[01:19] Hello? [01:20] Hello? [01:20] :) [01:20] I'm considering installing Ubuntu.... but I have a bit of a problems. [01:20] Several problems, actually.... [01:20] What's wrong? [01:20] Is it possible to do a "Stranger in a Strange Land" installation — i.e. install Ubuntu on a PowerPC? [01:21] I think so... [01:21] That's the first problem. [01:21] The second's a real doozy. [01:22] Installing Ubuntu on a HFS+ drive, under the aforementioned circumstances. (Note: I tried to partition the drive already, but it's not feasible; otherwise, I wouldn't bring this up.) [01:22] One second... [01:22] SoItBegins, it will partition it for you [01:22] Uh, nonono. I've got files on the drive.... it can't partition it. [01:23] Well, unless it can do a partition-without-erasing. [01:23] Yes it can. [01:23] it can ;) [01:23] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/lucid/release/ << PowerPC arch [01:23] Rephrasing: Is it possible to get it to run on what I've got, without (re)partitioning the drive in any way? [01:23] Ummm, why? [01:24] Because, the files on the aforementioned drive are not backed up anywhere. And I was under the impression that a part of the partition process is the erasure of the drive about to undergo partitioning. [01:24] You can partition it into two drives [01:25] One that has your old files [01:25] SoItBegins, partitioning does not over write data [01:25] Without erasing. [01:25] And another with Ubuntu [01:25] Well, then why when I go to Disk Utility in Mac OS X does it not offer that option.... ?! [01:25] and if data is not over written it can be recovered, see tools such as testdisk or photorec [01:25] Yes, partitioning simply moves sectors of the hard drive [01:25] Bwahaha. Because it doesn't expect you to install something else [01:26] So, if I boot from the CD image you've given, allowing it to partition the external drive in question (it's a FireWire external) will not destroy the data. [01:27] Just to confirm. [01:27] Yes, if you allow it to make two partitions [01:27] SoItBegins, what are you wanting to do ? [01:27] sounds as if you should probably back up your data as a first step [01:27] Okay. I have an external FireWire hard drive, with plenty of free space. [01:28] Ok [01:28] I came up with the idea of installing Linux there. [01:28] Use gparted, on the live CD to resize the partitino [01:28] data loss is extremely rare, but it can happen [01:28] Um.... that's the thing. The entire drive is formatted as HFS+. [01:28] I'd resize the existing partition if there was one to resize. [01:28] http://gparted.sourceforge.net/docs/help-manual/C/gparted.html [01:29] Maybe I'd just borrow some space on the nearest computer for backup. [01:29] Er, maybe I'd better. [01:30] SoItBegins, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89960 [01:30] @All: Thanks for all of your help, by the way. [01:30] If you do not back up your data, your data must not be all that important to you [01:30] All hard ware will eventually fail [01:31] My wife keeps learning this lesson over and over [01:31] No, it's just that the data is so large that I have to store it on an external (it's DVDs and such). My other external serves as the backup for my computer itself. [01:31] And I can't afford another external at this time. :( [01:31] I can not tell you have many times she has lost data, despite the fact that she has a NFS share availabe 24/7 for backups [01:32] SoItBegins, well, burn the data to DVD then =) [01:32] dude i wiped a freaking thumb drive with my gpg key...... [01:32] Storage is not that expensive, both internal and external [01:32] * robbmunson cries [01:34] I'll hunt around for a computer with a double-layer DVD burner and back up my data to DVDs. Thanks for the tip. [01:35] double layer DVD are extreemly expensive , more then 2x a single layer DVD [01:36] so it is less expensive to use single layer [01:36] I know :( But the data in question is images of DVDs.... double-layer DVDs. [01:36] by far (last time I looked mind you). [01:36] So I'm kinda stuck with that. [01:36] Break the image into more manageable chunks [01:36] Not a bad idea. [01:36] =) [01:37] Maybe I'll just buy another external HD and set up a RAID. [01:38] That would be more.... permanent. [01:38] Price the cost of DVD, then decide [01:38] Yeah. [01:38] For now, I think I'll borrow backup space, install Ubuntu, then figure out what to do next. [01:39] "install ubuntu" now theres a plan ;) [01:39] Yep. :D [01:39] Oh! One other question. [01:40] If a program is written for Ubuntu, will the arch of my computer (PPC) matter when the time comes for me to try to run it? [01:40] you mean 32vs64 bit? [01:41] No, x86 vs