[03:25] <JoeMaverickSett> if i want to upgrade my kernel from this site: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.35-maverick/ what are that parts that i should download and install?
[03:25] <JoeMaverickSett> i'm running Lucid btw.
[04:21] <ripps> JoeMaverickSett: Just use the kernel-ppa
[04:25] <JoeMaverickSett> ripps, how do i do that? do you mean just use the kernel provided? i'm very new to this stuff.
[04:26] <ripps> JoeMaverickSett: I believe that maverick kernels are already packaged for lucid in a launchpad personal package archive. Wait a sec, let me look it up.
[04:27] <JoeMaverickSett> ripps, alright. take your time.
[04:27] <ripps> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa
[04:27] <JoeMaverickSett> thanks.
[04:29] <ripps> Yeah, just type `add-apt-repository ppa:kernel-ppa/ppa; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install linux-generic-lts-backport-maverik`
[04:29] <JoeMaverickSett> ah! yup! thanks, ripps.
[04:32] <Andre_Gondim> I can't install ubuntu-restricted-extras at Maverick
[04:32] <Andre_Gondim> the pack ubuntu-restricted-addons is missing
[04:36] <ripps> I just let it uninstall, it's just a metapackage and nothing else was removed
[04:42] <LinoSP> hiii Q:Will ubuntu10.10 include nouveau driver with Galium 3D activated by default?
[04:43] <LinoSP> or does ubuntu maverick alpha3  include nouveau driver with Galium 3D activated by default?
[04:44] <ripps> LinoSP: I don't think Gallium is ready yet. But the xorg-edgers PPA has the packages necessary. Ask the guys in #ubuntu-x about it.
[04:44] <LinoSP> ripps: :) K thx for your answer
[04:47] <LinoSP> I have installed gallium 3d dirvers  on a nvidia8200  and is not usable at all (screen with funny colors messed), how can I unistall all the xorg-edgers PPA  packages
[04:48] <LinoSP> sorry q was for #ubuntu-x channel
[04:50] <JoeMaverickSett> is this patch: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/474223/  already applied in version 2.6.35?
[04:51] <DanaG> Cool, my G-P-M is fixed... didn't even have to file a bug on it.
[04:51] <DanaG> Drop 00git-kernel-backlight-interface.patch and 00git-port-to-libupower.patch: Upstream now. The first backport was buggy and broke the correct detection and signalling of brightness values.
[05:18] <DanaG> hmm, now g-p-m gets BadAtom with Radeon.
[05:28] <DanaG> Say, how stable is btrfs?
[05:29] <DanaG> Is it prone to random corruption, and such?  And would it be worth switching my SSD to use btrfs?
[05:36] <Volkodav> My maverick install is marginally slower on the same ssd with btrfs then Lynx on a tuned ext4
[05:36] <Volkodav> Lynx is way faster
[05:37] <Volkodav> boot apps - anything
[05:52] <almoxarife> anyone else having issues with nautilus, only since upgrade, any action will close it, although it seems to complete the action???????????
[06:01] <DanaG> hmm, how do you 'tune' ext4?
[06:04] <DanaG> I do have the partitions aligned, since I had win7 create the partition table (and it used the correct block size).
[06:15] <sinurge> almoxarife: i had some while using the live amd64 cd
[06:15] <sinurge> but on install it doesnt seem to have that issue
[06:18] <Volkodav> DanaG: http://cptl.org/wp/index.php/2010/03/30/tuning-solid-state-drives-in-linux/
[07:50] <DanaG> heh, when I boot from a usb-creator'd SD card, the "boot from first hard disk".... boots from... guess what?
[07:50] <DanaG> ... the SD card.
[07:52] <DanaG> Error mounting: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail  or so
[07:53] <DanaG> Wow, that's a verbose message!
[08:16] <almoxarife> something is not right, nautilus crashes every time I use it to make a change to the file system
[10:11] <guzu> hello all
[10:12] <guzu> i'd like to install maverick on a friend's notebook (because 10.04 fails to renoot. how usable it is?)
[10:12] <ikonia> hello
[10:12] <ikonia> it's unstable and in development
[10:12] <guzu> reboot
[10:12] <ikonia> I'd concentrate on resolving an issue with 10.04 which is an LTS release and has solid support, rather than try to get around it with a development release
[10:13] <guzu> can it be used to: brose internet, play sudoku and listen music?
