=== satellit_ is now known as satellit_afk === satellit_afk is now known as satellit_ [14:12] hello [14:12] ebordon: Hello [14:12] I need your help.... [14:12] ebordon: Sure. [14:13] Can you explain your isssue. [14:13] I have installed sugar 0.88 on Ubuntu 10.04 (I think ubuntu-sugar-remix) [14:13] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Ubuntu [14:13] but now, I have only sugar interface [14:13] how I can to switch to gnome? [14:15] ebordon: Sure. There are steps to this method. Let me send you an e-mail on the steps sometime today. Can you tell me your e-mail address? [14:15] manusheel: Sure. ebordon@plan.ceibal.edu.uy [14:16] manusheel: Thank you! [14:16] ebordon: Very welcome. [14:16] We'll get back to you soon. [14:18] I will be ;) [14:18] ebordon: Great. [14:31] Morning. [14:32] lfaraone: Good morning. [14:42] lfaraone: How was DebConf conference? [14:43] manusheel: exciting and interesting. [14:44] lfaraone: Great. Glad to hear. [14:44] lfaraone: Did we get feedback on USR that you would like to share? [14:46] manusheel: not from users. [14:46] manusheel: Jonas has posted the results of most of our discussions IRL to the list. [14:47] manusheel: I did get s-terminal-a sponsored, and I sponsored s-write-a-0.86 [14:52] lfaraone: Yes, Luke. Did read Jonas's memo. Neat indeed. Thanks for getting the activities sponsored. [14:52] Appreciate it. [15:10] ebordon: Sending you the response to your query. [15:15] kandarpk: Hi Kandarp. [15:15] manusheel sir: hello sir. [15:15] kandarpk: How have you been doing? [15:16] manusheel sir: doing good. [15:16] kandarpk: Great. [15:16] manusheel: Thanks, anyway I could to solve it [15:18] * lfaraone is looking at Sugar Log Ctivity [15:19] hey lfaraone. good to see you. [15:24] ebordon: Glad to hear. [15:25] ebordon, I must warn against USR on 10.04. We have shifted all of our developer resources to USR on 10.10. [15:27] ebordon, we can change that emphasis based on your needs.... but the current plan is for all development to happen in 10.10 and get back ported to 10.04 [15:31] perfect [15:40] * dipankar says hello to all [15:40] :) [15:41] hello dipankar [15:42] dipankar, kandarpk: Hi Dipankar and Kandarp. [15:42] kandarpk, hello [15:42] lfaraone, around? [15:42] dfarning, hello, how are you this morning? [15:44] manusheel, sir about the gsm connection not set issue [15:44] dipankar: Yes. [15:44] manusheel, what I have understood is, [15:44] There can be many fixes brought in [15:45] simplest of them will be to not generate the error message like DCON issue [15:45] dipankar: Ok. Why so, Dipankar? [15:45] another can be to remove the modem connection settings from control pannels [15:45] *pannel [15:45] dipankar, good and you? [15:46] dfarning, I am doing good. Just getting on with the bugs and issues [15:46] dipankar, great. [15:46] manusheel sir: I removed to contents of gui.py file and reinstalled sugar-jhbuild but its still working fine. [15:47] manusheel, sir like DCON's presence was first detected and then the error message was passed. [15:47] we can follow the same [15:47] for the modem too [15:47] dfarning: does running sugar-jhbuild script regenerate .pyc files from .py source ? [15:48] kandarpk: Ok. [15:48] if a modem is present then only generate that message, or don't [15:48] dipankar: Let us try that option too. [15:48] kandarpk, yes. .pcy files and byte code compilations for .py file. [15:49] dfarning: I removed to contents of gui.py file and reinstalled sugar-jhbuild but its still working fine. [15:49] manusheel, but sir, i have a feeling that you meant something else in the e-mail. [15:50] dipankar: yed? [15:50] dfarning, kandarpk ahhh slight correction the .pyc file is created at run time. so it is created as part of the jhbuild ru process not the build process. [15:51] lfaraone, Good morning. hope you had the rest you needed [15:51] kandarpk, it is kind of a challange because if you delete a .py file something the .pyc can hang around:( [15:51] lfaraone, I was thinking if you could check log-activity? [15:51] dfarning: although they may