PowerPC. [01:42] hrm, if you install x86 (32) than you will only end up using compatible apps from the repos [01:42] (not sure if thats what you were asking) [01:43] No, I'm using a PowerPC. So, I'm installing a PowerPC blend of Ubuntu. But I also need to take PowerPC-ness into consideration when picking apps, right? [01:43] hrm, i dunno [01:44] JoeMaverickSett: welcome back [01:45] hey! stlsaint. [01:45] morning! [01:45] JoeMaverickSett: evening for me! (remember) :) [01:46] * bodhizazen off to compile icecat =) [01:46] boooooo [01:46] stlsaint, oh yeah! evening, dude. [01:46] SoItBegins, google ubuntu install PowerPC [01:46] Okay. Thanks. [01:46] bodhizazen, are you a buddhist? [01:48] JoeMaverickSett: ever hear of Zenix? [01:48] stlsaint, saw it a few days ago. [01:49] it's another OS, right? with Zen energy in it. =D [01:49] JoeMaverickSett: lol...http://zenix-os.net/ [01:49] ZENIX! [01:49] JoeMaverickSett: bodhi made it :) [01:50] JoeMaverickSett: check it out [01:50] paultag: :) [01:50] stlsaint, alright. [01:50] zenix rocks :) [01:51] Thanks for the help. Adios amigos! [01:51] it's true. [01:51] SoItBegins: cheerz [01:51] i like the terminal on Zenix. [01:54] Zenix? [01:54] Oh [01:55] st33med: yea ZENIX!! :P [02:00] asterismo: sup [02:02] JoeMaverickSett, Yes [02:03] tssap stlsaint [02:03] paultag, !!! [02:03] bodhizazen!!! [02:03] reading a few posts through liferea [02:03] bodhizazen, alright. i just say Zenix. and I'm a buddhist too. [02:03] bodhizazen: I'm doing good things right now [02:03] bodhizazen: I'm modifying Fluxbox so that we can make a zenix build for it really easy [02:04] JoeMaverickSett, That reminds me, I need to start working on Zenix =) [02:04] bodhizazen: I've got it working ( I just rebooted to check ) [02:04] bodhizazen: just need to set defaults and I'm uploading. Testbed is in ppa:paultag/fluxbox [02:05] bodhizazen: hehe i was just going to ask ya about its status :D [02:05] bodhizazen, oh! cool! i like the terminal very much. ;) [02:05] stlsaint, Honestly, I had issues with Ubuntu 10.04, it was not so stable =) [02:05] really? [02:05] bodhizazen: can we move to debian squeeze [02:05] It is easier to upgrade Zenix to 10.04 [02:05] bodhizazen: can we? [02:05] bodhizazen: can we? [02:05] A [02:05] bodhizazen: can we? [02:05] paultag: NO! :P [02:05] stlsaint: now you stawp it [02:06] paultag, I would not mind that, the problem with Debian, it is cutting edge now, but soon enough the packages will be old [02:06] bodhizazen: that's why we pull from testing [02:13] I was thinking Fedora, but that suggestion went over like a Led Zeppelin [02:14] bodhizazen: LOL [02:15] bodhizazen: i just cant seem to shake fedora, installed and removed like 3 times in past two weeks [02:15] bodhizazen: constantntly calling me back it === [-slidinghorn-] is now known as slidinghorn [02:37] hi there :) is this a place a new ubuntu linux user can get help? [02:37] laura: sure is, but i'll be in and out. Someone here can help, though :) [02:37] we're all nice [02:37] thank you :) [02:39] i installed ubuntu last week and am trying to get adventurous and install some games but i'm having trouble. this is all very new to me as i've been a windows user for a long time. i followed the install directions (command line) and typed ./configure like it said but it says i need gtk+2 [02:39] hahaha [02:39] laura: you're doing this super hard :) [02:39] laura: what game is it? [02:40] gnome-games-2.30.2 (i found it on a website) [02:40] laura: Why not browse what games you can get at easy? [02:40] laura: go to applications --> software store [02:40] laura: and you can browse applications ( like an iPod or Android phone ) that you can install with a click [02:40] laura: you should not have to browse the web for a .exe anymore! [02:41] is that the same thing as Applications, Ubuntu Software Center ? [02:41] That's the one! [02:42] OMG it is there! (soooo embarrassed) thank you so much [02:42] laura: Oh no problem! [02:42] laura: it's what we're here for [02:42] laura: you were trying to get the source code and compile it [02:42] i will install it from there.. but i do want to learn how to install stuff from the source code command line like that eventually [02:42] laura: it's fun for people like me who enjoy that stuff for fun, but it's a lot easier to check the repos ( the store ) [02:42] laura: Oh sure, we can help you learn how to do that [02:43] laura: you just have to have the development headers ( -dev ) packages for the stuff it needs [02:43] i like doing stuff the techie way :) i like being a know-it-all lol [02:43] laura: haha, aye, well we can help :) [02:44] well , for now i just want to get used