[10:13] <ikonia> guzu: I would strongly advise against it
[10:13] <guzu> ikonia, i've concentrated all yesterday with no use
[10:13] <ikonia> guzu: have you logged a bug ?
[10:13] <guzu> ikonia, no
[10:13] <ikonia> ok - so it has long term support, log a bug and get the development team involved to resolve it
[10:14] <guzu> ikonia, it's a common problem on this notebook with fedora and mandriva\
[10:14] <ikonia> guzu: so why do you think maverick will fix it ?
[10:14] <guzu> ikonia, so maybe i should report to the upstream instead
[10:14] <guzu> it's newer kernel
[10:14] <guzu> ?
[10:14] <ikonia> guzu: log it to ubuntu, and give them the detail, and let them feed it upstream
[10:14] <guzu> i suppose :)
[10:15] <guzu> ikonia, not many details are available, mavhine just freezes after "Restarting system"
[10:15] <guzu> machine
[10:15] <guzu> and in 10.04 x86_64 too
[10:16] <guzu> of course, these distros all work fine in any other machine i've tried before. otoh, on this buggy asus machine ,wxp and jolicloud have no problem
[10:18] <guzu> so, would you recommend 8.04 instead of mavericl, ikonia ?
[10:19] <ikonia> no
[10:19] <ikonia> I'd recommend 10.04 the current LTS release
[10:19] <guzu> ikonia, thank you very much
[10:23] <guzu> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.
[10:29] <guzu> maverick: in user account creation step, if passwords don't match, it will not display the forward button but, it will also not say what the provblem is
[10:31] <guzu> where can i report a new bug? i'm here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ and i see no "new bug" button
[10:48] <ikonia> !bugs | guzu
[10:49] <guzu> ikonia, that link puts me in a loop (with no visible exit point :) ). i've found the useful link is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect . thank you
[11:02] <yofel_> guzu: that link works fine here, please read it and ask in #ubuntu-bugs if you have any more questions about bug filing
[11:02] <guzu> yofel_, thank you
[11:03] <guzu> yofel_, would it work even if i'm in fedora now?
[11:03] <yofel_> ah probably not
[11:03] <guzu> ok thank you
[11:41] <vershan> hello there guys and girls I am currenly using ubuntu 10.10 and would like for a windows computer to see a folder - how do i share a folder we are on the same network
[11:43] <ikonia> vershan: why are you using a development version ?
[11:44] <vershan> im new to ubuntu and one of my friends did this update for me
[11:44] <vish> ikonia: nice!
[11:44] <vershan> should i just move back to 10.0.4
[11:45] <ikonia> vershan: you can't move back to 10.04 without an install
[11:45] <ikonia> vish: huh ?
[11:45] <vershan> wow how do i do that
[11:45] <vershan> ?
[11:45] <vish> ikonia: i guess #ubuntu experience, played here.. you asked a neat Q ;)
[11:45] <ikonia> ah
[11:47] <vershan> ikonia sorry i never saw the ńot´
[11:47] <vershan> i get it now but can i make a windows computer see a folder if im using 10.10
[11:48] <ikonia> vershan: exactly the same as in 10.04
[11:48] <scizzo-> vershan: you mean another computer in the same network?
[11:49] <vershan> yes sir
[11:49] <scizzo-> vershan: there are many ways....many howtos for that also....everything depends on what you want to use...
[11:51] <scizzo-> vershan: best is to look for SMB sharing from linux to win
[11:51] <vershan> i used shares-admin - and installed whatever needed to be used
[11:51] <vershan> when i want to share i dont see Windows networks (SMB) option
[11:53] <scizzo-> vershan: well the are many howtos out there about sharing files from linux to win
[11:53] <scizzo-> vershan: was a long time since I set one up...only NFS shares I have used recently..
[11:54] <vershan> ok if i use unix networks nfs - will a windows computer be able to see this
[11:54] <scizzo-> vershan: NFS support in win is not standard
[11:54] <vershan> ok i see
[11:54] <scizzo-> vershan: and NFS to win is bad since it is slow....best is to use Samba sharing
[11:55] <vershan> ok how do i do that then?
