[01:36] ! stab windows xp [01:36] Sorry I don't know about stab windows xp [01:36] !stab windows xp [01:36] * Zinn stabs windows xp with a rusty spork. [01:36] yay [01:36] =) [02:27] anybody available for a graphics card question? [03:46] hey do you guys have some time for a graphics/ubuntu related question? [03:53] !ask | Twiggy2cents [03:53] Twiggy2cents: Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question. Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it. IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer. [03:54] and stick around for an answer [03:54] sorrry :) [03:58] I just set up a dual core 2.4 celeron system with 2 gigs of ram as a front end, the front end video runs great on the onboard video (with avg. 50% load on cores and cpu + playback profile) When using a pcie Nvidia GeForce 210 512MbDDR2 card it stutters on playback. VDPAU Normal helps some but it still does it(the cores run at aroun 90% then). VDPAU slim degrades quality alot and all the other options have the same issue, ex [03:58] cept for slim which is bad quality. This is using the 256.44 driver [03:58] the onboard video is a intel chipset something or other [03:59] hey all. I took an archive of a dvd (iso) and now I can't delete it. [03:59] Im sorry that this isnt the correct chan but nobody is answering on nvidia. [03:59] hi Twiggy2cents. Don't know if you're already getting help, but if not, you wanna repeat your question? [04:00] what drivers are you using Twiggy2cents ? [04:00] nvidia-current for 10.04 is 195.36.24-0ubuntu1~10.04 [04:00] kcormier: I'd check permissions on the iso [04:01] IIRC there was a bug where you created an iso but couldn't delete it from the frontend [04:01] I think you need to chmod 775 the file [04:01] where would it be located? [04:01] rhpot1991, I got the driver off of nvidias website [04:01] Twiggy2cents: why? [04:02] because thats the way I have done it on previous computers? [04:02] What would be the correct way? [04:02] launch the restricted driver manager, and choose nvidia, and it does everything for you nice and easy [04:03] jockey? [04:03] If so it says the driver I am using is the reccomended one [04:05] yep, you most likely have a conflict now between the 2 though [04:05] get rid of the one you installed by hand [04:05] hmm well should I just remove all the nvidia stuff in synaptic? [04:05] Sorry I know just enough to get me in trouble [04:05] no [04:05] those are the ones you want [04:06] whichever you downloaded from nvidia and installed, you don't want those [04:06] hmm I dunno how to remove those [04:06] it was a package that installs [04:06] link to where you got them from? [04:07] http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-256.44-driver.html [04:07] [www.nvidia.com] NVIDIA DRIVERS 256.44 Certified [04:12] nvidia-current version is 195.36.24 on synaptic [04:16] which is what you want [04:16] gonna have to figure out how to get rid of the driver you installed by hand, I don't see any mention of it in the readme [04:17] okay I removed it with jockey and lost the nvidia settings icon [04:17] the files are no longer installed. I am going to now try reinstalling with jockey [04:18] Twiggy2cents: will not help, you aren't doing what I said [04:18] removing the ubuntu nvidia driver and reinstalling them will not make the other ones magically disappear [04:20] They are the same. When I first installed it I had basic graphics support. Limited metamodes and only one output. installing the nvidia package recitfied that. I never installed the 195.36.24 drivers [04:26] what if I download the nvidia installer 195.36.24? [04:33] Twiggy2cents: why not just listen to rhpot's advice? I agree with him that the drivers packaged in debs are a much smarter choice. It is the same driver that comes from nvidia, it is just packaged in a much more manageable way. The nvidia packages do a lot more than just drop a driver into place. [04:33] yes and now that its installed, I dont know how to remove it [04:34] Like I said earlier I know just enough to get myself in trouble [04:36] Twiggy2cents: gotcha. Well i'm all for educating people. So here goes nothing. Are you talking on the same box you're trying to fix? or on a different box? [04:36] no different box [04:36] I am sitting at both though [04:38] perfect [04:38] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual [04:38] [help.ubuntu.com] NvidiaManual - Community Ubuntu Documentation [04:38] that includes uninstall info [04:40] if you read through that page, you'll see why we dislike using the drivers directly from nvidia/ati. They're outside of our control, so during updates/upgrades, we