[00:00] <nhandler> Meeting time?
[00:00] <zkriesse> WOO!
[00:00] <zkriesse> sup nhandler
[00:00]  * pleia2 waves
[00:01]  * zkriesse gives pleia2  a hug
[00:01] <nhandler> akgraner: You around?
[00:01] <akgraner> yeppers
[00:01] <akgraner> one sec
[00:01] <zkriesse> Last I knew she was working on the agenda
[00:01] <akgraner> hey all meeting time :-)
[00:01] <akgraner> #startmeeting
[00:01] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting started at 23:01. The chair is akgraner.
[00:01] <Mootbot-UK> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[00:02] <akgraner> Welcome to the News Team Meeting
[00:02] <akgraner> The agenda can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Meetings/20100805/Agenda
[00:02] <akgraner> [Link] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Meetings/20100805/Agenda
[00:02] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Meetings/20100805/Agenda
[00:02] <akgraner> ok who is here for the meeting?
[00:02] <nhandler> o/
[00:02]  * pleia2 is
[00:02]  * zkriesse waves hand
[00:03] <akgraner> Thanks ya'll hopefully a few more people will join
[00:04] <akgraner> ok just tweeted/dented/FB'd it
[00:04] <akgraner> [Topic] - Fridge
[00:04] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - Fridge
[00:04] <akgraner> The template should be ready I just need to talk to stas and find out where it's at and see about getting it loaded on the development site so we can modify it.
[00:05] <pleia2> great
[00:05] <akgraner> pleia2, once I get the details on where it's at would you be able to add it to then test site?
[00:05] <nhandler> I could help with that
[00:05] <pleia2> akgraner: yep, just let me know :)
[00:06] <akgraner> nhandler awesome!  thanks
[00:06] <akgraner> so I'll email pleia2, nhandler and Nick with all the details  and you all can just decide who will take care of getting it added based on your schedules.  Is that ok
[00:07] <nhandler> Sounds good
[00:07] <pleia2> thanks akgraner
[00:07] <akgraner> thanks!
[00:08] <akgraner> also I forgot to put this on th agenda re the Fridge  - what do you all think about polling the fridge editors to see who can watch certain areas of the Ubuntu
[00:08] <zkriesse> akgraner: idea it
[00:08] <akgraner> right now I think it's just whomever sees what 1st and little to no communication between editors
[00:09] <nhandler> akgraner: I'm not sure how well that will work. For example, I think most of us watch the -announce lists. But our schedules/time zones dictate who is around to actually post them
[00:09] <akgraner> even if an editor can't add it - at least they can send it to the list and someone can grab it
[00:09] <pleia2> I sorta do interviews these days
[00:09] <pleia2> (that's why I originally got access)
[00:09] <nhandler> What would be better is if we all got in the habit of saying in the IRC channel when we start working on something
[00:09] <pleia2> nhandler: +1
[00:09] <zkriesse> +1 nhandler
[00:10] <akgraner> nhandler, I get that - but there is more news happening that what gets posted on -announce
[00:10] <akgraner> nhandler, +1 on posting in IRC channel
[00:10] <nhandler> akgraner: Agreed, but I don't think the issue is the editors not seeing it/choosing to post it. I think it has more to do with their schedules. I also think the new fridge (which will make it easier for non-editors to contribute) will help us get more stories published
[00:11] <akgraner> agreed
[00:11] <nhandler> For instance, a random Joe could see a cool story, write it up and submit it (as a Contributor). An editor would simply need to hit publish
[00:11] <zkriesse> Cool
[00:11] <akgraner> so for now  - just post hey "I'm posting this story" or something
[00:12] <nhandler> That will solve the duplication of efforts problem. The other problem will hopefully get fixed with the new fridge
[00:12] <akgraner> or hey I saw this can an editor post it if you have time etc
[00:12] <akgraner> nhandler, yep that is the goal
[00:12] <akgraner> anyone have anything else about the Fridge?
