[00:00] <James147> poyntz: what version of kde?
[00:02] <poyntz> James147: 4.4.2
[00:03] <James147> poyntz: you might want to try upgrading to kde 4.4.5 (add the ppa: "ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa")
[00:06] <sithlord48> poyntz, if your upgrading via the ppa use the command (with out ' ) 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[00:06] <sithlord48> poyntz: it will save you some headace on package replacement
[00:52] <joe___> hello everybody, I have Kubuntu 10.4 64-bit and when I use adobe flash plugin 32-bit with the wrapper for firefox the webcam doesn't work
[00:52] <joe___> is there a way to fix it? I once had the native 64-bit plugin beta, but now I cannot find it anymore
[00:57] <joe___> so the question is: is there a way to fix the flash plugin 32-bit with the 64-bit wrapper so that the webcam will work? if not, where I can find the native 64-bit flash plugin, please?
[01:03] <James147> joe___: just install "flashplugin-installer" it should get the right version
[01:04] <joe___> James147: I did it and if I go in firefox I can see that I have the npwrapper one.. problem is: webcam doesn't work and I don't know why
[01:06] <joe___> James147: I guessed that maybe it's because the webcam driver is 64-bit and the flash player is 32-bit, but it can be another problem, too
[03:05] <phoenix__> hello everyone
[03:09] <phoenix__> i am trying to update from 10.04 to 10.10 rc3, when i use the command "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" i get an error "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[03:10] <phoenix__> E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks"
[03:11] <phoenix__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/475716/
[03:16] <well_laid_lawn> !maverick
[03:21] <Makuseru> Im having some problems with using hdmi out on my hp g60(Nvidia 8200M). The nvidia settings thing sees the tv that i have the hdmi cable plugged up to, it even knows the correct resolution. But the tv just says "no signal". The computer also acts like there is a second screen on it, if i move the mouse to the right (where the second screen would be) the mouse keeps going for a long distance like there actually is a screen there.
[03:21] <Makuseru> Anyone know how i can get this working?
[03:31] <phoenix__> well_laid_lawn: phoenix@matrix:~$ sudo do-release-upgrade -d -c
[03:31] <phoenix__> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[03:31] <phoenix__> New release 'maverick' available.
[03:31] <phoenix__> Run 'do-release-upgrade' to upgrade to it.
[03:32] <FloodBotK1> phoenix__: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:32] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix__: you need to   /j #ubuntu+1   for that
[03:33] <phoenix__> ok
[03:37] <phoenix__> well_laid_lawn: no response there
[03:38] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix__: it's quiet most everywhere now and sorry but I haven't tried 10.10 yet
[03:38] <well_laid_lawn> maybe someone else has...
[03:40] <phoenix__> well_laid_lawn: ok. ca you tell me at what time more people are active in this channel.
[03:40] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix__: +12hrs maybe
[03:40] <phoenix__> well_laid_lawn: in american time?
[03:41] <well_laid_lawn> pho +12hrs hours anytime - here it is 1pm
[03:41] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix__:  +12hrs hours anytime - here it is 1pm
[03:41] <well_laid_lawn> oops
[03:42] <phoenix__> well_laid_lawn: ok. thank you.
[03:42] <well_laid_lawn> np :]
[03:43] <Shdwdrgn> hi folks.  I run kde3 with packages from launchpad, but since upgrading to lucid last week, I've not been able to fix kde-guidance-kde3.  Any ideas?
[03:55] <James147> Shdwdrgn: kde3 isnt supported here anymore... I am not sure where is the best place to get that support
[03:56] <Shdwdrgn> hmm bummer
[03:57] <Shdwdrgn> I can't figure out what the problem is... that package is listed as active and installed, but when I try to reinstall, I get the error "I wasn't able to locate file for the kde-guidance-kde3 package"
[04:00] <Shdwdrgn> I can't get to my monitor&display settings (which I think is because of this package) and of course the only match google finds is from 2005
[04:01] <well_laid_lawn> try in konsole   ls /var/cache/apt/archives | grep kde-guidance-kde3
[04:01] <well_laid_lawn> sounds like the package was removed
[04:02] <Shdwdrgn> nothing returned
[04:02] <Shdwdrgn> removed?  I thought if it were removed, I wouldn't get a reply to 'aptitude show' ?
