/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/08/09/#ubuntu-sugarteam.txt

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ebordonhello14:12
manusheelebordon: Hello14:12
ebordonI need your help....14:12
manusheelebordon: Sure.14:12
manusheelCan you explain your isssue.14:13
ebordonI have installed sugar 0.88 on Ubuntu 10.04 (I think ubuntu-sugar-remix)14:13
ebordon http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Ubuntu14:13
ebordonbut now, I have only sugar interface14:13
ebordonhow I can to switch to gnome?14:13
manusheelebordon: Sure. There are steps to this method. Let me send you an e-mail on the steps sometime today. Can you tell me your e-mail address?14:15
ebordonmanusheel: Sure. ebordon@plan.ceibal.edu.uy14:15
ebordonmanusheel: Thank you!14:16
manusheelebordon: Very welcome.14:16
manusheelWe'll get back to you soon.14:16
ebordonI will be ;)14:18
manusheelebordon: Great.14:18
lfaraoneMorning.14:31
manusheellfaraone: Good morning.14:32
manusheellfaraone: How was DebConf conference?14:42
lfaraonemanusheel: exciting and interesting.14:43
manusheellfaraone: Great. Glad to hear.14:44
manusheellfaraone: Did we get feedback on USR that you would like to share?14:44
lfaraonemanusheel: not from users.14:46
lfaraonemanusheel: Jonas has posted the results of most of our discussions IRL to the list.14:46
lfaraonemanusheel: I did get s-terminal-a sponsored, and I sponsored s-write-a-0.8614:47
manusheellfaraone: Yes, Luke. Did read Jonas's memo. Neat indeed. Thanks for getting the activities sponsored.14:52
manusheelAppreciate it.14:52
manusheelebordon: Sending you the response to your query.15:10
manusheelkandarpk: Hi Kandarp.15:15
kandarpkmanusheel sir: hello sir.15:15
manusheelkandarpk: How have you been doing?15:15
kandarpkmanusheel sir: doing good.15:16
manusheelkandarpk: Great.15:16
ebordonmanusheel: Thanks, anyway I could to solve it15:16
* lfaraone is looking at Sugar Log Ctivity15:18
kandarpkhey lfaraone. good to see you.15:19
manusheelebordon: Glad to hear.15:24
dfarningebordon, I must warn against USR on 10.04.  We have shifted all of our developer resources to USR on 10.10.15:25
dfarningebordon, we can change that emphasis based on your needs.... but the current plan is for all development to happen in 10.10 and get back ported to 10.0415:27
ebordonperfect15:31
* dipankar says hello to all15:40
dipankar:)15:40
kandarpkhello dipankar15:41
manusheeldipankar, kandarpk: Hi Dipankar and Kandarp.15:42
dipankarkandarpk, hello15:42
dipankarlfaraone, around?15:42
dipankardfarning, hello, how are you this morning?15:42
dipankarmanusheel, sir about the gsm connection not set issue15:44
manusheeldipankar: Yes.15:44
dipankarmanusheel, what I have understood is,15:44
dipankarThere can be many fixes brought in15:44
dipankarsimplest of them will be to not generate the error message like DCON issue15:45
manusheeldipankar: Ok. Why so, Dipankar?15:45
dipankaranother can be to remove the modem connection settings from control pannels15:45
dipankar*pannel15:45
dfarningdipankar, good and you?15:45
dipankardfarning, I am doing good. Just getting on with the bugs and issues15:46
dfarningdipankar, great.15:46
kandarpkmanusheel sir: I removed to contents of gui.py file and reinstalled sugar-jhbuild but its still working fine.15:46
dipankarmanusheel, sir like DCON's presence was first detected and then the error message was passed.15:47
dipankarwe can follow the same15:47
dipankarfor the modem too15:47
kandarpkdfarning: does running sugar-jhbuild script regenerate .pyc files from .py source ?15:47
manusheelkandarpk: Ok.15:48
dipankarif a modem is present then only generate that message, or don't15:48
manusheeldipankar: Let us try that option too.15:48
