[00:18] apachelogger: hehe [00:19] plasma-netbook is crashing on my netbook for my user but not for a new user. grr. and my .kde/share/config/plasma-netbook* are stock so BOO [00:20] by which i mean i deleted them this morning and they were regenerated [00:23] * maco waits for dbg symbols to download at 12Kbps [00:41] * Riddell starts the 4.5 uploading/copying [00:48] * claydoh|werk thinks of way to pimp jo Muon to the world, but really should be werking........ [00:52] Nice feedback on the web site. [00:52] maco: Was this an upgrade from Karmic? [00:55] plasmoidviewer-appletsrc is a problem on karmic upgrades [00:56] Riddell: great, release is tomorr...today? [00:57] sometime after the next sunrise [00:57] oh [01:00] apachelogger: http://whatthecommit.com/ [01:03] ScottK: yes it is [01:03] ScottK: ive had one working boot post-upgrade, but the last 2 have been crashy faily for plasma-netbook (desktop is fine) on my uer [01:03] *user [01:08] maco: rm ~/.kde/share/config/plasm* [01:08] Then restart your session. [02:01] <|dantti|> rickspencer3: in what language the ubiquity installer is written in? [02:01] <|dantti|> :( [02:01] <|dantti|> sorry [02:01] <|dantti|> Riddell: ^^ [02:02] |dantti|, it's Python, I suppose [02:02] he's right, PyKDE [02:03] talking to d-i through some magic [02:03] * maco likes PyKDE [02:03] <|dantti|> :( [02:04] <|dantti|> I'd like to fix some stuff but I guess I should focus on kpk then... [02:05] ubiquity needs more than a fix currently, it needs large parts rewritten to match the new gnome frontend [02:05] I'll probably have to start on it after the 4.5 release [02:06] <|dantti|> If you port it to cpp I'll be glad to help out :P [02:08] Riddell: can i code well enough in python to help? [02:09] maco: only one way to find out [02:09] im just not sure about time :( [02:09] Riddell: when does it need to be done? [02:10] toot sweet [02:50] Riddell: toot sweet? youve been watching Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? what does that have to do with "when does it need to be done?"?? [02:51] it's French [02:52] Riddell: je ne parles pas francais [02:52] * maco waits for aurélien to come slap me for misspelling something in there [04:31] Riddell: No new tarball for kde4libs? [04:32] NCommander: In case you were wondering, kdebindings is still broken on armel with the revised tarballs: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/53397178/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-armel.kdebindings_4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [04:34] maco: Is there a DC area KDE 4.5 release party? [04:39] ScottK: not that anyone's told me about [04:39] ScottK: however novalug is having a linuxpicnic on saturday and it seems the dc loco and dc debian group are now aware of this fact so.... seems a good thing to tack on? [04:40] OK. Thanks. I'll be busy on Saturday, so no opinion. [04:41] That and you can't be the KDE spokeperson unless your plasma quits crashing. [04:43] haha i do have 3 laptops running kubuntu, ya know :P [04:43] though one of them is promised to slackware soonish. when i figure out how to pxe boot wirelessly... [04:44] (in practice i think this means crossover capable to another laptop because i dont have a router) === SolidLiq is now known as solid_liq [04:52] * maco waits for dbg package to finish downloading (has been 5hr) [05:34] weee finally submitting crash report [07:14] Hey i'm wondering if anyone can push me in the right direction. I'm a developer and I looking to improve graphic rendering in kubuntu to make it smoother. Should I be looking more into xorg and xserver or is plasma rendering what i should focus on instead? [08:12] Hello [08:13] Can anybody tell me who is kde maintainer on kubuntu? [08:13] LonghornGT_: there's no such thing [08:13] we dont have maintainers [08:13] 10-15 people work as a team to package each release [08:14] OK, If I want to help u? [08:15] i think 4.5 is packaged now, but if you know how to package the Kubuntu Ninjas could likely use help with the next kde release [08:15] well with 4.5.1 and whatnot really [08:15] but i dont think the europeans are up yet [08:16] (i'm a past-bedtime american) [08:16] OK, how to get 4.5 FINAL in lucid? [08:16] from a PPA [08:16] kubuntu-ppa/beta? [08:16] at the moment its there [08:16] it should be kubuntu-ppa/backports soon i think [08:17] do you know about ubuntu's stable release update policy? [08:17] nope [08:17] !sru | LonghornGT_, this is why 4.5 wont be in the main repo for lucid [08:17] LonghornGT_, this is why 4.5 wont be in the main repo for lucid: Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [08:19] u know guys I have an issue with ubiquity kde installer [08:19] it's slow AS HELL [08:19] Why? [08:20] Even on fast, really fast machines! [08:21] its python? [08:21] but it needs a redo in 10.10 to match the new one in ubuntu. Riddell said he's going to look at it, and umm well we'll see if my PyKDE skills are up to helping him [08:22] I have some concepts forinstaller [08:22] for installer [08:25] a bit late for 10.10, but if you can make mockups or write it up detailed-like for discussion regarding 11.04...? [08:25] <\sh> the installer is just still a frontend to the backend written by cjwatson, right? [08:25] \sh: yes [08:26] \sh: but the gui is being overhauled to match ubuntu's ubiquity gui [08:26] \sh: good morning :) [08:26] <\sh> maco: good morning to you too :) [08:26] \sh: its actually very late at night here ;-) [08:27] Wait I'll find it in my archive [08:27] maco, don't you have work in the morning? [08:27] valorie: yes [08:27] :-) [08:27] valorie: im going to be tired again *sigh* [08:27] <\sh> maco: company just starting to roll here..I came 2 hours earlier :( [08:27] go to bed! [08:27] sleep, perchance to dream [08:28] Here is the archive: http://www.filesovermiles.com/9092807baf4448d48d7f3391f06593cf [08:28] Have a look [08:30] Oh noes [08:30] Man who is seeding it is onoffline [08:30] <\sh> .oO(I wonder if the installer will be faster, when its written in c++ with python embed calls under the hood to take advantage of the backend) [08:44] maco: if you're doing a release party kinda thing please add it to the wiki page [08:45] Nightrose: officially, we're not... no kde party has been organised. theres a "hey its summer, linux geeks get together" linux picnic happening which i imagine may have a few kde users present....but i dont know [08:45] maco: the same was done for other parties [08:45] 2 or more KDEers get together and do cheers! [08:45] just add it [08:46] rah, rah, KDE! [08:46] :D [08:46] ok. in the morning, after i look up the details of the picnic [08:46] ok [08:46] thx [08:46] too bad I don't have any KDE stickers for my lappy [08:46] there is a Linuxchix meeting tomorrow.....err, this evening [09:14] good morning kubuntu [09:17] maco: now, unless apport retrace did weid things I do not understand the crash appears to be in qca/qssl/ssl/crypto/libc :O [09:18] ah [09:18] it happens in the socket shutdown [09:18] that is random :S [09:20] Riddell: ping [09:35] o/ [09:40] Riddell: ping [09:58] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100810085619-tmqsmvbkqzvhssoa * src/share/ (ShareDialog.cpp ShareDialog.h) ctor++ [09:58] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100810085516-zm1kblv9d8m3x9js * src/share/ (ContactSelector.cpp ContactSelector.h ShareDialog.cpp) * documentation++ * function naming fix (getAddresses() -> addresses()) [10:07] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100810090716-rb7aigv6s8pkyke1 * src/share/ShareDialog.h documentation++ [10:11] agateau: pong [10:11] apachelogger: pong [10:12] Riddell: I tried u1-kde in a fresh 10.10 vbox and it worked pretty well, except for the crash of ubuntu-sso-qt that maco got too [10:14] apachelogger: and magically overnight my files got synced so it's working here too [10:14] brilliant [10:14] Riddell: I'll ask for alpha testing today then [10:14] once I fixed that ubuntu-sso crash [10:20] Riddell: what's the state of the soundmenu patch in Amarok? [10:22] hmm [10:23] agateau: it was added but seems to have been accidently dropped [10:23] maybe it wasn't put into bzr