be byte-compiled at build time with sme debian pckages. [15:51] dipankar: thanks. [15:51] dipankar: You are right. Re-thinking about the issue from a fresher perspective. [15:52] dipakar: Luke was working on it this morning. [15:52] manusheel, ok sir [15:52] dfarning: how do I edit the code to reflect the changes in the emulator ? [15:53] lfaraone, I didn't know that. Sorry if I interrupted you in some work :( [15:53] dipankar: no worries. [15:54] dipankar: can you reorder your copyright per jonas's preferred order? [15:54] ok [15:54] sure [15:55] lfaraone, can you reopen the restart sugar on change in CP issue it is important for tech support and students. [15:55] kandarpk, it is important to remember that jhbuild and sugar packages can co-exist. [15:57] dfarning: I edited sugar-jhbuild/install/lib/python2.6/site-packages/jarabe/controlpanel/gui.py and ran sugar-jhbuild to reinstall it. [15:57] dfarning: but there is no change on running sugar-jhbuild/install/bin/sugar-emulator [15:58] kandarpk, the best way to develop sugar is to work in sugar-jhbuild. edit the code under in install as you did then run sugar through sugar-jhbuild emulator [15:59] dfarning: Sure. It's still a wishlist item IMHO from the Ubuntu Side. [16:00] lfaraone, it is a huge issue for deployments and student usability. [16:01] dfarning: right, so in USR / Sugar Labs' tracker it can be whatever. [16:02] dfarning: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance is what we should use when triaging bugs in Ubuntu. [16:04] lfaraone, well, I don't expect any one upstream to fix it :-/ So it will fall on us. [16:04] lfaraone, also do I need to remove the © signs? [16:05] dipankar: that's stylistic. I like them, but you can do what you want as long as you're consistent [16:06] lfaraone, +1 hehe [16:09] lfaraone: Thank you for sending the link to me and David. Appreciate it. [16:34] dipankar: We don't have jabber.laptop.org [16:34] dipankar: did you have trouble reorging the fike? [16:35] manusheel, ohk. Then I seem to have got it wrong [16:36] lfaraone, I think I got it. I am pasting it [16:37] lfaraone, is it ok ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/475490/ [16:37] I got confused with the license : Expat [16:38] dipankar: the expat license is apparently the MIT/X11 license: http://www.jclark.com/xml/copying.txt [16:39] lfaraone, This is confusing! but Jonas has done something else :http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/sugar-presence-service.git;a=blob;f=debian/copyright;h=618ce7916d9fdd0a6984dd72e93f51f01c91ac35;hb=HEAD [16:40] is it okay if I leave it as it is? [16:40] dipankar: drop line 8 [16:40] dipankar: (it's implicit) [16:41] dipankar: and equal out the spacing, it looks uneven in the pastebin [16:42] lfaraone, The spacing is file on a text editor. [16:42] I wonder whats happening [16:43] dipankar: right, that's because you may be using tabs as opposed to spaces [16:43] ohk [16:43] lfaraone, i should use space or tab then? [16:44] dipankar: sp. [16:46] lfaraone, done, I guess. http://paste.ubuntu.com/475496/ [16:49] dipankar: commit it [16:55] lfaraone, doe [16:55] *done [16:55] and pushed the changes too [16:55] I am off to dinner [16:55] * dipankar is away: Be Right Back [16:57] manusheel sir: the source fo sugar presence service obtained from http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-presence-service/ looks better than the one under sugar-jhbuild [16:57] its docstrings have a lot more info. [16:57] and it looks upto date. [16:59] kandarpk: Great. [16:59] manusheel sir: I had reported it on sugar mailing list quite sometime ago but didn't get amy response on it. [17:00] Kandarp, ok. Let me create a dev id for seeta. [17:00] Let us send it from there. [17:01] kandarpk: Have you created the git repo for exelearning? [17:02] manusheel sir: Not yet. [17:02] manusheel sir: that would require pushing some 100MB code. [17:02] kandarpk: Ok. [17:03] kandarpk, if you set up the repo and add me a a comitter, I can push the code for you:) [17:04] dfarning: Ok, I'll try to set up