[14:43] <Pendulum> maco: ping
[14:45] <Pendulum> pleia2: ping
[15:12] <maco> Pendulum: pong
[15:12] <Pendulum> can I PM you?
[15:12] <Pendulum> maco: ^^
[15:13] <maco> Pendulum: yep always
[15:37] <jono> #boycottnovell
[15:37] <jono> oops
[15:38]  * Pendulum giggles
[15:39] <MarkDude> :D
[15:41] <MarkDude> Well at least it was not a password being typed in. That is the worst when you see somebody do that
[15:43] <czajkowski> jono: aloha there
[15:44] <jono> hey czajkowski
[16:49]  * nigelb laughs a bit about jono's oops :D
[16:52] <rww> maybe "#boycottnovell" /is/ his password
[16:53] <jono> haha
[16:53] <jono> not my pass :)
[17:25]  * pleia2 was still asleeping
[17:26] <Pendulum> pleia2: I know, but I wanted to make sure you knew I was looking for you
[17:26] <Pendulum> can I PM you?
[17:26] <Pendulum> s/can/may
[17:27] <pleia2> any time
[17:28] <rww> nickserv info needs an optional PM policy field
[17:31] <Pendulum> rww: that would be awesome!
[17:31] <Pendulum> most people I know in non-ubuntu channels don't care if they get PMed (I don't care if people PM me without asking, for the record), but within Ubuntu it seems to be quite a mix
[17:32] <maco> Pendulum: its different between friends ;-)
[17:32] <Pendulum> maco: even that can get complicated :-)
[17:32] <rww> although now that I think of it, nickserv allows you to add arbitrary metadata fields, so people could just start using them ;)
[17:33] <Pendulum> but I generally mean anyone can PM me. If they troll me in PM, I can ignore them and generally that means they go away
[17:33] <nigelb> rww: I like that idea.
[17:33] <nigelb> Pendulum: Its about being polite I think.
[17:33] <nigelb> There are people who's PM windows are always open on my irssi.  I don't ask.  I just PM them.
[17:33] <rww> and yeah, I may be overthinking something that's more about politeness than policy
[17:33] <Pendulum> nigelb: like me :P
[17:34] <nigelb> Pendulum: yep :)
[17:34] <maco> nigelb: yep same here
[17:35] <pleia2> the problem in -women channels is that they are notorious for being trolled by people who PM lots of members and women silently leave without reporting it, which is sad
[17:35] <maco> i tend to go with permission being permanent-until-revoked
[17:35] <Pendulum> yeah, that's why I'm careful to ask people who generally hang out in -women channels
[17:35] <nigelb> maco: yeah, you're window is one of the numbers I end up learning ;)
[17:35] <maco> so if youve had permission to PM me once a year ago...meh go ahead
[17:36] <nigelb> maco: that's what I do, but depends on the person too.
[17:36] <Pendulum> maco: good to know :P
[17:36] <maco> though if its been that long, might want to remind me who you are!
[17:36] <rww> my only open pm windows are with bots right now :S
[17:36] <maco> nigelb: i gathered that, given how often you PM me
[17:37] <nigelb> maco: you're not so bad either :p
[17:37] <Pendulum> nigelb: let me guess the list of PM windows you know are for those who will be after you if you don't make it to UDS + maco + me
[17:37] <Pendulum> :P
[17:38] <rww> I should probably sort out UDS travel plans, huh
[17:38] <nigelb> Pendulum: well, the list of people who'll be after me is perfect.
[17:38] <nigelb> you and maco fall into that list I believe.
[17:38] <maco> nigelb: i have made no threats of violence
[17:39] <nigelb> maco: No threats.  But thats more fearful.
[17:39] <MarkDude> I will hard time you also nigelb - possibly mocking something about you :D
[17:39] <Pendulum> nigelb: I won't be after you the way Mike & Chris are. Just give you a hard time :P
[17:39]  * MarkDude is more than likely going, if the location is figured out
[17:39] <nigelb> Pendulum: Yes, psycological kick.  Worst part, you don't even need to fly down here for that.
[17:39]  * nigelb figures maco would do the same.
[17:39] <rww> MarkDude: Orlando
[17:40] <MarkDude> scratch that, I am not going I guess
[17:40] <nigelb> haha
[17:40] <nigelb> wait, we're on the logged channel.