so it didn't get inluded in the next puload [10:23] Riddell: ok, can you add it back? [10:23] yes, will do [10:24] apachelogger: with ubuntuone-kde alpha, the translation will open too? [10:24] no [10:25] Riddell: great [10:34] * Riddell starts copying over 4.5 to backports PPA [10:40] Riddell: awesome! [11:09] * apachelogger is wondering why a signal emission causes a random crash long after the signal was emitted === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:17] :O [11:17] beautiful [11:17] ubuntu-sso-client is the broken \o/ [11:18] shurly shome mishtake [11:19] *shrug* [11:19] the packaging is sort of not working at all [11:20] doesnt create dist-packages stuff [11:20] neither does it have all deps listed [11:22] that's not unusual for packages from them [11:23] Depends: python (<< 2.7), python (>= 2.6), python-support (>= 0.90.0) [11:23] let me correct myself ... it does have no deps listed [11:23] that's not unusual for packages from them [11:23] ^^ [11:38] does update-apt-xapi have to eat that much RAM Oo [11:38] Riddell: didn't we change back to konqueror? [11:38] my install from yesterday still starts rekonq [11:42] apachelogger: actually nobody made that change, and since rekonq has now stopped randomly crashing I have no desire for it [11:42] ah, ok [11:54] hm [11:55] Riddell, maco: I think that crash in ubuntu-sso-qt might have been caused by glib or something ... cannot reproduce it anymore after todays upgrades... [11:55] yay [11:58] oh [11:58] there it is [11:58] apparently it only happens in combination with the syncdaemon :O [11:58] ** testers needed for 4.5.0 in lucid [12:01] Riddell: it isnt in the beta repo? [12:05] jussi: well no, it's not a beta [12:05] jussi: are you able to test it? [12:05] Riddell: Im installing it now :D [12:05] jussi: where from? [12:05] ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports [12:05] groovy [12:06] 5 minutes into rekonq and crash :/ [12:08] Riddell: has the full release not built/been copied over? [12:08] Get:3 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/ lucid/main libqt4-dbg 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu3~lucid1~ppa4 [12:08] hi! i also try to update to 4.5.0 from 4.5rc2 (kubuntu beta repo). most packages are blocked. [12:09] markus____: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports [12:10] Riddell: or is Qt still a beta? [12:10] jussi: yes, i try to use ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports [12:10] * jussi is all confuzzled [12:11] oh, qt seems not to be blocked. i try that first [12:12] jussi: yes qt 4.7 is not yet released [12:12] now I cannot reproduce the crash -.- [12:12] this is one silly issue right there [12:12] markus____: what are you using to upgrade? [12:13] kpackagekit [12:13] it says 266 packages blocked or so. [12:13] synaptic or apt-get tries to remove kde, koffice and so on [12:14] hey guys [12:14] same here [12:14] markus____: can you pastebin the output of sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ? [12:14] blocked packages :D [12:16] Ridell: hmm, seemed that libqt4-webkit-dev blocks the qt update. i removed it. now, kpackagekit is updating qt4 [12:17] Riddell take a look ;) http://pastebin.com/AG5yv7eC [12:17] Ridell: after that, i'll give you an update [12:17] Riddell: the X stuff I was talking about yesterday: http://imgur.com/9m5UU http://imgur.com/0c0VO [12:18] cripes, good thing you guys mentioned it... I didnt read properly :/ same here. [12:19] Riddel: with the aptitude output, it seems to be kdelibs which isn't uploaded [12:19] apachelogger: yeah, known issue, KDM seems to timeout on the live CD [12:19] Riddell: that is not the CD, but an install :S [12:20] yoann21 may have cracked it [12:22] Hey [12:22] i upgraded to 4.5 on maveric [12:22] and i have big stuff :D [12:22] shot on the way [12:22] Riddell: yep kdepim is still in ninja [12:23] i still have to backport it to lucid... will do that tommorow [12:24] Riddell: so why is that dialog GTK? [12:25] shadeslayer: ah, great [12:25] apachelogger: because nobody has ported it to use kdialog :( [12:25] and then one of these days ill actually get my head around that patch in kdepim and fix it [12:25] :/ [12:26] Riddell: do you happen to know where that stuff is? [12:26] anyone know http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001400985381 ?? [12:26] apachelogger: failsave X is in x11-common [12:26] apachelogger: /etc/gdm/failsafeXServer [12:26] apachelogger: although I don't know if kdialog supports all the options used by zenity there [12:27] what this world needs is less scripting :P [12:29] Riddell: seems there are some more packages missing, other than kdelibs. e.g. libplasma3 [12:34] heh... i have half of kde waiting to be updated... :P [12:34] and X as well [12:35] only good thing is that my download speed is 10x right now... [12:35] markus____: still being published [12:36] Riddell: i'll wait. thanks a lot for your work. [12:37] Riddell: btw the builders are chroots/pbuilders or VM's ? [12:37] shadeslayer: what builders? [12:37] LP buildd [12:37] Riddell: how would you check for KDE in failsafe? [12:38] apachelogger: I don't think you can reliable, you just check if kdialog is installed and use it if it is [12:38] k [12:39] Riddell: btw kdenetwork isnt picking up libortp [12:40] shadeslayer: you haven't committed any changes to kdenetwork [12:40] yes i know, the changes are local [12:40] i was testing it out in a cowbuilder and it didnt pick up libortp [12:41] http://imgur.com/KRNDv [12:41] * shadeslayer gives apachelogger kookie [12:47] ok kde4libs should be in the PPA now [12:47] markus____: please try update and dist-upgrading [12:47] Ridell: I'm already on it! thanks [12:49] Riddell: ahh, so now its only: libqt4-webkit-dev that will be removed. [12:51] apachelogger: should ubuntu one kde now work? [12:51] jussi: that's fine to go [12:51] excellent :) [12:52] hmm.. stuck at connecting to cloud :( [12:54] apachelogger: ^ [12:55] Riddell: same for me as for nerdy_kid. smooth install, loggin out/in [12:56] shadeslayer: get some dbg output [12:57] apachelogger: ubuntu-sso says nothing and look http://pastebin.com/XU3qDucw [12:58] hmm [12:58] oh right [12:58] ubuntu-sso needs special compile switch to get qDebug working [12:58] :S [13:00] installing dbg symbols as well [13:00] oh my god, 161 package to upgrade [13:00] ulysses: yeah :D [13:00] most of kde* i believe.. [13:00] also known as " Upstream messed up tarballs " [13:01] shadeslayer: yes, 4.5.0-0ubuntu1 to 4.5.0b-0ubuntu2 [13:01] is this the final KDE 4.5 release? [13:01] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/kKLY35Q8 [13:01] incase you missed it [13:02] brrr [13:02] Riddell: kdialog can only be sized using X' -geometry which also requires placement relative to a screenedge -.- [13:03] ulysses: hold off on upgrading id say [13:03] we need new kdebase :( [13:04] shadeslayer: I put that fix in last night [13:05] ah ok good to know.... i was looking at kdebase instead of runtime :S [13:05] ulysses: upgrades ftw :D [13:09] Riddell: upgrade successfully finished. [13:11] any ideas why kdenetwork isnt picking up libortp [13:12] shadeslayer: the version in bzr doesn't build-dep on libortp [13:12] yes i know, but i made it build dep on my machine and now cmake output says it doesnt find libortp [13:14] build-dep of what? [13:14] hold on :P [13:15] looks like everytime there's a problem with packages for kde build the first time :D [13:15] stuff needs fixes :D === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [13:15] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/VQhRyizK [13:15] line 20 [13:16] should be fine [13:16] it isnt :( [13:16] if it's not being picked up maybe that's an issue with the new 3.3.2 version [13:16] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/2QavMTjd [13:18] oh no, rekonq loses scrollbars when opening a new tab [13:19] Riddell: err... libraries have extensions .a or .so ? [13:19] and hp-systray messes up the system tray .. [13:19] because if its .a .... were in trouble [13:20] shadeslayer: .a is static libraries, .so dynamic libraries [13:22] ohk [13:22] still doesnt explain why kdenetwork