[01:08] <hggdh> I point out that if you use this response you are required to adjust the package
[03:06] <crom> Hi...I'm trying to "hciconfig -a hci0 up" and I get the error "Can't init device hci0: Unknown error 132 (132)"     any idea?
[03:10] <crom> hi....any one there?
[03:11] <bcurtiswx> If u have a question ask it
[03:12] <crom> i did.... but.... Hi...I'm trying to "hciconfig -a hci0 up" and I get the error "Can't init device hci0: Unknown error 132 (132)"     any idea?
[03:12] <nigelb> !support
[03:12] <ubot2> The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[03:12] <nigelb> This is only a channel for reporting and triaging bugs.
[03:13] <crom> yeah, i know....and from that channel I was sent to this one
[03:13] <crom> some one told me that it was a bug
[03:14] <bcurtiswx> Crom, search bugs.launchpad.net to see for your issue
[03:16] <crom> thanks
[05:36] <somethinginteres> is there a way to make a debdiff from the file attachted to a debian bug report e.g. 'tmpi1kkQT'. I have been asked to make a debdiff and attach it to the LP bug report but I've had to reformat and no longer have the original file from the 'apt-get source' I ran
[05:53] <hggdh> somethinginteres: you can run 'pull-lp-source <package> <distro>
[05:53] <hggdh> like pull-lp-source coreutils lucid
[05:54] <hggdh> pull-lp-source is in the python-software-properties package
[05:54]  * hggdh calls it a day
[06:11] <micahg> somethinginteres: hggdh: actually, it's in ubuntu-dev-tools
[06:43] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[06:56] <cmxued> sup peeps
[06:56] <cmxued> I created a thread on the ubuntu forums http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1440142 some time ago, before the release of Lucid
[06:57] <dandel> i'm looking to request a sync after debian import freeze, however i'm not exactly certain as to the steps to take.
[06:57] <cmxued> It appears that this could possibly be a bug but I am not sure what package to log it under, can anyone assist me?
[06:58] <maco> dandel: the requestsync script could help
[06:58] <dandel> maco, request sync?
[06:58] <dandel> it's a package that doesn't exist.
[06:59] <dandel> libva
[06:59] <maco> dandel: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dev-tools
[06:59] <micahg> dandel: in ubuntu--dev-tolls
[06:59] <micahg> *tools
[06:59] <micahg> dandel: libva is in maverick already
[06:59] <maco> micahg: are you the debian micah or are there two micahs?
[06:59] <dandel> is it... i couldn't find it in the package site.
[06:59] <micahg> maco: multiple probably :)
[06:59] <maco> dandel: packages.ubuntu.com is not working for maverick i think
[07:00] <maco> dandel: i suggest using rmadison instead
[07:00] <micahg> dandel: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libva
[07:00] <maco> thats in the devscripts package
[07:00] <micahg> dandel: did you file the bug about it?
[07:00]  * micahg updated that bug
[07:00] <dandel> yea
[07:01] <dandel> it's for a backport, and actually, ffmpeg has a build dependency on that.
[07:01] <micahg> cmxued: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging
[07:02] <cmxued> micahg: ta, ill take a look
[07:02] <maco> dandel: a backport and a sync are two different things
[07:03] <dandel> i didn't find the libva on the archive download site so i could build on ubuntu 10.04.
[07:05] <dandel> micahg, i was trying to get libva from the archive.ubuntu.com, however the libva folder is empty.
[07:05] <micahg> dandel: install ubuntu-dev-tools: pull-lp-source libva
[07:05] <maco> wait woah whats this wrapper?
[07:05] <maco> ubuntu-dev-tools has a bunch of new things i dont know about
[07:06] <maco> cmxued: is it only with fullscreen?
[07:07] <maco> cmxued: or do 1024x768 windows play video while you're at high res?
[07:07] <cmxued> maco: even when the app, for example vlc is not maximised, the video is blank
[07:08] <cmxued> maco: the video only appears after I run my xranr commands
[07:08] <maco> mmm ok
[07:08] <cmxued> maco: found this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/DynamicMultiMonitor
[07:09] <cmxued> maco: but you shouldnt have to do this, it should be built in
[07:10] <cmxued> maco: so my question remains, if this is a bug, do I log it under xrandr?
[07:11] <maco> its a bug in xorg
[07:11] <maco> or well looks like one
[07:11] <maco> this is only in vlc or other players too?
[07:11] <cmxued> maco: does not make a difference what player
[07:12] <cmxued> its all video
[07:12] <cmxued> basically, until I turn off the netbook screen and turn it back on.  I have just made use of xranr to control where I want my screens and at what resolution after I turn it back on
[07:13] <cmxued> So I guess I'll just log a bug under xorg and update my thread with Jerry's neat start up script
[07:15] <cmxued> Thanks for the lead micahg, maco
[07:17] <maco> k yeah id say xorg then
[07:18] <maco> if it was only certain players id guess gstreamer v. xine v. vlc etc
[07:18] <cmxued> yeah, certainly all video regardless of the player
[07:34] <cmxued> maco: Bug Reported -  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/614921
[07:34] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 614921 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Video playback blank at 1900 x 1200 resolution (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[08:07] <somethinginteres> micahg: so the only solution is for me is to re-do the changes and create a debdiff from that - I was hoping to not have to do that.. oh well, no biggy
[08:08] <vish> somethinginteres: hey there , yeah , what micahg mentioned ;)
[08:09] <vish> somethinginteres: was just about to comment on the bug
[08:29] <stanley_robertso> hi vish
[08:29] <vish> stanley_robertso: hey
[08:45] <somethinginteres> vish: cool cool I should use pull-lp-source acm mavrick - right, since mavrick is the current focus of the 100 papercuts?