[00:13] <akgraner> ok if not moving on
[00:13] <akgraner> [Topic] - UWN
[00:13] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - UWN
[00:14] <akgraner> so I sent an email to the -news-team mailing list , the Fridge Editors list, the UWN List and News Team list
[00:14] <akgraner> [Link] - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2010-August/001143.html
[00:14] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2010-August/001143.html
[00:14] <akgraner> I am sure that some people got all for copies  - and I am sorry about that  - but for the LP Teams I can
[00:14] <pleia2> hehe, yeah
[00:15]  * nhandler is glad gmail is smart enough to detect those duplicate messages
[00:15] <akgraner> I can only send to the whole team or only 3 members in 24 hours and I get locked out
[00:15]  * akgraner noted LP is not the best tool for team management 
[00:16] <akgraner> anywho  - so over the last few weeks I have gotten several comments about UWN
[00:16] <akgraner> people have asked for the following
[00:16] <akgraner> pdf version
[00:16] <akgraner> html version
[00:17] <akgraner> and we will have the plain text version and wiki page as well
[00:17]  * pleia2 retreats to cranky old linux user cave and cheers for text
[00:17] <pleia2> :)
[00:17] <nhandler> I haven't had a chance to look at the tool you mentioned in the email, but we should be careful about trying to please too many people
[00:17] <akgraner> however people have complained that they *hate* scrolling through it
[00:18] <pleia2> pdf feels so unwieldy, I don't enjoy reading FCM because it is such a pain to render, but I am open to the idea of HTML emails, pictures are nice
[00:18] <akgraner> nhandler, I know but if we want to gain more readers we need to meet them where they are
[00:18] <pleia2> (and option of text or html upon signing up)
[00:18]  * zkriesse is going to go eat
[00:18] <akgraner> mail chimp let's you choose between HTML, Plain text and moble
[00:19] <akgraner> mobile even
[00:19] <nhandler> akgraner: Yes, but we also don't want to increase the workload of the few staff we have
[00:19] <akgraner> :-)
[00:19] <akgraner> which is also why I want to move publishing to Monday afternoons
[00:20] <nhandler> akgraner: What was the time you proposed again?
[00:20] <akgraner> who can I send and invitation for the mail chimp newsletter so you can help decide on look and function and ease of use of it
[00:20] <akgraner> 1500 EDT (my time)
[00:21] <akgraner> I also think by moving it  - we can get more people whose schedules would allow for them to help publish it
[00:21] <pleia2> I don't actually work on UWN much, but presumably summaries and things can be written all weekend by those of us have to work Monday, so it's "just" (I know it's a lot, don't mean to belittle it) the stitching together and formalizing that needs to be done on Monday
[00:21] <nhandler> Well, I'm not sure about that (it would be during work hours for most of the world). But it would probably help cause people to get their stuff in before publishing time (they would do it on the weekend)
[00:22] <Pendulum> yeah, I was kinda thinking that what it really allows for is people to have more time to do summaries, not that they're less likely to do it on the weekend
[00:23] <akgraner> right now I am giving up almost 15 hours every Sunday  - so I was thinking I would add the links to the sites I watch to a wiki page and as others find other sites for various sections they can add them in
[00:24] <Pendulum> akgraner: I really liked your idea of making links due by friday evening
[00:24] <akgraner> and then people who are working on say LoCo stuff can see if they missed anything
[00:24] <akgraner> I can added the Press links etc..
[00:24] <akgraner> Pendulum, thanks
[00:24] <akgraner> I know there are some people who don't mind summarizing but don't want to find the links
[00:24] <akgraner> which is cool
[00:25] <akgraner> and I know if I just actively set aside say 2 hours each day I think I can get a lot of the links posted
[00:25] <akgraner> and those who want to just do the summaries can
[00:25] <Pendulum> that may also be something to look for in volunteers. People who are also just interested in finding links (not doing summaries)
[00:26] <akgraner> and by giving myself til 1500 EDT on Monday - I will have time add stuff incase someone forgets or something
[00:26] <akgraner> Pendulum, yep we have a couple people finding links
[00:27] <akgraner> and some people want to add everything  - and I spent many hours justifying why I am not including something
[00:27] <nhandler> :)
[00:27]  * nhandler has noticed a significant increase in size of the newsletter
[00:27] <akgraner> nhandler, and I on average reject about 50 articles
[00:28] <akgraner> it will work its self out I am sure but wanted to mention what happens behind the scenes
[00:29] <akgraner> if you all know people who would like to stick to 1 section and find links for that section
[00:29] <akgraner> that would be great!!!