[11:55] <scizzo-> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba  <---- not sure how good that is....but its a start...
[11:55] <vershan> thanks buddy ill have a look
[11:56] <scizzo-> read it before doing the steps
[11:56] <scizzo-> vershan: if not check in #ubuntu channel
[11:56] <vershan> i will do
[12:14] <Machtin> any hint on how to get java installed?
[14:00]  * penguin42 yawns
[14:23] <BUGabundo> bRoas
[14:24] <penguin42> Hi Bug
[14:25] <boris-> hai
[14:25] <boris-> how stable is alpha 3 ? am i likely to have a lot of problems ?
[14:25] <BUGabundo> nothing special here
[14:25] <BUGabundo> but I've using it since day one of maverick
[14:26] <boris-> had to fix many things ?
[14:26] <BUGabundo> and all alphas before that back to 7.04
[14:26] <BUGabundo> I kinda stop noticing "bugs"
[14:26] <boris-> its so time wasting to upgrade ubuntu versions
[14:26] <BUGabundo> currently bugging me: kmail will need to be open twice, sound is mutted on boot, bright requires password, e-sata requires password
[14:26] <BUGabundo> that's it
[14:26] <boris-> what would you rate your computing skll
[14:26] <BUGabundo> 4 bugs heeh
[14:27] <BUGabundo> ohhhh and the DAMN gtk sloooooooowwwwwwwww bug
[14:27] <boris-> skill
[14:27] <BUGabundo> boris-: using linux since '95, previous win power user, sysadmin, spending most of my time in FLOSS projects, doing class in FLOSS projects
[14:27] <BUGabundo> does that count?
[14:28] <boris-> so expert
[14:28] <boris-> i've been alive since '95
[14:28] <BUGabundo> I've alone, filed more bugs in BTS then most users in #ubuntu put toguether
[14:28] <BUGabundo> mew
[14:28] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I've got an oops I can trigger from google-earth but I've got a patch for it - I'd like to get the kernel builders to pick it up though
[14:28] <BUGabundo> I have accounts in more BTS then most ppl know exist
[14:29] <BUGabundo> penguin42: weekly days, USA TZ #ubuntu-kernel
[14:29] <BUGabundo> or email their ML. don't expect a quick reply in both places
[14:29] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Yeh, I've noticed many of the channels are getting dead at weekends when most of us who work get the time to fiddle!
[14:29] <BUGabundo> eheh
[14:30] <penguin42> still, I've got a week off in a couple of weeks
[14:32] <BUGabundo> Use the Force my friend
[14:32] <penguin42> well, how do you think I fixed it :-)
[14:57] <george__> I am looking for options to help develop Ubuntu Maverick
[14:57] <george__> any ideas ?
[14:58] <penguin42> george__: Test it and report bugs! Oh, and fix them!
[14:58] <george__> lol
[14:58] <george__> the thing is I don't know where to start
[14:58] <george__> I don't have any experience in working on Open source OS
[14:59] <penguin42> ok, then report bugs
[14:59] <penguin42> If you're not a programmer then maybe get involved in the documentation or graphics projects
[15:05] <george__> I am a programmer but I've never tried working on and OS before I know a couple of programming languages very well
[15:06] <penguin42> george__: OK, so are there any programmes you relaly like a lot or any programs you would use a lot but they have problems/things you would fix?
[15:06] <penguin42> really
[15:07] <george__> Empathy the IM Client
[15:07] <george__> had tons of them
[15:07] <george__> is it fixed in Ubuntu 10.10
[15:07] <penguin42> I don't know, I don't use Empathy
[15:07] <nysosym> 10.10 wont boot in my virtual machine
[15:09] <penguin42> george__: If you can try 10.10 see if those bugs still exist, see if the bugs are in Launchpad, if not report them; find where the Empathy developers hang out, get to know them and try and fix some of the bugs
[15:09] <penguin42> nysosym: How far does it get?