a repo. then. [17:05] dfarning: why wasn't my method of rebuilding sugar-jhbuild working ? [17:09] kandarpk: Is it working now? [17:10] manusheel sir: working on 10.04, dont have jhbuild on it. [17:10] Ok. [17:12] kandarpk, I am not sure. [17:12] manusheel, who was working on jhbuild for 10.10 [17:12] dfarning: it was failing to build sugar-fructose or something like that, the 28th module. [17:13] dfarning: Kandarp has been working on it. [17:14] kandarpk: Can you send us the error message/ [17:14] ? [17:14] kandarpk: Not difficult to debug. [17:14] manusheel sir: will do that after sometime. setting git repo. on github [17:15] manusheel sir, dfarning : http://github.com/kandarp/exelearning [17:15] kandarpk, sorry I get confused. I can barely keep up with all the requests for bug reports and new tasks that manusheel asks for:) [17:16] kandarpk, manusheel any reason for not putting it on git.sl.org? [17:16] dfarning: No worries. The project has been growing dramatically. [17:16] dfarning: It should be kept over there. [17:16] dipankar: please pull my changes and investigate updating your packagre to the newest standards version (3.8.4-> 3.9.1 [17:16] dfarning: wasn't sure how to make a repo there [17:16] kandarpk: Please put this at git.sugarlabs.org [17:17] kandarpk: Very easy. [17:17] manusheel sir: sure [17:17] kandarpk: Create a repository at http://git.sugarlabs.org. [17:17] kandarpk: It is twice much easier to work with. [17:18] manusheel sir: will I need to register ofr creating a repo there ? [17:18] dfarning: We have been using github for quite a while on over other projects. Will ask developers to switch to git.sl.org. [17:18] dipankar: hint, see if any of http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/upgrading-checklist.txt applies to you, make changes if necc, and bump the stndrds version in control.in [17:18] kandarpk: Yes. [17:26] * lfaraone will brb, appts. [17:26] manusheel, thanks. kandarpk can you make the repo on git.sl.org? We want to make things as consistent as possible for new developers. [17:27] dfarning: Kandarp is doing that right now. [17:27] kandarpk, thanks. [17:27] dfarning: np. :) [17:31] manusheel sir, dfarning : http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/exelearning [17:33] kandarpk, can you add dfarning as a commiter? [17:34] dfarning: done. [17:37] kandarpk, thanks I am pushing now.... I will take a couple of hours on my current connection. [17:38] dfarning: will you be pushing the source you shared as tarball ? [17:38] *I wont need to clone the repo then. [17:39] kandarpk, yes [17:39] dfarning: great. [17:40] I'll log into 10.10 , will try to work on jhbuild. [17:55] dfarning, manusheel sir: http://paste.ubuntu.com/475527/ [17:55] pippy is failing to build. [17:56] *install [17:58] and hulahop failed to build http://paste.ubuntu.com/475526/ [18:02] neeraj, dipankar sir: I am done with the packaging of turtleart [18:04] neeraj, dipankar ,manusheel sir: Should I now create a repository in collab maint and push the package? [18:05] kandarpk, I would forget about hulahop. Please ask sascha how to remove drop xulrunner as a core dependancy? [18:07] dfarning, http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/bugs/2010-February/007686.html [18:08] dfarning: has this bug been solved ? [18:08] kandarpk, oops drop hulahop as a dependancy [18:09] dfarning: Ok, sascha doesn't seem to be online at #sugar [18:10] kandarpk: I'll send you his e-mail address. We'll copy [18:10] sugar-devel mailing list on it. [18:11] kandarpk, manusheel better if you ask on IRC of the Sugar-devel mailing list. [18:12] kandarpk, I don't think that bug has been fixed... but for Ubuntu/Debian we are going to switch from browse to surf. [18:15] dfarning: Sure. Thanks for the pointer. [18:16] dfarning: Ok, we have decided on switching from browse to surf. [18:18] manusheel, we really have not choice. either we spend a couple 100 hours now moving to surf or many 1000 hours later fighting with browse/xulrunner. [18:19] dfarning: Sure. That makes sense. [18:20] dfarning: Browsing