[00:29] <akgraner> Pendulum, I do think it would be easier to get people to find links than write summaries
[00:30] <akgraner> I'll blog about the change in publishing on Mondays
[00:31] <akgraner> and then we'll see how it goes - I also want to avoid the same people giving up their whole weekend
[00:31] <nhandler> Well, I know for when I do the team reports, I'll still be doing them the first Sunday of each month, but now, I will have the whole day to hunt down teams to finish their reports up
[00:32] <akgraner> nhandler, the only new things that get added on Saturday or Sunday would be
[00:32] <akgraner> 1) Team Reports on the Sunday when they are due
[00:32] <akgraner> 2) Ubuntu Stats
[00:32] <akgraner> 3) updates and security
[00:33] <akgraner> but other than that all links should be in by Friday
[00:33] <akgraner> if there is late breaking stories on Saturday I'll add in on Monday before we publish
[00:34] <akgraner> does all that make sense to everyone?
[00:34] <akgraner> and are there any questions? comments? thoughts?
[00:35] <nhandler> akgraner: What is the reason for still wanting the stuff in on Friday if publishing is moving to Monday?
[00:35] <akgraner> Because I am giving up my entire weekend
[00:35] <akgraner> and I haven't had a free weekend since October
[00:36] <akgraner> and if we can do more stuff during the week  then more people will join in
[00:36] <nhandler> So you are going to be spreading the reviewing out among Saturday, Sunday, and Monday now instead of just cramming it all into Sunday?
[00:36] <akgraner> I get "sorry I would help, but I can't give up my weekends"
[00:36] <akgraner> reviewing isn't what takes so long
[00:37] <akgraner> the posting and summarizing on all on Sunday's is what takes forever
[00:37] <akgraner> so if the links are posted prior to Saturday
[00:37] <akgraner> then people who are waiting to summarize can do it anytime during the weekend
[00:38] <nhandler> Ah, that is the part I wasn't understanding. I thought you wanted the links AND summaries done by Friday
[00:38] <nhandler> That makes much more sense now
[00:38] <akgraner> nhandler, ahhh sorry :-(
[00:38] <akgraner> hope I didn't sound rude or defensive there
[00:38] <akgraner> ;-)
[00:38] <nhandler> Nope. I understand where you are coming from :)
[00:38] <akgraner> so makes more sense now?
[00:39] <nhandler> Yep, and I agree that it will definitely help
[00:39] <akgraner> and if I and others can post  a few links through out the week then people wanting to get stuff done on their sections will be able to
[00:40]  * pleia2 nods
[00:40] <akgraner> it also gives people the ability to discuss if something should or shouldn't be included during the week rather than under pressure on Sunday
[00:40] <zkriesse> Ok back ya'll
[00:40] <akgraner> trying to make it easy for people so that it won't be so time consuming for any one person
[00:41] <akgraner> pleia2, and nhandler (for now) I'd like to make sure you all know how to publish it  - as well so if I get hit by a bus - or a flight is delayed etc I know you all know how
[00:42] <akgraner> and over time add other people to the list of people who can publish it to the world
[00:42] <nhandler> I have no issue with that, but I'm not sure how available I will be to do that on Mondays (due to school)
[00:42] <akgraner> nhandler, nods - once it is ready to be published  - it only takes  about 45 minutes
[00:43] <zkriesse> Anything I can do akgraner concerning this?
[00:43] <pleia2> akgraner: sounds good
[00:43] <akgraner> zkriesse, maybe... I would need to work on a few things with you
[00:43] <zkriesse> Ok
[00:44] <akgraner> let's look at that in a couple weeks  - it takes some time to go through it all and right now that is what I am lacking (but just for a couple weeks)
[00:44] <akgraner> pleia2, nhandler can you look over the howto and let me know what areas don't make sense to you
[00:44] <zkriesse> Not a problem
[00:44] <nhandler> akgraner: Sure
[00:45] <nhandler> akgraner: You mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies/HowToEdit ?
