[00:04] <chrisccoulson> bobby - at startup or when viewing flash content?
[00:05] <chrisccoulson> if it's when viewing flash content, then i already know why that's crashing
[00:05] <bobby> Nope, at startup
[00:05] <chrisccoulson> WFM. are you sure you don't have flash content on your homepage?
[00:05] <bobby> Yeah, homepage is just my.yahoo.com
[00:06] <bobby> I barely even see the homepage for a second
[00:06] <bobby> No Flash on it though
[00:06] <chrisccoulson> that works ok here
[00:07] <bobby> Oh, I'm on Maverick Alpha 3 BTW
[00:07] <chrisccoulson> yeah, me too
[00:07] <chrisccoulson> but i know that flash definately won't work in our daily for anybody atm
[00:08] <bobby> Yeah, Flash was an issue back when in... 3.7a5 if I remember
[00:08] <bobby> When it was called 3.7 at least
[00:09] <bobby> Let me see if I can find a crash log for it...
[00:10] <chrisccoulson> there won't be one
[00:10] <chrisccoulson> it's blacklisted in apport
[00:10] <bobby> ... Why?
[00:11] <chrisccoulson> because we're submitting crash reports directly to mozilla now. if it's crashing, you will see the mozilla crash handler
[00:11] <bobby> Yeah, I got that... Why is that? I thought it was run out of launchpad?
[00:11] <chrisccoulson> the crash reports for firefox are useless in launchpad
[00:12] <bobby> Ah... So you just send it to the Mozilla bug team then... Got it...
[00:12] <bobby> Well, I'll just run Chrome for now
[00:12] <chrisccoulson> yeah, but they aren't getting our debug symbols for the daily builds yet, so our crash reports aren't useful just yet
[00:13] <bobby> Yeah, not much use for em' then...
[00:13] <bobby> Hey, do you know anything about the UI update?
[00:13] <chrisccoulson> it depends what you want to know
[00:13] <bobby> Are we getting a UI update?... At all?
[00:14] <bobby> Besides tabs on top?
[00:14] <chrisccoulson> from the recent discussions, i don't think it will change much more
[00:14] <chrisccoulson> but i could be wrong
[00:14] <bobby> What about the epic mockups?
[00:15] <chrisccoulson> which ones?
[00:15] <bobby> On the Mozilla.org wiki?
[00:16] <bobby> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/4.0_Linux_Theme_Mockups
[00:17] <bobby> They're so beautiful :s
[00:17] <chrisccoulson> oh, i thought you meant the menu button in the titlebar ;)
[00:18] <bobby> >.<
[00:18] <bobby> No, an actual UI overhaul :P
[00:18] <chrisccoulson> i'm not really sure what else is planned for the linux version
[00:19] <bobby> I'm really getting sick of the UI, been the same since I started using Ubuntu/Linux a year ago :s
[07:14] <fishor> hallo all, i have problem with latest two updates of firefox-4.0. Ifter start it will freeze on first page
[07:15] <fishor> can any one confirm it. i use ubuntu 10.10 amd64 + ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily
[07:16]  * micahg can test on lucid
[07:16] <micahg> seems like a plugin-container issue like before :-/
[07:18] <fishor> i thing i got it first time yesterday. on friday it was ok
[07:18] <micahg> weird, should work...
[07:18] <fishor> 3.6.9 and chromium working fine
[07:18] <micahg> ah, it's not being installed :(
[07:19]  * micahg updates
[07:28] <micahg> fishor: shoudl be fixed tomorrow
[07:29] <micahg> fishor: thanks for letting us know
[07:29] <fishor> micahg: welcome and thank you
[07:52] <vish> micahg: if its just improving the description , it sound good to make it more accurate
[07:53] <micahg> vish: as in what I did you like?
[07:54] <vish> micahg: yup , mentioning Adobe sounds good
[07:55] <vish> micahg: was there a reason it wasnt mentioned before?
[07:55] <micahg> vish: idk, oversight maybe
[07:55] <vish> yeah , probably
[07:55] <micahg> I thought he did it in the diff, but then I looked back and what was there before was worse
[07:55] <vish> :)
[08:40] <porter1> hey, is anyone in here?
[08:40] <micahg> porter1: yes
[08:41] <porter1> Cool. I was wondering if anyone else was testing 4.0b4 and having immediate crashes with flash? Also strange text rendering?
[08:42] <micahg> porter1: yes, I fixed it in bzr, it'll be fixed in the next upload
[08:42] <porter1> Oh cool. Thanks for responding so quickly!
[08:42] <micahg> porter1: fishor let me know an hour and a half ago
[09:07] <DanaG> hmm, firefox 4.0 re-broke plugin-container....
[09:08] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/pCUYTesg
[09:08] <micahg> DanaG: yes, known issue that's fixed in bzr
[09:09] <DanaG> Cool.
[09:09] <DanaG> Just straight copying it from 3.6.9 works for now.
[09:10] <micahg> DanaG: you can copy it from xulrunner-2.0
[09:10] <micahg> actually, idk if that would work..
[09:11]  * micahg tests
[09:13] <micahg> DanaG: well, 3.6.8 doesn't work and neither does xul20
[09:14] <DanaG> Hmm, it worked for me.
[09:14] <DanaG> Anyway, time for bed now...
[09:14] <DanaG> It'd also be nice if Firefox would report "missing" instead of hanging... =P
[09:15] <DanaG> Like, "failed to start plugin container"
[09:15] <micahg> DanaG: well, it was just integrated as all-in-one, so bugs likely to happen
[09:15] <micahg> DanaG: the problem is with the packaging
[09:15] <DanaG> Yeah, I figured.  Anyway, off to bed now -- glad to know it's known and fix-commited.