[04:03] <well_laid_lawn> try an update - it isn't stored in /var/cache/apt/archives
[04:04] <Shdwdrgn> I just did one before you posted that command
[04:09] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[06:26] <scarecraft> hallo ich hab ein problem. Meine internetseiten bauen sich erst nach so 30sek-1min auf. Also es passiert erst garnichts und schwup dann sind sie ganz normal da. Ich dachte erst an DNS oder sowas aber hab net rausgefunden wo ich das einstellen kann . Ein anderer Browser zeigt die selben symtome
[06:26] <bazhang> !de
[06:26] <scarecraft> sorry
[06:28] <scarecraft> i have a problem.When i want to surf to a Internetside its first idle for 30sec-1min . I guess its a DNS problem but i cannot find out where i can configure the dns. another browser (opera) have the same problems. can anybody help me please ?
 Hi, is it leagual if I copy my window's fonts in kubuntu's installation and use it?
[06:31] <wilbert> hello all i have an intel graphics card 915 wanting to install mesa
[06:31] <pushkaraj> I have leagal copy of windows
[06:31] <wilbert> do i need to uninstall i other video driver
[06:31] <maco> pushkaraj: i think so, yes
[06:31] <wilbert> and then install mesa?
[06:31] <DarthFrog> pushkaraj: You want a legal opinion?  You need to ask a lawyer.
[06:32] <maco> oh yeah, im not a lawyer ;-)
[06:32] <pushkaraj> DarthFrog: hmm you are correct
[06:32] <maco> there are *some* fonts microsoft allows to be freely redistributed i think
[06:32] <maco> but i dont know which exactly. theyre the ones in msttcorefonts
[06:33] <DarthFrog> there is a ttf-mscorefonts-installer package.
[06:34] <wilbert> hey anyone know?
[06:38] <Optimus55> hey is there a kubuntu developer channel or is this the only one?
[06:41] <well_laid_lawn> Optimus55: there is #kubuntu-devel as well
[06:41] <well_laid_lawn>  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[06:48] <well_laid_lawn> wilbert: don't uninstall anything afaik
[06:48] <wilbert> afaik?
[06:49] <well_laid_lawn> afaik= As Far As I Know
[06:49] <wilbert> ohhhhh
[06:49] <wilbert> ok ok
[06:49] <well_laid_lawn> :]
[06:49] <wilbert> ok thank you
[06:49] <well_laid_lawn> np :]
[07:45] <phoenix__> is there a lightweight image viewer, that starts instantly
[07:45] <alket> hi, how to install flash in Kubuntu Lucid x64 ?
[07:45] <jussi> alket: just the normal way, install flashplugin-installer
[07:46] <alket> jussi: but it will install the x32 one
[07:46] <jussi> phoenix__: what have you been using previously?
[07:46] <phoenix__> gwenview
[07:46] <jussi> alket: the 64 bit flash has been discontinued for now by adobe...
[07:47] <phoenix__> jussi: gwenview takes 3 sec to load
[07:47] <jussi> phoenix__: tried display?
[07:48] <jussi> its in imagemagick iirc
[07:48] <phoenix__> jussi: display?
[07:49] <phoenix__> jussi: is that a gtk one?
[07:49] <jussi> Im not sure, but its _really_ fast to start.
[07:50] <jussi> phoenix__: its a cli tool though, but it does start a graphical type interface.
[07:51] <alket> where is synpatic in kubuntu ?
[07:51] <alket> or Ubuntu Software Center ?
[07:51] <phoenix__> jussi: any other qt based
[07:51] <maco> alket: the software installer program on kubuntu is called KPackageKit
[07:54] <jussi> phoenix__: what exactly are you trying to acheive?
[07:55] <phoenix__> jussi: speed.but i dont like gtk
[07:55] <jussi> phoenix__: is it just image previewing quickly? or more ?
[07:55] <jussi> ie. dolphin has good image preivews built in..
