[19:06] <jenkins> hmm quickshot needs a much better debian rules file
[19:06]  * jenkins adds it to the list
[19:06] <dutchie> isn't quickshot a quickly app?
[19:07] <jenkins> yea but the rules file is BAD
[19:07] <dutchie> what's wrong with it?
[19:16] <jenkins> the one for quickshot does not have any of the build clean , build and install stuff . I have never needed to look at it untill now
[19:17] <jenkins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/474619/ is quickshots one
[19:18] <dutchie> it is up on LP
[19:18] <dutchie> does it not work in some way? because that would probably be a CDBS bug...
[19:20] <jenkins> it does work but I need to get it to add the apport stuff correctly
[19:20] <jenkins> be back later dinner time
[19:20] <dutchie> ah
[19:33] <daker> anyone using the LoCo Directory API ?
[19:55]  * jenkins has had some nice food
[20:27] <dutchie> phew
[20:27] <dutchie> that was quite an email to write
[20:28] <daker> dutchie, interested ? http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_LPSWD/
[20:29] <dutchie> not really the right time for me to apply for a job now
[20:29] <dutchie> and I don't have "extensive experience" of anything really :(
[20:30] <daker> \o/
[20:31]  * daker really need to take a look at Zope
[20:38] <thorwil> dutchie: well written
[20:39] <dutchie> thorwil: thank you
[20:39] <dutchie> i think we needed that
[20:39]  * daker need to check his emails
[20:40] <dutchie> thorwil: i like your thinking about the sound menu, too
[20:40] <thorwil> heh, ty
[20:40] <thorwil> unfortunately no reactions on the ayatana list
[20:41]  * dutchie goes to write up his agenda on the wiki
[20:43] <daker> the LP guys should rethink about the homepage
[20:46] <thorwil> the project should not try again to bring out a 2nd edition
[20:46] <jenkins> dutchie: I am glad you wrote the e-mail I have not read it all yet. I wrote one to ben about the same topic and had no reply
[20:47] <thorwil> jenkins: i guess his inbox is rather full, these days :}
[20:47] <jenkins> this is how I am finding it at the moment "I'm starting to come up to a pretty busy set of
[20:47] <jenkins> holidays with dubious internet access, "
[20:48] <jenkins> dutchie: yea, I can't write this release as I am way to busy but I am happy to help people out etc and do my usual latex where i can
[20:48] <dutchie> yeah, good point thorwil
[20:48] <dutchie> if anyone sees humphreybc anywhere, give him a good poke
[20:48] <jenkins> will do
[20:49] <jenkins> I think we need to get lucid -e2 and merge the updates to it with mavrick and get some people to make the changes for lucid
[20:50] <vish> dutchie: nice!
[20:50] <jenkins> we are way behind on the planned schedule. I think what has not helped is the core team has found that they have suddenly got other things to do. I start my placement/job a week on monday and so will have even less time
[20:50] <jenkins> hey vish
[20:50] <daker> dutchie, 1500 UTC ? in GMT pls
[20:50] <vish> dutchie: "spending more time writing controversial blog posts" :D
[20:50] <dutchie> daker: UTC == GMT
[20:51] <vish> jenkins: heya
[20:51] <jenkins> vish lol i saw that bit and laughed
[20:51] <jenkins> vish what do you think of "Quickshot is a program designed for capturing a large number of screenshots in different languages. It is principally designed for use with the Ubuntu Manual Project, but should be able to be tweaked for different projects and uses." as the quickshot package description
[20:51] <jenkins> thats our current one
[20:51] <dutchie> i think popey summed it up quite well: http://twitter.com/popey/status/20564111964
[20:52] <jenkins> lol at popey
[20:52] <daker> dutchie, you forgot a item
[20:52] <vish> dutchie: i like topyli's reply , he really called out hbc' bluff
[20:52] <dutchie> daker: oh?
[20:52] <daker> Website
[20:52] <vish> dutchie: see hbc' own site for toplyi's reply
[20:52] <dutchie> daker: feel free to add to the agenda on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings
[20:53] <dutchie> wtf even is a "neck beard" anyway?
[20:53] <jenkins> pass
[20:53] <dutchie> some kiwi-ism
[20:53] <daker> oki
[20:54] <thorwil> jenkins: get the "designed for" out. it "is" ;)
[20:54] <vish> jenkins: let me pastebin a description
[20:55] <jenkins> thanks vish, I am right in thinking you are working on this stuff in ubuntu right? I know there is a massive drive to make them less techy
[20:56] <dutchie> wasn't it vish's idea initially?
[20:56] <vish> yup
[20:56] <jenkins> cool, I could not be 100% sure I read the e-mails a while ago
[20:58] <vish> jenkins: quickshot takes screenshot of specified applications or just about anything in general?
[20:58] <jenkins> applications or desktop depending on what is chossen by the project who wants them taken. There is no way for the user to set it
[21:00] <jenkins> the next release will support any project who wants to use it
[21:02] <daker> dutchie, agenda updated
[21:02] <dutchie> daker: thanks
[21:03] <vish> jenkins: cool , but now how will user use it from next release? as a user all one would need to do is just download it and run it and it takes shots in that language?