[08:45] <vish> somethinginteres: yup for maverick
[08:52] <maco> somethinginteres: there's an "e" in maverick
[08:52] <somethinginteres> maco: yeah - typo, thanks :)
[08:53] <maco> aww crap
[08:53] <maco> battery died in the middle of an upgrade to maverick
[08:53] <maco> kernel panic on boot :(
[08:54] <micahg> somethinginteres: pull-lp-source defaults to the devel release
[08:55] <maco> hmm seems to me that pull-lp-source should use bzr, but the manpage sounds like it's a dget
[08:55] <micahg> maco: not everything is in bzr yet
[08:59] <somethinginteres> micahg: kk
[09:44] <somethinginteres> you're all going to have to excuse my n00bness. I've made the changes to the relevant files pulled from pull-lp-source, I've run debuild -S now I'm trying to create the debdiff file itself. What's the best way to do this? I'm a little confused by the presumably simple walkthough :)
[09:45] <micahg> somethinginteres: debdiff :)
[09:46] <somethinginteres> like this 'debdiff acm_5.0-27ubuntu1.dsc acm_5.0-27ubuntu2.dsc > acm_5.0-27ubuntu2.debdiff'?
[09:46] <micahg> somethinginteres: yep
[09:47] <somethinginteres> yigats I hope I have it right :P there where two .dsc files in the folder one 'ubuntu1' and one 'ubuntu2' so I figured I should check, thanks
[09:49] <micahg> somethinginteres: well, generally debdiff dev_version.dsc your_version.dsc >  my_debdiff.dff
[09:56] <somethinginteres> micag: no worries, should be all good. Thanks
[10:55] <khuno> bonjour !
[10:55] <khuno> hello !
[10:55] <yofel> !hi
[10:56] <ubot2> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-bugs! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!
[10:56] <khuno> hm
[10:56] <khuno> quelqu'un parle français ?
[10:56] <devildante> marhaban :p
[10:56] <yofel> !fr
[10:56] <ubot2> Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc. Merci.
[10:56] <khuno> c'est pour signaler un bug.
[10:56]  * micahg has to remember that factoid :)
[10:56] <khuno> go to #ubuntu-fr.
[10:57] <yofel> I know we have french speaking people here, I can remember who though :/
[10:57] <devildante> yofel: Je parle français :)
[10:57] <yofel> ah :)
[10:57] <khuno> je tente ici ?
[10:58] <devildante> khuno: quel est ton problème?
[10:58] <khuno> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 7100 GS] (rev a1)  <-
[10:58] <khuno> quand j'installe les pilotes nvidia la carte graph n'envoit plus aucun signal.
[10:58] <khuno> est ce lié à ma carte ? au pilote nvidia proprio ?
[10:58] <jfi> khuno, ce canal est pas dedie au support mais plutot a la gestion des bugs, utilisations de launchpad, etc
[10:59] <khuno> depuis la 10 impossible d'installer le driver.
[10:59] <jfi> khuno, pour le support, le mieux est de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr
[10:59] <khuno> jfi: ça ressemble à un bug non ?
[10:59] <khuno> c'est pas une histoire de mauvaise configuration..
[10:59] <jfi> khuno, oui, mais tu es pas sur le bon canal la:)
[10:59] <khuno> okok =)
[10:59] <khuno> sorry.
[10:59] <devildante> khuno: vas à #ubuntu-fr :)
[11:00] <abhijit> hello
[11:22] <vish> somethinginteres: hmm , you took out the whole description
[11:22] <vish> the first line is the short description
[11:23] <vish> the second line after "Description:" is where the package description starts
[11:24] <l3dx> I keep getting mails when wiki-pages are updated. I don't want them, and I cannot remember how I got them in the first place. Does anyone know? :)
[11:24] <vish> somethinginteres: the short description sounds fine , what your patch would do is , remove the whole description that occurs in SC
[11:24] <l3dx> my wiki user-account has no registered expressions for wikipages
[11:25] <vish> l3dx: unsubscribe to the bugsquad mailing list
[11:26] <l3dx> is it part of the bugsquad list? hm. guess I'll just have to filter them to a separate label or something then
[11:26] <l3dx> thanks
[12:27] <somethinginteres> vish: really? How so?
[12:35] <somethinginteres> vish: ah, wait. I see. I'll fix it
[13:13] <vish> somethinginteres: could you add a little more info about it than jsut having one line?
