[03:26] <nigelb> paultag: no problem :)
[03:26] <paultag> :)
[10:28] <czajkowski> Good Morning :)
[10:34] <duanedesign> good morning
[10:40]  * nigelb waves to cz
[10:40] <nigelb> gah, czajkowski
[10:40] <nigelb> morning duanedesign, rather frightfully early today ?
[10:55] <duanedesign> nigelb:  not to bad
[10:55] <duanedesign> 5 am
[10:55] <czajkowski> why so early
[10:56] <duanedesign> i just like to get up early.
[10:56] <duanedesign> :)
[13:22] <Pendulum> hiya
[13:25] <Pendulum> nigelb: only 90%?
[13:26] <nigelb> Pendulum: yeah.  I need to go submit it.
[13:26] <Pendulum> ah
[13:26] <Pendulum> so it's all the stuff you can do now
[13:26] <nigelb> (a) I got lazy today. (b) Every time I stepped out, it started raining.
[13:26] <nigelb> Once I submit it, it takes like 2 weeks
[13:27] <nigelb> I'll probably take a day off on tuesday to do it.
[18:57] <nigelb> I wonder which blog popey was talking about
[18:58] <highvoltage> nigelb: what did he say?
[18:58] <popey> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/dude-youre-35-year-old-with-neck-beard.html
[18:58] <highvoltage> ah, *that* one
[18:58] <nigelb> when he said "he'd rather gouge his eyes out with a rusty spoon"
[18:58] <czajkowski> I see he removed his post/copy of it from planet Ubuntu
[18:58] <highvoltage> yeah that's been all over the ubuntu twitter/dentisphere this morning
[18:59] <popey> he pasted it to the planet!?
[18:59] <czajkowski> yup
[18:59] <popey> jeeez
[18:59] <czajkowski> it's been removed about an hour now or so
[18:59] <czajkowski> possibly two seeing as I've been away actually
[18:59] <czajkowski> Not really what I'd expect to read on the planet tbh
[19:00] <czajkowski> http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/08/08/dude-youre-a-35-year-old-with-a-neck-beard/ was on the planet
[19:03]  * nigelb votes blacklisting
[20:10]  * vish silently removes nigelb vote ;p
[20:12] <vish> popey: topyli's comment was nice and to the point! :)
[20:16] <pleia2> popey: thanks for updating the sounder description :)
[20:17] <pleia2> that list makes me facepalm frequently, but somehow the pedanticism of some of the members has kinda grown on me, they're such characters
[21:00] <czajkowski> great commen from zooko http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/dude-youre-35-year-old-with-neck-beard.html#comment-67017538
[21:13] <paultag> Oh wtf
[21:13] <paultag> I'm a 21 year old with a neck-beard
[21:13] <paultag> haters gana hate
[21:15]  * AlanBell is now a little bit tempted to grow a neck beard
[21:16] <czajkowski> akgraner: clearly women dont count in his books we don't have beards
[21:16] <paultag> do it! :)
[21:17] <AlanBell> paultag: I am 35 too
[21:17] <paultag> Oh man!
[21:17] <paultag> that's perfect AlanBell!
[21:18] <AlanBell> sometimes I want to help Ben to be a better person, other times I just want to rip his arms off and slap him about with the soggy ends
[21:18] <czajkowski> AlanBell: see that;s the dad in you
[21:18] <czajkowski> help a boy grow
[21:18] <czajkowski> not all boys grow up
[21:18]  * czajkowski mutters
[21:19]  * paultag waves
[21:20] <AlanBell> http://twitter.com/humphreybc definitely leaning towards the arms option at the moment
[21:44]  * cjohnston cant grow a beard
[21:45] <AlanBell> I think everyone who can should turn up to UDS with a neck beard
[21:45] <paultag> +1
[21:45] <cjohnston> I could try for that
[21:46] <paultag> Oh! And get a picture of Ben as Che on an acid wash T
[21:46] <AlanBell> neck wigs could be provided for the genetically neck-hair challenged
[21:46] <cjohnston> I found out yesterday I'm on call for a trial the entire week of UDS
[21:46] <cjohnston> and not jury duty.. to testify
[21:46] <cjohnston> boo!