isnt picking up ortp [13:23] Riddell: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/53329691/linphone_3.3.2-2_amd64.build [13:23] shadeslayer: Muon upgrades just now:D [13:23] :) [13:27] reboot [13:27] ok.. if libktorrent is in main, why doesnt kdenetwork dep on it ? : [13:27] apachelogger you're workin on muon, right? :) [13:28] sheytan: that would be jte [13:28] here's not here [13:28] anyway [13:28] apachelogger is currently working on getting ubuntu-one kde to actually work on maverick [13:28] when i remove kpk and install muon, will i have updates notifications etc? [13:29] tbh those notifications freak me out [13:29] and they refuse to go away :( [13:30] sheytan: no [13:30] Muon doesn't use notifications this time [13:30] this sucks. bad tranlsation for kpk kcm breaks my systesettings layout [13:30] o.O [13:31] yesterday my Kickoff became english, now its hungarian again, wtf? [13:31] ulysses: cache issue? [13:31] however it was better in English in some place… [13:31] -- Found libortp: /usr/lib/libortp.so [13:32] shadeslayer: works fine here [13:32] :O [13:32] ill go nuts ... [13:32] * jussi hugs bdrung [13:32] jussi: why? [13:32] hi, a kubuntu developer here having time for looking at one sponsor request? [13:32] Riddell: thats with my control file ? [13:34] shadeslayer: no with bzr one [13:34] bdrung: what's needed? [13:34] 0_o [13:34] shadeslayer: weird, your pastebin includes "-- found ortp, version 0.16.3" but then it says it's not found further down [13:34] Riddell: bug #614610 [13:34] Launchpad bug 614610 in konversation (Ubuntu) "Merge konversation 1.3.1-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/614610 [13:34] err [13:35] some kubuntu user should sponsor it (and not me) [13:36] I have a question, why is konversation still in main? we dont include it as default, do we? [13:36] (Im probably missing something obvious, but yeah) [13:37] Riddell: what do you suggest? upload as such to ppa and see what happens? :P [13:39] jussi: main is not what is in CD [13:39] main is what is supported by Canonical. [13:39] (thats the answer I got when I asked for something else) [13:44] jussi: it's on the dvd [13:44] shadeslayer: purge and reinstall anything linphone related? [13:46] * Trouble scrubs Riddell [13:51] Riddell: err.. its a clean cowbuilder [13:52] nothing apart from standard packages :( [13:53] let me try in a pbuilder [13:53] but first, drum roll needed please... [13:53] :D [13:54] * shadeslayer gets out his vuvuzvela [13:54] *vuvuzela [13:55] * ulysses takes his friend's drum [13:57] Riddell: ssup with the ruckus we are about to create? :P [13:58] ta da kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45 [13:58] http://kde.org/announcements/4.5/ [13:58] oic [13:58] http://dot.kde.org/2010/08/10/kde-releases-development-platform-applications-and-plasma-workspaces-450 [13:58] awesome :D [14:01] Riddell: apparently there are many people showing off ubuntu in malls and i dont know about it 0_o [14:02] now I have to translate the announcements [14:03] and the mall is like... 15 mins away :P [14:05] shadeslayer: go and show them Kubuntu! [14:06] i know! :P [14:06] ill keep track of this stuff from now on ... [14:07] Riddell: kdialog porting finished, now I just need to think about how to add kdm to the mix [14:08] lulz Waiting for Riddell to finish his ritual shower so we can release !KDE ☛ SC 4.5.0 !TMI ☛ [14:12] "The Linux Mint 9 KDE desktop contains the blue Isadora background, which helps differentiate from the blander looking Kubuntu that it is based on. " [14:12] I am not sure at contributor to which project I should be more insulted now [14:12] apachelogger: you just read my mind [14:12] imho we should provide a better wallpaper [14:13] or make kde ship a better one [14:14] people are not going to be happy with this http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQ5MA [14:14] what is wrong with the KDE wallpaper? [14:15] did you see what mint distributes? [14:15] apachelogger: its pretty bad imo [14:15] I could make a better one using a random gimp filter on some random 2 