internet and collaboration are two areas, which need some urgent work. [18:20] dfarning: jabber.sugarlabs.org taking 100% CPU time. In India, we cannot register to jabber. [18:20] manusheel, +1. [18:21] manusheel sir: I was able to see some poeple online in the neighbourhood view [18:22] manusheel sir: after maybe 25 min or so. [18:22] kandarpk: 25 mins is a very long time :-) [18:22] manusheel sir: +1 [18:24] kandarpk: Is registration working at your end on the sugar emulator/ [18:24] ? [18:24] kandarpk: e-mail daveb and ask for reset of shared roster....This happens when it fills up [18:24] satellit_: Ok, thanks a lot. [18:25] neeraj sir: how does the uscan command work? [18:25] manusheel sir: I see two people now. [18:25] in neighbourhood view. [18:27] manusheel sir: registration ? [18:28] dipankar sir: How to use the uscan command in watch file ?? [18:29] just a sec [18:29] dipankar, kandarpk ,neeraj sir: What is meant by proper uscan-ized URL? [18:30] mukul, I remember putting a flag with uscan [18:30] but which flag I forgot [18:31] mukul, the link here is what you are looking for: http://paste.ubuntu.com/475536/ [18:31] dipankar sir: My browser isn't working [18:33] mukul, browser? Mozilla? [18:33] mukul, to open a link try "Cntrl + Click on the link on Xchat" [18:33] dipankar sir: Yes I know that [18:34] but my browser isn't displaying anything...maybe some internet error with the connection [18:34] dipankar sir: Could you tell me how uscan is used or is it essential? [18:35] dipankar sir: I have made the package and created a repo at allioth. Should I push it now or does it require a review? [18:35] mukul, currently you can do away without using uscan [18:36] mukul, it will require a review by us first and then Luke === satellit_ is now known as satellit_afk [18:36] mukul, how about I take these things up tomorrow? [18:36] dipankar sir: in the watch file I have written the link of the tarball from where I downloaded the turtle art activity.Is it ok? [18:37] dipankar sir: I have no problem but it has been about 2 days when I hv almost done but not pushed it. Neeraj sir was guiding me on this. [18:38] dipankar sir: What should I mail you all for review? [18:38] debian folder(compressed) or .deb file or the whole package [18:39] mukul, nothing special. just mail all of us that you have pushed changes on your git repo and would like it get reviewed [18:39] .deb is just to check whether you package is working or not [18:39] mukul, its getting late [18:39] I must go to bed [18:39] :( [18:40] * dipankar signs off! Great day to all [18:40] dipankar sir: sure.Take care [18:43] mukul: Please let me know if you have issues. [18:46] neeraj: Should I push my package [18:46] ? [18:51] mukul: yes [18:51] manusheel sir: I have pushed in the package sugar-turtleart-activity. I would like if someone reviews it. [18:56] mukul: Sure. Do we have warnings? [18:57] manusheel sir: No only the 4 warnings which neeraj sir said everyone has and cannot be solved [18:57] mukul: Perfect. [18:58] mukul: Have you created an ITP for it? [18:58] manusheel sir: Yes, all the remaining warnings were solved yesterday only [19:00] mukul: Great. [19:00] File an ITP for it. [19:00] manusheel sir: I filed an ITP for it yesterday [19:01] mukul: Great. [19:03] mukul: We'll submit Turtle Art for review today. [19:03] Good work. [19:03] manusheel, the exe git repo is uploaded. [19:03] mukul: Congratulations on packaging Turtle Art successfully. [19:04] dfarning: Great. Thank you. === satellit_afk is now known as satellit_ [19:43] manusheel: dfarning: Jabber reset [19:44] thank daveb on#sugar [20:20] satellit_: Glad to hear. [20:21] satellit_: Are you able to register to jabber.sugarlabs.org? [20:38] oops USR does not show any XO let me boot Soas.... [20:39] satellit_: Sure. [20:39] Please let us know your results. [20:39] 2 min for CD... [20:41] 7 avitars on soas CD... [20:42] looks like USR last good is not starting presence service. [20:42] 10.04 [20:43] manusheel: question: does it fill in jabber name as a default? I did not check