to the linux thing a little more, then get into the more techie side. linux has come a long way since i tried it last (debian about 10 years ago but it was very difficult and i got frustrated with it and went back to microcrap) [02:44] i love the improvements in gui [02:44] laura, if you wish ... [02:44] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware [02:44] It is not *too* hard [02:45] but IMO if a package is available in the repos, stay with that [02:45] ok :) thank you. i'm sure i'll be back because i tend to be adventurous and i'll get myself into trouble somehow later. bye for now [02:45] we work hard on making them work right [02:46] laura: cheerio [02:48] I was going to mention that I am compiling icecat (basically firefox) now, lol [02:48] haha [02:48] * paultag is doing fluxbox [02:48] doing an Ubuntu build for my ppa [02:50] putting it in the PPA now [02:50] it's a Debian branded Ubuntu build, hahaha [02:51] That sums up all of Ubuntu paultag [02:51] Uploaded with success \o/ [02:51] =) [02:52] Oh shit. I forgot to make it ~ppa1 [02:52] Oh no. That's not good [02:52] LOL [02:52] Crap [02:52] I forgot how long it takes to compile firefox [02:53] haha yeah [02:53] bodhizazen: I did a few builds with ICC. Not pretty [02:53] let it build, then I think you can delete it [02:53] ICC ? [02:53] bodhizazen: Intel C Compiler [02:53] bodhizazen: it has a HUGE speedup from gcc, but builds are not free and to make builds free is a pretty hefty cost [02:54] bodhizazen: ( make bins for yourself without issue, but don't give them away without giving us moneys ) [02:54] OIC [02:55] bodhizazen: sdennie and I did an LFS build with ICC [02:55] it was pretty awesome [02:55] I bet it was =) [02:56] back to swearing [02:56] oh bodhizazen, did you see my screenie? [02:56] yes [02:56] very black =) [02:57] mmhum! [03:14] um i cant seam to run any exe stuff from cds or even when i dl from the wed on ubunto im useing the 10.04version, what do i do? [03:15] hello? [03:15] is any1 here? [03:16] sup [03:16] hatfield: have you tried using wine? [03:16] whats that? [03:16] and where do i get it? [03:17] sure is quite for a room that has 50+ ppl in it [03:17] hatfield: http://wiki.winehq.org/ [03:18] hatfield: see here to get wine: http://www.winehq.org/download/deb [03:18] hatfield: you new to ubuntu? [03:18] yes [03:18] Welcome :D [03:18] um where on that 1st site is the dl at? [03:19] hatfield: you must add the repo to your sources.list and update then install [03:19] hatfield: that second link i posted explains what to do [03:19] hatfield: wine is what allows you to use some windows apps under ubuntu [03:20] hmm k ill try it brb [03:20] um i dont see the dl on that 1st page, wine wiki [03:21] hatfield: i know, thats why i posted the second link :D [03:21] its on that 1? [03:21] hatfield: as stated above the second link is what shows how to install wine [03:22] um ....i need to add it to my 3rd party list from a dl dont i? [03:23] hatfield, you are almost certainly better off either finding a Linux native solution or running Windows in Virtualbox [03:23] hatfield: first add the repository [03:23] wine works well for simple applications, but not every .exe will run well in wine [03:23] and to run wine you need to understand a ton about both Linux and Windows I am afraid =) [03:24] what are you wanting to run exactly ? [03:24] ok but i cant figure how to get it when i fallow those things i only have 2 in the list and none say wine [03:24] um antivirus cd, driver from cd for printer (lexmark z1300) [03:24] and um 1 other disk [03:25] hatfield: your wanting to put antivirus on linux? [03:25] idk i lost my windows vista useing a roung backup emachines disk and i didnt have the right 1 or any os left [03:25] so i got this ubuntu for her pc but ugh its such a hassle [03:26] hatfield: ok, well linux is completely different in its package management than windows [03:26] ok [03:26] hatfield: in windows you go google a package download the exe and double click to install [03:26] ya [03:26] hatfield: ubuntu uses repositorys to house packages [03:26] hatfield: open your synaptic package manager [03:27] so um i put my exes in wine to use em [03:27] that gets back to , what do you need to install ? [03:27] but to get wine... [03:27] Ubuntu (Linux) is not a drop in replacement for Windows [03:27] what application do you need ? [03:27] driver software of my disk for um my lexmark [03:27] Again, wine may or may not run your .exe, depends on what they are [03:28] and my printer number doesnt mach any of the defualt drivers [03:28] driver for what , a printer ? [03:28] hatfield: have you tried plugging the printer up to your