[09:11] <DanaG> Argh! Stupid appmenu keeps crashing Firefox every second time I try to download a file!
[09:11] <DanaG>    from /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/menuproxies/libappmenu.so
[09:11] <DanaG> Download file.  It works.  Download another file: crash.
[09:12] <DanaG> Restart firefox.  Try to download that second file again... it works.
[09:12] <DanaG> Download a third file... crash.
[09:29] <DanaG> Fixed it by removing appmenu-gtk.
[09:29] <DanaG> Still doesn't follow 301, though!
[13:56] <bobby> FF4 is still crashing at startup :(
[17:25] <chrisccoulson> micahg - do you think we need the transitional xulrunner-1.9.3* packages in xulrunner-2.0? shouldn't we just rely on applications to pull in the new version by depending on it?
[17:26] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah, we don't need them anymore, that was more for the FF4 transition
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> micahg - cool, i'll drop those then
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> i think i've finished making changes to lp:firefox now
[17:28] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, I pushed tb to my PPA and it still doesn't work (installing), I'll try without the apt-pinning later tonight
[17:28] <chrisccoulson> oh, is that for the TB locales?
[17:29] <chrisccoulson> i'm still unsure about what we're going to do with thunderbird for pre-lucid releases
[17:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah, TB+locales
[17:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I thought we were going to migrate to 3.1.2 once MOzilla does their major update
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> micahg - on all releases?
[17:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that's what I thought we discussed, maybe that was just what upstream proposed and we never agreed on it
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think upstream proposed that IIRC
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, what do you think?
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> micahg - did you look in to how much work would be involved to support TB2.0.0.x by backporting security fixes?
[17:34] <micahg> maybe we should wait for 3.1.3 in case there are issues with the major update
[17:35] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, I tried, but the problem is that upstream doesn't publish the patches they use for security issues
[17:35] <jdstrand> it was my understanding that we will be required to move to a supported version of tbird when they no longer officially support what we have
[17:35] <jdstrand> I was not in on the decision process for tbird though
[17:35] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, yeah, we can do that, but we haven't made a decision just yet
[17:36] <jdstrand> (I kinda viewed the firefox transition as the 'mozilla transition', but may have read to omuch into it)
[17:36] <micahg> chrisccoulson: also they said it would be difficult
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> i think asac suggested backporting security fixes, but it seems like that's going to be more work to do that
[17:36] <jdstrand> I do know that if migrating, 2.0 should go to 3.1 due to some migration fixes that 3.0 caused... other than that, I don't have an opinion
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> especially seeing as we'll be doing it for 1 more year ;)
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, yeah, mozilla are only upgrading 2.0 users to 3.1
[17:37] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah, he did, but I don't even know what exactly qualifies as major enough
[17:37] <jdstrand> I would probably prefer just to backport the fixes, but as I'm not the one doing the updates, I probably shouldn't get a vote :)
[17:37] <micahg> chrisccoulson: they're also planning on pushing 3.0.x to 3.1.x and EOLing that too
[17:38] <jdstrand> but to backport, we need someone to have full access to the security bugs, like asac did
[17:38] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, we should get the lucid update ready as well. i can help out with that if you need me to
[17:38] <jdstrand> mozilla doesn't like to give that out to just anyway, so it would probably need to be just our mozilla maintainer (ie chrisccoulson)
[17:38] <jdstrand> s/anyway/anyone/
[17:39] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm not sure who to ask about that. perhaps asac would be able to help ;)
[17:39] <micahg> chrisccoulson: it shouldn't be hard, but I think we should wait for 3.1.3 for Lucid in case there are issues
[17:40] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i don't mind too much, but i think we should at least aim to get it in to the PPA asap, so we can fix our own problems with the packaging too
[17:40] <chrisccoulson> we can still hold off until 3.1.3 to publish the update
[17:40] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, as soon as I have it in Maverick, we'll need to publish tb-locales and enigmail as well
[17:40] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks
[17:41] <chrisccoulson> there aren't many TB extensions in lucid are there?
[17:41] <chrisccoulson> i'll try and build a list in a minute
[17:41] <micahg> just 1 I think, the bugmail extension
[17:42] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think we dropped most of them because they depended on icedove
[17:42] <chrisccoulson> which was probably a good idea ;)
[18:24] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i just got an ACK on the translation merge request, so i'll merge it now
[18:25] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, there are 2 others in bugs, 1 for vietnamese and 1 for chinese if you're doing a FF upload, I'll take care of the TB chinese one
[18:27] <chrisccoulson> micahg - sure, no problem
[18:33] <DanaG> Hmm, I wonder why my Firefox still fails at handling "moved permanently".
[18:38] <DanaG> Also odd: it's not broken in safe-mode.