[13:25] <somethinginteres> vish: could do. I just added what was suggested by the submitter - I'll expand on it tonight gotta head off for a bit
[13:33] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[13:33] <devildante> stanley: hi
[13:33] <stanley_robertso> hi devildante
[13:33] <stanley_robertso> wassup
[13:34] <devildante> stanley: all is fine :)
[13:35] <stanley_robertso> devildante, cool
[13:54] <stanley_robertso> hi all.. iam back
[14:03] <penguin42> Hi SR
[14:22] <somethinginteres> vish: This is taken from the game's site and README file, http://paste.ubuntu.com/474954/ thoughts? I am thinking the last two points may be too nerdy to include, let me know. Thanks
[14:25] <vish> somethinginteres: wow! nice work! , yeah it would need a bit of an edit .. let me edit and pastebin
[14:26] <somethinginteres>  vish: no problem
[14:29] <vish> somethinginteres: just a minor edit, no need to repeat the package name in the description , http://paste.ubuntu.com/474956/ , pretty good work with the description! :)
[14:31] <vish> somethinginteres: when you upload the debdiff , be sure to delete the old diffs and forward this new one to debian too
[14:32] <vish> somethinginteres: when you are writing other descriptions , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter/PackageDescriptions might be useful too
[15:16] <somethinginteres> vish: how do I remove the other debdiffs? I presume when I submittodebian I unlink the current report from LP and link the new one?
[15:21] <vish> somethinginteres: i dont think we can delete from debian , but we can delete in launchpad
[15:22] <vish> somethinginteres: in lp see under "attachments" , you will have a link to "edit" , once you click that you can delete from lp
[16:01] <njin> hello, can someone help with this bug 380471 seems that this person have the disk that is going bad looking at syslog
[16:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 380471 in ubuntu "Movie Player crashes the system (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/380471
[16:03] <penguin42> njin: Well, from the xorg.0.log he's running the firegl ati drivers, so I'd suggest filing it against that
[16:04] <njin> penguin42: hello, i file against then, but all these error on syslog ?
[16:06] <penguin42> njin: Hmm that looks like a hardware problem - bad sata cable maybe; you could ask him to try and fix that first?
[16:07] <yofel> njin: why did you mark the bug invalid btw? The reporter only said that he doesn't know if it happens on lucid, that's because he's still running jaunty and we still support that
[16:09] <njin_> penguin42: sorry, connection problems
[16:10] <yofel> njin_: why did you mark the bug invalid btw? The reporter only said that he doesn't know if it happens on lucid, that's because he's still running jaunty and we still support that
[16:10] <yofel> So until we get some steps to reproduce this the bug is Incomplete, but not Invalid
[16:11] <penguin42> njin: Hmm that looks like a hardware problem - bad sata cable maybe; you could ask him to try and fix that first?
[16:11] <yofel> well, the steps are there, but I guess nobody reproduced it yet
[16:12] <njin_> ok
[16:15]  * penguin42 wonders why chromium has decided the right program to open a .log file with is notepad under wine
[16:15] <BUGabundo> lolol
[16:16] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[16:18] <penguin42> njin_: The other file you might have asked for is Xorg.0.log.old which is the previous Xorg.0.log so if you take this when you restart just after a crash it might show what happened if you are lucky
[16:19] <njin_> penguin42: ok, i'll remember, now i acconseil to verify his hardware and make a backup
 njin: Hmm that looks like a hardware problem - bad sata cable maybe; you could ask him to try and fix that first?
[16:25]  * penguin42 looks at jfi
[16:25] <jfi> which line means that it is a sata cable issue? I have the same kind of errors on my server
[16:27] <penguin42> jfi: Well the fact it's ata2 is ide or sata; there are lots of SATA link down and it flipping between 1.5Gbps and 3.0Gbps so that looks like link level rather than a sector error
[16:28] <penguin42> jfi: There is also something about SError: { CommWake 10B8B DevExch } - now I don't know much about SATA, but I know 10B8B is a comment serial encoding, so if it's having problems at that level it's all low level
[16:31] <jfi> ok, so I am going to change my cable before reporting the bug (in my case I reproduce it when the disk is turn on after being idle with hdparm -S100)
[16:31] <jfi> thx
[16:32] <penguin42> his errors are pretty close in time, so I doubt it's that type of power on/off - although if it's an agressive power save it could be
[16:35] <jfi> I have the same sequence each 1 or 2s after the power on, it is an infinite loop, I had to manually power off/on the disk each time
[16:37] <njin_> someone can take a hand with this bug388943
[16:41] <charlie-tca> bug 388943
[16:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 388943 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "chown all local drives to current user (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/388943
[16:46] <Phantomas> I am translating server documentation and found a bug: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/lamp-overview.html
[16:46] <Phantomas> In the list, the third line says: "Depending on where the source was extracted, configure a web browser to serve the files."  I guess it should be configure a web server to serve the files, as web browsers don't serve files
[16:47] <charlie-tca> njin: bug 388943, The source should have been changed to "dolphin", which is the file manager the bug is reported against.
[16:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 388943 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "chown all local drives to current user (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/388943
[16:48] <njin> charlie-tca:thanks i changed the router
[16:48] <charlie-tca> I would mark the bug either low or wishlist, confirmed, since the reporter is asking that permissions as a feature in Ubuntu be changed. He is correct, you can not mount anything in /media as the user
[16:49] <charlie-tca> Yet, you should be able to if you were the owner in any other OS
[16:50] <njin> charlie-tca: but my replies aren't right  ?
[16:51] <charlie-tca> Tĥey are correct if the issue is one of security, but you should have changed the "affects" when telling how to find the right package. As for windows, it does not apply
[16:52] <charlie-tca> What he is asking for, is default already in other linux distributions, but not in Ubuntu.