[00:45] <akgraner> yep
[00:45] <akgraner> then there is a link on there to howto do each item
[00:46] <akgraner> nhandler, that is the link from the editing page  - sorry
[00:46] <akgraner> yep its that one
[00:46] <akgraner> :-)
[00:46] <nhandler> Yeah, I have the other page open as well: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies
[00:46] <akgraner> great!  thanks
[00:46] <akgraner> you don't have to do it now  just sometime say over the next 10 days???
[00:47] <nhandler> That sounds fine. Can you give me an ACTION about that ?
[00:47] <akgraner> yep
[00:47] <pleia2> sure
[00:47] <akgraner> [ACTION] 0 nhandler and pleia2 to review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies/HowToEdit and let akgraner know what areas they have questions about
[00:47] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  0 nhandler and pleia2 to review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies/HowToEdit and let akgraner know what areas they have questions about
[00:48] <nhandler> :)
[00:48] <akgraner> ok anyone have anything else re UWN?
[00:48] <zkriesse> Nada
[00:48] <nhandler> Anything to discuss about 'add link to wiki page to the top of the plain text version so people don't have to scroll through the whole thing' ?
[00:48] <nhandler> It looks pretty straight-forward
[00:49] <akgraner> anyone can review the document - I don't want to sound like I am excluding anyone
[00:49] <akgraner> not meaning to
[00:49] <akgraner> nah - just wanted to include it on the agenda for sake of history - it's easy to do that
[00:50] <akgraner> [Topic]  - other
[00:50] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:   - other
[00:50] <akgraner> New Ubuntu Memberships
[00:51] <zkriesse> Those are always cool
[00:51] <akgraner> I will be sending out a request to those groups who grant Ubuntu Membership to please send us the information
[00:51] <zkriesse> +1 akgraner
[00:51] <nhandler> I know the Americas always make sure to get that task asigned after each meeting, and I believe the others are getting better at it
[00:52] <akgraner> the regional boards do a pretty good job of doing this but sometimes we don't get the list from all of them
[00:52] <akgraner> also I need to talk to the DMB about giving us the information in a better format
[00:52] <akgraner> otherwise someone has to go through their meeting minutes and figure out who got what
[00:53] <akgraner> unless we have a team member willing to go through those minutes
[00:53] <nhandler> Well, we will never have a complete list (i.e. Kubuntu Council grants kubuntu-dev and doesn't send us anything)
[00:53] <akgraner> and write it up
[00:53] <pleia2> the regional boards really just need to do the write-ups
[00:54] <pleia2> DMB was not loving the idea of a better format, they complained that it takes too much time
[00:54] <akgraner> pleia2, but what about those who get membership by MOTU, Core-Dev (or whatever it's called now)
[00:54] <akgraner> pleia2, I know - I heard all about it :-)
[00:54] <pleia2> ah ok :)
[00:55] <pleia2> all we can do is ask, if they're already reporting but in a format we don't like, we can ask that they give us something nicer, but if they refuse... we just need to wade through it, I think
[00:55] <akgraner> but they give the vote total but b/c I don't know how many votes it takes and stuff - I don't know if a person was granted membership
[00:55] <pleia2> and while we're asking say "this is for your new members, to get publicity!"
[00:57] <akgraner> I'll get a cheat sheet for all that added to our wikis so anyone on the team can look through their minutes and write it up
[00:57] <akgraner> that may be the best compromise
[00:57] <akgraner> ???
[00:58] <nhandler> akgraner: As for only showing vote totals, that probably depends on who writes it. I just looked at an email from persia, and he clearly stated which votes were 'Approved'
[00:58] <akgraner> nhandler, yep it depends
[00:59] <akgraner> maybe I just picked a bad week to look over the meeting minutes
[01:00] <akgraner> which is entirely possible or maybe I am just looking at something different all together :-/  I'll get a better handle on it before I make a huge deal out of anything :-)
[01:00] <zkriesse> akgraner: lol
[01:00] <akgraner> anything else on membership?