[07:55] <phoenix__> jussi: just image viewing
[07:58] <well_laid_lawn> there's xzgv which is light
[08:00] <phoenix__> hello well_laid_lawn
[08:00] <well_laid_lawn> hi
[08:01] <phoenix__> well_laid_lawn: i am reading about xzgv
[08:02] <alket> I am 3 years user of Ubuntu and I have to admit that Kubuntu is much much more powerfull and easy to use except for KPackageKit it could be replaced with synpatic and Ubuntu Software Center
[08:02] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix__: from a terminal I use xzgv -v /path
[08:02] <maco> alket: except those arent Qt/KDE apps ;-)
[08:02] <maco> alket: but yes, KPK is well-known as needing some love
[08:02] <phoenix__> well_laid_lawn: is that a terminal based one
[08:03] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix__: no - it is just how I start it to get the zoom (-z) option
[08:03] <phoenix__> well_laid_lawn: ok
[08:05] <alket> I dual boot with Ubuntu and Kubuntu why Kubuntu is listed with name Ubuntu in grub ?
[08:06] <phoenix__> well_laid_lawn: is very fast
[08:07] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix__: I like it :]
[08:07] <phoenix__> well_laid_lawn: nice app
[08:07] <phoenix__> well_laid_lawn: i downloaded and tried kubuntu 10.10
[08:08] <LonghornGT_> Oh hai there!
[08:08] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix__: looks good?
[08:08] <LonghornGT_> I got a problem
[08:09] <phoenix__> well_laid_lawn: i am already using kde 4.5 rc2, i dont see any difference. there is a bug in kopete.
[08:09] <LonghornGT_> I installed kde 4.4.80 from kde experimental repo
[08:09] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix__: well done to only have one bug :]
[08:09] <phoenix__> well_laid_lawn: or may be a bug in notification area
[08:09] <LonghornGT_> And now I can't see screen
[08:10] <LonghornGT_> I mean, when I login, screen is black
[08:10] <LonghornGT_> No plasma desktop
[08:10] <phoenix__> well_laid_lawn: 10.10 rc3 is only of bugfixes
[08:10] <LonghornGT_> And no kicker
[08:10] <well_laid_lawn> k
[08:10] <phoenix__> LonghornGT_: are you using ati cards
[08:10] <LonghornGT_> No, nvidia
[08:11] <LonghornGT_> I can see cursor, I can move it
[08:11] <LonghornGT_> But no desktop
[08:11] <phoenix__> can you start the task manager
[08:11] <LonghornGT_> Nope
[08:11] <LonghornGT_> Who's kde maintainer in kubuntu?
[08:11] <well_laid_lawn> I think you have to rename .kde
[08:11] <LonghornGT_> I want to kontact him
[08:11] <LonghornGT_> *contact
[08:12] <phoenix__> ha ha ha
[08:12] <well_laid_lawn> there's #kubuntu-devel
[08:12] <LonghornGT_> OK
[08:13] <maco> LonghornGT_: ubuntu does team maintainership. its not individuals... each time there's a release, about 10 people hurry and try to package it all up
[08:13] <maco> but nobody's in charge of a single specific package that nobody else touches
[08:13] <filbert_> kde use sys resource too much... Is that true?
[08:13] <LonghornGT_> I mean, kubuntu kde is so... unstable
[08:14] <LonghornGT_> I want that KDE was as good as in Arch
[08:14] <LonghornGT_> Or mandriva
[08:15] <filbert_> some say gnome is much much far better than kde....
[08:15] <LonghornGT_> But I like KDE
[08:15] <LonghornGT_> Gnome is boring
[08:15] <LonghornGT_> KDE is not
[08:16] <filbert_> but if you are an admin... this will be an issue....
[08:16] <LonghornGT_> lol, i'm not admin
[08:17] <LonghornGT_> I'm gamer and designer
[08:17] <filbert_> than better stick with kde than....
[08:18] <filbert_> i like kde too actually....
[08:32] <phoenix__> is there a parental control soft for kubuntu
[08:34] <phi__> hi all
[08:35] <phoenix__> hi
[08:36] <phi__> i got a problem with kde: since last week the system sensors for cpu and network are missing, so none of my monitors shows any graph about my cpu performance.....
