[00:00] poyntz: what version of kde? [00:02] James147: 4.4.2 [00:03] poyntz: you might want to try upgrading to kde 4.4.5 (add the ppa: "ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa") [00:06] poyntz, if your upgrading via the ppa use the command (with out ' ) 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' [00:06] poyntz: it will save you some headace on package replacement [00:52] hello everybody, I have Kubuntu 10.4 64-bit and when I use adobe flash plugin 32-bit with the wrapper for firefox the webcam doesn't work [00:52] is there a way to fix it? I once had the native 64-bit plugin beta, but now I cannot find it anymore [00:57] so the question is: is there a way to fix the flash plugin 32-bit with the 64-bit wrapper so that the webcam will work? if not, where I can find the native 64-bit flash plugin, please? [01:03] joe___: just install "flashplugin-installer" it should get the right version [01:04] James147: I did it and if I go in firefox I can see that I have the npwrapper one.. problem is: webcam doesn't work and I don't know why [01:06] James147: I guessed that maybe it's because the webcam driver is 64-bit and the flash player is 32-bit, but it can be another problem, too [03:05] hello everyone [03:09] i am trying to update from 10.04 to 10.10 rc3, when i use the command "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" i get an error "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade: [03:10] E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks" [03:11] http://paste.ubuntu.com/475716/ [03:16] !maverick [03:16] Maverick Meerkat is the codename for Ubuntu 10.10, due October 2010 - Maverick is Not released and Not Stable, discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [03:21] Im having some problems with using hdmi out on my hp g60(Nvidia 8200M). The nvidia settings thing sees the tv that i have the hdmi cable plugged up to, it even knows the correct resolution. But the tv just says "no signal". The computer also acts like there is a second screen on it, if i move the mouse to the right (where the second screen would be) the mouse keeps going for a long distance like there actually is a screen there. [03:21] Anyone know how i can get this working? [03:31] well_laid_lawn: phoenix@matrix:~$ sudo do-release-upgrade -d -c [03:31] Checking for a new ubuntu release [03:31] New release 'maverick' available. [03:31] Run 'do-release-upgrade' to upgrade to it. [03:32] phoenix__: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [03:32] phoenix__: you need to /j #ubuntu+1 for that [03:33] ok [03:37] well_laid_lawn: no response there [03:38] phoenix__: it's quiet most everywhere now and sorry but I haven't tried 10.10 yet [03:38] maybe someone else has... [03:40] well_laid_lawn: ok. ca you tell me at what time more people are active in this channel. [03:40] phoenix__: +12hrs maybe [03:40] well_laid_lawn: in american time? [03:41] pho +12hrs hours anytime - here it is 1pm [03:41] phoenix__: +12hrs hours anytime - here it is 1pm [03:41] oops [03:42] well_laid_lawn: ok. thank you. [03:42] np :] === root is now known as Guest41268 [03:43] hi folks. I run kde3 with packages from launchpad, but since upgrading to lucid last week, I've not been able to fix kde-guidance-kde3. Any ideas? [03:55] Shdwdrgn: kde3 isnt supported here anymore... I am not sure where is the best place to get that support [03:56] hmm bummer [03:57] I can't figure out what the problem is... that package is listed as active and installed, but when I try to reinstall, I get the error "I wasn't able to locate file for the kde-guidance-kde3 package" [04:00] I can't get to my monitor&display settings (which I think is because of this package) and of course the only match google finds is from 2005 [04:01] try in konsole ls /var/cache/apt/archives | grep kde-guidance-kde3 [04:01] sounds like the package was removed [04:02] nothing returned [04:02] removed? I thought if it were removed, I wouldn't get a reply to 'aptitude show' ? [04:03] try an update - it isn't stored in /var/cache/apt/archives [04:04] I just did one before you posted that command [04:09] heh === aperson is now known as APERSON === entropy is now known as Resolance === patrick is now known as Guest34460 [06:26] hallo ich hab ein problem. Meine internetseiten bauen sich erst nach so 30sek-1min auf. Also es passiert erst garnichts und schwup dann sind sie ganz normal da. Ich dachte erst an DNS oder sowas aber hab net rausgefunden wo ich das einstellen kann . Ein anderer Browser zeigt die selben symtome [06:26] !de [06:26] In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis. [06:26] sorry [06:28] i have a problem.When i want to surf to a Internetside its first idle for 30sec-1min . I guess its a DNS problem but i cannot find out where i can configure the dns. another browser (opera) have the same problems. can anybody help me please ? [06:31] Hi, is it leagual if I copy my window's fonts in kubuntu's installation and use it? [06:31] hello all i have an intel graphics card 915 wanting to install mesa [06:31] I have leagal copy of windows [06:31] do i need to uninstall i other video driver [06:31] pushkaraj: i think so, yes [06:31] and then install mesa? [06:31] pushkaraj: You want a legal opinion? You need to ask a lawyer. [06:32] oh yeah, im not a lawyer ;-) [06:32] DarthFrog: hmm you are correct [06:32] there are *some* fonts microsoft allows to be freely redistributed i think [06:32] but i dont know which exactly. theyre the ones in msttcorefonts [06:33] there is a ttf-mscorefonts-installer package. [06:34] hey anyone know? [06:38] hey is there a kubuntu developer channel or is this the only one? [06:41] Optimus55: there is #kubuntu-devel as well [06:41] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat [06:48] wilbert: don't uninstall anything afaik [06:48] afaik? [06:49] afaik= As Far As I Know [06:49] ohhhhh [06:49] ok ok [06:49] :] [06:49] ok thank you [06:49] np :] === RaNdY is now known as darkchild === darkchild is now known as RaNdY [07:45] is there a lightweight image viewer, that starts instantly [07:45] hi, how to install flash in Kubuntu Lucid x64 ? [07:45] alket: just the normal way, install flashplugin-installer [07:46] jussi: but it will install the x32 one [07:46] phoenix__: what have you been using previously? [07:46] gwenview [07:46] alket: the 64 bit flash has been discontinued for now by adobe... [07:47] jussi: gwenview takes 3 sec to load [07:47] phoenix__: tried display? [07:48] its in imagemagick iirc [07:48] jussi: display? [07:49] jussi: is that a gtk one? [07:49] Im not sure, but its _really_ fast to start. [07:50] phoenix__: its a cli tool though, but it does start a graphical type interface. [07:51] where is synpatic in kubuntu ? [07:51] or Ubuntu Software Center ? [07:51] jussi: any other qt based [07:51] alket: the software installer program on kubuntu is called KPackageKit [07:54] phoenix__: what exactly are you trying to acheive? [07:55] jussi: speed.but i dont like gtk [07:55] phoenix__: is it just image previewing quickly? or more ? [07:55] ie. dolphin has good image preivews built in.. [07:55] jussi: just image viewing [07:58] there's xzgv which is light [08:00] hello well_laid_lawn [08:00] hi [08:01] well_laid_lawn: i am reading about xzgv [08:02] I am 3 years user of Ubuntu and I have to admit that Kubuntu is much much more powerfull and easy to use except for KPackageKit it could be replaced with synpatic and Ubuntu Software Center [08:02] phoenix__: from a terminal I use xzgv -v /path [08:02] alket: except those arent Qt/KDE apps ;-) [08:02] alket: but yes, KPK is well-known as needing some love [08:02] well_laid_lawn: is that a terminal based one [08:03] phoenix__: no - it is just how I start it to get the zoom (-z) option [08:03] well_laid_lawn: ok [08:05] I dual boot with Ubuntu and Kubuntu why Kubuntu is listed with name Ubuntu in grub ? [08:06] well_laid_lawn: is very fast [08:07] phoenix__: I like it :] [08:07] well_laid_lawn: nice app [08:07] well_laid_lawn: i downloaded and tried kubuntu 10.10 [08:08] Oh hai there! [08:08] phoenix__: looks good? [08:08] I got a problem [08:09] well_laid_lawn: i am already using kde 4.5 rc2, i dont see any difference. there is a bug in kopete. [08:09] I