[21:47] <cjohnston> I'm gonna try to get outta it since im on vacation
[21:47] <cjohnston> and its for work
[22:08] <vish> heh , upstreams are pissed at that post!
[22:08] <AlanBell> not surprised
[22:08] <jcastro> I have a neckbeard!
[22:08] <jcastro> tbh the post was tl;dr for me
[22:09] <vish> now that was removed from the planet they are questioning " i didn't see the post removed that called us (gnome icon theme maitainers) idiots "
[22:09] <AlanBell> vish: where?
[22:09] <vish> had to mention the OMG and planet are on same
[22:10] <jcastro> vish: ah, slippery slope
[22:10] <vish> s/on/not
[22:10] <jcastro> didn't he have some interview where he mentioned macking on ladies or something?
[22:10] <AlanBell> yup, that was last week
[22:10] <vish> jcastro: yeah , that line was removed
[22:11] <jcastro> classy!
[22:11] <czajkowski> jcastro: tl;dr ?
[22:11] <vish> AlanBell: the gnome icons post was one of an earlier post on OMG , iirc that was joey
[22:11] <jcastro> czajkowski: "too long; didn't read"
[22:11] <czajkowski> jcastro: ahh:) thank you
[22:11] <jcastro> I think part of ben's problem is that he's full of hopes and dreams.
[22:12] <jcastro> He hasn't been using linux long enough to be a beaten down piece of pulp
[22:12] <vish> lol!
[22:12] <czajkowski> jcastro: It's not even that, he just is young immature and lacks cop on and respect, that post insults Many many people
[22:12] <AlanBell> jcastro: he also has another 15 years to grow a neckbeard
[22:13] <jcastro> I don't think he'll ever grow a neckbeard
[22:13] <jcastro> you can tell
[22:14] <AlanBell> I can see that post as being rather damaging in terms of perception of Ubuntu by upstreams
[22:15] <jcastro> is omg!ubuntu on an ubuntu.com domain?
[22:15] <AlanBell> no
[22:15] <AlanBell> it is omgubuntu.co.uk
[22:15] <jcastro> right
[22:16] <jcastro> so like, why is ubuntu in the name? etc.
[22:16] <AlanBell> good question
[22:16] <czajkowski> its a fan base for Ubuntu, but not really much fo a fan when it posts shite like that
[22:17] <vish> and some supporting such posts :s
[22:17] <AlanBell> czajkowski: it is an add supported publication, they are making money from it
[22:17] <czajkowski> thats even worse then :(
[22:18] <vish> AlanBell: really? there was a comment from someone among them that he is not doing it for profit
[22:18] <jcastro> right, so like would we care if it was softpedia or webupd8 or some other site without "ubuntu" in the name?
[22:18] <czajkowski> meh we can all give out about out, we all dont like it, chances of his apologising are slim and none.  whats the point.
[22:18] <AlanBell> tbh I am not that bothered about OMGUbuntu as a concept, they are learning journalism on the job, slowly, and they do put out some good articles
[22:19] <jcastro> besides, if you want more news on ubuntu you can always read plaanet fedora!
[22:19] <czajkowski> jcastro: for me, i see it as an Ubuntu member slagging off the majority of people who have developed and worked on Ubuntu and open source in rather poor taste
[22:19] <AlanBell> Ben has noticed that he gets rewarded with more readers and comments and probably add views when he posts that kind of article
[22:19] <jcastro> czajkowski: so say something!
[22:19] <jcastro> well, not to me
[22:20] <jcastro> but then it will just cause more pain
[22:20] <AlanBell> I am more concerned about it being on planet.ubuntu.com as an Ubuntu member and representing the project
[22:20] <jcastro> so you don't
[22:20] <jcastro> (I do this all the time)
[22:20] <jcastro> AlanBell: that is a good point
[22:20] <czajkowski> jcastro: I don't get you?