[15:09] <nysosym> penguin42 i just get a black screen after grub
[15:10] <penguin42> nysosym: OK, so get into grub (shift just as it starts) and try editing out the lines near the top that are load video and set gfx something  and try again
[15:23] <dutchie> i seem to have rather a lot of packages help back on my maverick netbook
[15:23] <dutchie> as in, 105
[15:26] <penguin42> odd
[15:27] <penguin42> dutchie: Try doing apt-get install on one of them , it will either work and bring in a load of other stuff or suggest doing something bad (like removing a critical package) - if it just wants to install some more it will probably unblock it
[15:27] <dutchie> righty-ho
[15:27]  * dutchie waits for the current batch of upgrades to finish
[15:36] <dutchie> my fingers are too well trained to type "aptitude"
[15:41] <BUGabundo> dutchie: mine too
[15:44] <dutchie> i've managed to unstick it a bit by apt-get installing certain packages
[15:45]  * penguin42 is sure there is an aptitude equivalent - my brain just knows apt-get
[16:50] <nova> anyone know how i can run maverick from a flash drive with a ati5xxx hooked up with hmdi?
[16:55] <nova> so i guess if i have it hooked up this way, there is no way to install maverick?
[16:55] <penguin42> nova: Two things to try
[16:56] <penguin42> nova: First try removing the load_video and set gfx thing from the grub when you boot, also try booting with nomodeset
[16:57] <nova> ok and the other option?  i will restart here shortly and try
[16:58] <penguin42> there are two things there; the removals and the adding nomodeset
[16:58] <nova> oh ok got it thanks
[18:02]  * BUGabundo stabs avidemux
[18:51] <mikeconcepts> I've had no success creating a working boot usb of a3 maverick netbook, none of the easy methods like startup disk creator, unetbootin or the windows way work
[18:53] <mikeconcepts> the a2 version worked using startup disk creator and I've downloaded the a3 netbook iso twice
[18:56] <duffydack> dd ?
[18:57] <mikeconcepts> duffydack: if you are answering me, no
[18:57] <duffydack> I just use gujins bootloader and cat  my isos to the stick. quick n simple
[18:58] <mikeconcepts> duffydack: I will go learn that, thanks
[18:58] <duffydack> http://psychoticspoon.blogspot.com/2009/01/booting-multiple-livecds-from-single.html
[18:59] <mikeconcepts> thanks
[18:59] <duffydack> bit long winded, basically just make 16mb fat16 partition, install loader to it, make partition for each iso, cat ubuntu.iso > /dev/sdb2
[18:59] <duffydack> etc
[19:00] <duffydack> just easier for me when testing isos a lot.. dd zero it, cat the iso, done
[19:04] <BUGabundo> $ ffmpeg  -I input.mkv -vcodec copy -acodec ac3 -ab 160 output.mkv = Error while opening encoder for output stream #0.1 - maybe incorrect parameters such as bit_rate, rate, width or height
[19:04] <BUGabundo> :(((((((((
[19:08] <duffydack> 160k ?
[19:09] <BUGabundo> k?
[19:09] <BUGabundo> where?
[19:09] <duffydack> is it supposed to be -ab 160k  (or maybe 1600000
[19:10] <duffydack> 160000  I mean
[19:10] <BUGabundo> ahh
[19:10] <BUGabundo> let me try
[19:10] <duffydack> certain versions ive used in the past have been weird like that
[19:11] <duffydack> ah, maybe the encoder..  -acodec faac or libfaac
[19:11] <BUGabundo> Encoder (codec id 0) not found for output stream #0.2
[19:11] <BUGabundo> ok
[19:11] <BUGabundo> now we are getting somewhere
[19:13] <duffydack> is it compiled with all the needed encoders?
[19:14] <BUGabundo> I do have libavcodec-extra-52
[19:15] <BUGabundo> avidemux won't produce valid files
[19:15] <BUGabundo> when doing video passthrough
[19:15] <duffydack> umm.  you be better off really compiling it properly..much nicer to you :)
[19:16] <duffydack> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=786095  fantasticly easy.. and vp8 too!
[19:16] <BUGabundo> I expect for the package maintainers to do a reasonable job
[19:16] <BUGabundo> like any other packages
[19:16] <almoxarife> anyone else seeing nautilus crash after the upgrade?
[19:17] <BUGabundo> almoxarife: no
[19:17] <duffydack> if maintainers kept up I wouldnt have a ppa list a mile long :)
[19:17] <BUGabundo> ahahah
[19:17] <BUGabundo> actually I think there's an ffmpeg trunk ppa
[19:17] <BUGabundo> and one for gstream too
[19:18] <BUGabundo> or not
[19:18] <BUGabundo> ill try your way
[19:18] <duffydack> ive wasted my time with the repo version before..  I just compile it..  its only a copy paste job
[19:19] <duffydack> reminds me I need to do it again on this new install...