can't guarantee compatibility with the driver. Sometimes the official drivers are necessary, but where the packaged drivers work, they make life a LOT easer. [04:40] if you're interested, this explains some of the details why. It if from fedora (rpm based packaging) but some of the concepts should be the same: http://fedorasolved.org/video-solutions/3rd-pty-video [04:40] [fedorasolved.org] Using 3rd Party Video Drivers — Fedora Unity Project [04:42] hmm weird. Before I go any further let me ask some advice. I removed the drivers and restarted the whole computer, now jockey says I am not using the drivers and to top that off I can watch a stream at under 50% processor load [04:43] Am I using the noveuo (i have no clue how to spell it) drivers? [04:44] I have no xorg.conf file now [04:44] that's ok. ubuntu doesn't actually need one afaik [04:44] Yeah it didnt have one when I was using onboard either [04:44] don't know what driver you're using [04:44] but we can check [04:45] how? [04:45] but the better question is, when you say less than 50% is that good or bad? [04:45] well it was at 90% with the nvidia driver and stuttering [04:45] I mean way less with peaks of around 50% [04:46] interesting. what resolution are you running and what were you running before? And what are you watching? [04:47] it could be a lot of different things, without more in depth comparisons it would be tough to say it was just the graphics driver, and not something else that changed by removing the graphics driver [04:49] Okay so, with onboard gfx I had to make a simple script to use randr to change the resolution to 1600X1200 for my monitor. Then when I wanted to use the tv I used my pc input(vga) I would plug that into place where the monitor was and the display was the same. With the nvidia driver I had 1080 to the tv on a dvi to hdmi connector and some funky resolution to the montior due to it connecting though vga(which is going to be cha [04:49] nged soon so no worries) [04:49] try running two commands [04:49] resolution changes could be part of it [04:50] Now I am at 1080 to the tv and 1024X768 to the montior(which I will worry about when I change the cable) I am going to get a hdmi to hdmi cable(video card has port) for tv and dvi to dvi for monitor [04:50] The tv is in the same resolution as when I had the nvidia driver installed [04:50] run: [04:50] lsmod | grep "nv\|nov" [04:51] nothing happened [04:51] lsmod will list all kernel modules loaded. grep will search for either nv or nov [04:52] Well I mean it returned the shell prompt [04:52] you typed it exactly as I have it there? with quotes, pipes, and back slashes? [04:52] yes [04:52] let me try again [04:53] yes I typed it that way [04:53] hmm [04:53] try just: lsmod | grep nv [04:54] nothing [04:54] could it be because its not finding anything? [04:54] I just did lsmod [04:55] did lsmod by itself output anything? [04:55] let me list the nouveau's [04:55] or is that all you needed to know is if nouveau was running? [04:55] do you have nouveau? my bad...i had you searching nov instead of nou [04:56] yes there are 4 instances that I can find of it [04:56] btw your command works with nou :) [04:56] alright. I'm an idiot. my apologize for the wild goose chase. [04:56] lol [04:56] looks like we both learned something tonight [04:57] now....where were we [04:57] is nouveau a bad driver? [04:57] no [04:57] open source driver [04:57] pretty good one if it supports your car [04:57] card** [04:58] http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FrontPage#Status [04:58] [nouveau.freedesktop.org] nouveau Wiki - FrontPage [04:58] if you want more info [04:58] Should I use it as this set up or play roulette trying to get an nvidia driver to respond in good speed? [04:58] so why does Zinn Mirror what you say. + subject on links? [04:58] Hi Twiggy2cents, something I can help you with today? I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do. [04:59] that's a matter of preference. I'm not too familiar with the nvidia drivers, so I'm not the best person to ask there. [04:59] my gut would be to do the nvidia drivers packaged by ubuntu, unless there is something specific they aren't doing for you. [05:00] but before anything, I suggest installing debsums [05:00] Working? ;) [05:00] did you install the deb before or after the ones directly from nvidia? [05:00] Just kidding, but Im scared to mess up the system now that its working. Im guessing that if I installed the drivers then chose to uninstall them it would default back to nouvou? [05:01] this is where i hate coming in the middle. I don't even know what your original problem