new version [00:32] how can I upgrade to a new version if I already have the backports [00:34] mikubuntu: alt+f2 thunar [00:35] says :: The ext4 file system creation in partition #1 of Serial ATA RAID isw_bebjjhjaff_ARRAY (mirror) failed. [00:35] !raid [00:35] Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto [00:36] !openoffice :P [00:37] !openoffice [00:37] a free and open source office suite that includes word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components. To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". For (unofficial) repositories containing OpenOffice.org 3, see https://launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive/ppa. User help available in #openoffice.org. [00:37] yes, I know... [00:38] well_laid_lawn: I already have openoffice 3 [00:38] k :] [00:38] but I have a ugly bug that I can't create new sheet [00:39] a known bug? [00:39] or even rename a sheet [00:39] well_laid_lawn: yes, and it's fixed y the m82 version [00:39] and I have this bug/issue http://www.mail-archive.com/allbugs@openoffice.org/msg549589.html [00:40] ok, i have thunar open what's the file? /var/log/partman for some reason i go thru thunar from var to log to partman and when i click partman the app crashes shut [00:40] ii openoffice.org 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4.1 [00:41] mikubuntu: the install partitioner still open? [00:41] try the back button [00:42] well_laid_lawn: i aborted the install process .. tried several times to use the back button but then it would not go forward [00:43] De[V]oN: if you need the new version you'll have to get it yourself [00:43] I try the PPA reposity and anyway I have the it has the last version [00:44] well_laid_lawn: i do have an alt install disk, but i wont be able to be online if i try that, and maybe it will have the same problem? [00:44] well_laid_lawn: ok thanks that all I want to heard! and sorry for my bad english [00:44] mikubuntu: sounds like you'll have to abort the install to get to the log - can you do that [00:44] De[V]oN: you did fine with your english :] [00:44] well_laid_lawn: can you tell me path to it? [00:45] mikubuntu: not offhand [00:45] ps aux | grep install maybe [00:45] ps aux | grep instal maybe [00:46] mikubuntu: why don't you try to open the log file whit another program? [00:46] well_laid_lawn: this is output i get: ubuntu 10817 0.0 0.0 3320 804 pts/0 S+ 19:46 0:00 grep --color=auto install [00:47] De[V]oN: ok, i just need to know how :( [00:48] mikubuntu: thats the command you issued being found [00:48] mikubuntu: I you just want to read that log file try with less /var/log/partman [00:48] to quit use the q key [00:48] nice [00:48] sorry, if you want to... [00:48] worth a shot :] [00:49] well_laid_lawn: not sure i understand .. you mean command is :: less /var/log/partman ? [00:49] mikubuntu: I don't know if you can read that file being a normal user, maybe you have to add sudo at the beginning [00:50] mikubuntu: yes [00:50] try first with less /var/log/partman and if you can't read it try sudo less /var/log/partman [00:50] and you can move with the page down and page up keys [00:50] mikubuntu: what are you looking for? [00:53] and remember to quit use the q key ;) [00:54] strange when i run that i get an endless output i think its just repeating over and over, should i just paste a section of it? [00:55] mikubuntu: again, what are you looking for? [00:55] the file is being written to so that's what you're seeing [00:55] run top and see if the cpu is working hard [00:55] mikubuntu: if you want to read the last part try with tail instead of less [00:56] so should i paste just a section? [00:56] mikubuntu: and if you want to read that file while if being writing use tail -f /var/..... [00:56] oh, you're saying run with 'tail' it will go to the end? [00:56] I would try and stop it being written to [00:56] in top hit the k key to kill an app [00:57] so kill the terminal and open another? [00:57] mikubuntu: I don't know what are you looking for, I'm only helping to read that log file ;) [00:57] just hit q [00:57] the partitioner wouldn't make an ext4 filesystem [00:58] De[V]oN: looking for the file that well_laid_lawn wants to see [00:58] mikubuntu: read what well_laid_lawn is saying to you, it seams that know what is your problem [00:59] parted_server: Closing infifo and outfifo parted_server: main_loop: iteration 149 parted_server: Opening infifo /bin/partman-commit: IN: QUIT parted_server: Read command: QUIT parted_server: Quitting ubiquity: IN: PARTITIONS =dev=mapper=isw_bebjjhjaff_ARRAY [00:59] mikubuntu: ok so, use tail -f /var/log/partman and you are going to see only the last part (and while is be written) [00:59] mikubuntu: to exit now you have to use the combination of CTRL+c keys [00:59] well_laid_lawn: thats from the 'tail' [01:00] er what is? [01:00] parted_server: Closing infifo and