[19:20] <BUGabundo> jpds: Err mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt/ maverick/main git amd64 1:1.7.1-1.1
[19:20] <BUGabundo>   404  Not Found [Mirror: http://cesium.di.uminho.pt/pub/ubuntu-archive/]
[19:20] <duffydack> also uses checkinstall for nice debs.
[19:21] <duffydack> git/svn are always slow for me, I jsut get the daily tarballs
[19:22] <BUGabundo> ?
[19:22] <BUGabundo> why is this even pooling GIT?
[19:22] <BUGabundo> shouldn't it be git-core?
[19:22] <duffydack> im assuming your are using git to get x264
[19:22] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[19:22] <BUGabundo> they changed it
[19:23] <BUGabundo> no no
[19:23] <BUGabundo> !info git
[19:23] <duffydack> oh
[19:23] <BUGabundo> it used to be git-core
[19:23] <BUGabundo> !info git-core
[19:23] <BUGabundo> ppl always installed the app git when they actually wanted GIT the DRCS
[19:26] <BUGabundo> duffydack: how often should I check on ffmpeg updates?
[19:27] <BUGabundo> install: cannot change permissions of `/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig': No such file or directory
[19:27] <BUGabundo> ****  Installation failed. Aborting package creation.
[19:29] <BUGabundo> make: *** No rule to make target `/tests/fate/vp8.mak'.  Stop.
[19:29] <BUGabundo> ****  Installation failed. Aborting package creation.
[19:29] <BUGabundo> this "thing" doesn't like me :(
[19:37] <BUGabundo> LAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[19:37] <BUGabundo> all it needed as -scodec copy
[19:38] <ripps> Hmmm.... nautilus keeps crashing when I try to move or delete a file. http://pastebin.com/uvvdx4wA
[19:39] <BUGabundo> ripps: dropbox? ubuntu one ?
[19:40] <ripps> BUGabundo: I have Ubuntu One
[19:40] <ripps> I wasn't using it at the time. I'm using nautilus elementary, could it be doing something?
[19:41] <BUGabundo> its pooling some kinda of plugin or gtk lib
[19:41] <duffydack> back.  check on updates?   you can recompile it everyday if you like :)
[19:42] <ripps> BUGabundo: any idea what plugin it's polling?
[19:43] <duffydack> ripps, there are known bugs with U1 and nautilus elementary.  I have one.
[19:43] <ripps> But I'm not even trying to use U1, why is it interfering
[19:43] <BUGabundo> ripps: no
[19:43] <BUGabundo> there's a folder for them
[19:43] <BUGabundo> find it and move stuff out
[19:43] <BUGabundo> ripps: as long as u1 is installed.....
[19:43] <BUGabundo> you know the drill
[19:44] <duffydack> Sorry not U1,  I mean using nautilus elementary with things like emptying trash
[19:44] <duffydack> has U1 related bugs also tho..like making a file public, crashes.
[19:46] <BUGabundo> FAIL
[19:47] <BUGabundo> the video is TOO fast
[19:47] <BUGabundo> and no sound :(
[19:47] <Jordan_U> BUGabundo: Are you using mencoder?
[19:47] <BUGabundo> oh wait
[19:48] <BUGabundo> there's audio but its glitchy :(
[19:48] <BUGabundo> Jordan_U: $ ffmpeg  -i input.mkv -vcodec copy -acodec ac3 -ab 128kb -scodec copy output.mkv
[19:48] <BUGabundo> avidemux already gave me very similar results
[19:48] <ripps> why did this suddenly happen, though. I've been using nautilus-elementary in Maverick for months, why did this suddenly happen?
[19:49]  * BUGabundo points ripps to /topic: anything and everything will brake
[19:49] <duffydack> brb
[19:50] <BUGabundo> this is useless
[19:50] <BUGabundo> let me see if there's a bug in WDTV firmware
[19:51] <Jordan_U> BUGabundo: Does the Video play properly in another player?