[01:01] <zkriesse> Not from me no
[01:01]  * nhandler -> dinner
[01:01] <akgraner> I'll go through a couple months of minutes and then figure out if anything further needs to be said about it
[01:01] <akgraner> nhandler, yep we are wrapping up  - thanks!
[01:02] <akgraner> I'll just add the interview topic to next month
[01:02] <akgraner> is there anything else from anyone before I end the meeting?
[01:02] <akgraner> [Topic] Next Meeting
[01:02] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Next Meeting
[01:03] <akgraner> September 7th, 2010 @ 2300 UTC
[01:03] <akgraner> if there is nothing else - Thank You everyone for a great meeting!
[01:03] <akgraner> #endmeeting
[01:03] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting finished at 00:03.
[01:04] <pleia2> thanks akgraner :)
[01:04] <akgraner> pleia2, :-)
[01:04] <zkriesse> good meeting/topics akgraner
[02:00] <scott_ev> dammit, what time i 2300 MST that's utc-7
[02:00] <scott_ev> would that be 4pm
[02:32] <akgraner> I'm adding the Free Book for LoCo teams to the Fridge unless someone else is working on it?
[02:42] <akgraner> :-) oh if posting to the Forums was instant :-)
[02:46] <zkriesse> lol
[02:46] <zkriesse> it never is akgraner
[02:47] <akgraner> it's not too bad, but I can still wish it was faster :-)
[02:49] <zkriesse> exactly
[03:04] <nhandler> I'm adding the App Review Board post to the fridge
[03:05] <akgraner> nhandler, thanks
[03:08] <nhandler> akgraner: Don't forget about the forum discussion link
[03:08] <akgraner> I thought I added it
[03:08] <nhandler> Ah, silly me. I was looking at the wrong post. Sorry about that
[03:08]  * nhandler should go to bed
[03:08] <akgraner> no worries :-P
[04:49] <pleia2> I'm working on the ubuntu women interview from FCM last week
[04:49] <pleia2> might not get it done today though, sorta ran out of steam this week
[04:50] <pleia2> it'll be nice when my boss gets back :)
[04:50] <pleia2> running the ship is tough work!
[15:52] <akgraner> pleia2, do you want me to add it?
[15:53] <akgraner> pleia2, nm you are already working on it :-/
[15:53] <akgraner> I have a few more links to read and I'll have some in all the sections
[15:54] <scott_ev> akgraner: I'll be doing my part today
[15:54] <akgraner> scott_ev, thanks!
[15:55] <akgraner> are you feeling better?
[15:55] <scott_ev> yes, I never feel bad for more than a day or two
[15:56] <scott_ev> but it happens with some regularity
[15:56] <akgraner> I hope it gets better for you...
[15:57] <scott_ev> it's not likely to change.  RA is chronic and incurable
[15:57] <scott_ev> and gets worse over time
[15:58] <scott_ev> but 12 years ago the doctors said within 5 years I'd not be able to walk, so I'm beating the odds by a huge margin
[15:58] <akgraner> ahh - I have friend who has RA
[15:58] <akgraner> she takes some shots now - but they are very expensive  :-(
[15:58] <scott_ev> 'tis no fun
[15:58] <scott_ev> yeah, my enbrel costs $1,300/month
[15:59] <akgraner> I feel really bad for her and there is nothing I can do when she is having a bad day except fix dinner or something and help with her kids and laundry etc
[15:59] <scott_ev> woohoo, huh?
[16:00] <scott_ev> I'm happy that it's not worse than it is and it's better than having cancer or hiv
[16:00] <scott_ev> or ms, etc
[16:03] <akgraner> scott_ev, keep smiling - do you belong to one of the support groupf
[16:03] <akgraner> groups
[16:03] <scott_ev> nah
[16:03] <akgraner> my friend says she wouldn't know how to cope somedays with her friends from her group
[16:03] <scott_ev> it doesn't affect me emotionally much
[16:19] <Pendulum> scott_ev: akgraner do you guys know the spoon theory?