[16:52] <charlie-tca> Therefore, it is a valid wishlist bug for Ubuntu
[16:53] <njin> But i think that the security policy of ubuntu are better than others
[16:53] <charlie-tca> You could even ask for the specific distributions that do this, but the bug is valid
[16:54] <njin> ok i accept your decision.
[16:54] <charlie-tca> If I have a /home in Fedora, and I move that to Ubuntu, I should be allowed to access the files as the user. Instead, in Ubuntu, I can only access them as root?
[16:56] <penguin42> woah - that very much depends what's on them
[16:56] <penguin42> you might have multiple users on that drive
[16:56] <charlie-tca> His point is valid, he should be able to access those files of his as the user, if he could previously. However, it would take some kind of magic through the install
[16:57] <charlie-tca> I never it would be easy to implement. But the argument the reporter gives is valid
[16:58] <charlie-tca> s/never it/ never said it
[16:59] <njin> s/never it/ never said it what means ?
[16:59] <charlie-tca> penguin42: note I said "If I have". Not if there are multiple users...
[16:59] <charlie-tca> Instead of <charlie-tca> I never it would be easy to implement. But the argument the reporter gives is valid
[17:00] <charlie-tca> I meant to say "I never said it would be easy to implement."
[17:00] <penguin42> njin: s/something/other is a syntax used in vi to mean a search/replace - people use it to mean a correction in irc as well
[17:00] <charlie-tca> Just because it is difficult to make it happen, does not make a bug invalid.
[17:01] <penguin42> charlie-tca: Hmm the only things I could really suggest as a solution would be a right menu option of change-all-permissions to me or an import drive thing
[17:02] <njin> users and group is not helpful in this case ?
[17:02] <hggdh> somethinginteres, micahg: heh, indeed. I was thinking of pull-lp-source, and gave the package for add-apt-repository. Sorry.
[17:02] <charlie-tca> That's why it is a valid wishlist. It could be done at a future date, since it is not something that will happen easily
[17:03] <charlie-tca> penguin42: Ours is not to try to give a solution always. We triage the bugs for the developers to be able to work on solutions
[17:04] <penguin42> charlie-tca: Yeh
[17:04] <charlie-tca> njin: no, users and group is not helpful, because even if the reporter was the previous owner, he no longer owns the files in /media
[17:05] <njin> ok
[17:05] <hggdh> keep in mind that the *name* of an user (or group) is not really important -- it is the numeric userId (or groupId) that is important
[17:06] <charlie-tca> We do not have to give a solution or workaround for every bug. We just try to get enough information for the developers to be able to try to resolve the issue later.
[17:06] <njin> good.
[17:06] <njin> charlie-tca: then triage you this ?, i can only confirm
[17:07] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:07] <njin> ubuntu-bugs is a well site to stay !
[17:09] <charlie-tca> done
[17:10] <charlie-tca> njin: Can you understand why I think it is valid wishlist now?
[17:10] <njin> yes.
[17:10] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[17:10]  * hggdh hugs charlie-tca
[17:10] <hggdh> :-)
[17:11]  * charlie-tca learned from the best! Thanks, hggdh 
[17:35] <darran> hey
[17:35] <darran> can someone here mark a bug sa wishlist?
[17:35] <darran> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/615033
[17:35] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 615033 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Can't choose where to install grub in ubiquity (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[17:35] <darran> believe that one is wishlist
[17:44] <hggdh> darran: so you have confirmed there is no way for choosing where to install Grub?
[17:45] <darran> i havent been able to confirm yet
[17:45] <darran> i am trying to run the installer in a virtual machine
[17:45] <darran> but its crashing
[17:46] <darran> i will see if its under advanced options when i get to that page
[17:46] <darran> hggdh
[17:46] <darran> do you know if ubiquity is different than the standard installer?
[17:47] <hggdh> drizzle: I monstly live in the server world, where the installer is the debian-installer...
[17:47] <drizzle> understood
[17:48] <hggdh> so the d-i is the standard isntaller for me. So, yes, ubiquity is different ;-)
[17:48] <charlie-tca> Ubiquity is the standard installer for the destkop cd
[17:48] <hggdh> thanks, charlie-tca
[17:48] <drizzle> im using the installer rightnow
[17:48] <drizzle> there is no way to specify grub location using the installer
[17:48] <drizzle> its not under advanced settings either
[17:49] <charlie-tca> That is correct
[17:49] <charlie-tca> To choose where to install grub, you need the alternate image
[17:49] <charlie-tca> To the best of my memory
[17:49] <hggdh> drizzle: good: you have confirmed there is no option in the standard installer for choose where to put grub
[17:49] <hggdh> now
[17:50] <hggdh> if there *is* such an option on the alternate installer, then this is not a bug
[17:50] <hggdh> but a choice
[17:50] <penguin42> By 'where' do you mean mbr or partition or directory?
[17:50] <drizzle> i saw a forum post that recommended the alternate installer
[17:51] <drizzle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/615033
[17:51] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 615033 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Can't choose where to install grub in ubiquity (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[17:51] <drizzle> that is the bug penguin42
[17:52] <penguin42> that's a pretty common requirement for dual booting people isn't it?