installed kde 4.4.80 from kde experimental repo [08:09] phoenix__: well done to only have one bug :] [08:09] well_laid_lawn: or may be a bug in notification area [08:09] And now I can't see screen [08:10] I mean, when I login, screen is black [08:10] No plasma desktop [08:10] well_laid_lawn: 10.10 rc3 is only of bugfixes [08:10] And no kicker [08:10] k [08:10] LonghornGT_: are you using ati cards [08:10] No, nvidia [08:11] I can see cursor, I can move it [08:11] But no desktop [08:11] can you start the task manager [08:11] Nope [08:11] Who's kde maintainer in kubuntu? [08:11] I think you have to rename .kde [08:11] I want to kontact him [08:11] *contact [08:12] ha ha ha [08:12] there's #kubuntu-devel [08:12] OK [08:13] LonghornGT_: ubuntu does team maintainership. its not individuals... each time there's a release, about 10 people hurry and try to package it all up [08:13] but nobody's in charge of a single specific package that nobody else touches [08:13] kde use sys resource too much... Is that true? [08:13] I mean, kubuntu kde is so... unstable [08:14] I want that KDE was as good as in Arch [08:14] Or mandriva [08:15] some say gnome is much much far better than kde.... [08:15] But I like KDE [08:15] Gnome is boring [08:15] KDE is not [08:16] but if you are an admin... this will be an issue.... [08:16] lol, i'm not admin [08:17] I'm gamer and designer [08:17] than better stick with kde than.... [08:18] i like kde too actually.... [08:32] is there a parental control soft for kubuntu [08:34] hi all [08:35] hi [08:36] i got a problem with kde: since last week the system sensors for cpu and network are missing, so none of my monitors shows any graph about my cpu performance..... [08:36] Anybody heard of this or a similar problem? [08:36] Is this due to a kde update? [08:36] any hint would be appreciated ;-) [08:38] phi__: what is your kubuntu version === gary_ is now known as Guest8757 [08:38] im always updating to the official version - 10.04 with last patches [08:39] phi__: you mean you are missing the cpu and network widgets? [08:39] can someone tell me how to make shortcut for konsole or chrome [08:40] menu editor didn't work [08:40] phoenix__: no there seems to something wrong with the underlying sensors, since none of the monitors shows any graph... i tried ksysguard and some widgets [08:41] phoenix__: you are after web filtering? [08:41] !info dansguardian | phoenix__ [08:41] phoenix__: dansguardian (source: dansguardian): Web content filtering. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.10.1.1-1 (lucid), package size 472 kB, installed size 2356 kB [08:41] jussi: ya, thats it [08:41] jussi: i will try that now [08:41] :) [08:42] phoenix__: the other option is to use opendns to fileter stuff [08:43] Guest8757: where do you want the shortcut? [08:43] jussi: i tried opendns it slows up browsing [08:43] chrome desktop icon [08:43] What's the codename of KDE SC 4.5? [08:44] Guest8757: you hae it in your menu, right? [08:44] ya [08:44] Guest8757: drag and drop should work... [08:44] LonghornGT_: no idea, try asking in #kde [08:44] I asked [08:44] No answer yet [08:45] i kown in that way,I wanna make shortcut for chrome ,just like ctrl+shift+A to launch chrome [08:45] right, Im off, see you all. [08:46] in kubuntu 9.04 ,in menu editor can set application's shortcut ,but in 10.04 it doesn't work [08:47] jussi: bye [08:48] LonghornGT_: 4.5 rc3 ->candy [08:48] And 4.5 RTM? [09:05] hi, when I copy files to ntfs partition the "mount.ntfs-3g" command, use 100% cpu. it's a normal thing? [09:07] snikker: here ntfs-3g uses a lot of resources too [09:09] bug 12309 [09:09] well_laid_lawn: ok, so it's not only on my system... [09:10] snikker: if it wasn't going at 100% then it would be going slower [09:11] an obvious statement but... [09:16] well_laid_lawn: i hope they this problem can be solved in the next release [09:17] *that [09:17] snikker: it's been this way for a while - ntfs is not open source [09:19] well_laid_lawn: :( [09:20] I need to get libmpfr.so.4 on my 10.04 system. Any ideas how I can get that? === petr_ is now known as test999 [09:23] /msg NickServ identify pass [09:23] /msg NickServ identify pass [09:24] it's not in a lucid package tasslehoff [09:24] !find libmpfr.so [09:24] File libmpfr.so found in libmpfr-dev, libmpfr1ldbl [09:24] /msg NickServ identify [09:24] !find libmpfr.so.4 [09:24] Package/file libmpfr.so.4 does not exist in lucid [09:24] well_laid_lawn: that's my conclusion so far as well. [09:26] tasslehoff: seems it is a 64bit app and there is only an rpm fot it atm [09:26] for it even [09:27] well_laid_lawn: ack [09:27] http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&q=%22libmpfr.so.4%22+lucid&btnG=Search [09:28] how to login IN IRC? [09:29] !alien [09:29] RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous and unsupported) [09:29] I registreg in channel... how to login? [09:32] HAY QQQQQQQQQQQQ [09:32] how????? [09:32] hay!! [09:33] how to login in IRC?????????????????? [09:34] ssssssssssss [09:34] ssssssssssss [09:34] sssssssssssss [09:34] test999: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [09:34] skezxhqktaca [09:34] skezxhqktaca [09:34] how to login in IRC?????????????????? [09:35] how to login in IRC?????????????????? [09:35] ANYBODY IS NO DEAD????????? [09:35] !find libgmp.so [09:35] File libgmp.so found in ia32-libs, lib32gmp3, lib32gmp3-dev, libgmp3-dev, libgmp3c2 (and 2 others) [09:35] !find libgmp.so.10 [09:35] Package/file libgmp.so.10 does not exist in lucid [09:36] how to login in IRC?????????????????? [09:37] test999: you're logged in [09:38] test999: stop spamming/asking [09:38] is it possible to have onboard video + seperate video card used at the same time? [09:38] xampart: that will depend on your bios and video cards [09:38] xampart: if you bios allows onboard to function at the same time [09:38] ikonia: i enabled the onboard already from bios [09:38] xampart: and if the video cards will be compatible together using techniques such as xinerama or twinview [09:38] xampart: that doesn't mean the board supports both enabled [09:39] ikonia: that's why i'm here [09:39] xampart: and that's why I'm explaining it to you [09:41] this is my lspci http://pastebin.com/MrUvTXxT [09:41] that just shows devices in the board [09:42] xampart: from that I can see you won't be able to use twin view [09:42] why is that [09:42] xampart: so your only option would be xinerama, which won't allow 3d alleceration on the two cards due to the closed source drivers not supporting it [09:42] xampart: twinview only allows 1 nvidia card with 2 ports, not 2 cards === gary_ is now known as Guest37261 [09:43] how to disable printer applet ? [09:44] two cards? i have only one nvs290 + the onboard [09:44] xampart: that's two cards, the onboard is a card [09:46] ikonia: i use this machine only to browse, so would the "no 3d acceleration" be a problem in that case [09:46] xampart: things like compiz, the cube, things like that reawlly [09:46] rally [09:46] really === test999 is now known as test888 === petr_ is now known as test999 [09:59] how to recower password? [09:59] "/msg NickServ identify pass" [10:00] ???? [10:00] I do not remember password [10:00] I can say my email and login [10:01] ALLLO [10:09] test999: join #freenode [10:09] jussi yes I have joined [10:10] test999: ask there, they can help you [10:10] jussi yes I am helped === ubuntu_ is now known as mychmg [10:11] n [10:12] "/msg NickServ identify pass" FREENODE sent ME on email following message "/msg NickServ SETPASS test999 passoldddd passwordnew" and I recower it [11:11] hi, I know i'm in the wrong place but perhaps someone might have the answer: Is RAM backwards compatible as long as they fit in the same slot? I have an old machine with DDR PC3200 (166Mhz - 200Mhz) ram that is suffering instability and I'm thinking it is the RAM. However, local stores only have DDR 400Mhz and higher available. will this work? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:32] what is debin junior config === manic is now known as Guest4940 === mohammed is now known as Guest48287 [11:36] Hi room === jtheuer_ is now known as jtheuer [11:58] ** testers needed for 4.5.0 in lucid [11:59] _o/ count me in [12:05] Hi! I'm trying to upgrade 10.04 LTS to KDE SC 4.5 via kubuntu-backports-ppa. but there are a lot of conflicts. [12:05] Is it completely uploaded yet? [12:05] Saw the announcement on kubuntu.org and wanted to upgrade then. [12:06] SteBo: how are you upgrading? [12:06] I tried both KPackeKit and aptitude dist-upgrade [12:07] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu lucid main is in the sources.list.d [12:08] for package libkdecore5 I only see version 4:4.4.92a-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 in the repository [12:09] when I do apt-cache show libkdecore5 [12:10] What's the right way to see if a particular package is installed? [12:11] dcorbin_work: apt-cache policy [12:11] SteBo: I suppose you ran "apt-get update" [12:12] jussi: sure [12:13] Riddell: any ideas? [12:17] SteBo: can you pastebin the output of sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ? [12:17] Riddell: ok, one moment [12:20] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/tiJyhLMF [12:22] Just upgraded and I now not in the "sudoers" file! [12:23] any easy fix besides rebooting with an install disk and writing it by hand? [12:25] SteBo: please wait two minutes [12:26] Riddell: ok [12:37] having some dependancy trouble trying to upgrade to kde 4.5; synaptic wants to remove half my kde install. has 4.5 hit the ppa fully? [12:39] nerdy_kid: I have a similar problem. Riddell wanted to get back to me here in the channel in a few minutes. [12:39] SteBo ah ok. ill stick around too then :) [12:39] nerdy_kid: not yet, please stand by [12:44] Riddell, nerdy_kid: looks good here now :) [12:44] just did another apt-get update and everything looks fine. === jtheuer is now known as jt|away [12:47] SteBo: great, let me know how it goes after the install [12:48] Riddell you guys rock :D [12:48] nerdy_kid: let me know how it goes [12:49] Riddell: all packages upgraded fine. I will logout and login again now. [12:54] Riddell: everything's fine. I'm now using KDE SC 4.5 final :) Anything more I could test for you? [12:56] SteBo: great [12:56] SteBo: just try out some applications and plasma widgets [12:58] going to reboot as well, fingers crossed [13:02] Riddel: fish and smb-kio-slaves, kate, dolphin, konsole, kontact (korganizer, kmail, akregator), kopete, konqueror, kile, amarok and all my plasma applets work fine. I used KDE 4,5 RC2 before and the desktop works as before. === jt|away is now known as jtheuer [13:03] SteBo: wrong, it works much smoother ;) [13:04] jlaamanen: yes, this one Dolphin-hang-bug seems to be gone now :) [13:04] memory consumption is definitely smaller [13:05] 290 MB [13:05] jlaamanen: How do you measure this? [13:05] free -m [13:05] total used free shared buffers cached [13:05] Mem: 1968 826 1142 0 55 498 [13:05] -/+ buffers/cache: 272 1695 [13:05] Swap: 1929 0 1929 [13:05] jlaamanen: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [13:06] used 826? not 290..? [13:07] ah, it's 290 less than before right after login for you, right? [13:07] i'm alwasy looking the used amount on the second row, second column [13:08] which is consumption without buffers and cache [13:08] desktop feels a lot more responsive than with RC2 [13:10] jlaamanen: I think you misinterpret the values reported by the free command. see man free. the second row is a subset of the used memory IMHO. [13:15] SteBo: yeah, it doesn't memory used for cache+buffers, but afaik cache can be considered as unused memory [13:16] s/doesn't/isn't/ [13:17] jlaamanen: yes, cache will be freed as soon as programs need the memory to run. [13:18] nevertheless, it's less than with RC2 [13:20] cu, thank you for your held! [13:20] help [13:21] Riddell everys good here, amarok gave me a seg fault the first time i tried starting but besides that everything seems to be going fine. [13:24] Hello, the new version of KDE, will it come to the package managers today? [13:27] hello everyone [13:28] i am having problem with nvidia drivers. i just now upgraded to 10.10 rc3 [13:29] phoenix__: 10.10 help in #ubuntu+1 [13:30] hi, a kubuntu developer here having time for looking at one sponsor request? [13:30] hello jussi, i