[17:40] <MarkDude> Maybe could have if I had say, idk 6 months to plan
[17:40] <Pendulum> I really hope I can go, but it'll depend on whether I get sponsorship and if not what my money situation is like
[17:41] <MarkDude> What is the deal with waiting till the last momnet to announce?
[17:41] <rww> what's the deal with sponsorship? did applications get decided already and I missed it, or are they upcoming?
[17:41] <Pendulum> rww: application isn't out yet
[17:41] <maco> MarkDude: hard to announce before you plan?
[17:41] <rww> Pendulum: oh, good
[17:41] <pleia2> rww: technically they haven't made "The Official Announcement" about UDS
[17:42] <pleia2> we don't know the venue or anything
[17:42] <nigelb> rww: we'll all be talking about it then.
[17:42] <rww> pleia2: true
[17:42]  * MarkDude knows of other projects that plan events *six months* in advance :(
[17:42] <nigelb> pleia2: well, I think we do.  But I'm not so sure if I was supposed to find out.
[17:42] <nigelb> MarkDude: thats going to happen.  According to jorge, they will now revisit old venues so they can plan better.
[17:42] <Pendulum> MarkDude: because it's only been recently that they've started planning release cycles more than 6 months in advance so they haven't been able to really make plans of where more than 6 months in advance
[17:43] <rww> MarkDude, pleia2: maybe we should just all drive there. LoCo roadtrip! If we don't hate each other by the end of it, it'd be a bonding exercise
[17:43] <pleia2> nigelb: well, *I* don't
[17:43]  * MarkDude apologizes. 
[17:43]  * MarkDude & flannel in a car. It would be a *buddy movie*
[17:43] <Pendulum> MarkDude: don't. it's a common issue people have. I've complained about it. I only found out the reasoning during conversations at UDS-M
[17:43] <MarkDude> totally awesome
[17:43] <pleia2> unfortunately I am helping plan an OLPC-SF event sat and sunday before, I can't swing getting to orlandy for monday
[17:44] <pleia2> orlando too
[17:44] <nigelb> heh
[17:44]  * MarkDude finds it BS. Does not feel the need to vent here in UW tho :)
[17:44] <nigelb> MarkDude: think about people like me.
[17:44] <nigelb> We need to get sponsorship and get visa too
[17:45] <pleia2> I don't know the reason either, but it makes it very difficult for me too
[17:45] <rww> MarkDude: could put you, Flannel, and grantbow in the back of my van for 2,815 miles. You *might* get everything figured out given that much time.
[17:45] <Pendulum> it makes it difficult for everyone
[17:45] <maco> MarkDude: claire told me at UDS Barcelona that one reason is that its hard to find places capable of holding it, now that UDS is reguarly > 300 people
[17:45] <MarkDude> nigelb, I feel you
[17:45] <maco> it used to be 20 people
[17:45] <MarkDude> rww, we need some tequila & foam baseball bats also
[17:45] <czajkowski> also to alternate it so folks dont always have to travel 20 +hrs is nice
[17:46] <pleia2> rww: hahaha
[17:46] <czajkowski> so some times it's a long haul and others it's a 3-4 hr flight
[17:47] <czajkowski> I can understand peoples frustration, but try adn see it from an organisers point, it's damn hard to fit over 300 people into one venue for a week and oragnise flights accomodation, meals trasport for it all
[17:47] <nigelb> I wish there was a UDS in Asia.
[17:47] <MarkDude> rww - dont forget that Chris & Courtney would travel also. They could join the chorus with pleia2 "cant we all just get along
[17:47] <Pendulum> I think part of the idea with Robbie mapping out the release cycles not just for Maverick, but for the next few cycles after that is hopefully they'll know real dates earlier
[17:47] <czajkowski> Pendulum: aye
[17:47] <nigelb> Anywhere.  Dubai.  Singapore.  Muscat.  Malaysia.
[17:47] <Pendulum> before this release cycles have pretty much been mapped out one at a time and not early enough
[17:47] <czajkowski> nigelb: also cost may amount to more to fly in the people there, dont forget to take that into account
[17:48]  * MarkDude ponders filing a *bug* on planning times
[17:48] <Pendulum> nigelb: yeah, people in Asia definitely get the short end of the stick with the travel bit
[17:48] <nigelb> czajkowski: how is that going to cost more?