[08:36] <phi__> Anybody heard of this or a similar problem?
[08:36] <phi__> Is this due to a kde update?
[08:36] <phi__> any hint would be appreciated ;-)
[08:38] <phoenix__> phi__: what is your kubuntu version
[08:38] <phi__> im always updating to the official version - 10.04 with last patches
[08:39] <phoenix__> phi__: you mean you are missing the cpu and network widgets?
[08:39] <Guest8757> can someone tell me how to make shortcut for konsole or chrome
[08:40] <Guest8757> menu editor didn't work
[08:40] <phi__> phoenix__: no there seems to something wrong with the underlying sensors, since none of the monitors shows any graph... i tried ksysguard and some widgets
[08:41] <jussi> phoenix__: you are after web filtering?
[08:41] <jussi> !info dansguardian | phoenix__
[08:41] <phoenix__> jussi: ya, thats it
[08:41] <phoenix__> jussi: i will try that now
[08:41] <jussi> :)
[08:42] <jussi> phoenix__: the other option is to use opendns to fileter stuff
[08:43] <jussi> Guest8757: where do you want the shortcut?
[08:43] <phoenix__> jussi: i tried opendns it slows up browsing
[08:43] <Guest8757> chrome desktop icon
[08:43] <LonghornGT_> What's the codename of KDE SC 4.5?
[08:44] <jussi> Guest8757: you hae it in your menu, right?
[08:44] <Guest8757> ya
[08:44] <jussi> Guest8757: drag and drop should work...
[08:44] <jussi> LonghornGT_: no idea, try asking in #kde
[08:44] <LonghornGT_> I asked
[08:44] <LonghornGT_> No answer yet
[08:45] <Guest8757> i kown in that way,I wanna make shortcut for chrome ,just like ctrl+shift+A to launch chrome
[08:45] <jussi> right, Im off, see you all.
[08:46] <Guest8757> in kubuntu 9.04 ,in menu editor can set application's shortcut ,but in 10.04 it doesn't work
[08:47] <phoenix__> jussi: bye
[08:48] <phoenix__> LonghornGT_: 4.5 rc3 ->candy
[08:48] <LonghornGT_> And 4.5 RTM?
[09:05] <snikker> hi, when I copy files to ntfs partition the "mount.ntfs-3g" command, use 100% cpu. it's a normal thing?
[09:07] <well_laid_lawn> snikker: here ntfs-3g uses a lot of resources too
[09:09] <LonghornGT_> bug 12309
[09:09] <snikker> well_laid_lawn: ok, so it's not only on my system...
[09:10] <well_laid_lawn> snikker: if it wasn't going at 100% then it would be going slower
[09:11] <well_laid_lawn> an obvious statement but...
[09:16] <snikker> well_laid_lawn: i hope they this problem can be solved in the next release
[09:17] <snikker> *that
[09:17] <well_laid_lawn> snikker: it's been this way for a while - ntfs is not open source
[09:19] <snikker> well_laid_lawn: :(
[09:20] <tasslehoff> I need to get libmpfr.so.4 on my 10.04 system. Any ideas how I can get that?
[09:23] <test999>  /msg NickServ identify pass
[09:23] <test999>  /msg NickServ identify pass
[09:24] <well_laid_lawn> it's not in a lucid package tasslehoff
[09:24] <well_laid_lawn> !find libmpfr.so
[09:24] <test999>  /msg NickServ identify
[09:24] <well_laid_lawn> !find libmpfr.so.4
[09:24] <tasslehoff> well_laid_lawn: that's my conclusion so far as well.
[09:26] <well_laid_lawn> tasslehoff: seems it is a 64bit app and there is only an rpm fot it atm
[09:26] <well_laid_lawn> for it even
[09:27] <tasslehoff> well_laid_lawn: ack
[09:27] <well_laid_lawn> http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&q=%22libmpfr.so.4%22+lucid&btnG=Search
[09:28] <test999> how to login IN IRC?
[09:29] <well_laid_lawn> !alien
[09:29] <test999> I registreg in channel...  how to login?
[09:32] <test999> HAY QQQQQQQQQQQQ
[09:32] <test999> how?????