am in failsafe mode. is there a way to increse the display resolution [13:31] phoenix__: 10.10 help in #ubuntu+1 please ;) [13:31] jussi: ok [13:31] bdrung: #kubuntu-devel is likely what you are after. [13:32] jussi: ups. you are right. i joint the wrong channel. [13:32] phoenix__: also, 10.10 is NOT RC3, its alpha 3 [13:35] svt__: Sveriges television? [13:38] Hiyas all [13:39] Hiyas you === root is now known as Guest77930 [13:48] i cant get speech-dispatcher to work, all the logs are empty :( any ideas? [13:49] (it is actually running, it just does absolutly nothing) [13:51] 4.5.0 can't install network-manager-kde [13:52] where is 4.5.0 released? === jtheuer is now known as jt|away [13:52] http://paste.ubuntu.com/475912/ [13:52] enderw99: it's in backports ppa [13:57] jlaamanen: I'll fix that [14:00] Riddell, I lost kubuntu-workspace and several other key kde's including ketwork manager as well , I had to rescue my install in gnome, [14:02] * BluesKaj keeps gnome as a backup desktop in case I get brave or foolish with experimental stuff [14:08] hi all, are you guys having problem on updating Kubuntu today? === ChanServ changed the topic of #kubuntu to: Official Kubuntu support | Kubuntu 10.04 LTS: http://kubuntu.org/news/10.04-lts-release | KDE SC 4.4: http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4.3 | FAQ: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ | Pastes: http://paste.ubuntu.com | Chat in #kubuntu-offtopic | Guidelines: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IRC/Guideines | Maverick/10.10 support in #ubuntu+1 [14:11] okapi14 yeah riddell has been working on it [14:18] jlaamanen: try an update then installing etwork-manager-kde [14:19] Riddell: sure [14:19] okapi14: what problems are you having? [14:20] Riddell: works now [14:20] jlaamanen: yay, let me know if you have any other issues [14:21] BluesKaj: are you able to reinstall kubuntu-desktop now ? === jt|away is now known as jtheuer [14:23] Riddell, yes I deleted the kde 4.5 deb from the sources.list and updated and installed kubuntu-desktop [14:23] hi, I'm trying to upgrade to KDE 4.5, but it keeps complaining about some errors, seemingly due to the names: kdebase-workspace-dbg_4%3a4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_i386.deb [14:24] could it be the colon rendered here with 4%3a? [14:24] lelamal: please pastebin your upgrade command and output [14:24] hi all, anyone know when/if KDE 4.5 is in PPA for Kubuntu 10.4 ? [14:25] blip-: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45 [14:25] Riddell: ok, I've never done that, where should I paste it? I remember there's a webpage... [14:25] lelamal: pastebin.com [14:26] ok [14:28] Riddell: ok, here it is: http://pastebin.com/eaUQcAyb [14:29] am I correct in thinking it's because of it that most packages are held back? [14:29] l hmm, fooey [14:30] lelamal: please try this and pastebin the output [14:30] sudo dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_all.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-dbg_4%3a4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_i386.deb [14:30] how to know the version of installed KDE? [14:31] kde4-config -v [14:31] I installed mplayerthumbs and can't get previews to work. I went to preferences, and enabled mplayerthumbs but I don't see previews, any ideas? [14:31] okapi14: Help -> About KDE in any app [14:32] Riddell, thanks. Mine seems to be finally installed... [14:33] okapi14: 4.5 ? [14:33] Riddell: ok, here it is: http://pastebin.com/6sAuNJEZ [14:33] there is still the "lost and found" section to systemsettings; i thought that was going to be fixed? [14:34] Riddell, yep this is what I have "Platform version 4.5.00 (KDE 4.5.0)" [14:34] lelamal: ok now finish it off with sudo apt-get -f install [14:37] Riddell: ok, I did that, and thanks, no more errors when I try to upgrade. But those 171 packages are still held back. I hoped that would unblock them... [14:38] lelamal: which packages? [14:39] Riddell: those at the bottom: http://pastebin.com/Kz609x8e [14:39] I'm kinda stuck [14:40] lelamal: what happens if you apt-get install dolphin [14:42]