outfifo parted_server: main_loop: iteration 149 parted_server: Opening infifo /bin/partman-commit: IN: QUIT parted_server: Read command: QUIT parted_server: Quitting ubiquity: IN: PARTITIONS =dev=mapper=isw_bebjjhjaff_ARRAY [01:00] k :] sorry [01:01] mikubuntu: it is having an issue with the raid setup - did you know it was using a raid setup? [01:01] !raid [01:01] well here is 9pm so I'm going to cook and have dinner ;) see you in a while if I can help [01:01] Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto [01:01] well_laid_lawn: nope [01:02] De[V]oN: thx [01:02] mikubuntu> says :: The ext4 file system creation in partition #1 of Serial ATA RAID isw_bebjjhjaff_ARRAY (mirror) failed. [01:02] yup [01:02] of Serial ATA RAID [01:02] !raid [01:02] !bot [01:03] Hi! I'm ubottu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins [01:08] well_laid_lawn: i lookd at the raid page, but i don't understand why the installer is giving me this problem, i've never seen it before on lots of installs [01:09] mikubuntu: could be anything from a less then ideal usb installer setup to ... [01:10] and it looks like raid is something you 'install' or configure, [01:10] I would try to kill the installer and read that log file - what does sudo fdisk -l return? [01:11] I know nothing about raid sorry :] [01:11] I don't even know if fdisk does raid... [01:12] well_laid_lawn: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/473324/ [01:12] k [01:13] that is the first usb installer i have made, and it is untested [01:14] looks like raid to me [01:14] mikubuntu: time to get the alt cd then I think [01:14] and like i said, i DO have an alternate installer on a cd that i could use, but i am worried to start an install and have to abort and leave him with NO SYSTEM [01:15] the usb is running fine live, its what i'm on right now talking to you [01:15] you could take out a disk... - like I said I know nothing about raid [01:15] how did raid come into the picture i wonder, because i have never had this issue before [01:16] maybe you never installed on a raid system before? [01:17] !info mdadm | mikubuntu [01:17] mikubuntu: mdadm (source: mdadm): tool to administer Linux MD arrays (software RAID). In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.7.1-1ubuntu15 (lucid), package size 231 kB, installed size 660 kB [01:17] you mean the raid system is set up on the target microsoft machine? [01:17] or is set in the bios [01:19] is that something microsoft 'support' might have altered in his bios to thwart os installs? [01:19] i'm a suspicious person ... they keep getting this guy for $100 and more a pop to 'fix' his machine [01:19] he's 94 years old [01:20] he has allowed them remote access many times [01:21] hi! can someone help me get my sound working? [01:21] i gotta go for now, thanks for all your help well_laid_lawn [01:21] I don't know - I would think it would be a hardware setup choice [01:21] mikubuntu: sorry we didn't get further for him [01:21] I have no clue what to do? [01:22] I feel that way too sometimes... [01:22] just upgraded from 9.10 [01:22] woot [01:22] thx again [01:23] with 9.10 it worked just fine, but not with 10.04? [01:24] what can I do? [01:28] ya all sleeping here? [01:28] I was making coffee :] [01:28] hehe:) [01:28] what does aplay -l return in terminaql [01:28] why did you say that, now I gotto make some to:) [01:29] or in terminal even... [01:29] you know Im a total noob with this thing [01:29] I can install the restricted extras but thats about it [01:29] everyone was a noob once [01:30] it is a practise thing [01:30] yeah I guess [01:30] same as using windows is [01:30] it say list of playback hardware [01:31] card 0 ICH5 [intel ICH5] [01:32] whatever that means? but it seems I got a soundcard, hehe:) [01:32] does aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Font_Center.wav do anything? [01:33] !tab [01:33] You can use your key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line. [01:33] it say the dir or file not exist [01:34] ok thanks ubotto [01:34] use the tab key to autocomplete the filename - so type aplay /u and hit the tab key [01:35] same result [01:36] you can't tab to a file that doesn't exist [01:37] I see the file [01:37] so you need to type the path in right [01:37] capitals are important [01:37] yes Im inteh alsa dif now [01:37] dir [01:37] hit tab button twice then [01:38] but its called Front_Center.wav [01:38] not Font:) [01:38] oops my bad - I did mean to type Front [01:39] I just did audacious Front_Center.wav [01:39] the audacious pos up and play it but not sound comeing from my speaker? [01:40] sorry, I mean it pops up [01:40] audacious is very diff then aplay - aplay comes from alsa and it is alsa that sets the sound up [01:41] ok, will try aplay then [01:42] aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav it should have been [01:43] yes it say it