[09:32] <test999> hay!!
[09:33] <test999> how to login in IRC??????????????????
[09:34] <test999> ssssssssssss
[09:34] <test999> ssssssssssss
[09:34] <test999> sssssssssssss
[09:34] <FloodBotK1> test999: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:34] <test999> skezxhqktaca
[09:34] <test999> skezxhqktaca
[09:34] <test999> how to login in IRC??????????????????
[09:35] <test999> how to login in IRC??????????????????
[09:35] <test999> ANYBODY IS NO DEAD?????????
[09:35] <tasslehoff> !find libgmp.so
[09:35] <tasslehoff> !find libgmp.so.10
[09:36] <test999> how to login in IRC??????????????????
[09:37] <ikonia> test999: you're logged in
[09:38] <ikonia> test999: stop spamming/asking
[09:38] <xampart> is it possible to have onboard video + seperate video card used at the same time?
[09:38] <ikonia> xampart: that will depend on your bios and video cards
[09:38] <ikonia> xampart: if you bios allows onboard to function at the same time
[09:38] <xampart> ikonia: i enabled the onboard already from bios
[09:38] <ikonia> xampart: and if the video cards will be compatible together using techniques such as xinerama or twinview
[09:38] <ikonia> xampart: that doesn't mean the board supports both enabled
[09:39] <xampart> ikonia: that's why i'm here
[09:39] <ikonia> xampart: and that's why I'm explaining it to you
[09:41] <xampart> this is my lspci http://pastebin.com/MrUvTXxT
[09:41] <ikonia> that just shows devices in the board
[09:42] <ikonia> xampart: from that I can see you won't be able to use twin view
[09:42] <xampart> why is that
[09:42] <ikonia> xampart: so your only option would be xinerama, which won't allow 3d alleceration on the two cards due to the closed source drivers not supporting it
[09:42] <ikonia> xampart: twinview only allows 1 nvidia card with 2 ports, not 2 cards
[09:43] <Guest37261> how to disable printer applet ?
[09:44] <xampart> two cards? i have only one nvs290 + the onboard
[09:44] <ikonia> xampart: that's two cards, the onboard is a card
[09:46] <xampart> ikonia: i use this machine only to browse, so would the "no 3d acceleration" be a problem in that case
[09:46] <ikonia> xampart: things like compiz, the cube, things like that reawlly
[09:46] <ikonia> rally
[09:46] <ikonia> really
[09:59] <test999> how to recower password?
[09:59] <test999> "/msg NickServ identify pass"
[10:00] <test999> ????
[10:00] <test999> I do not remember password
[10:00] <test999> I can say my email and login
[10:01] <test999> ALLLO
[10:09] <jussi> test999: join #freenode
[10:09] <test999> jussi yes I have joined
[10:10] <jussi> test999: ask there, they can help you
[10:10] <test999> jussi  yes I am helped
[10:11] <mychmg> n
[10:12] <test999> "/msg NickServ identify pass"       FREENODE sent ME on email following message "/msg NickServ SETPASS test999 passoldddd passwordnew"     and I recower it
[11:11] <gvandeweyer> hi, I know i'm in the wrong place but perhaps someone might have the answer: Is RAM backwards compatible as long as they fit in the same slot? I have an old machine with DDR PC3200 (166Mhz - 200Mhz) ram that is suffering instability and I'm thinking it is the RAM. However, local stores only have DDR 400Mhz and higher available.  will this work?
[11:32] <phoenix__> what is debin junior config
[11:36] <Guest48287> Hi room
[11:58] <Riddell> ** testers needed for 4.5.0 in lucid
[11:59] <jlaamanen> _o/ count me in
[12:05] <SteBo> Hi! I'm trying to upgrade 10.04 LTS to KDE SC 4.5 via kubuntu-backports-ppa. but there are a lot of conflicts.
[12:05] <SteBo> Is it completely uploaded yet?
[12:05] <SteBo> Saw the announcement on kubuntu.org and wanted to upgrade then.
[12:06] <Riddell> SteBo: how are you upgrading?