[16:19] <akgraner> Pendulum, yep
[16:19] <akgraner> grrr - stupid enter key - :-(
[16:20] <akgraner> I meant  - yep you sent it to me
[16:20] <Pendulum> heh
[16:20] <akgraner> but I don't know if scott_ev knows about it
[16:21] <Pendulum> scott_ev: http://www.butyoudontlooksick.com/articles/written-by-christine/the-spoon-theory-written-by-christine-miserandino/ (in case you're interested)
[16:21] <akgraner> Pendulum, I'll get you some links in the Wiki and google doc in just a few
[16:22] <akgraner> I feel like I've been moving slower than molasses in the winter lately
[16:22] <scott_ev> Pendulum: thanks, I'll read it
[16:23] <Pendulum> akgraner: awesome. I'm still in recover mode from dance yesterday, but I'll see what I can do (and I"ll get it done over the weekend regardless)
[16:23] <akgraner> thanks if I can get most of everything today - everyone can work on their parts Saturday and Sunday
[16:24] <akgraner> and I can be relaxed and get it out on Monday with no stress
[17:15] <pleia2> I don't have time at the moment (work) but does someone want to fridge this? http://ubuntutesting.wordpress.com/2010/08/06/desktop-testing-team/
[17:22] <akgraner> pleia2, will do
[17:28] <akgraner> pleia2, as soon as it hits the Forums  - I'll send it to the Planet :-)  thanks for the headsup
[17:28] <pleia2> woo, thanks akgraner :)
[17:29]  * pleia2 so glad it's friday
[17:29] <pleia2> the "here" link has a trailing " so the link doesn't work
[17:30] <akgraner> grrrr
[17:32] <akgraner> amazing what a missing " messes up
[17:32] <akgraner> grrrrrrrrr and double grrrrrrr
[17:34] <pleia2> yeah :\
[17:35] <pleia2> with wordpress we'll be able to use the WYSIWYG editor, so hopefully this won't be so difficult
[17:36] <akgraner> yeah :-)
[17:36] <akgraner> pleia2, can you edit a Forum Post to Fridge discussion
[17:37] <akgraner> <div class='snap_preview'> is showing up there but not on the Fridge
[17:37] <pleia2> I don't think so
[17:37] <pleia2> might have to nudge a forum mod
[17:37] <akgraner> hmm well that's not so good is it - :-)  I can only edit the UWN and NC Forum stuff
[17:38] <akgraner> so I can't edit these - hehe :-)
[17:53] <highvoltage> wordpress sounds like fun for fridg
[17:53] <highvoltage> e
[17:55] <akgraner> highvoltage, it should be
[19:19] <zkriesse> akgraner: you there?
[19:27] <akgraner> yeppers
[19:27] <akgraner> what's up?
[19:28] <zkriesse> akgraner: Ah yesterday before meeting you mentioned that you wished to speak with me about helping either after the meeting or today..
[19:28] <zkriesse> ??
[19:28] <zkriesse> Hey scott_ev_!
[19:29] <akgraner> zkriesse, can I ping you in a few  - I have a couple things to finish with RSS Feeds and then  - have to drive to SC - but once I get to SC I should have internet and can talk to you then...
[19:29] <akgraner> I've had a couple calls this morning that I wasn't expecting
[19:29] <zkriesse> akgraner: not a problem..just trying to figure out what's going on..
[19:30] <akgraner> no worries
[22:16] <akgraner> hey all I added some links earlier today to the wiki  - if people want to start working on them :-)
[22:17] <akgraner> it's not all of them but it is a start :-)
[22:27] <highvoltage> akgraner: \o/
[22:27] <highvoltage> akgraner: I'll start tomorrow morning if no one else beat me to it by then :)
[22:30] <pleia2> I added the things to the ietherpad from the -news-team list
[22:39] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks - I haven't looked through all the lists to that's a huge help
[22:40] <pleia2> it was only two, I just popped them in as they hit the list
[22:43] <akgraner> thanks!