playing it [01:43] but I hear no sound [01:43] k [01:43] strange huh? [01:44] try cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp - be careful it is loud - ctrl+c to kill it [01:45] ok wait [01:46] no sound [01:47] I've got an ich5 on the pvr - one sec [01:48] ok:) [01:49] can you paste the file /etc/asound.state ? [01:49] !paste [01:49] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [01:49] ok I try [01:50] and if you run the sound through external speakers make sure they're on :] [01:51] sure, Im not that dumb :) [01:51] heh [01:51] lol [01:52] man, I dont have that file? [01:52] Im in the etc dir now, don't see it [01:53] is there an alsa folder? [01:53] nope [01:54] I know I should have that:O [01:54] any other sound cards in the system? [01:55] no I only have the one intergrated in my mobo [01:55] no tv card or similar? [01:55] no nothing [01:55] k [01:55] I have 2 controllercards? [01:56] what does sudo service alsa restart return? [01:56] alsa: unrecognized service [01:58] maybe the driver for the ich5 is not installed? [02:00] lsmod | grep snd will tell [02:00] ok [02:01] I pasted it in that website [02:01] it will have a diff url [02:02] snd_intel8x0 25588 6 [02:02] snd_ac97_codec 100646 1 snd_intel8x0 [02:02] ac97_bus 1002 1 snd_ac97_codec [02:02] snd_pcm_oss 35308 0 [02:02] snd_mixer_oss 13746 3 snd_pcm_oss [02:02] snd_pcm 70662 3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97 [02:02] k [02:02] snd_seq_dummy 1338 0 [02:02] snd_seq_oss 26726 0 [02:02] snd_seq_midi 4557 0 [02:02] snd_rawmidi 19056 1 snd_seq_midi [02:02] snd_seq_midi_event 6003 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi [02:02] snd_seq 47263 6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_m [02:02] you'll get kicked [02:02] idi_event [02:02] snd_timer 19098 2 snd_pcm,snd_seq [02:02] snd_seq_device 5700 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmi [02:03] di,snd_seq [02:03] snd 54148 18 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mix [02:03] er_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device [02:03] soundcore 6620 3 snd [02:03] snd_page_alloc 7076 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm [02:03] thats all:) [02:03] what is say? [02:04] the first line was enough [02:04] the modules are there [02:04] ok, sorry [02:04] this is so wierd :/ [02:04] !intelhda [02:04] For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto [02:04] might have a clue [02:05] ok I will have a look [02:09] thanks anyway:) [02:10] np :] === travis is now known as Guest11331 [02:17] anybody have problems with webkit based browsers crashing? === travis is now known as Guest88579 [03:15] Good night, yesterday I received a lot of help to fix a problem with my screen, it's a notebook Toshiba Satellite M35X, when I start the laptop in normal mode, the screen goes black. I applied some of the instructions I received yesterday but the problem persists. I need to know how to configure the screen manually to fix this issue, the system only starts in recovery mode... [03:42] sorry the light went off... I'm back to see if somebody can help me [03:55] Good night, yesterday I received a lot of help to fix a problem with my screen, it's a notebook Toshiba Satellite M35X, when I start the laptop in normal mode, the screen goes black. I applied some of the instructions I received yesterday but the problem persists. I need to know how to configure the screen manually to fix this issue, the system only starts in recovery mode... [04:58] I don't have audio either, it looks like a driver problem... ¿are there drivers in Linux? [05:22] Please ¿is there in the chat room somebody who can help me??... [05:23] the drivers for sound card should generally be built into the kernel [05:25] Thank you for answering, ¿how do I know if they are there?? ¿may I see if the drivers for the screen are there too? [05:27] `modprobe -l' would show all the available modules regardless if they are suitable with your machine's configuration or not.. then there's `lspci -k' which will show you what chipsets you have that's visible to linux kernel on pci level bus (i.e. non USB) followed by kernel modules in use and available modules (if any) [05:29] Thank you I'll take a look... and tell you what I found... ¿Ok? [05:30] maybe, but if you're going to paste, use pastebin [05:38] Ok... I will paste only the ones dealing with audio or vga there are 999 lines of output for the first order I'll look for those lines only and ask about the ones I think that could be useful [05:59] lspci -k output is 46 lines this one appears when I look for "audio" : 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03 [06:06] sorry I had to restart... [06:09] can you read above?? or do I paste th result again?? [06:13] that paste was missing kernel modules [06:18] Ok I'll see again... be patient please I'm really new in this ... before