[17:52] <drizzle> hmm
[17:52] <drizzle> i guess i need to wait on this one
[17:52] <drizzle> i have installed on dual boot many times
[17:53] <drizzle> but i choose automatic installation typically
[17:53]  * penguin42 should try the new installer
[17:54] <drizzle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eog/+bug/614936
[17:54] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 614936 in eog (Ubuntu) "Unable to save as .gif (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[17:54] <drizzle> is a support question i reckon
[17:55] <penguin42> I guess it could be a wishlist; but you could advise to use gimp or something else to do it in the interim
[17:55] <penguin42> (personally I'd use ImageMagick's convert )
[17:56] <drizzle> it looks like its been logged a few imes
[18:06] <drizzle> guys
[18:06] <drizzle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eog/+bug/614936
[18:06] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 614936 in eog (Ubuntu) "Unable to save as .gif (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[18:06] <drizzle> is upstream and wad
[18:07] <drizzle> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103953
[18:07] <ubot2> Gnome bug 103953 in general "Save as does not work for gif files" [Normal,Resolved: notabug]
[18:12] <hggdh> but the gnome bug was closed not-a-bug
[18:13] <hggdh> a looong time ago...
[18:14] <hggdh> even more: what Ubntu version, and what eog version? The OP does not say.
[18:14] <hggdh> drizzle: ^
[18:15] <drizzle> sorry
[18:15] <drizzle> should i ask him?
[18:15] <drizzle> even the newest version of eog is not supposed to support saving gif by default
[18:15] <hggdh> yes, please. Be nice when asking ;-)
[18:16] <hggdh> drizzle: you confirmed, of course?
[18:17] <drizzle> yes
[18:17] <drizzle> it says on the project website
[18:17] <drizzle> http://projects.gnome.org/eog/
[18:18] <hggdh> hum. yes indeed. Now, is there a plugin to do it?
[18:21] <hggdh> no, there is not, at least not documented in the home page
[18:22] <hggdh> so this would be a WishList, and a new upstream should be opened (perhaps already there) asking for support for saving .gif
[18:44] <njin> hello, we have to solve the Laibsch - njin bug 376485
[18:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 376485 in ubuntu ""Key stuck" after switching workspace in Gnome with Keyboard shortcut (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/376485
[18:50] <hggdh> ni njin
[18:51] <hggdh> njin: Laibsch does have a point -- if you use the canned response bugs-without-a-package, you are also expected to assign the bug to a package
[18:51] <hggdh> and you did not ;-)
[18:53] <hggdh> My gut feeling is that this is associated with X somehow
[18:54] <charlie-tca> Isn't laibsch also bug-control?
[18:54] <hggdh> charlie-tca: I do not remember, let me check
[18:55] <hggdh> charlie-tca: heh. Indeed he is
[18:55] <hggdh> hum
[18:55] <charlie-tca> Then why isn't he assigning the correct package?
[18:55]  * charlie-tca shrugs
[18:55] <hggdh> I had a long chat with him yesterday, and I did point out about using "Ubuntu" as a package placeholder
[18:56] <hggdh> he *did* accept my arguments
[18:56] <charlie-tca> okay, it just seems like he is very quick to point out what everyone else does wrong
[18:56] <hggdh> so I expect he will be putting in a less-incorrect package from now on
[18:56] <charlie-tca> (at least in his opinion)
[18:57] <hggdh> he is. We also talked about that
[18:57] <hggdh> I also pointed out that being dry to the point of rudeness is not conductive to a good iteraction
[18:57]  * charlie-tca back to watching and learning
[18:58] <hggdh> no, no need to lurk. This type of discussion is actually extremely good for the lurkers-at-large to learn ;-)
[18:59] <hggdh> njin: do you understand my point?
[19:05] <charlie-tca> I am sorry. I did not mean to interrupt the assistance here
[19:07] <hggdh> charlie-tca: you did not, at all. You actually made a good point -- and I hope my answer will sort of clarify that we (the bugsquad admins) do monitor and act
[19:08] <charlie-tca> yes, it does
[19:14] <njin> hggdh: no i don't understand, i have a little brain
[19:15] <njin> and i am old
[19:16]  * charlie-tca too
[19:16] <charlie-tca> (old with a little brain, that is)
[19:16] <njin> harlie-tca: i'm 44 YO
[19:17] <njin> or oy depend of the pain
[19:17] <charlie-tca> a young one, yet, then
[19:18] <njin> but i don't uderstand what hggdh said
[19:19] <charlie-tca> (at 44, I was just getting a journeyman plumber license, after 4 years of classes
[19:20] <njin> at 42  i've got a cervical disease so make attention at the posture in front of the monitor
[19:21]  * hggdh has gove past 50 some years ago...
[19:21] <vish> charlie-tca: journeyman?
[19:21] <hggdh> njin: what is your doubt?
[19:21]  * vish liked the show journeyman!
[19:21] <vish> which seems unfortunately cancelled :(
[19:21] <charlie-tca> Yeah, in Idaho, you apprentice, journeyman, contractor.