was. [05:01] I never installed the deb ones [05:01] They installed themselves [05:01] ohh [05:01] with jockey, right? [05:01] lol no [05:01] now i'm more confused... [05:01] All I installed was the nvidia 256.44 pkg [05:02] from nvidia [05:02] I think it had current drivers in it [05:02] yes [05:02] ok [05:02] which is why I saw them installed on synaptic [05:02] you never tried the ubuntu packaged ones? [05:02] Jockey said I was using the latest drivers [05:02] Synaptic said they were the latest and installed too [05:03] ok....well lets do a few things then. we'll try the drivers packaged by ubuntu. [05:03] I do have an archived pkg from nvidia that is 195.36.24-okg1 [05:03] okay [05:03] With jockey? [05:03] not yet [05:03] the nvidia .pkg can break systems [05:03] so lets clean up first [05:04] okay [05:04] install debsums [05:04] however you want. synaptic, apt-get, whatever [05:04] okay, installed [05:07] hmm. checking this out for a minute. I usually work with centos systems. Just getting back into ubuntu/mythbuntu after a few years off. [05:08] sudo debsums -cg seems to be what we want [05:08] * Twiggy2cents has only messed with the buntu's [05:09] debsums: no mdsums for binutils and no deb availible [05:09] Its still going though [05:09] I think I wanted sudo [05:09] there is some permission errors [05:09] its ok. ubuntu is a great distro to learn on. [05:09] yea i had sudo up there [05:09] doh [05:09] ctrl+c to kill it [05:10] ctrl c is awesome [05:10] :) [05:10] That beats closing the console [05:10] i started off with ubuntu. very easy to work with and GREAT support. centos is a little harder to work with sometimes (especially because everything is a little older) but being able to set up a box and know that it'll be supported for 7 years is wonderful. lol [05:11] So I take it, while being old centos is very good tech? [05:11] yes [05:11] it is patched for security stuff [05:11] it's RHEL [05:11] without the word redhat [05:11] just rebadged [05:12] so far its found a few missing files [05:12] for a home desktop, I say stick with ubuntu. or a derivitive [05:12] the no md5sums error is fine [05:12] I started with kubuntu then went to ubuntu [05:12] hmm now what do i do. Its finished and Im missing files [05:13] one is display related libGL.so.1.2 [05:13] thats what i was worried about [05:13] other is libvdpau [05:13] i'm new myself to irc. What is the best way for him to send us the output of the command? just paste it here? [05:13] and libvdpau_trace.so.1.0.0 [05:14] yes and it will post multiple lines [05:14] rhpot1991: ^^ any advice on how to send the output? [05:14] pastebin is better for that and will work through the multicomputer barrier :) [05:15] good call [05:16] http://pastebin.com/SkyTZAXh [05:19] alright...that's what i was worried about. lets see here. Been a while since I've done anything funky with apt-get [05:19] okay I lost connection I hadnt seen anything after the pastebin [05:21] apt-get check? [05:22] Twiggy: still here? [05:22] yes [05:23] Im here. Im on this crap internet [05:23] alright, so unless anyone here objects, i suggest running: apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx libvdpau1 --reinstall [05:25] done, Im running debsums again. Dunno if i supposed to or restart. Figured it couldnt hurt [05:27] hmmm [05:27] looks like you might want to reinstall xserver-xorg-core as well [05:27] but i'm not 100% sure what that'll do to your system [05:27] /var/lib/PackageKit/transactions.db [05:27] /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so [05:27] second one [05:27] not as concerned with the .db file [05:28] I'd expect that to change [05:28] these two come up like that on debsums [05:28] yup. xserver-xorg-core will fix the libglx.so [05:28] could a restart help? [05:28] okay' [05:28] the packagekit i'm not worried about [05:28] I'd expect the .db file to change [05:28] so sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core --reinstall? [05:29] really that should be listed as a config file I think. and yes, that's correct [05:29] and I just want to make sure that this is fine with the xserver running? [05:29] might be a good idea to kill x server [05:30] bah. Im irc'ing on the problem box now. Hang on [05:30] lol [05:30] okay [05:32] weird, my second display stuck when I killed the xserver [05:32] just killing X might not cut it :-\ This is where ubuntu is weird and i'm a little unsure [05:32] I did service gdm stop [05:32] the command completed [05:33] that works [05:33] rerunning debsums [05:33] alright, did you reinstall xserver-xorg-core [05:33] ? [05:34] yes. That is what I was referring to [05:34] on