[21:04] <jenkins> vish: yep thats all the user needs to do
[21:04] <vish> jenkins: you said any project can use it right , who sets this up?
[21:05] <jenkins> the project leaders set up the requirements on the server.
[21:05] <vish> jenkins:  just a bit confused since this is not exactly similar to other applications
[21:05] <dutchie> how hardcoded is the server?
[21:06] <vish> jenkins: if someone else is setting it up , where do they download it from?
[21:06] <jenkins> dutchie: not sure flan is doing all that
[21:06] <daker> see y
[21:07] <vish> they as in everyone other than project leader ;)
[21:07] <jenkins> vish: err our website. we have not got that far as this will be the first time the server will be released. quickshot gui will be in a ppa
[21:08] <vish> jenkins: so this is basically now gonna be an app directed at project leaders , so that they can set it up and re-distribute it?
[21:09] <jenkins> nope, the app allows the user to take the screenshots. all the set up will be done online in the server set up
[21:09] <thorwil> good night!
[21:09] <jenkins> make sense?
[21:10] <vish> jenkins: sorta, now the user would have to select the project they want and those settings are used?
[21:10] <jenkins> yes , should have said that the user does choose they project they want and the settings are all called automaticlally
[21:11] <dutchie> a similar sort of setup to jono's lernid app
[21:12] <vish> jenkins: righto , now i dont see why the app is targeted at users , since a user would not be able to control anything... but it seems to be more something a project manager should be looking for
[21:13] <vish> so that raises the bar for a description ..
[21:14] <vish> jenkins: once the manager sets it up , he just has send it out to his members with steps to use it
[21:14] <vish> jenkins: am i right?
[21:14] <jenkins> well the user still has to click a menu to display it if thats what is required of the screenshot. the user may have to set up a new user account if the project requires it.
[21:14] <jenkins> your right
[21:14] <jenkins> but the instructions should be, install quickshot and choose our project
[21:15] <jenkins> then follow it
[21:15] <jenkins> it = quickshot
[21:17]  * jenkins wonders if vish is writing and essay :P
[21:17] <vish> lol!
[21:19] <vish> jenkins: cool , this is an advanced tool tbh. and not something which a novice user should/will look for.  if the description is on the website it needs to be more about its features and directed towards project managers.. hence my confusion why you want to keep it simple
[21:20] <jenkins> o right i see, i was just wanting to check if the description was ok. We would like people to go "I have a spare few minutes I will do some ubuntu stuff, I know I will do some screenshots with quickshot"
[21:22] <vish> ah , so that is your target audience!
[21:23] <jenkins> I am not very good at explaining things :?
[21:24]  * jenkins shouts at quickshot in the hope it will work
[21:30] <jenkins> thanks vish :)
[21:30]  * jenkins mentally fell asleep
[21:30] <vish> hehe!
[21:36] <vish> jenkins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/474654/  how does this sound?
[21:37] <vish> err , should have been "multi-lingual"
[21:39] <dutchie> hi there nisshh
[21:39] <nisshh> dutchie: hey
[21:40] <nisshh> keep hitting ctrl+d in the terminal
[21:40] <dutchie> hehe
[21:40] <dutchie> i do that
[21:40] <nisshh> annoys the crap out of me
[21:40] <nisshh> yea
[21:40] <dutchie> i go to press ctrl-w to delete the last word, catch the shift key, and ctrl-shift-w closes the terminal window
[21:41] <nisshh> hehe
[21:41] <nisshh> dutchie: have you ever tried a tiling window manager?
[21:41] <dutchie> yes
[21:41] <nisshh> oh
[21:41] <godbyk> I keep hitting Ctrl+L when I think my browser has focus and it ends up clearing my xchat or terminal windows because they still have focus.
[21:41] <nisshh> which ones?
[21:41] <godbyk> Where's my focus-follows-gaze option?
[21:41] <nisshh> lol
[21:41] <dutchie> awesome
[21:41] <jenkins> thanks vish thats great !
[21:41] <dutchie> er
[21:41] <dutchie> another one
[21:42] <nisshh> yea
[21:42] <vish> jenkins: np..
[21:42] <nisshh> awesome is not bad
[21:42] <dutchie> i find that terminator is close enough to a tiling wm without being insan
[21:42] <dutchie> e
[21:42] <godbyk> Ooh, Ctrl+W bites me all the time. I use it in vim to delete a word.  It doesn't do that when I'm composing an email with gmail.
[21:42] <nisshh> iv tried awesome wmii ratpoison xmonad dwm, and a few more
[21:42] <dutchie> i do that in web forms too :)
[21:42] <dutchie> xmonad!
[21:42] <dutchie> that's the other one
[21:42] <nisshh> heh
[21:43] <nisshh> currently using wmii
[21:43] <jenkins> so vish one down how many to go?
[21:43] <nisshh> wmii <- best one
[21:43] <nisshh> vish: what are you doing?