[19:22] <vish> Journeyman : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0948538/
[19:23] <charlie-tca> heh
[19:24] <njin> hggdh: i'm thinking to assign the bug at xserver-xorg
[19:25] <njin> hggdh: He makes me excuse to hurt me
[19:25] <njin> I think that he's a good person that has a bad moment
[19:28] <hggdh> njin: I would say setting it to xserver-xorg-input-evdev would be more correct -- his is a problem with an input device (the keyboard)
[19:28] <hggdh> or to xserver-xorg-input-all, more generically
[19:29] <njin> and input-kbd
[19:29] <hggdh> njin: yes, even more to the point
[19:30] <hggdh> njin: but the important thing here is you have to assign a package when you use the canned response; if you are unsure, do not add the response, and ask for help
[19:30] <hggdh> and -- when you assign a package, add your reasoning as a comment, so that others may understand what made you do it
[19:31] <Darxus> Anybody know of a way to verify that /usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/FreeSans.ttf contains anything useful?  (Bug #615078)
[19:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615078 in povray (Ubuntu) "Character 101 (0x65) not found in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/FreeSans.ttf (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615078
[19:31] <njin> hggdh:ok, i assign the bug to xserver-xorg-input-kbd asking him to add apport collect -p xserver-xorg-input-kbd bugnumbre
[19:31] <hggdh> njin: perfect
[19:32] <njin> and give explication
[19:33] <vish> njin: btw , scim is no longer installed by default
[19:33] <vish> we now use Ibus , you could mention that on the bug too
[19:34] <vish> njin: in Laibsch's bug he mentions scim
[19:35] <njin> but he is talkig about jaunty, and at that time there was already ibus?
[19:35] <vish> njin: nope , we switch i think for karmic
[19:37] <Darxus> This looks like a useful answer to my question:  $ convert -background lightblue -fill blue -pointsize 48   -font /usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/FreeSans.ttf label:test fonttest.png
[19:37] <penguin42> ImageMagick solves all problems not solved by duck tape and symlinks
[19:39] <hggdh> Darxus: I do not have a 10.04, but on 10.10 the 0x0065 displays correctly
[19:41] <Darxus> hggdh: Thanks.  That's pretty bizarre.  I also tested compiling from upstream source and got the same problem.
[19:41] <hggdh> Darxus: at least on fontforge
[19:41] <hggdh> Darxus: which is to say: I ran fontforge, and loaded /usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/FreeSans.ttf. 0x0065 is there
[19:41] <Darxus> hggdh: Ahh, okay, thanks.
[20:08] <njin> i've got a problem with launchpad, i've received the emails of the attachment of the reporter, but at the bug page nothings appear bug 371028
[20:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 371028 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 9.04 mounting issue digital camera showing a window popup message: -60 could not lock the device message, after mounts and launch twice (affects: 6) (dups: 1) (heat: 30)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371028
[20:11] <yofel> njin: you mean the attachements in comments 12-14 or was something added after you assigned the bug to the kernel?
[20:11] <njin> no before that i assign the bug
[20:13] <njin> yofel: the step 16 is done by the reporter, but nothing appear on the page
[20:14] <njin> yofel: nothing, my brain is smaller than that i think
[20:15] <njin> these mails are for the reported lines, sorry
[20:38] <njin> i have to assign a bug to the gnome-volume-control, i choose the package from the search box, but when i click save it return the error: u'Package gnome-volume-control not published in Ubuntu'
[20:41] <charlie-tca> That's because the source is gnome-media
[20:43] <charlie-tca> njin: I use https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search to find the right source packages
[20:44] <njin> charlie-tca: i use the triangle in the jellow bar
[20:44] <charlie-tca> When you try gnome-media?
[20:46] <njin> charlie-tca: now works, but why we have gnome-volume-control with the same source and don't work
[20:47] <charlie-tca> It doesn't exist as a separate package in ubuntu. gnome-volume-control-pulse is part of the gnome-media source packages
[20:47] <charlie-tca> You have binaries and you have source code. The affects is the source code package, which may not be the same name as the binary package.
[20:48] <njin> no, i'm talking about launchpad
[20:49] <njin> I have to report this bug ?
[20:49] <charlie-tca> I don't know where you are getting the gnome-volume-control from. When I search launchpad for packages, I do not see that package. I get "gnome-media" instead.
[20:50] <charlie-tca> I don't think that is a bug. I think gnome-volume-control is an old package or it is used for upstream reports.
[20:50] <njin> charlie-tca: open a bug, in the yellow bar there's a triangle, click it and click choose and type gnome-volume-control
[20:50] <charlie-tca> If it is upstream, you can find it, but it will not be valid in ubuntu.
[20:51] <charlie-tca> That does not make it a valid source for Ubuntu.
[20:51] <charlie-tca> There are many upstream packages that you can not use as Ubuntu source packages
[20:51] <njin> yes is not valid , it propose it but don't accept
[20:52] <njin> ah, ok
[20:52] <njin> then i will use your link, thanks
[20:52] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[20:53] <njin> Is one honour
[20:57] <hggdh> one easy way for finding which package carries a file is by using apt-file: apt-file search gnome-volume-control
[21:25] <drizzle> guys
[21:25] <drizzle> what do we do if something is a partial duplicate
[21:26] <drizzle> but the bugs are related to typos?
[21:26] <yofel> drizzle: about bug 615042 - that's something that should be sent upstream to https://alioth.debian.org/projects/bash-completion/ (click on Tracker for bug reports)
[21:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615042 in bash-completion (Ubuntu) "MPlayer completion rules complete only specific files (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615042
[21:26] <drizzle> yea
[21:26] <drizzle> where upstream? to bash or to mplayer?