the completed comment [05:36] the transaction.db is still there [05:36] gotcha. how does debsums look? (by the way. Thanks for the reintroduction to ubuntu. lol.) [05:36] like I said, that's fine [05:36] umm there is a bunch of y's in a line [05:36] it was looking good thill that [05:36] ?? [05:37] you accidentally put something down on your keyboard? [05:37] yes [05:37] lmfao [05:37] not pressing buttons though. I had typed on it trying to type to here [05:37] hmm retrying I guess [05:38] it was one y per line [05:38] odd [05:38] I'd go ahead and restart when you're ready [05:38] I am [05:38] its re running [05:38] then it's time to install the drivers through jockey, and you should be good to go [05:39] at least w/ the driver problem. Where you go from there, depends on your next problem ;) [05:39] lol. The fact that it may run great with the open source driver and my run like crap with the nvidia driver? [05:41] possibly. lol. But that is beyond what I can help you with. I know how to install/remove drivers. Don't know as much about why one would outperform another (that's where some of the brainy guys will be more helpful) [05:41] lol well Im guessing if it doesnt work out then I can just use jockey to uninstall [05:41] WOOT it passed [05:41] minus the random missing md5sums [05:42] so install the jockey drivers? [05:44] well [05:44] from what I'm reading, the nouveau driver is actually quite a bit faster on 2d performance [05:44] ha [05:45] I have installed the driver and am restarting the computer per its request [05:45] nvidia has much better 3d performance, nouveau has better 2d, from what I'm reading [05:46] uhh oh Failed to initialize NVIDIA kernel module [05:46] hmmm [05:46] log message? [05:46] I know the nvidia installer has to compile a kernel [05:46] kernel module [05:46] yea. Shouldn't have to though w/ the packaged module [05:46] see systems kernel log for additional error messages [05:47] run this: tail /var/log/messages [05:47] okay [05:48] at this point, this isn't even remotely myth specific. Should Twiggy2cents and I take it to a private chat? [05:49] I dunno if anybody else is awake [05:49] http://pastebin.com/3D91Qppa [05:49] thats the tail [05:50] it seems that jockey is trying to mix the best of both worlds? [05:50] Or I have left overs from nvidia? [05:51] did you install 256.44 manually? [05:51] it looks to me like you have leftovers [05:51] previously yes [05:51] well no [05:51] nvidia did it for me in their package [05:52] NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 195.36.24, [05:52] whoops [05:52] that was supposed to go in my google search [05:52] lol [05:54] lets see what driver you're currently using: lsmod | grep "nv\|nouv" [05:54] well I told it to run in low graphics mode for this time [05:55] so you got that error message when you restarted? [05:55] yes [05:55] alright [05:56] hmmm [05:56] lets see what we've got here [05:56] it is nvidia [05:56] the output from the command says nvidia? [05:56] yes [05:56] lol....so we still have binary drivers. Did you uninstall the binary drivers from the nvidia package? [05:56] with --uninstall? [05:57] negative [05:57] oh boy. That was the very first thing we were supposed to do. No wonder things won't boot! [05:57] well...no wonder x won't start [05:58] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual [05:58] [help.ubuntu.com] NvidiaManual - Community Ubuntu Documentation [05:58] sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-256.44.run --uninstall? [05:58] sudo update-rc.d nvidia-kernel defaults [05:58] ? [05:59] uninstall instructions are there. that looks right. [05:59] ummm [06:00] says file does not exist [06:00] where is your .run package? [06:00] is it in the current directory? [06:00] crap [06:00] lol [06:00] thats not the uninstall command [06:01] hmm [06:01] what's it say? [06:01] sudo update-rc.d nvidia-kernel defaults [06:01] I read the wrong command [06:02] nope [06:02] uhh ohh [06:03] Unrecognized argumens: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-254.44.run [06:03] Invalid commandline, please run './nvidia-installer --help' for usage information [06:05] nvm I had two different packages so it confused it [06:05] gotcha [06:05] Error File'/user/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so is not a symbolic link. [06:05] FACEPALM [06:05] okay it uninstalled though [06:06] lmfao [06:06] whelp. looks like we were thorough [06:06] restarting [06:06] ok [06:06] should boot with nouveau again [06:07] okay it has booted. Looks to be nouveau. I am running jockey AGAIN [06:07] man oh man [06:07] well actually it says that the nvidia driver