that... [20:44] rebooting [20:47] yes it does [20:49] telepathy gabble : no connections, and timed out telepathy-salut stared version 0.3.11 (telepathy-glib version 0.10.1) from log [20:54] satellit_: Same issue. [20:54] satellit_: We encountered it too. [20:54] ok... [20:54] satellit_: Can you report this at ubuntu sugar mailing list? [20:55] ok [21:02] done [21:05] IRC works fine [21:07] surf 115 goes to sugarlabs wiki fine [21:09] satellit_: Thank you for posting at list serv. [21:09] yw thanks fo all your valuable work on USR [21:10] s/for [21:10] satellit_: Can you try visiting www.youtube.com using surf? [21:10] satellit_: Appreciate it. [21:10] : ) [21:11] will test it..... [21:12] yes comes up on screen: Broadcast yourself..... [21:12] but I need to upgrade Adobe Flash to see videos [21:14] apt upgrade fo 9.04+ fails [21:15] deb dl to journal will not install [21:16] manysheel: no Adobe.... [21:22] manusheel: logged out of sugar-emulator and installed .deb Adobe-flash 10 to firefox. works fine with audio.... [21:23] hp AMD Turion64x2 Laptop [21:24] In USR last working [21:51] manusheel: after turning radio on and off and loggong off and on to sugar-emulator..Presence seems to be on now on USR??????I see 10 avitars (XO) [21:54] (telepathy-gabble:2303): tp-glib-DEBUG: started version 0.8.12 (telepathy-glib version 0.10.1) I do not understand smoke and mirrors of it? === bernie is now known as bernie_afk [23:07] satellit_: Very cool. [23:08] This is wonderful indeed. [23:27] satellit_: after turning radio on and off and loggong off and on to sugar-emulator..Presence seems to be on now on USR??????I see 10 avitars (XO) [23:27] satellit_: Why do you need to do the same steps a number of times? [23:29] alsroot: Hi Aleksey. [23:29] Around? [23:30] satellit_: Is presence working now? [23:30] manusheel: I do not know : It was 3 minutes ago [23:30] satellit_: Ok. [23:31] satellit_: We were informed that jabber.sugarlabs.org was not working in the morning. Glad it is working now. [23:32] I left USR running while I loaded Adobe in firefox in gnome Ubuntu 10.04 before I logged out I shut off radio in Control panel then turned it on. logged out to gnome , on return presence was working...? [23:33] I e-mailed daveb at solution grove and he reset shared roster and rebooted it [23:33] manusheel he is one running it [23:33] satellit_: Neat. Thank you for reporting the workflow followed at your end. Glad it worked. [23:34] satellit_: Yes, daveb is looking after that part. [23:34] me too but do not know why. Maybe it had switched to local and nedded reset [23:34] s/needed [23:35] not sure if reset from log out or radio button..... [23:35] Glad he reset the shared roster. satellit_, we would need to understand what caused that switching, if it took place. [23:36] thinkif no answer from jabber it time out to local collaboration by default. [23:36] s/times [23:36] satellit_: Yes. [23:36] That should be the case. [23:37] jabber was not running when I logged in first time [23:37] But, appropriate alerts should be there for the same. [23:37] +1 [23:37] and it should do periodic checks [23:37] satellit_: Yes, it was not running indeed. I'll add this as a feature request. Yes, periodic checks should be done too. [23:38] satellit_: This is one the very basic requirement. [23:38] I have lobbied for a feature on Cp to select presence or local with out reboot [23:38] satellit_: That is infact much better. [23:38] problem is with periodic checks is that you may want local colaboration [23:39] However, without reboot, I am not sure it would happen. Will need to study the code. [23:39] satellit_: Right. That is indeed a limitation to bear with periodic checks. [23:40] There would be a workaround for it. [23:40] in fedora "killall-telepathy-gabble" is command to turn it off [23:40] not in USR sugar [23:41] maybe list of previous jabber servers you have connected to..so could click on it to start it after stop [23:43] satellit_: Right. This is not in USR. [23:43] Let me take a note of it. [23:44] We should have this kind of a feature.