[18:38] <DanaG> YEt, it IS broken in normal mode with all addons disabled!
[19:24] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, I'm testing the update 3.0.x to 3.1.x in Lucid, so we'll get double test coverage on that
[19:25] <chrisccoulson> micahg - cool, that's good
[19:27] <chrisccoulson> micahg - do you know why we use a versioned directory for firefox installs? i'm trying to think of how we can stop firefox breaking during upgrades
[19:27] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that's the way upstream does it AFAIK, let me find the bug where we were thinking to work around it
[19:28] <chrisccoulson> micahg - that would be useful. i see that debian use a non-versioned directory for their iceweasel package
[19:31] <micahg> can't find the bug, the idea was that we have a firefox-real which is a symlink to the proper binary, but I don't remember how that helped
[22:43] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ok, it is just bugmail and enigmail that we need to update in lucid
[22:50] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k
[22:52] <micahg> chrisccoulson: problem is enigmail won't work w/seamonkey
[22:53] <micahg> and neither will lightning when I make it
[22:53] <chrisccoulson> i'm not concerned about lightning, seeing as we don't ship it at all in lucid right now
[22:53] <chrisccoulson> enigmail is more of a problem, but the priority is making sure it carries on working in thunderbird
[22:54] <chrisccoulson> if it stops working in seamonkey, then we can probably release note that
[22:55] <chrisccoulson> will it work again in SM2.1?
[22:55] <micahg> chrisccoulson: the next version should, SM2.1, FF4.0, and TB3.3(?4.0) will be based on xul-2.0
[23:29] <BUGabundo> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=50678 fixed in chromium so HTML5 is back
[23:34] <bobby> When's the next FF4 update?
[23:35] <micahg> bobby: works as of last night
[23:35] <micahg> another 7-8 hrs
[23:35] <micahg> bobby: what chipset?
[23:35] <micahg> lpia will be tonight
[23:35] <bobby> No clue, all I know is that it crashes on startup.
[23:36] <micahg> bobby: what version do you have?
[23:36] <bobby> FF? 4.0b4pre... Last nights build
[23:36] <micahg> bobby: you have the full version?
[23:36] <bobby> Yup
[23:38] <micahg> bobby: ?
[23:38] <bobby> I have no idea, it starts up, and before I see my homepage, it just crashes.
[23:38] <micahg> bobby: dpkg -l | grep firefox-4.0
[23:39] <chrisccoulson> bobby, have you tried getting a backtrace? or starting with a fresh profile?
[23:39] <micahg> chrisccoulson: my guess is that it's an old version
[23:39] <bobby> Well, I un-installed it last night, along with XULrunner 2.0
[23:39] <bobby> Here:
[23:39] <bobby> ii  firefox-4.0                           4.0~b4~hg20100809r49183+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1  safe and easy web browser from Mozilla
[23:39] <bobby> ii  firefox-4.0-branding                  4.0~b4~hg20100809r49183+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1  Package that ships the firefox branding
[23:39] <bobby> ii  firefox-4.0-gnome-support             4.0~b4~hg20100809r49183+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1  Support for GNOME in Mozilla Firefox
[23:40] <micahg> it's maverick :P
[23:40] <bobby> And, what's wrong with maverick? Didn't work in Lucid either...
[23:40] <micahg> bobby: wfm in lucid
[23:40] <bobby> Well, I upgraded on... Friday, and it didn't work before I upgraded
[23:40] <micahg> appmenu seems to be breaking maverick from what I've seen
[23:40] <chrisccoulson> could you get a backtrace bobby? else, there's not much anybody can do
[23:40] <micahg> but chrisccoulson would know better
[23:41] <chrisccoulson> yeah, appmenu-gtk still causes us a problem in FF4.0
[23:41] <micahg> the only think I know that's wrong with the current dailies is lpia
[23:41] <micahg> and that's fix committed
[23:41] <bobby> ah too bad... I can give you the crash report info If you need
[23:41] <chrisccoulson> bobby - a backtrace please, there's not much we can do with the crash report info
[23:42] <micahg> chrisccoulson: it's not pushing crashes up to mozilla yet?
[23:42] <bobby> No it is
[23:42] <chrisccoulson> micahg - it's enabled, but there are no symbols on the server yet for various reasons
[23:43] <micahg> chrisccoulson: understood :)
[23:43] <chrisccoulson> 1 being that i can't get SSH access from the datacenter, so i'm blocked on a RT with our IS dept
[23:43] <chrisccoulson> and 2 being that the SSH key from my laptop no longer works ;)
[23:43] <chrisccoulson> and the person i need to speak to at mozilla hasn't been around today :/
[23:43] <chrisccoulson> so, i'm a bit stuck