I restarted I was trapped in a "man" page... wondering how to go back to the screen with a prompt... and looking the documentation ... there appear a lot of information about man pages but not on how to go back to the terminal screen :( [06:22] to get out of man pages you press q [06:23] man man tells that :] [06:29] 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)Kernel modules: snd-intel8x0 [06:31] thank u well_laid_lawn and psycho_oeros I'll surely remember that when I'm trapped again... hehe ... q for "quit" ¿isn't it? [06:31] yep :] [06:33] so it seems like there is a driver available, it might be muted [06:34] :-) it's easier for Spanish speakers like me when we know some English and we make the association with the English words composing the command :-) [06:35] you mean muted in the volume control ?? [06:36] or in alsamixer in terminal [06:37] sup playaz [06:38] there's #ubuntu-es channel [06:38] !en | tehC0unt [06:38] tehC0unt: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat [06:38] there's an icon like a speaker, it says "mixer" (mezclador in Spanish) [06:38] haha are you guys kidding [06:38] i was just messing around [06:39] eduardo, there's #ubuntu-es [06:39] guess ill leave [06:41] eduardo@NOTEBOOKEDUARDO:~$ alsamixer "no se puede abrir el mezclador: No existe el archivo o directorio" can't open the mixer: there is no directory [06:42] try sudo [06:44] I'm a translator and interpreter English - Spanish and my Specialty is computing... I rather to deal with this things in English, many translations I have found look like being done by automatic translators... hehe [06:45] same output, "no directory" [06:45] apt-get alsamixer?? [06:46] try which alsamixer [06:50] /usr/bin/alsamixer [06:51] so you have it already [06:51] in terminal what does aplay -l return? [06:52] seemingly... but it answers "no file or directory" [06:55] ok - in terminal lsmod | grep snd - there will be lots hopefully if the first says intel that's fine [06:55] may be it was not installed completely... sometimes my connection fails in the middle of an "upgrade" [06:57] snd_intel8x0 25588 0 [06:58] snd_ac97_codec 100646 1 snd_intel8x0 [07:01] http://paste.ubuntu.com/473399/ [07:03] the first line is all that is needed :] [07:05] try in terminal cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp - watch out it is loud - ctrl+c to stop it [07:05] ok [07:09] permission denied even with sudo first [07:09] in terminal do groups and see if audio is listed [07:12] ok [07:13] eduardo adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare [07:13] no video or audio in there [07:14] so I should add that?? [07:15] yep [07:15] I would do user -G video,audio [07:15] I would do useradd -G video,audio [07:15] eduardo: ^^ [07:16] with sudo of course since it is a system setting [07:16] with sudo first I suppose? [07:16] hehe I was writing... [07:16] :] [07:17] then run groups again to check [07:17] * [07:19] oops - you have to log out and back in for it to take effect [07:19] eduardo: ^^ [07:21] it answered with a "man" about the use of useradd [07:21] :] k - one min [07:23] useradd [options] USER [07:23] sudo useradd -G video,audio eduardo [07:24] so it would be sudo useradd audio,video eduardo or sudo useradd [audio,video] eduardo [07:25] sudo useradd -G video,audio eduardo [07:25] ok [07:25] there's a -G in there to say add to groups === nikolam_ is now known as nikolam [07:26] oops "the user eduardo already exists" [07:29] k [07:34] eduardo: try sudo usermod -a -G video,audio eduardo [07:35] ok [07:36] done ... back to the prompt without comments... did it worked then?? [07:37] why your name appears in red sometimes?? [07:37] doesn't yours? [07:38] it is 'cause I used your nick eduardo [07:38] :] [07:38] !nick [07:38] Your nick is how people know you on IRC. Please don't change your nicknames too often (use /nick newnick), or it creates a lot of confusion. You should also !register your nick with Freenode. [07:41] uff there's so much to learn... [07:43] well I'm using the name of the owner of the laptop, my name is Patricio hehe [07:44] heh [07:46] should I restart the laptop before I do "groups" again?? it still gives me the same output than before [07:48] or just logout [07:54] Ok thank you I hope now it will work, ¿how do I register my nick in Freenode? (This time my name Patricio, and I'm won't change it again) [08:01] eduardo: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration [08:30] I have a Launchpad account ¿is it valid as a registration? [08:31] not for in here - you need freenode registration [08:31] but you don't have to register [08:31] ¿why not? [08:32] if you register someone else can't use your nick [08:32] if you don't they can === well_laid_lawn is now known as eduardo [08:33] see :] === eduardo is now known as well_laid_lawn [08:37] I see... I have Joined a group of xubuntu