is in use [06:07] still? [06:08] well yes [06:08] lsmod | grep "nv\|nou" [06:09] running nvidia drivers [06:10] this is nvidia stuff, so lets switch out of myth for now [06:10] we're just filling up the logs [13:58] anyway to get myth to stream mkv files to PS3? It streams all my AVI movies,. [18:34] I'm running karmic, and I have mythtv 0.22 installed. If I run apt-get upgrade, shouldn't at least 0.23 show up as an upgrade? [18:35] CyberKnet: nope [18:35] if you want it you should get it from autobuilds [18:35] !auto% | CyberKnet [18:35] CyberKnet: Auto builds contain more recent bug fixes than the normal Ubuntu repository contains. See http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds for more info. [18:36] whoa. I kinda expected that an update from May would be in the main repositories by August. [18:36] CyberKnet: the repos close, we can't add thigns to do them unless they are specific bug fixes [18:36] so a whole new release is definitely not going to happen [18:37] CyberKnet: if you had upgraded to lucid then you would have had .23 [18:38] I'm originally a fedora guy, and they always heavily suggested to never do in-place upgrades. Are in-place upgrades acceptable for ubuntu, or also discouraged? [18:40] I totally didn't expect to get completely cut off here because I was one release behind. [18:44] CyberKnet: thats why we have autobuilds :) [18:45] our policy is to offer autobuilds for the current release and +! [18:45] +1 that is [18:45] +excitment? [18:45] so for karmic you get .22 and trunk which became .23 [18:45] lucid you get .23 and trunk which will one day become .24 [18:57] Thanks. So I installed the autobuild deb, then from console ran dpkg-reconfigure mythtbuntu-repos [18:57] oh, never mind. [18:58] I thought it said 0.23 twice. Sorry. I am such a user sometimes. [19:16] So ... in-place upgrades - encouraged, or discouraged? [19:26] i love excitement.... [19:41] CyberKnet: I could imagine more than one meaning, so please define. [19:42] I think he means us doing updates right in the ubuntu packages [19:42] in which case its only for a bad bug' [19:45] in order for those to be approved we need to document everything involved with the bug, so just pushing the latest mythtv code isn't an option [20:02] rhpot1991/mrand: I meant upgrading from 9.04 to 10.04 in place - likely via apt-get or upgrade manager [20:03] ratehr, from Karmic to Lucid [20:03] CyberKnet: sudo update-manager -d ? [20:03] rhpot1991: yeah, something like that. [20:04] I believe I've done it once before on that box. [20:04] its there, am I missing a question somewhere? [20:04] rhpot1991: The question is ... is it a good idea and recommended, or is it a bad idea and not recommended... [20:04] such a command existed for Fedora Core as well - but was highly discouraged. [20:05] its a good idea, and works well [20:05] then I shall do that this weekend. [20:05] we follow the official upgrade paths that ubuntu uses [20:06] I see that /etc/issue says Ubuntu 9.04, but I'm pretty sure I upgraded since then to 9.10 or something [20:08] hmmm... update-manager is an X-only app? [20:09] yep [20:09] ssh -X forward it, or vnc in [20:10] I'd have to ssh tunnel the VNC, I think. [21:20] hello, is the ubuntu package for mythtv buggy? after installing, i get "libraw1394.so.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" from mythbackend [21:20] libraw1394.so.11 exists, so i was just planning to symlink that as libraw1394.8 [21:20] but stop me if i should install from elsewhere instead [21:22] ss_: where do you see this error? [21:22] on the command line when running mythbackend [21:22] i had tried to launch it from the menu, but nothing was happening [21:23] this was a mythbuntu 8.04 box. i upgraded it via update manager to ubuntu 10.04, and then reinstalled mythtv from the repos [21:24] the backend should start on boot [21:24] i guess it was failing due to this error [21:24] there is a upstart script which handles all of that [21:25] !logs | ss_ [21:25] ss_: MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/ You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin. [21:25] lets start there [21:26] hm i don't have that in applications. i made the symlink and things appear to be working, fwiw [21:27] is there a specific log you're interested in [21:28] not really [21:28] what version of mythtv are you using: dpkg -l |grep mythtv-backend [21:28] 0.23.0+fixes24158-0ubuntu2 [21:29] http://pastebin.com/gBuV3P9Z [21:29] I don't have a .8 [21:30] lets try this [21:31] kill that if you are still running it by hand [21:31] ok [21:34] do you have a /etc/default/mythtv-backend file? [21:34]