[21:26] <yofel> drizzle: use the link I posted, upstream is the bash-completino project
[21:27] <yofel> *bash-completion
[21:27] <drizzle> ok
[21:27] <drizzle> so how do we handle this?
[21:27] <yofel> drizzle: errr, what bug # ? (the typos)
[21:29] <drizzle> how do we link the bash completion project to 615042
[21:29] <drizzle> i marked a bug as duplicate and now i can't find it
[21:29] <drizzle> found it
[21:29] <drizzle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/615097
[21:29] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 615097 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Typos in two strings (dup-of: 615036)" [Undecided,New]
[21:29] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 615036 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Typo in "Preparing to install Ubuntu" (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 16)" [Low,Triaged]
[21:30] <drizzle> should i break the second part out into a new defect?
[21:30] <drizzle> The following notice applies to the Fluendo MP3 plugin: MPEG Layer-3 audio decoding technology licensed from Faunhofer IIS and Thomson.Shouldn't it be "Fraunhofer" the name of the audio studio?Thanks.
[21:30] <drizzle> that part?
[21:32] <yofel> back, was fighting launchpad for a moment
[21:33] <drizzle> no worries
[21:33] <drizzle> can we resolve the bash completion issue first?
[21:33] <drizzle> and thenn look at the typo issue?
[21:35] <yofel> sure
[21:36]  * yofel just had launchpad oopsing on him while trying to add an upstream bugtask for bash-completion -.- (different bug)
[21:36] <drizzle> should i go ahead and log and upstream bug for 615042
[21:37] <yofel> somehow I manage to get at least one launchpad error every day since a while ago...
[21:37] <yofel> drizzle: yes
[21:39] <drizzle> ok i logged one for bash completion
[21:40] <drizzle> ive had two launchpad rashes today
[21:40] <drizzle> crashes
[21:41] <drizzle> what about that second bug with two typos and one of the typos being a duplicate bug
[21:42] <yofel> drizzle: now that you have upstreamed the bug, can you please post the 'Upstreamed' response with the link to the upstream report on the bug?
[21:42] <drizzle> i did
[21:42] <drizzle> i tried to link it
[21:42] <drizzle> but launchpad was crashing
[21:42] <drizzle> is there a link feature?
[21:42]  * yofel kicks the cache
[21:42] <drizzle> for upstream projects?
[21:42] <drizzle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash-completion/+bug/615042
[21:42] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 615042 in bash-completion (Ubuntu) "MPlayer completion rules complete only specific files (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[21:42] <drizzle> thats what i have so far
[21:43] <yofel> yeah, I see it now
[21:43] <drizzle> launchpad is slow
[21:43] <drizzle> i use a squid web proxy to cache parts of it
[21:43] <drizzle> and it seems to make it a little faster
[21:43] <yofel> drizzle: there is, click on 'Also affects Project' choose correct project if necessary and add link to upstream tracker
[21:43] <yofel> but that seems broken currently :/
[21:44] <yofel> at leas I get an oops when I try that
[21:44] <njin> hello, i want to add the icon of the bug-squad in my wiki home page, but i don't know where i can found it, can someone help me?
[21:44] <drizzle> i think you have to be part of it
[21:44] <drizzle> and then it automatically shows up
[21:44] <drizzle> does anyone here have the ability to close bugs?
[21:44] <drizzle> i think we can close https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java5/+bug/369734
[21:45] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 369734 in sun-java5 (Ubuntu) "Firefox freezes when loading webbank with java (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[21:46] <yofel> drizzle: also, can you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance and tell me what importance you would give the bash bug?
[21:48] <drizzle> yofel
[21:48] <drizzle> what is your launchpad name?
[21:48] <drizzle> i would give it wishlist
[21:49] <drizzle> or low
[21:49] <yofel> right, I'll set it low because it's a bug in the sense that the completion doesn't complete bugs that mplayer *can* play.
[21:50] <yofel> but it can be easily worked around, either disable completion or just type the filename yourself
[21:50] <drizzle> yea
[21:50] <drizzle> it can probably be selected via the gui
[21:50] <drizzle> i dont use mplayer but i remember it having a feature like that
[21:50] <drizzle> when i used it
[21:52] <charlie-tca> drizzle: you can close the java bug using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Bugs%20resolved%20after%20update%20or%20config%20change in the comments. Just change status to invalid
[21:52] <yofel> drizzle: done
[21:53] <njin> there's no way to have bugsqud icon to copy ?
[21:53] <drizzle> oh
[21:53] <drizzle> i thought you were asking something else
[21:53] <drizzle> why dont you just view the source of the page
[21:53] <drizzle> and find the url for the icon
[21:53] <drizzle> and then save it
[21:54] <drizzle> it might not blow up very well though
[21:54] <drizzle> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=bugsquad.png
[21:55] <drizzle> is that the image you are looking for njin?
[21:55] <njin> the icon in Lp is too small, enlarging it is'not good
[21:55] <drizzle> try the one i sent
[21:55] <yofel> drizzle: you got an oops message when trying to open 'Also affects project' too right?