colored image [14:15] havent seen mint [14:16] apachelogger: http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/isadora/kde/isadora.png [14:16] well.... not that good too... id rather have blue curls as my default wallpaper [14:17] shadeslayer: like the Emotion wallpaper in KDE? [14:17] ulysses: thats my second choice :p [14:17] we actually had Emotion as default in 8.04 for a little bit [14:17] but people complained [14:19] ulysses: http://imgur.com/8iwif [14:19] i have both of them as my desktop wallpapers :P [14:20] :) [14:21] Riddell: err.. what changes did you make to get it to find ortp? [14:21] and which bzr revision ? [14:21] shadeslayer: nothing, I just installed libortp-dev locally [14:22] oh i see [14:23] rekonq crash #2 [14:23] apachelogger: down from 20 :P [14:24] 2 crashes in less than a day are 2 too many [14:31] hm [14:32] Riddell: kdm does not support defining Xorg config via argument :S [14:33] oh dear, I have 3 GiB of mail ^^ [14:46] seems ryan has moved to Kubuntu for his KDE reviews http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2010/08/hands-on-kde-45-launches-with-tiling-new-notifications.ars [14:48] <\sh> apachelogger: kdm 4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1 <- 4.5.0b? [14:48] ok gtg.. bye people [14:48] \sh: new tarball [14:49] <\sh> apachelogger: so it's the right version of kde sc 4.5.0 from kubuntu backports ppa [14:49] \sh: should be, Riddell knows more [14:49] apachelogger: do your rekonq crashes look like this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=245078 ? [14:49] KDE bug 245078 in general "rekonq crashes on several sites with javascript enabled" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] [14:49] \sh: yes [14:50] <\sh> Riddell: thx :) well done :) just installing [14:53] debfx: haven't looked at them yet [14:56] oha [14:56] bko just died [14:56] oh dear [14:57] debfx: no [14:57] if I had to guess I would say both were caused by flash [14:59] defenitely not in javascript though [15:00] * ScottK should have stayed up later last night and finished fixing kdegraphics while he had the chance. [15:08] ScottK: it's fixed n'est pas? [15:08] Riddell: It is. That's why I should have finished fixing it last night, so I'd have done it and not you. [15:18] brrrrr [15:18] bash is scary [15:18] Riddell: I'd really appreciate it if you would squeeze clamav and wesnoth backports (approved) for Karmic/Lucid onto your archive admin work list for today. [15:21] ScottK: numbers? [15:22] Bug #615411 for clamav [15:22] Launchpad bug 615411 in lucid-backports "Please backport clamav_0.96.1+dfsg-3ubuntu5 to Lucid, Karmic, Jaunty, Hardy, and Dapper" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615411 [15:22] Bug #600100 for wesnoth1.8 [15:22] Launchpad bug 600100 in lucid-backports "Please backport wesnoth-1.8 (1:1.8.3-1/universe)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/600100 [15:23] Riddell: ^^ [15:27] <\sh> hmmm...why does kmail still needing gpg-agent for signing? [15:29] why shouldn't it? === |dantti| is now known as dantti_note [15:31] <\sh> Riddell: because it's not started by default when kde session starts up [15:31] <\sh> eventually tweaking /etc/X11/Xsession.options [15:31] <\sh> but that would byte someone with GNOMEs seahorse afaik [15:32] this is why we need those kolabsys guys to actually turn up and check these things [15:34] \sh: To the extent it's a problem for Seahorse, it's a Seahorse bug. [15:38] <\sh> ScottK: yes...but somehow seahorse is started during gnome session start, and not via Xsession.{d,options}...only ssh agent is started during X11 session start...I wonder what would be a sane default for kde...starting gpg-agent during kde session startup or globally via Xsession.options [15:38] right then [15:38] rekonq also likes to lock up on me [15:38] \o/ [15:38] I am unable to work [15:40] \sh: gpg-agent isn't at all KDE specific. It would be odd for it to behave differently in KDE versus non-KDE sessions. [15:40] The fact that Gnome reinvented the wheel and doesn't use standard tools doesn't change that. [15:42]