dfarningkandarpk, yes. .pcy files and byte code compilations for .py file.15:48
kandarpkdfarning:  I removed to contents of gui.py file and reinstalled sugar-jhbuild but its still working fine.15:49
dipankarmanusheel, but sir, i have a feeling that you meant something else in the e-mail.15:49
lfaraonedipankar: yed?15:50
dfarningdfarning, kandarpk ahhh slight correction the .pyc file is created at run time. so it is created as part of the jhbuild ru process not the build process.15:50
dipankarlfaraone, Good morning. hope you had the rest you needed15:51
dfarningkandarpk, it is kind of a challange because if you delete a .py file something the .pyc can hang around:(15:51
dipankarlfaraone, I was thinking if you could check log-activity?15:51
lfaraonedfarning: although they may be byte-compiled at build time with sme debian pckages.15:51
lfaraonedipankar: thanks.15:51
manusheeldipankar: You are right. Re-thinking about the issue from a fresher perspective.15:51
manusheeldipakar: Luke was working on it this morning.15:52
dipankarmanusheel, ok sir15:52
kandarpkdfarning: how do I edit the code to reflect the changes in the emulator ?15:52
dipankarlfaraone, I didn't know that. Sorry if I interrupted you in some work :(15:53
lfaraonedipankar: no worries.15:53
lfaraonedipankar: can you reorder your copyright per jonas's preferred order?15:54
dipankarok15:54
dipankarsure15:54
dfarninglfaraone, can you reopen the restart sugar on change in CP issue it is important for tech support and students.15:55
dfarningkandarpk, it is important to remember that jhbuild and sugar packages can co-exist.15:55
kandarpkdfarning: I edited sugar-jhbuild/install/lib/python2.6/site-packages/jarabe/controlpanel/gui.py and ran sugar-jhbuild to reinstall it.15:57
kandarpkdfarning: but there is no change on running sugar-jhbuild/install/bin/sugar-emulator15:57
dfarningkandarpk, the best way to develop sugar is to work in sugar-jhbuild.  edit the code under in install as you did then run sugar through sugar-jhbuild emulator15:58
lfaraonedfarning: Sure. It's still a wishlist item IMHO from the Ubuntu Side.15:59
dfarninglfaraone, it is a huge issue for deployments and student usability.16:00
lfaraonedfarning: right, so in USR / Sugar Labs' tracker it can be whatever.16:01
lfaraonedfarning: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance is what we should use when triaging bugs in Ubuntu.16:02
dfarninglfaraone, well, I don't expect any one upstream to fix it :-/ So it will fall on us.16:04
dipankarlfaraone, also do I need to remove the © signs?16:04
lfaraonedipankar: that's stylistic. I like them, but you can do what you want as long as you're consistent16:05
dipankarlfaraone, +1 hehe16:06
manusheellfaraone: Thank you for sending the link to me and David. Appreciate it.16:09
manusheeldipankar: We don't have jabber.laptop.org16:34
lfaraonedipankar: did you have trouble reorging the fike?16:34
dipankarmanusheel, ohk. Then I seem to have got it wrong16:35
dipankarlfaraone, I think I got it. I am pasting it16:36
dipankarlfaraone, is it ok ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/475490/16:37
dipankarI got confused with the license : Expat16:37
lfaraonedipankar: the expat license is apparently the MIT/X11 license: http://www.jclark.com/xml/copying.txt16:38
dipankarlfaraone, This is confusing! but Jonas has done something else :http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/sugar-presence-service.git;a=blob;f=debian/copyright;h=618ce7916d9fdd0a6984dd72e93f51f01c91ac35;hb=HEAD16:39
dipankaris it okay if I leave it as it is?16:40
lfaraonedipankar: drop line 816:40
lfaraonedipankar: (it's implicit)16:40
lfaraonedipankar: and equal out the spacing, it looks uneven in the pastebin16:41