[22:20] <jcastro> czajkowski: like, you could respond with something
[22:20] <czajkowski> AlanBell: he removed it within an hr of it being on the planet
[22:20] <jcastro> but then there would be a retort
[22:20] <jcastro> and then other people would retort
[22:20] <jcastro> and then it would be even worse
[22:21] <czajkowski> jcastro: I've tried in the past to reason with ben and it didn't happen so I just gave up
[22:21] <AlanBell> yeah, that is the "don't feed the trolls" thing
[22:21] <jcastro> czajkowski: right, so you just put him in the "done with that pile" and move on
[22:21] <czajkowski> I didn't blog it, I spoke to him in pm and meh.  exactly move on build a bridge and get over it :)
[22:21] <AlanBell> czajkowski: doesn't matter so much that he removed it from the planet, he is an Ubuntu member either way
[22:21] <czajkowski> aye
[22:24] <czajkowski> I think the person zooko wrote the bext reply on the comments with the dear Ben  I am a 35....
[22:24] <jcastro> I am 35!
[22:25] <AlanBell> so when he says on twitter about Maia Kozheva "Yeah, seriously, you should find her blog post. I just want to tell her to fuck off." I think that is kinda unacceptable
[22:25] <czajkowski> you can grow a beard :)
[22:26] <czajkowski> silverfox wrote a detailed bug report over the fonts wasn't it
[22:26] <AlanBell> lucidfox
[22:26] <czajkowski> ahh
[22:26] <czajkowski> yes
[22:26] <jcastro> I don't see why he's upset about that bug
[22:27] <czajkowski> he's not
[22:27] <czajkowski> she is
[22:27] <czajkowski> he's upset she filed the bug
[22:28] <jcastro> I don't see why he would care, the bug was worth it just so mark can explain why the font is what it is
[22:28] <jcastro> (I posted the same kind of thing on her blog)
[22:28] <AlanBell> yeah
[22:30] <jcastro> hmm, so hey
[22:30] <czajkowski> yup
[22:30] <czajkowski> z'actly
[22:30] <jcastro> the dell store started selling desktops again
[22:30] <jcastro> and I priced one for about $1000 USD
[22:30] <czajkowski> feck ye over in USa ye can get them!
[22:30] <jcastro> today I find the same one in a store
[22:30] <jcastro> with higher specs
[22:30]  * czajkowski can only get a mini over here 
[22:30] <jcastro> for 799, with windows 7!
[22:31] <czajkowski> ugh
[22:31] <jcastro> so I ask if they have the 7100n in stock, of course they've never heard of it
[22:31] <czajkowski> though I think the next laptop I get will be a system 76 shipped to mate in Canada - pending I get a job of course
[22:32] <jcastro> so basically, if I buy from their online store I am out the 500gb and 2gb that's in the store model + no ubuntu ootb
[22:32] <jcastro> (disk and ram spec, respectively)
[22:33] <AlanBell> at least they will let you buy it
[22:33] <jcastro> good point
[22:34] <AlanBell> did you see my conversation with them in the UK?
[22:34] <jcastro> yea
[22:34] <jcastro> loltastic
[22:35] <czajkowski> AlanBell: hey at least you didn't have to give them a geography lesson, she tried to tell me I was in the UK
[22:35] <AlanBell> now they only sell them over the phone, one of the guys in the UK loco phoned them up and got basically the same "you must buy windows" that I got online
[22:35] <czajkowski> I really wish other manufacturers sold with Ubuntu on them
[22:35] <AlanBell> czajkowski you are proper foreign
[22:38] <jcastro> am I proper rebel then?
[22:39] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I'm a mixutre alright :)
[22:40] <AlanBell> bedtime reading czajkowski http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[22:40] <czajkowski> I've not broken any..
[22:41] <IdleOne> jcastro: with a name like yours claiming to be a rebel is a capital offence in some countries :)
[22:41] <highvoltage> czajkowski: ireland isn't part of the UK?
[22:41] <jcastro> IdleOne: yeah!
[22:41] <Pendulum> highvoltage: ooh. treading on dangerous ground there
[22:41]  * highvoltage backs off
[22:41]  * IdleOne grabs popcorn and watches czajkowski rip highvoltage a new one
[22:42] <czajkowski> highvoltage: I'm one of the few folks who don't mind it.  I'm half English being born over there and dad is English, in fact he calls me a turn coat as I gave up british passport 12 years ago.
[22:43]  * czajkowski kicks highvoltage just the same 
[22:43] <czajkowski> highvoltage: you can chair the next two emea board meeting just for that
[22:43] <czajkowski> :p
[22:43] <highvoltage> ouch :)