[19:52] <BUGabundo> plays fine in mplayer in my laptop
[19:52] <BUGabundo> a bit slow
[19:52] <BUGabundo> but that just CPU for a 720p
[19:53] <Jordan_U> What about totem. Due to bugs I think that mplayer is more likely to "properly" play a malformed file than gstreamer.
[19:53] <duffydack> I`ll try find an mkv to test mine on.
[19:54] <BUGabundo> totem is fine FYI
[19:54] <BUGabundo> I've tried *every* option avidemux gives me, and now cli ffmpeg
[19:54] <BUGabundo> video passthrouth is just busted
[19:54] <BUGabundo> recoding with something like handbrake works fine
[19:55] <BUGabundo> but thakes 1h:50m for a 50min video
[19:55] <BUGabundo> while passthtouth takes 1-3 min depending on audio codec
[19:55] <Jordan_U> And I'll bet that all but about 20 seconds of that is writing the new file to disk :)
[19:55] <BUGabundo> for some background , my WDTV 1stgen doesn't like DTS (or any audio format with more then 2 outputs)
[19:57] <BUGabundo> there are some known apps in wdtv forums that do the trick, but they are all windows
[19:57] <BUGabundo> and I'm stubern and refuse
[19:57] <BUGabundo> must do it in linux some how
[19:57] <BUGabundo> just not now
[19:57] <BUGabundo> dinner with friends
[19:57] <BUGabundo> thanks for the help
[19:57] <BUGabundo> I'll be here later or tomorrow, probably, and week nites (no more IRC at work, or I get fired :( )
[20:03] <almoxarife> (gnome-power-manager:3090): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_connect_data: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed <-- what would the cause be for that error, I have a log full of them
[20:06] <DanaG> Last time I tried to tell U1 to sync my Dropbox folder (so I could sync with ARM), it just devoured my CPU for hours on end.
[20:09] <penguin42> wow, that's a weird bug - starting a VM and I get a multisecond echo on my pulse audio playback
[20:11] <Jordan_U> penguin42: Do you know what a ring buffer is?
[20:11] <penguin42> yeh
[20:13] <Jordan_U> penguin42: Pulseadio (through ALSA) writes audio samples to a ring buffer, which when using pulse can be quite large (multiple seconds). If pulseadio is unable to update the buffer in time then the audio card will loop back and replay what's left over from the previous write.
[20:14] <penguin42> Jordan_U: It shouldn't be causign that much delay - the machine doesn't feel sluggish, and it still seems to be doing it if I remove the emulated sound card
[20:16] <Jordan_U> penguin42: What virtualization software?
[20:16] <penguin42> kvm
[20:17] <Jordan_U> penguin42: Does just starting kvm without a virtual disk, "kvm" without any other options, trigger the loop?
[20:18] <penguin42> Jordan_U: It seems to be on starting or shutting down the guest
[20:18] <Jordan_U> penguin42: Is that a no?
[20:19] <penguin42> Jordan_U: I haven't tried it without a virtual disk yet - I'm just waiting for something to fail in the VM
[20:22] <penguin42> kvm without any optinos doesn't trigger it
[20:27] <duffydack> bugabundo, meh you're gone.  Well I did what he was trying to do with success.
[20:29] <duffydack> any way to leave a pm for someone, for when they are here and I am not?
[20:31] <penguin42> no
[20:34] <penguin42> duffydack: However, see https://launchpad.net/~bugabundo
[20:35] <guntbert> duffydack: /msg memoderv help
[20:35] <guntbert> memoserv
[20:36] <penguin42> golly, I didn't know we had such technology
[20:47] <duffydack> The memo has been successfully sent to bugabundo :)
[20:48]  * penguin42 sighs at mountall
[21:38] <mikelifeguard> How can I find out what version of a package is going into maverick?
[21:39] <penguin42> packages.ubuntu.com
[21:39] <Daekdroom> mikelifeguard, you can also use !info <packagename> in this channel
[21:39] <Daekdroom> In case you need to check a lot of packages, do /msg ubottu !info <packagename> maverick
[21:40] <mikelifeguard> thanks, I'll use PM...