dipankarlfaraone, The spacing is file on a text editor.16:42
dipankarI wonder whats happening16:42
lfaraonedipankar: right, that's because you may be using tabs as opposed to spaces16:43
dipankarohk16:43
dipankarlfaraone, i should use space or tab then?16:43
lfaraonedipankar: sp.16:44
dipankarlfaraone, done, I guess. http://paste.ubuntu.com/475496/16:46
lfaraonedipankar: commit it16:49
dipankarlfaraone, doe16:55
dipankar*done16:55
dipankarand pushed the changes too16:55
dipankarI am off to dinner16:55
* dipankar is away: Be Right Back16:55
kandarpkmanusheel sir: the source fo sugar presence service obtained from http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-presence-service/ looks better than the one under sugar-jhbuild16:57
kandarpkits docstrings have a lot more info.16:57
kandarpkand it looks upto date.16:57
manusheelkandarpk: Great.16:59
kandarpkmanusheel sir: I had reported it on sugar mailing list quite sometime ago but didn't get amy response on it.16:59
manusheelKandarp, ok. Let me create a dev id for seeta.17:00
manusheelLet us send it from there.17:00
manusheelkandarpk: Have you created the git repo for exelearning?17:01
kandarpkmanusheel sir: Not yet.17:02
kandarpkmanusheel sir: that would require pushing some 100MB code.17:02
manusheelkandarpk: Ok.17:02
dfarningkandarpk, if you set up the repo and add me a a comitter, I can push the code for you:)17:03
kandarpkdfarning: Ok, I'll try to set up a repo. then.17:04
kandarpkdfarning: why wasn't my method of rebuilding sugar-jhbuild working ?17:05
manusheelkandarpk: Is it working now?17:09
kandarpkmanusheel sir: working on 10.04, dont have jhbuild on it.17:10
manusheelOk.17:10
dfarningkandarpk, I am not sure.17:12
dfarningmanusheel, who was working on jhbuild for 10.1017:12
kandarpkdfarning: it was failing to build sugar-fructose or something like that, the 28th module.17:12
manusheeldfarning: Kandarp has been working on it.17:13
manusheelkandarpk: Can you send us the error message/17:14
manusheel?17:14
manusheelkandarpk: Not difficult to debug.17:14
kandarpkmanusheel sir: will do that after sometime. setting git repo. on github17:14
kandarpkmanusheel sir, dfarning : http://github.com/kandarp/exelearning17:15
dfarningkandarpk, sorry I get confused.  I can barely keep up with all the requests for bug reports and new tasks that manusheel asks for:)17:15
dfarningkandarpk, manusheel any reason for not putting it on git.sl.org?17:16
manusheeldfarning: No worries. The project has been growing dramatically.17:16
manusheeldfarning: It should be kept over there.17:16
lfaraonedipankar: please pull my changes and investigate updating your packagre to the newest standards version (3.8.4-> 3.9.117:16
kandarpkdfarning: wasn't sure how to make a repo there17:16
manusheelkandarpk: Please put this at git.sugarlabs.org17:16
manusheelkandarpk: Very easy.17:17
kandarpkmanusheel sir: sure17:17
manusheelkandarpk: Create a repository at http://git.sugarlabs.org.17:17
manusheelkandarpk: It is twice much easier to work with.17:17
kandarpkmanusheel sir: will I need to register ofr creating a repo there ?17:18
manusheeldfarning: We have been using github for quite a while on over other projects. Will ask developers to switch to git.sl.org.17:18
lfaraonedipankar: hint, see if any of http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/upgrading-checklist.txt applies to you, make changes if necc, and bump the stndrds version in control.in17:18
manusheelkandarpk: Yes.17:18
* lfaraone will brb, appts.17:26
dfarningmanusheel, thanks. kandarpk can you make the repo on git.sl.org?  We want to make things as consistent as possible for new developers.17:26
manusheeldfarning: Kandarp is doing that right now.17:27