[21:43] <vish> jenkins: lol! there are so many bugs , would like more help there ;)
[21:44] <vish> nisshh: cleaning up app description :)
[21:44] <nisshh> vish: ah
[21:44] <jenkins> vish: well I will add it to the list of things to help with, but I am quite busy atm
[21:44]  * nisshh is currently reading a very very long extensive ubuntu rant
[21:45] <dutchie> oh no, not *that* one
[21:45] <vish> nisshh: stop now and dont wast your time ;)
[21:45] <dutchie> anyone who mentions it is getting kicked ;)
[21:45] <nisshh> which one?
[21:45] <jenkins> lol mentions what?
[21:45] <dutchie> *that* blog post
[21:45] <jenkins> which one dutchie :P
[21:46] <vish> nisshh: dont read the rant! there can be only one!
[21:46] <nisshh> whcih frigging one?
[21:46] <nisshh> :)
[21:46] <vish> *he who shall not be named!*
[21:46] <vish> </potter reference>
[21:47] <nisshh> yea
[21:47] <nisshh> i know the one you mean
[21:47] <nisshh> bens one
[21:47] <nisshh> on omg
[21:47] <nisshh> i was reading that one
[21:48] <nisshh> vish: no, i was kidding, i was reading this one -> http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/08/05/is-ubuntu-becoming-more-of-a-pain-to-set-up-than-windows/
[21:49] <nisshh> and yes
[21:49] <nisshh> i agree with it
[21:49] <vish> oooh! yay rants!
[21:51] <nisshh> its one of the most sensible rants iv ever seen
[21:53] <jenkins> popey must have seen the word rant and left to take his eyes out
[21:53] <godbyk> lol
[21:54] <dutchie> "Deleting useful programs to make way for more Mono" # wow
[21:54] <nisshh> hehe
[21:55] <dutchie> f-spot isn't even in the install any more...
[21:55] <nisshh> dutchie: its a bit dated, since fspot is being removed
[21:56] <nisshh> one thing i agree with is the fact that Ubuntu is trying to be linux but at the same time, trying to be windows
[21:56] <nisshh> ITS FRIGGING STUPID!
[21:57] <jenkins> godbyk: / dutchie what was with that translation import this morning?
[21:57] <dutchie> i don't even know any more
[21:57] <nisshh> jenkins: the settings got changed
[21:57] <dutchie> actually, i never knew
[21:58] <jenkins> nisshh: what settings?
[21:58] <nisshh> jenkins: dutchie it was you who changed them silly :)
[21:58] <nisshh> jenkins: the translations settings
[21:58] <dutchie> shouldn't have caused an import thoug
[21:58] <dutchie> h
[21:58] <nisshh> dpm came in here a while ago/last night and requested they be changed
[21:58] <nisshh> so dutchie did it
[21:59] <jenkins> what was changed out of interest?
[21:59] <nisshh> dutchie: i thought thats what it did
[21:59]  * nisshh shrugs
[21:59] <dutchie> jenkins: disabling the auto-import
[21:59] <nisshh> something about having to do translations manually
[21:59] <godbyk> yeah, you enabled auto-import, so it, well, automatically imported the template.
[21:59] <jenkins> i thought auto-import  was disabled? and thats how we wanted it
[21:59] <godbyk> that's why it was disabled in the first place. :)
[22:00] <nisshh> wtf....
[22:00] <dutchie> i changed the auto import from pot+po to just pot
[22:00] <jenkins> ok so that means ...
[22:01] <jenkins> I have no clue what the pot does apart from when it is used for a plant :)
[22:01] <dutchie> pot is the template for translation
[22:01] <godbyk> the pot file is what provides the list of strings that need to be translated.
[22:02] <jenkins> rigth and assumably the minimum needed to translate in launchpad?
[22:02] <godbyk> my stance on all this translation stuff is that I prefer to have all the automatic stuff disabled because it does things that frighten and confuse me.  I only want the translations to be affected when someone makes a conscious decision to do so.
[22:03] <godbyk> yeah, so launchpad reads the pot file and uses that to present the list of strings to the translators.
[22:03] <godbyk> if you change the pot file, then the strings for the translators change, too.
[22:03] <jenkins> I agree with godbyk that way we know when and why it happens. also anyone can change the pot file
[22:04] <godbyk> yeah, since anyone can commit to the bzr repository, anyone can change the pot file at any time.
[22:04] <jenkins> dutchie: which page do you change all this? for reference
[22:04] <godbyk> someone could be evil and change all the strings in the pot file and force a LOT of extra work on the translators.
[22:04] <jenkins> exactly
[22:04] <dutchie> jenkins: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1/+translations-settings
[22:05] <jenkins> but who has the authority to do the import our sleves?
[22:05] <jenkins> thanks dutchie as that is lucid-e1 can it not be set to none?
[22:06] <dutchie> suppose so
[22:06] <godbyk> I would set e1, e2, maverick, all of 'em to 'none' for now.
[22:06] <dutchie> yeah
[22:07]  * jenkins does his first quickshot commit in a month
[22:07] <jenkins> I have just been so busy
[22:08] <jenkins> right I have to go an pick up my sister, talk tomorrow o/
[22:09] <jenkins> night all