[12:06] <SteBo> I tried both KPackeKit and aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:07] <SteBo> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu lucid main is in the sources.list.d
[12:08] <SteBo> for package libkdecore5 I only see version 4:4.4.92a-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 in the repository
[12:09] <SteBo> when I do apt-cache show libkdecore5
[12:10] <dcorbin_work> What's the right way to see if a particular package is installed?
[12:11] <jussi> dcorbin_work: apt-cache policy <package>
[12:11] <jussi> SteBo: I suppose you ran "apt-get update"
[12:12] <SteBo> jussi: sure
[12:13] <SteBo> Riddell: any ideas?
[12:17] <Riddell> SteBo: can you pastebin the output of  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[12:17] <SteBo> Riddell: ok, one moment
[12:20] <SteBo> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/tiJyhLMF
[12:22] <EDinNY>  Just upgraded and I now not in the "sudoers" file!
[12:23] <EDinNY> any easy fix besides rebooting with an install disk and writing it by hand?
[12:25] <Riddell> SteBo: please wait two minutes
[12:26] <SteBo> Riddell: ok
[12:37] <nerdy_kid> having some dependancy trouble trying to upgrade to kde 4.5; synaptic wants to remove half my kde install.  has 4.5 hit the ppa fully?
[12:39] <SteBo> nerdy_kid: I have a similar problem. Riddell wanted to get back to me here in the channel in a few minutes.
[12:39] <nerdy_kid> SteBo ah ok.  ill stick around too then :)
[12:39] <Riddell> nerdy_kid: not yet, please stand by
[12:44] <SteBo> Riddell, nerdy_kid: looks good here now :)
[12:44] <SteBo> just did another apt-get update and everything looks fine.
[12:47] <Riddell> SteBo: great, let me know how it goes after the install
[12:48] <nerdy_kid> Riddell you guys rock :D
[12:48] <Riddell> nerdy_kid: let me know how it goes
[12:49] <SteBo> Riddell: all packages upgraded fine. I will logout and login again now.
[12:54] <SteBo> Riddell: everything's fine. I'm now using KDE SC 4.5 final :) Anything more I could test for you?
[12:56] <Riddell> SteBo: great
[12:56] <Riddell> SteBo: just try out some applications and plasma widgets
[12:58] <jlaamanen> going to reboot as well, fingers crossed
[13:02] <SteBo> Riddel: fish and smb-kio-slaves, kate, dolphin, konsole, kontact (korganizer, kmail, akregator), kopete, konqueror, kile, amarok and all my plasma applets work fine. I used KDE 4,5 RC2 before and the desktop works as before.
[13:03] <jlaamanen> SteBo: wrong, it works much smoother ;)
[13:04] <SteBo> jlaamanen: yes, this one Dolphin-hang-bug seems to be gone now :)
[13:04] <jlaamanen> memory consumption is definitely smaller
[13:05] <jlaamanen> 290 MB
[13:05] <SteBo> jlaamanen: How do you measure this?
[13:05] <jlaamanen> free -m
[13:05] <jlaamanen>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[13:05] <jlaamanen> Mem:          1968        826       1142          0         55        498
[13:05] <jlaamanen> -/+ buffers/cache:        272       1695
[13:05] <jlaamanen> Swap:         1929          0       1929
[13:05] <FloodBotK1> jlaamanen: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:06] <SteBo> used 826? not 290..?
[13:07] <SteBo> ah, it's 290 less than before right after login for you, right?
[13:07] <jlaamanen> i'm alwasy looking the used amount on the second row, second column
[13:08] <jlaamanen> which is consumption without buffers and cache
[13:08] <jlaamanen> desktop feels a lot more responsive than with RC2
[13:10] <SteBo> jlaamanen: I think you misinterpret the values reported by the free command. see man free. the second row is a subset of the used memory IMHO.
[13:15] <jlaamanen> SteBo: yeah, it doesn't memory used for cache+buffers, but afaik cache can be considered as unused memory
[13:16] <jlaamanen> s/doesn't/isn't/
[13:17] <SteBo> jlaamanen: yes, cache will be freed as soon as programs need the memory to run.
[13:18] <jlaamanen> nevertheless, it's less than with RC2
[13:20] <SteBo> cu, thank you for your held!