dfarningkandarpk, thanks.17:27
kandarpkdfarning: np. :)17:27
kandarpkmanusheel sir, dfarning : http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/exelearning17:31
dfarningkandarpk, can you add dfarning as a commiter?17:33
kandarpkdfarning: done.17:34
dfarningkandarpk, thanks I am pushing now.... I will take a couple of hours on my current connection.17:37
kandarpkdfarning: will you be pushing the source you shared as tarball ?17:38
kandarpk*I wont need to clone the repo then.17:38
dfarningkandarpk, yes17:39
kandarpkdfarning: great.17:39
kandarpkI'll log into 10.10 , will try to work on jhbuild.17:40
kandarpkdfarning, manusheel sir: http://paste.ubuntu.com/475527/17:55
kandarpkpippy is failing to build.17:55
kandarpk*install17:56
kandarpkand hulahop failed to build http://paste.ubuntu.com/475526/17:58
mukulneeraj, dipankar  sir: I am done with the packaging of turtleart18:02
mukulneeraj, dipankar ,manusheel sir: Should I now create a repository in collab maint and push the package?18:04
dfarningkandarpk,  I would forget about hulahop.  Please ask sascha how to remove drop xulrunner as a core dependancy?18:05
kandarpkdfarning, http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/bugs/2010-February/007686.html18:07
kandarpkdfarning: has this bug been solved ?18:08
dfarningkandarpk, oops drop hulahop as a dependancy18:08
kandarpkdfarning: Ok, sascha doesn't seem to be online at #sugar18:09
manusheelkandarpk: I'll send you his e-mail address. We'll copy18:10
manusheelsugar-devel mailing list on it.18:10
dfarningkandarpk, manusheel better if you ask on IRC of the Sugar-devel mailing list.18:11
dfarningkandarpk, I don't think that bug has been fixed... but for Ubuntu/Debian we are going to switch from browse to surf.18:12
manusheeldfarning: Sure. Thanks for the pointer.18:15
manusheeldfarning: Ok, we have decided on switching from browse to surf.18:16
dfarningmanusheel, we really have not choice.  either we spend a couple 100 hours now moving to surf or many 1000 hours later fighting with browse/xulrunner.18:18
manusheeldfarning: Sure. That makes sense.18:19
manusheeldfarning: Browsing internet and collaboration are two areas, which need some urgent work.18:20
manusheeldfarning: jabber.sugarlabs.org taking 100% CPU time. In India, we cannot register to jabber.18:20
dfarningmanusheel, +1.18:20
kandarpkmanusheel sir: I was able to see some poeple online in the neighbourhood view18:21
kandarpkmanusheel sir: after maybe 25 min or so.18:22
manusheelkandarpk: 25 mins is a very long time :-)18:22
kandarpkmanusheel sir: +118:22
manusheelkandarpk: Is registration working at your end on the sugar emulator/18:24
manusheel?18:24
satellit_kandarpk: e-mail daveb and ask for reset of shared roster....This happens when it fills up18:24
kandarpksatellit_: Ok, thanks a lot.18:24
mukulneeraj sir: how does the uscan command work?18:25
kandarpkmanusheel sir: I see two people now.18:25
kandarpkin neighbourhood view.18:25
kandarpkmanusheel sir: registration ?18:27
mukuldipankar sir: How to use the uscan command in watch file ??18:28
dipankarjust a sec18:29
mukuldipankar, kandarpk ,neeraj sir: What is meant by proper uscan-ized URL?18:29
dipankarmukul, I remember putting a flag with uscan18:30
dipankarbut which flag I forgot18:30
dipankarmukul, the link here is what you are looking for: http://paste.ubuntu.com/475536/18:31
mukuldipankar sir: My browser isn't working18:31
dipankarmukul, browser? Mozilla?18:33
dipankarmukul, to open a link try "Cntrl + Click on the link on Xchat"18:33
mukuldipankar sir: Yes I know that18:33
mukulbut my browser isn't displaying anything...maybe some internet error with the connection18:34
mukuldipankar sir: Could you tell me how uscan is used or is it essential?18:34
mukuldipankar sir: I have made the package and created a repo at allioth. Should I push it now or does it require a review?18:35
dipankarmukul, currently you can do away without using uscan18:35
dipankarmukul, it will require a review by us first and then Luke18:36
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dipankarmukul, how about I take these things up tomorrow?18:36
mukuldipankar sir: in the watch file I have written the link of the tarball from where I downloaded the turtle art activity.Is it ok?18:36
mukuldipankar sir: I have no problem but it has been about 2 days when I hv almost done but not pushed it. Neeraj sir was guiding me on this.18:37
mukuldipankar sir: What should I mail you all for review?18:38
mukuldebian folder(compressed) or .deb file or the whole package18:38
dipankarmukul, nothing special. just mail all of us that you have pushed changes on your git repo and would like it get reviewed18:39
dipankar.deb is just to check whether you package is working or not18:39
dipankarmukul, its getting late18:39
dipankarI must go to bed18:39
dipankar:(18:39
* dipankar signs off! Great day to all18:40
mukuldipankar sir: sure.Take care18:40
manusheelmukul: Please let me know if you have issues.18:43
mukulneeraj: Should I push my package18:46
mukul?18:46
manusheelmukul: yes18:51
mukulmanusheel sir: I have pushed in the package sugar-turtleart-activity. I would like if someone reviews it.18:51
manusheelmukul: Sure. Do we have warnings?18:56
mukulmanusheel sir: No only the 4 warnings which neeraj sir said everyone has and cannot be solved18:57
manusheelmukul: Perfect.18:57
manusheelmukul: Have you created an ITP for it?18:58
mukulmanusheel sir: Yes, all the remaining warnings were solved yesterday only18:58
manusheelmukul: Great.19:00
manusheelFile an ITP for it.19:00
mukulmanusheel sir: I filed an ITP for it yesterday19:00
manusheelmukul: Great.19:01
manusheelmukul: We'll submit Turtle Art for review today.19:03
manusheelGood work.19:03
dfarningmanusheel, the exe git repo is uploaded.19:03
manusheelmukul: Congratulations on packaging Turtle Art successfully.19:03
manusheeldfarning: Great. Thank you.19:04
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satellit_manusheel: dfarning:  Jabber reset19:43
satellit_thank daveb on#sugar19:44
manusheelsatellit_: Glad to hear.20:20
manusheelsatellit_: Are you able to register to jabber.sugarlabs.org?20:21
satellit_oops USR does not show any XO let me boot Soas....20:38
manusheelsatellit_: Sure.20:39
manusheelPlease let us know your results.20:39
satellit_2 min for CD...20:39
satellit_7 avitars on soas CD...20:41
satellit_looks like USR last good is not starting presence service.20:42
satellit_10.0420:42
satellit_manusheel: question: does it fill in jabber name as a default? I did not check that...20:43
satellit_rebooting20:44
satellit_yes it does20:47
satellit_telepathy gabble : no connections, and timed out telepathy-salut stared version 0.3.11 (telepathy-glib version 0.10.1) from log20:49
manusheelsatellit_: Same issue.20:54
manusheelsatellit_: We encountered it too.20:54
satellit_ok...20:54
manusheelsatellit_: Can you report this at ubuntu sugar mailing list?20:54
satellit_ok20:55
satellit_done21:02
satellitUSR-99a5IRC works fine21:05
satellit_surf 115 goes to sugarlabs wiki fine21:07
manusheelsatellit_: Thank you for posting at list serv.21:09
satellit_yw  thanks fo all your valuable work on USR21:09
satellit_s/for21:10
manusheelsatellit_: Can you try visiting www.youtube.com using surf?21:10
manusheelsatellit_: Appreciate it.21:10
satellit_: )21:10
satellit_will test it.....21:11
satellit_yes comes up on screen: Broadcast yourself.....21:12