[21:56] <njin> drizzle: no i want the icon of launchpad
[21:56] <drizzle> yes yofel
[21:56] <yofel> drizzle: then please confirm bug 615123 (I just filed it)
[21:56] <drizzle> sry - thats as good as i can do njin
[21:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615123 in malone "Oops on production when opening +choose-affected-product (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615123
[21:56] <yofel> and set it to affect you too
[21:57] <drizzle> done
[21:58] <yofel> thanks :)
[22:00] <yofel> drizzle: that should answer your question about my launchpad name too :P
[22:03] <drizzle> do you live in berlin?
[22:03] <yofel> nope, Stuttgart
[22:10] <drizzle> what do we do with a bug like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/615125
[22:10] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 615125 in firefox (Ubuntu) "firefox 3.6.8 doesn`t shows some website correctly (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[22:11] <drizzle> it seems like its a browser compatibility/rendering issue
[22:11] <micahg> you have to see what's causing rthe issue
[22:14] <drizzle> i think that is a css issue
[22:14] <drizzle> i opened it up in firefox and it displays the items that appear to be missing, but at the very bottom of the webpage
[22:14] <micahg> drizzle: yeah, seems to be HTML and CSS issues
[22:15] <yofel> right here too, and rekonq shows it the same way as the konqueror screenshot
[22:15] <drizzle> its probably a problem with the website developer
[22:15] <drizzle> chrome dev channel renders it how he wants it
[22:15] <micahg> it's weird though FF on windows works
[22:16]  * micahg tries something
[22:16] <drizzle> i think the website is for illegal things
[22:16] <yofel> firefox-4.0 shows it same as 3.6
[22:16] <micahg> weird
[22:17] <micahg> it's not a UA issue
[22:17] <micahg> drizzle: I'll have to confirm in a Windows VM to see if there's really a disparity between the Win and LInux versions
[22:18] <drizzle> it will most likely be a firefox bug though right?
[22:19] <micahg> drizzle: idk
[22:25] <drizzle> i confirmed it renders differently on windows xp ff 3.6.8
[22:26] <jfi> the css is invalid at line 584
[22:27] <drizzle> how did you find that out?
[22:27] <jfi> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hd-area.org%2Fcss.css&profile=css21&usermedium=all&warning=1&lang=en
[22:27] <jfi> just by using the css validator:)
[22:27] <jfi> you also have the error if you open the ff error console
[22:28] <drizzle> hmm
[22:28] <drizzle> i wonder if that css is responsible for that middle column though
[22:28] <drizzle> wait
[22:28] <jfi> seems to concern the { and }, may be the remaining css rules are not read and it breaks the layout, I don't know
[22:34] <drizzle> anyone here use kubuntu?
[22:35] <jfi> drizzle, the html is also not valid...like for most of the websites:)
[22:35] <jfi> if you are motivated: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hd-area.org%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0
[22:36] <drizzle> what a joke
[22:36] <drizzle> i updated the bug with those details
[22:37] <jfi> on my pc: on ubuntu maverick, layout ok with chrome, wrong with ff
[22:37] <drizzle> yep
[22:38] <drizzle> im the same jfi
[22:38] <micahg> jfi: right, but it shouldn't render differently on windows vs linux
[22:39] <jfi> wrong with ff on lucid, I am booting xp to check...
[22:39] <drizzle> i already verified it on xp
[22:40] <drizzle> it matches the screens he sent
[22:40] <drizzle> attached
[22:40] <njin> then we have FF win, chrome linux against ff Linux
[22:40] <micahg> drizzle: jfi: well, if we can get a small test case that duplicates it that would be ideal for upstreaming
[22:44] <jfi> seems that it uses tahoma font, I don't have it on linux
[22:45] <jfi> and my xp got it
[22:46] <njin> yes but chrome works
[22:47] <jfi> I have installed tahoma font
[22:47] <jfi> it fixes the ff layout on my maverick box
[22:47] <jfi> maybe useful to add it in the BR if you can confirm it
[22:48] <yofel> jfi: does that help for konqueror/rekonq too? (if you have it installed)
[22:48] <jfi> I dlded it from http://www.fontonic.com/download.asp?id=6009 (I did not check that the license allow it ...)
[22:48] <yofel> should help I think as they render the page generally fine, except for the text size
[22:49] <jfi> sorry I don't have konqueror and prefere to avoid installing it:(
[22:49] <yofel> np, I'll get the font
[22:50] <jfi> finally maybe it is not a ff bug => not the same font => different width + fixed box width => wrong layout ?
[22:51] <jfi> website should only use image to ensure compatibility :-D
[22:53] <yofel> yep, with tahoma installed konqueror/rekonq render the page fine
[22:54] <jfi> brrrrr, what is the way to remove a font? `:(
[22:56] <jfi> ha just require to remove it from ~/.fonts
[23:01] <jfi> hum, the box of the middle column are using topbox css class
[23:01] <jfi> in the css file the width is hardcoded
[23:01] <jfi> quite strange
[23:04] <yofel> how do you write bug patterns?
[23:04] <yofel> bug 433087 gets a lot of duplicates that have nothing to do with it
[23:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 433087 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport-gtk crashed with ImportError in <module>() (affects: 23) (dups: 5) (heat: 129)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433087
[23:14] <drizzle> can someone mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-monitor/+bug/614848 as wishlist
[23:14] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 614848 in gnome-system-monitor (Ubuntu) "Relative Network Bandwidth (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[23:40] <drizzle> please