users... https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-users [08:39] great - how did the sound go? === manbra is now known as drnilbrA === drnilbrA is now known as drunlbra [08:45] I'm going to restart now but before I'm going to save the chat in a text file in order to post the "solution" if it works out... there ae many questions about this topic in the forums, but none of those answers worked... and I will translate it too to help Spanish speaking users... [08:49] Bye I'll be back to give you feedback about the results... [08:49] luck [08:49] thanks a lot [09:22] Hi. I have setup to autoimport photos from camera, that works great. However, I get asked if I want to import from SD card every time I turn on the printer-scanner as it has a SD card inside. Is there a way to remove this question? I only want to import fram cameras automatically [09:22] !nick well_laid_lawn Bad luck with the final result but one more step close to the solution, now I have the permissions at least hehe [09:22] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [09:27] tomorrow I will try again the other instructions you gave me... thanks to your help I'm every time closer to solve this issue... thank you very much... now I'm going to sleep here in Chile is very late... 4:26 a.m. ... bye === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === drunlbra is now known as manbra [13:40] cat *billion_fs.JPG > many_fs.JPGs <--- how do you sort them? [13:40] heoa: what? [13:41] TheSheep: concatenated file with JPG-files. How do you separate them back to JPG-files? [13:46] heoa: you can write a short program that will look for the jpeg headers and split on them... [13:50] TheSheep: or I will just us "$ tar -cvf *.JPG" and then "$tar -xvf *.JPG", sounds less reinventing the wheel [13:50] err -xvf *.tar [13:56] definitely [13:56] and you also save the names [13:59] morning [14:00] is there a way to set the panels to default? [14:01] nexus6__: what do you mean? === sagarc is now known as sagarchalise [14:59] awesome, i have no xorg.conf to modify to turn off the bloody touchpad while i type [15:00] pteague_work: why do you need to modify the xoeg.conf for that? [15:01] pteague_work: and you can just create it [15:01] (just be careful not to make typos like me ;) ) [15:02] from various articles i'm looking at for turning the touchpad off it says i need to edit the xorg.conf & find the section for synaptics touchpad & then add `Option "SHMConfig" "on"` [15:03] how can i alter the "ctime" with touch? "$ touch -d '2010-08-06'" but no apparent relation to "$ find . -ctime +/-$NUMBER" [15:04] touch -t yyyymmddhhii.ss ? [15:05] it changes the last modified time, but i'm not sure if it updates the node information [15:14] pteague_work: easy to check "$ ls -lc", no change to ctime [15:15] ctime is the node modified time right? [15:15] or creation time? [15:16] aha, found something i could do without needing xorg.conf... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad [15:16] pteague_work: yes, cretion time that seems to depend on fs, so some hardlinks may need mods [15:21] touch i think only modifies the filestamp which does update the mtime to the time that you modified the file >.< there may be some fs tool that let's you modified c/mtime, but i'm not sure what would work [15:38] pteague_work: read 'man touch' -> mtime, atiome are selectable by options [15:52] why is the xubuntu channel so empty? [15:53] ubuntu 1600, xubuntu 70 [15:53] That's about the same ratio as the user ratio I'd say [15:53] Because Xubuntu has fewer users [15:54] We could use help increasing the user number, though. [15:54] Let people know this is a good alternative to use! [15:54] i am a ubuntu beginner... but does ubuntu and xubuntu really differs that much? [15:54] um, "this" = "Xubuntu" [15:55] Ubuntu uses Gnome, Xubuntu uses Xfce, so yes, as far as the actual "what you see", it does [15:55] for the newbie it looks like only the GUI system is a different [15:56] Behind the scenes, we are much lighter, too. Xubuntu uses fewer resources than Ubuntu does. [15:56] i heared abount lubuntu [15:56] did you try that? [15:56] We also use different applications than Ubuntu [15:57] you mean the standard apps right? because in the software center i can dowload the same apps like on ubuntu [15:57] mmoebius, really? i just scanned it & didn't see that, but kind of busy at work ;) [15:57] Ubuntu has OpenOffice, Rythmbox. Xubuntu has Abiword, Gnumeric, Exaile [15:58] Yes, you can add the same apps, but the default apps are not the same [15:58] I have not tried Lubuntu [15:58] ah, --time=(access|atime|use) [16:05] i use xp most of the time [16:05] windows xp [16:07] and actual i try to figure out myself if xubuntu can beat windows xp on performance === siavashserver is now known as gunsheep [17:26] khm. how to prevent applications from stealing window focus while typing? [17:29]