[21:40] <mikelifeguard> hmph, perl 5.10 still
[21:42] <yofel> mikelifeguard: we sync most packages from debian, they have 5.10 in testing and unstable, 5.12 is in experimental, but we don't sync from experimental unless requested and there's a reason to do it
[21:42] <penguin42> which reminds me actually
[21:42] <penguin42> !iscsitarget
[21:42] <mikelifeguard> but it is New! and Improved!! xD
[21:42] <penguin42> !info iscsitarget
[21:42] <penguin42> hmm, that's still the broken verson
[21:43] <yofel> mikelifeguard: New and Improved usually contradict each other :P
[21:43] <mikelifeguard> silence, heathen! :D
[21:43] <duffydack> I know why do they people keep usin that term,.
[22:01] <skyjumper> is rubygems working on maverick for anyone else?
[22:08] <penguin42> skyjumper: I don't really no ruby gems, but it just managed to install the heroku gem ok for me
[22:08] <penguin42> know
[22:13] <skyjumper> using 1.9.2?
[22:13] <skyjumper> (ruby version)
[22:14] <penguin42> no, ruby1.8 - that was installed when I installed rubygems
[22:16] <skyjumper> ah
[22:30] <Machtin> does anyone know how i can get sun/oracle java from the repos? can't find it in partner..
[22:31] <guntbert> Machtin: might not yet exist for maverick?
[22:31] <Machtin> hmh, i see.
[22:32] <penguin42> Machtin: There is a fair chance if you copy the debs from the Lucid partner repo they'll work
[22:33] <Machtin> humm.. will try that :)
[22:35] <Machtin> ah, just noticed that i do use the lucid-partner-channel.
[22:36] <Machtin> but it was blocked because of the maverick one i suppose.
[22:37] <Machtin> thanks penguin42.. that's SO much faster.
[22:39] <penguin42> no problem
[22:42] <ripps> Okay, I've determined that my nautilus-elementary crashing isn't being caused by any nautilus plugins, because it still happens even after I remove all of them
[22:43] <penguin42> ripps: When it crashes does it generate a core/apptrace thing?
[22:43] <ripps> penguin42: no, but I do have a backtrace
[22:44] <penguin42> what does it look like?
[22:44] <ripps> penguin42: http://pastebin.com/61ekPZAC
[22:46] <penguin42> hmm I don't know how to debug dbus evilness; I've got a gio/dbus breakage in the drive mounter I haven't been able to track down
[22:46] <ripps> I think this might have started with the latest glib upgrade
[22:46] <penguin42> ripps: What USB or similar devices do you have plugged in?
[22:46] <ripps> penguin42: just a usb harddisk
[22:47] <penguin42> ripps: You could try running dbus-monitor (for both session and system busses) and see if anything interesting takes place just prior to nautilus dying
[22:48] <ripps> penguin42: error sender=:1.10 -> dest=:1.287 error_name=org.glib.GError.g_2Dio_2Derror_2Dquark.c15 reply_serial=12 string "The specified location is not supported"
[22:53] <penguin42> that's not too dissimilar to the crash I get - which happens when it tries to mount my camera
[22:55] <penguin42> the question is how to figure out what location it was trying to access
[22:57] <ripps> penguin42: the crash occurs whenever I try to move a file, that includes moving to trash.
[22:58] <penguin42> what's your filesystem?
[22:58] <ripps> ext4
[22:58] <ripps> I can move things fine from commandline, it's only nautilus
[22:58] <penguin42> hmm nothing odd then
[23:23] <ripps> penguin42: hmm... it might be caused by some power-management issues
[23:23] <ripps> ** (nautilus:8956): WARNING **: Could not inhibit power management: Timeout was reached
[23:23] <ripps> g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote peer vanished. Exiting.
[23:23] <ripps> Terminated
[23:24] <penguin42> I'm not sure what that would be - maybe on your USB disk?
[23:27] <ripps> didn't they just remove the last bits of devkit-power for upower, maybe some api bits are still in place for nautilus
[23:27] <penguin42> but that's just a name change isn't it?
[23:28] <ripps> penguin42: it has nothing to do with my usb disk. I still get the crash even when I remove it.
[23:28] <penguin42> then I wonder what power management it's moaning about
[23:29] <ripps> It seems to freeze a bit before it crashes, as if it's waiting for something, but than it fails and aborts
[23:29] <ripps> I should probably downgrade to normal nautilus and see if the problem remains