[13:20] <SteBo> help
[13:21] <nerdy_kid> Riddell everys good here, amarok gave me a seg fault the first time i tried starting but besides that everything seems to be going fine.
[13:24] <heyson-alice> Hello, the new version of KDE, will it come to the package managers today?
[13:27] <phoenix__> hello everyone
[13:28] <phoenix__> i am having problem with nvidia drivers. i just now upgraded to 10.10 rc3
[13:29] <jussi> phoenix__: 10.10 help in #ubuntu+1
[13:30] <bdrung> hi, a kubuntu developer here having time for looking at one sponsor request?
[13:30] <phoenix__> hello jussi, i am in failsafe mode. is there a way to increse the display resolution
[13:31] <jussi> phoenix__: 10.10 help in #ubuntu+1 please ;)
[13:31] <phoenix__> jussi: ok
[13:31] <jussi> bdrung: #kubuntu-devel is likely what you are after.
[13:32] <bdrung> jussi: ups. you are right. i joint the wrong channel.
[13:32] <James147> phoenix__: also, 10.10 is NOT RC3, its alpha 3
[13:35] <heyson-alice> svt__: Sveriges television?
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:39] <heyson-alice> Hiyas you
[13:48] <nerdy_kid> i cant get speech-dispatcher to work, all the logs are empty :(  any ideas?
[13:49] <nerdy_kid> (it is actually running, it just does absolutly nothing)
[13:51] <jlaamanen> 4.5.0 can't install network-manager-kde
[13:52] <enderw99> where is 4.5.0 released?
[13:52] <jlaamanen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/475912/
[13:52] <jlaamanen> enderw99: it's in backports ppa
[13:57] <Riddell> jlaamanen: I'll fix that
[14:00] <BluesKaj> Riddell, I lost kubuntu-workspace and several other key kde's including ketwork manager as well , I had to rescue my install in gnome,
[14:02]  * BluesKaj keeps gnome as a backup desktop in case I get brave or foolish with experimental stuff
[14:08] <okapi14> hi all, are you guys having problem on updating Kubuntu today?
[14:11] <nerdy_kid> okapi14 yeah riddell has been working on it
[14:18] <Riddell> jlaamanen: try an update then installing etwork-manager-kde
[14:19] <jlaamanen> Riddell: sure
[14:19] <Riddell> okapi14: what problems are you having?
[14:20] <jlaamanen> Riddell: works now
[14:20] <Riddell> jlaamanen: yay, let me know if you have any other issues
[14:21] <Riddell> BluesKaj: are you able to reinstall kubuntu-desktop now ?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Riddell, yes I deleted the kde 4.5 deb from the sources.list and updated and installed kubuntu-desktop
[14:23] <lelamal> hi, I'm trying to upgrade to KDE 4.5, but it keeps complaining about some errors, seemingly due to the names: kdebase-workspace-dbg_4%3a4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_i386.deb
[14:24] <lelamal> could it be the colon rendered here with 4%3a?
[14:24] <Riddell> lelamal: please pastebin your upgrade command and output
[14:24] <blip-> hi all, anyone know when/if KDE 4.5 is in PPA for Kubuntu 10.4 ?
[14:25] <jlaamanen> blip-: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45
[14:25] <lelamal> Riddell: ok, I've never done that, where should I paste it? I remember there's a webpage...
[14:25] <Riddell> lelamal: pastebin.com
[14:26] <lelamal> ok
[14:28] <lelamal> Riddell: ok, here it is: http://pastebin.com/eaUQcAyb
[14:29] <lelamal> am I correct in thinking it's because of it that most packages are held back?
[14:29] <Riddell> l	hmm, fooey
[14:30] <Riddell> lelamal: please try this and pastebin the output
[14:30] <Riddell> sudo dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_all.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-dbg_4%3a4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_i386.deb
[14:30] <okapi14> how to know the version of installed KDE?
[14:31] <jlaamanen> kde4-config -v
[14:31] <cba123> I installed mplayerthumbs and can't get previews to work.  I went to preferences, and enabled mplayerthumbs but I don't see previews, any ideas?