[09:15] <micahg> DanaG: thanks
[20:06] <micahg> hi chrisccoulson
[20:09] <chrisccoulson> hi micahg
[20:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I have TB built and the locales ready, now I'm just clearing space so I can dogfood TB before packaging up enigmail
[20:10] <chrisccoulson> awesome, thanks!
[20:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: oh, I wanted to ask you about the russian translation
[20:11] <micahg> for firefox that is
[20:11] <chrisccoulson> for abrowser?
[20:11] <micahg> yeah
[20:11] <micahg> did you see that
[20:11] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i was going to find a russian speaking colleague to have a look at it
[20:11] <micahg> k, I'll switch you to reviewer then?
[20:11] <chrisccoulson> i'm a bit nervous about changing translations for languages i don't speak ;)
[20:12] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's ok
[20:12] <micahg> is that possible to reassign review?
[20:13] <chrisccoulson> i'm not too sure about that
[20:13] <micahg> got it :)
[20:15] <chrisccoulson> ah, yes. just saw it now
[20:21] <DanaG> Weird... my Firefox is not following 301 "Moved Permanently"!
[20:22] <DanaG> Go to http://phoronix.com/ -- and it gives me a page that just says:
[20:22] <DanaG> Moved Permanently
[20:22] <DanaG> The document has moved here.
[20:22] <DanaG> Same for http://newegg.com
[20:22] <DanaG> This object may be found here
[20:23] <DanaG> And when I click the "here" on Phoronix, it gives me a page that's entirely empty -- even "view source" is empty!
[20:23] <micahg> DanaG: which version?
[20:25] <DanaG> Version: 4.0~b4~hg20100807r49066+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[20:25] <micahg> oh, my daily is still broke :)
[20:27]  * micahg likes empty builders :)
[20:28] <micahg> lzma rocks :)
[20:47] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I think the only troubling thing left with the build is the beta participation from 3.1
[20:50] <DanaG> ah, updated firefox... now it's unbroken.
[20:50] <micahg> I guess I can substitute beta 3.0 participation for beta 3.1 participation since thunderbird-3.0 hasn't been around for almost 6 months
[21:09] <DanaG> Oh yeah, one use case those migration scripts dealt badly with, last time I checked:
[21:10] <DanaG> One time I had firefox-3.5 dir symlinked to firefox dir.... so it moved "firefox-3.5" to "firefox" and "firefox" to "firefox-3.0.abandoned".
[21:10] <DanaG> So I ended up with "firefox" being a symlink to "firefox".
[21:12] <micahg> DanaG: we don't support user's changing links
[21:13] <DanaG> Oops, my Firefox is still broken...
[21:14] <DanaG> That is, the "permanently moved" is broken.
[21:15] <DanaG> Error: [Exception... "'JavaScript component does not have a method named: "asyncOnChannelRedirect"' when calling method: [nsIChannelEventSink::asyncOnChannelRedirect]"  nsresult: "0x80570030 (NS_ERROR_XPC_JSOBJECT_HAS_NO_FUNCTION_NAMED)"  location: "<unknown>"  data: no]
[21:48] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I seem to have dependency hell on locales
[21:48] <chrisccoulson> what's the issue with them?
[21:49] <micahg> chrisccoulson: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/475102/
[21:52] <chrisccoulson> so,the locale packages are set to conflict thunderbird (>> 3.1~a1) and thunderbird (<< 3.1~)?
[21:52] <micahg> shouldn't be
[21:52] <chrisccoulson> it seems that they are according to that output
[21:53] <micahg> Conflicts: thunderbird (<< 3.1~), thunderbird (>> 3.2~a1)
[21:53] <micahg> oh, I'm missing one :)
[21:53] <chrisccoulson> that might be why ;)
[21:54] <micahg> no, it's there
[21:54] <micahg> maybe dpkg -i doesn't have a good dependency resolver?
[21:55]  * micahg could push to PPA
[21:55] <chrisccoulson> yeah, dpkg doesn't handle dependency resolution like that
[21:55] <chrisccoulson> i normally test by creating a local archive
[21:56] <micahg> is that easy?
[21:59] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i normally follow the instructions here for building packages with dependencies in a local archive: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#Building%20With%20Local%20Packages
[21:59] <chrisccoulson> and then just add the relevant line to my sources.list
[21:59] <chrisccoulson> which, for me is "deb file:///var/cache/archive/ maverick/"
[22:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do I need anything special besides the deb line pointing to a dir with debs?
[22:10] <chrisccoulson> micahg - as long as the folder is a debian repository (ie, it has things like a Packages.gz)
[22:10] <micahg> ugh, I guess I have to generate that
[23:21] <micahg> chrisccoulson: not going to worry about it now, just pushing to PPA
[23:22] <bobby> Hey, anyone think it is time to remove the 3.7 transitional package, considering its been dead for over a month now?
[23:23] <micahg> bobby: you can if you want
[23:23] <bobby> lol, I'm just asking if there is a reason it is still in there... Along with FF2.0 transitional?
[23:24] <micahg> bobby: ff20 should've been dropped
[23:24] <bobby> Really? After only two years?
[23:24] <bobby> Come on?
[23:31] <bobby> When's the next FF4 update coming out... Just keeps crashing on startup
[23:33] <micahg> about 7-8 hrs
[23:34] <bobby> >.<
[23:35] <bobby> I don't have anything against using chrome, but no auto-scrolling is really annoying me :s