[17:48] <czajkowski> nigelb: flying say 6 people from those areas to say EU or USA is one amount, flying 300 people there is another matter
[17:48] <nigelb> At least the veneues are going to be cheaper.
[17:48] <maco> nigelb: there was one in australia a few years ago...but that was back when it was 20 people
[17:48] <nigelb> maco: also before it was called UDS
[17:48] <nigelb> It was some Ubuntu Down Under
[17:48] <czajkowski> nigelb: I'm pricing flights atm to NZ, for next year over €3000
[17:48] <nigelb> czajkowski: but NZ ain't Asia.
[17:49] <nigelb> NZ and Aus expensive I agree.
[17:49] <maco> czajkowski: 3000 euro?!
[17:49] <czajkowski> nigelb: I'm just giving you an example as for a flight to fly fro EU to that area
[17:49] <nigelb> Middle East and/or Singapore or Malasia is different.
[17:49] <czajkowski> maco: yes!
[17:49] <maco> flights from US to AU are $1000
[17:49] <maco> same as US to UK
[17:49] <czajkowski> maco: I should look at that combo as I can get a flight for USA for about €600
[17:50] <nigelb> czajkowski: The places I said arn't in *that* area.
[17:50] <Pendulum> maco: we're a lot closer to Australia than Ireland/UK are
[17:50] <czajkowski> nigelb: sigh this conversations happens every single 6 months wiht someone
[17:50] <czajkowski> it will never suit everyone
[17:50] <maco> we need TARDISes
[17:51] <Pendulum> nigelb: I suspect it's concerns about *more* people needing visas and security concerns (I'm fairly certain the US has a "security warning" for just about anywhere in Asia)
[17:51] <nigelb> Pendulum: haha
[17:51] <Pendulum> I'm serious
[17:52] <nigelb> I thought Singapore was famous layover destination.
[17:52] <Pendulum> difference between layover and final destination
[17:52] <nigelb> Its only a week layover :p
[17:52] <Pendulum> and Americans tend to want to stay away from Singapore because of the strict laws
[17:52] <Pendulum> I don't think they're necessarily right with the warnings, but I'm fairly certain they exist
[17:53] <nigelb> Are you confusing Malaysia with Singapore?
[17:53] <nigelb> or am I :/
[17:53]  * nigelb consults wiki
[17:53] <Pendulum> nigelb: no, two differenct statements about 2 different things
[17:54] <Pendulum> the "right about warnings" one was follow-up on my mention of US security BS, and not necessarily applicable to singapore
[17:54] <nigelb> ahh
[18:10] <MarkDude> Either way nigelb I hope you can make it to UDS
[18:14] <nigelb> MarkDude: I hope I don't get kicked.
[18:14] <rww> people can't actually kick you if you never go to UDS :3
[18:14] <rww> unless someone perfected Violence Over IP and didn't tell me
[18:15] <nigelb> rww: LOL
[18:15] <nigelb> Didn't know you had RSS feeds from the devs
[18:16] <czajkowski> throttling over IP works wonders
[18:16] <nigelb> Also, I think most employees who get paid tot take calls would agree that VIOP is expanded as violence over IP
[18:19] <AlanBell> not sure that "violence ftw" is the ideal U-W policy
[18:20] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I never said ftw :)
[18:47] <AlanBell> hugs ftw
[18:47] <rww> ... oops, I forgot /say
[18:47] <rww> /ctcp AlanBell HUG
[19:08] <Pendulum> pleia2: you can haz interview :-)
[19:09] <czajkowski> I haz itchy nose
[19:09] <pleia2> Pendulum: thank you!
[19:09] <nigelb> Storm coming!
[19:09] <Pendulum> pleia2: thank maco!
[19:09] <pleia2> thanks maco! :)
[19:09] <Pendulum> I may have sleep soon
[19:11]  * AlanBell ponders whether to remind Pendulum of something, or let her sleep
[19:11]  * AlanBell decides sleep
[19:12] <Pendulum> AlanBell: I know, I know. I'd just like a brain back first :P
[19:12] <czajkowski> brains come in useful
[19:13] <czajkowski> http://twitgoo.com/1h4exg bed time reading tonight!
[19:13] <Pendulum> czajkowski: is that what you tweeted earlier?
[19:13] <czajkowski> yup
[19:14] <czajkowski> problem is while I read it I start thinking about projects I'm working on and how I can tweek them, not a good idea when I need to sleep