system running linux yet? [03:28] that is not how to install printers in Linux [03:28] ya [03:28] it sees the printer [03:28] but when i try to set it up [03:28] its not in the list [03:29] google your printer name + Ubuntu [03:29] i miss vindows vista but i dont think i can get that free [03:29] i tryed that too [03:29] it wasnt much help [03:29] and ? [03:29] what printer [03:29] usaly any time i put ubunto with anything else in a search [03:29] its like 0 results [03:30] hatfield: lol, i beg to differ [03:30] any ways to bootleg some vista or windows 7 free? [03:30] hatfield: ubuntu is one of the most well documented (anything) ive ever seen [03:30] =/ [03:30] hatfield: thats not what this channel is for [03:30] here is a thread on the Ubuntu forums [03:30] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49714 [03:31] hatfield, http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+lexmark+printer&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.gnu.gnuzilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a [03:31] ugh i fell like dieing, cant even get a simple printer on unbunto [03:31] on windows u put the cd in and bam [03:31] done [03:32] ? [03:32] hatfield, detailed instructions here [03:32] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters/LexmarkPrinters [03:32] You still have not told us what printer you have [03:33] z1300 [03:33] ive said it twice [03:33] and its not on that list ither [03:33] and its like over a year old [03:33] u think it wouldnt b too new [03:33] =/ [03:34] Not sure about that printer, it is not listed [03:34] see? =s [03:35] also was gonna put trend micro antivirus on here [03:35] It may not be compatible with Linux, IDK [03:35] cuss my grama is used to every pc haveing atnivirus even tho i read somewhere it said i probly dont need it [03:35] you do not need antivirus, there are no known acive viruses for linus [03:35] *linux [03:35] Linux is not Windows [03:35] no viruses, spyware ect? [03:36] does the firewall handle all problems like that? [03:36] I have not seen viruses or spyware ever [03:36] You do not really need a firewall either [03:36] See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=510812 [03:36] i fell so vulrable w/o something like that [03:36] but ok [03:36] Linux is not windows [03:37] In windows there are several listening services, both documented and undocumented, so you need a firewall [03:37] In Ubuntu, there are not signifigant listening server by default, so, no need for a firewall [03:37] so i cant put this printer on? =S should i use my ancint 1 with dust? [03:38] maybe unbuntu should atleast have that right? [03:38] IDK, you will need to follow that wiki page and see if it works or not [03:38] it used to print only half the pages [03:38] Ubuntu does not have anything to do with your printer, ask Lexmark for the driver [03:39] um so ur saying if i surf wiki long enough [03:39] ill find anything printer and exe related? [03:39] you will need to read the wiki page and follow the instructions [03:39] "surfing" it will not work [03:39] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters/LexmarkPrinters [03:39] so look at wine wiki [03:39] kk [03:40] Wine will not help you [03:40] You do not install the drivers by running the windows .exe [03:40] hatfield: look at the exact wiki page bodhizazen just provided. [03:41] hatfield, Linux is not windows, and Ubuntu is not a drop in replacement for Windows, you will need to learn some new tricks [03:45] hatfield, unfortunately the wiki page for the Lexmark printer is not the best, it has no information on your printer, nor does it have information for Ubuntu 10.04 [03:45] so you may be out of luck with that printer [03:45] You may need to find a Linux compatible printer =) [03:54] hello bodhizazen [03:54] duanedesign: hey didnt you have a post on backing up installed programs on your blog? [03:54] hello stlsaint [03:55] yes [03:55] duanedesign: no time for greetings :P [03:55] duanedesign: work work work [03:55] duanedesign: you mind sharing that link [03:55] http://okiebuntu.homelinux.com/blog/?p=96 [03:56] 'lo duanedesign [03:57] duanedesign: that method requires internet to restore packages right? [03:58] yeah it just saves the dpkg selections [03:58] i c [03:59] also in newer versions of Ubuntu additional repo info is saved in /etc/apt/sources.list.d [04:00] yep yep [04:00] learned that :D === slidinghorn is now known as [-slidinghorn-] === [-slidinghorn-] is now known as slidinghorn === slidinghorn is now known as [-slidinghorn-] [07:01] The last few kernel releases have disabled my wireless. Now because of the new release today, the last one that worked has rolled