[07:40] <Hoober> hey folks
[07:40] <Hoober> many familiar face in here
[07:40] <bazhang> Hoober, how may we help you
[07:41] <Hoober> so like
[07:41] <Hoober> this support channel?
[07:41] <maco> nope
[07:41] <bazhang> this would be the place to resolve bans from non-core channels
[07:42] <Hoober> ok
[07:42] <Hoober> too meta then?
[07:43] <Hoober> wait
[07:43] <Hoober> am i banned from a non-core channel
[07:43] <Hoober> like women?
[07:43] <bazhang> yes
[07:43] <rww> yes
[07:44] <Hoober> ok we should resolve that
[07:44] <bazhang> and here is the person to discuss it with!
[07:44] <Hoober> i don't see her
[07:44] <Hoober> ok well
[07:44] <Hoober> now i think i am hallucinating
[07:45] <rww> Hoober: I think bazhang means me ;)
[07:45] <Hoober> because these are too many ubuntu channels
[07:45] <Hoober> and you all have similar names
[07:45] <bazhang> Hoober, rww is a 'he' last I checked
[07:45] <maco> rww: since when are you a her?
[07:46] <Hoober> is it 9-11
[07:48] <Hoober> are you shy
[07:48] <Hoober> maco?
[07:48] <Hoober> i am going to meta
[07:49] <Hoober> i am not getting any closer to sucking your titties my standing here maco
[07:49] <Hoober> ok that i admit was a troll
[07:50] <Hoober> no hard feelings?
[07:50] <Hoober> emma
[07:50] <Hoober> i like your name
[07:50] <Hoober> it reminds me of that girl who cybered me, and wasn't a girl but just a person who wanted to know how i was hacking city of heroes
[07:50] <Hoober> yeah
[07:51] <bazhang> !ops | Hoober
[07:51] <Hoober> !ops
[07:53] <IdleOne> Hoober: leave now. return in 72 hours
[07:53] <Hoober> wait
[07:53] <IdleOne> good evening.
[07:53] <Hoober> this is different channel
[07:53] <IdleOne> no waiting. that is it.
[07:53] <Hoober> gosh darn
[07:53] <Hoober> are you a girl atleast
[07:53] <rww> oh god, I have ops in here, too? this cloak is crazy.
[07:53] <Hoober> just tell me before i go
[07:54] <bazhang> why is rww not allowed in -ops?
[07:54] <Hoober> PLEASE
[07:54] <Hoober> i am a boy
[07:54] <Hoober> or man
[07:54] <IdleOne> he isn't a core op. but I think he should be
[07:54] <rww> bazhang: *!*@ubuntu/member/* is on -irc's access list
[07:54] <Hoober> would it help if i told you m y age
[07:54] <maco> rww: yes, /lots/ of ops in here
[07:54] <rww> bazhang: the only places I'm a named op are non-core channels
[07:54] <bazhang> rww, that is silly
[07:54] <maco> i was allowed in -ops before becoming an op in a core channe
[07:54] <maco> *channel
[07:55] <maco> i was only an op in #ubuntuforums and -women at the time
[07:55] <rww> maco: the degree to which the rule's enforced has changed over time
[08:09] <elky> What a pest.
[08:11] <rww> not sure why he'd want to come back in 72 hours, though. He's not getting back in #ubuntu-women any time soon :\
[08:11] <IdleOne> rww: he has been given a 72 hour window for the bans in other channels also. I figured it was a good round number
[08:12] <IdleOne> makes him 3 for 3 now
[08:13] <rww> ah, okay, didn't know that
[08:13] <IdleOne> you would have if you were in -ops
[08:13] <IdleOne> :/
[08:13] <bazhang> yep
[08:16] <bazhang> honestly, even some non-ops should be able to idle there, like mc44
[08:16] <rww> maybe I should put on my wiki page: "I would like to be an #ubuntu op so I can hang out in #ubuntu-ops, poke at the bantracker myself, and bend the Encyclopedia plugin to my will. It is concievable that would even op up in #ubuntu at some point too."
[08:16] <rww> s/that would/that I would/
[08:16]  * rww kids, somewhat
[08:17] <bazhang> at the very least rww, and why don't you have it in -ot?
[08:17] <bazhang> there are people on that list who are long gone, and some who I have never heard of , let alone seen.
[08:17] <IdleOne> I don't agree with the non ops being in -ops but I think that all ops in ubuntu namespace should be allowed, it could only benefit the community as a whole to have all the ops together.
[08:18] <rww> people keep asking me this. I swear I remember being a pain in the backside in -offtopic for months
[08:18] <IdleOne> of course only if they want to join
[08:18] <bazhang> certain people (as mentioned above) have invaluable insight and info
[08:18] <IdleOne> rww: you were lol but would still be a good op for that channel.
[08:19] <IdleOne> bazhang: the whole allowing certain non-ops into the channel creates a divide in the community.
[08:19] <bazhang> IdleOne, not really
[08:19] <IdleOne> questions like " Why is he allowed and not me?"
[08:19] <IdleOne> you like him/favoritism and all that
[08:19] <bazhang> he was allowed for ages and ages in the past
[08:20] <bazhang> no schism burst forth then
[08:20] <IdleOne> in the past yes but the community has grown so much
[08:20] <bazhang> which does not address my point
[08:20] <IdleOne> there are a lot of people who would be assets to the ops team. They should apply :)
[08:21] <rww> then you should go convince the IRCC to ask for more ops ;P
[08:21]  * IdleOne pokes the IRCC
[08:21] <IdleOne> hehe
[08:21] <IdleOne> there is nothing stopping anyone from submitting an application to the IRCC now
[08:21] <bazhang> well that boat has sailed. the ones who did idle and no longer do won't come back willingly.
[08:22] <bazhang> no
[08:22] <bazhang> the whole point is to have people outside of the team to take an unbiased and critical look.
[08:24] <IdleOne> anybody in the community is welcome to contact the IRCC if they have concerns or suggestions to make.
[08:24] <IdleOne> I made a couple before I became a op
[08:24] <bazhang> moot at this point.
[08:25] <IdleOne> Anyway, I say rww should be allowed in -ops
[08:25]  * IdleOne makes a sign
[08:26] <bazhang> yep.
[08:36] <elky> IdleOne, do you have any concept of just how many people "all ops in the ubuntu namespace" is?
[08:37] <elky> (psst, loco channels are in the ubuntu namespace)
[08:37] <rww> I wonder what the intersection is of people who are ops in the ubuntu namespace and people who are banned from core channels
[08:38] <elky> There's a rogues in the mix, yes.
[08:38] <elky> *a few
[08:38] <elky> Not enough to count on a hand afaik, but still, more than 0
[10:59] <topyli> rww: btw your projected wiki entry, ops don't automatically get access to the bot :)
[11:00]  * topyli has no access
[16:00] <IdleOne> elky: I don't see how the number of ops in a channel makes a difference. I admit the idea is not perfect.
[16:01] <elky> IdleOne, the number of people in -ops is relevant when it comes to how people react in there.
[16:03] <IdleOne> oh you mean relevant to the user who is joining?
[16:05] <IdleOne> One day all the problems of the world will be resolved and we will have no need for governments
[16:05] <IdleOne> or in this case ops on irc
[16:05] <IdleOne> :)