satellit_but I need to upgrade Adobe Flash to see videos21:12
satellit_apt upgrade fo 9.04+ fails21:14
satellit_deb dl to journal will not install21:15
satellit_manysheel: no Adobe....21:16
satellit_manusheel: logged out of sugar-emulator and installed .deb Adobe-flash 10 to firefox. works fine with audio....21:22
satellit_hp AMD Turion64x2 Laptop21:23
satellit_In USR last working21:24
satellit_manusheel: after turning radio on and off and loggong off and on to sugar-emulator..Presence seems to be on now on USR??????I see 10 avitars (XO)21:51
satellit_(telepathy-gabble:2303): tp-glib-DEBUG: started version 0.8.12 (telepathy-glib version 0.10.1)  I do not understand smoke and mirrors of it?21:54
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manusheelsatellit_: Very cool.23:07
manusheelThis is wonderful indeed.23:08
manusheelsatellit_: after turning radio on and off and loggong off and on to sugar-emulator..Presence seems to be on now on USR??????I see 10 avitars (XO)23:27
manusheelsatellit_: Why do you need to do the same steps a number of times?23:27
manusheelalsroot: Hi Aleksey.23:29
manusheelAround?23:29
manusheelsatellit_: Is presence working now?23:30
satellit_manusheel: I do not know : It was 3 minutes ago23:30
manusheelsatellit_: Ok.23:30
manusheelsatellit_: We were informed that jabber.sugarlabs.org was not working in the morning. Glad it is working now.23:31
satellit_I left USR running while I loaded Adobe in firefox in gnome Ubuntu 10.04 before I logged out I shut off radio in Control panel then turned it on. logged out to gnome , on return presence was working...?23:32
satellit_I e-mailed daveb at solution grove and he reset shared roster and rebooted it23:33
satellit_manusheel he is one running it23:33
manusheelsatellit_: Neat. Thank you for reporting the workflow followed at your end. Glad it worked.23:33
manusheelsatellit_: Yes, daveb is looking after that part.23:34
satellit_me too but do not know why. Maybe it had switched to local and nedded reset23:34
satellit_s/needed23:34
satellit_not sure if reset from log out or radio button.....23:35
manusheelGlad he reset the shared roster. satellit_, we would need to understand what caused that switching, if it took place.23:35
satellit_ thinkif no answer from jabber it time out to local collaboration by default.23:36
satellit_s/times23:36
manusheelsatellit_: Yes.23:36
manusheelThat should be the case.23:36
satellit_jabber was not running when I logged in first time23:37
manusheelBut, appropriate alerts should be there for the same.23:37
satellit_+123:37
satellit_and it should do periodic checks23:37
manusheelsatellit_: Yes, it was not running indeed. I'll add this as a feature request. Yes, periodic checks should be done too.23:37
manusheelsatellit_: This is one the very basic requirement.23:38
satellit_I have lobbied for a feature on Cp to select presence or local with out reboot23:38
manusheelsatellit_: That is infact much better.23:38
satellit_problem is with periodic checks is that you may want local colaboration23:38
manusheelHowever, without reboot, I am not sure it would happen. Will need to study the code.23:39
manusheelsatellit_: Right. That is indeed a limitation to bear with periodic checks.23:39
manusheelThere would be a workaround for it.23:40
satellit_in fedora "killall-telepathy-gabble" is command to turn it off23:40
satellit_not in USR sugar23:40
satellit_maybe list of previous jabber servers you have connected to..so could click on it to start it after stop23:41
manusheelsatellit_: Right. This is not in USR.23:43
manusheelLet me take a note of it.23:43
manusheelWe should have this kind of a feature.23:44

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