off of grub. Any way to get it back? [13:02] I have researched my topic even more and after seeing a different wording to my post I found it seems a bug that is recorded already, but mostly for karmic. I am usin lucid though. [13:05] I updated my alsa yesterday to the latest (.23) [13:05] and anyway my bug or whatever it is is that the mic is stuttering(the externeal one) [13:07] morri: hello. Having issues with your microphone? [13:07] yes [13:07] it has a stuttering input [13:08] and I havent yet found a way to solve this [13:08] I have heard it might have something to do with pulse audio [13:09] but that was mostly in post about previous distros [13:10] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/354620 [13:10] Ubuntu bug 354620 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Recording from microphone stutters when pulseaudio is running (affects: 24) (dups: 2) (heat: 143)" [High,Fix committed] [13:13] morri: what do you get from the following command: [13:13] cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec [13:13] no such fuile or directory [13:15] morri: ok try: head -n 1 /proc/asound/card0/codec* [13:16] head: error reading `/proc/asound/card0/codec97#0': Is a directory [13:19] morri: ok how about: lspci | grep Audio [13:20] 00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 02) [13:27] morri: this might help us get past one of those errors. Can you try this command: head -n 3 /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0 [13:28] ok , 0-0/0: Analog Devices AD1981B PCI Subsys Vendor: 0x0000 [13:44] i am not finding too much on that issue for a AD1981B. Might watch the cpu usage and make sure you are not runnin out of processing power [13:48] I have Lucid and XP dual boot on seperate HDs. I added a third drive that has Lucid already installed. Fdisk shows it. If I do an update-grub will that give me 3 OS ? === starcraft is now known as starcraftman [13:50] i have 2.8 ghz processor [13:54] when i record something it runs around 50 % CPU usage [13:56] while running the the browser windows as well [13:56] (tabs)# [14:00] and skype running in the background too [14:04] I did this which is described in the bug describtion that i showed earlier [14:04] and it did work for skype , it doesnt stutter there any more [14:04] but would i need the same thing for sound recorder? [14:04] because it only resolved the stuttering in skype but not the general one [14:05] "/bin/sh -c "PULSE_SERVER=127.0.0.1 skype" " [14:06] morri: please don't use enter key for punctuation :( [14:06] !enter | morri [14:06] morri: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [14:07] how do I use the enter key as punctation? [14:08] you have been doing it - please don't do it [14:08] aha [14:11] anyway would I need to post this bin/sh ...evertime I use skype? === [-slidinghorn-] is now known as slidinghorn [15:42] I am not able to use the entire screen of my Samsung T240 HD (24") monitor with Ubuntu 10.04. Any hints? [15:43] It leaves about 2 inches on either side (left and right). [15:43] I have got GEForce Nvidia graphics card and I have installed nvidia drivers. [15:44] Nothing I do seems to make any use of the left and right portions (~2") of the screen :( [15:53] anyone? [16:16] Hi. Trying to connect to the Internet on a 2Wire 1701HG Gateway router. Every time I attempt to connect, the computer freezes and has to be manually restarted. I'm able to connect to the neighbor's wireless easily, so it's nothing to do with the computer, the drivers, or the wireless card. Can anyone help me? [18:43] Hi [18:43] hello again sebsebseb [18:43] zkriesse: uh yep [19:44] shpongle: I know where i've seen your name before!!! [19:44] shpongle: there is a band by the name shpongle that I have in my library [19:45] paultag, sure! i'm named after them :D cus i love them [19:45] shpongle: :) [19:46] shpongle: that's why I thought you have been in here before [19:46] It all makes sense now :) [19:46] paultag, i'm glad you sorted it out :P [19:47] Yuppers. On that note, I'll be AFK until Monday [19:47] love you all dearly === slidinghorn is now known as [-slidinghorn-] === Guest80394 is now known as compiledkernel [23:57] Hi...I am running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS & believe I have a failed AGP controller on the Motherboard. The MB has onboard graphics so I have been able to boot with that but have lost the GUI.....it just boots into text only.....firstly saying something about codec_read & failing, then coming up with a login & pwd....Any ideas on how I retrieve the GUI ? [23:58] arlbee: my best guess would be to rebuild xorg.conf, but you would be advised to seek a second opinion