[14:31] <Riddell> okapi14: Help -> About KDE in any app
[14:32] <okapi14> Riddell, thanks. Mine seems to be finally installed...
[14:33] <Riddell> okapi14: 4.5 ?
[14:33] <lelamal> Riddell: ok, here it is: http://pastebin.com/6sAuNJEZ
[14:33] <nerdy_kid> there is still the "lost and found" section to systemsettings; i thought that was going to be fixed?
[14:34] <okapi14> Riddell, yep this is what I have "Platform version 4.5.00 (KDE 4.5.0)"
[14:34] <Riddell> lelamal: ok now finish it off with  sudo apt-get -f install
[14:37] <lelamal> Riddell: ok, I did that, and thanks, no more errors when I try to upgrade. But those 171 packages are still held back. I hoped that would unblock them...
[14:38] <Riddell> lelamal: which packages?
[14:39] <lelamal> Riddell: those at the bottom: http://pastebin.com/Kz609x8e
[14:39] <lelamal> I'm kinda stuck
[14:40] <Riddell> lelamal: what happens if you apt-get install dolphin
[14:42] <markus____> Riddell: Now, I tried to update my laptop from 4.4.5. some packages are to be removed (e.g. digikam, libtqt4-phonon). it seems to me that libqt4-phonon and libqt4-assistant are not up to date?
[14:42] <lelamal> Riddell: should I say yes? http://pastebin.com/rT39mLVU
[14:42] <Riddell> lelamal: yes
[14:43] <Riddell> libqt4-assistant is the problem there, it's gone away
[14:43] <markus____> ah, ok
[14:43] <lelamal> Riddell: ok, many thanks for your assistance! =)
[14:44] <heyson-alice> KDE 4.5, when is it in the package manager?
[14:46] <James147> heyson-alice: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45
[14:49] <KukuNut> topic should be updated to reflect the 4.5
[14:51] <okapi14> Riddel, where is libmarble4? Yes, some application has been removed like digikam....
[14:55] <okapi14> Riddell, why KDE-FULL package still kept back?
[14:57] <ramanK1> Hi there
[14:57] <ramanK1> How can I install the KDE-netbook 4.5 on kubuntu lucid?
[14:57] <Riddell> okapi14: digikam copied, will appear in a minute
[14:58] <cba123> I think it's funny that the day after I decide to reinstall KDE, they release 4.5
[14:59] <cba123> nvm, seems like it is just the "development platform"
[14:59] <James147> cba123: no, they relaesed kde 4.5 fully ^^
[14:59] <ramanK1> Can you tell me how can I install kde-netbook 4.5 on my lucid?
[15:00] <Riddell> cba123: what gives you that idea?
[15:00] <James147> ramanK1: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45   assuming you already have the netbook version
[15:00] <James147> http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.5/ ^^ they mention dev platform first ?
[15:01] <ramanK1> James147: I added the backport repositories but I don't know what to do next
[15:01] <James147> ramanK1: update
[15:01] <ramanK1> James147: apt-get update?
[15:01] <Riddell> ramanK1: dist-upgrade, install plasma-netbook, select it in System Settings
[15:01] <Riddell> under Plasma Workspaces I think
[15:01] <James147> sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:01] <cba123> Riddell, http://www.kde.org/ first link says Development platform, not the standard desktop environment.
[15:01] <James147> sorry ^sudo apt-get update  should be the first one
[15:02] <Riddell> cba123: "Applications and Plasma Workspaces" too
[15:02] <Riddell> clearly this new branding has some bedding down to do
[15:03] <cba123> Riddell, That, and kde.org's banner says "Experience Freedom 4.4"
[15:03] <ramanK1> James147: wow , it wants to upgrade the all things , is there any way that I upgrade just the plasma-netbook?
[15:03] <cba123> Riddell, Not doubting you, just saying that is what I saw first.
[15:03] <Riddell> cba123: damn, well caught
[15:03] <James147> ramanK1: not without upgrading all of kde
[15:03] <Riddell> (on the banner)
[15:03] <ramanK1> James147: hmm , thanks
[15:03] <ramanK1> Riddell: thanks
[15:04] <okapi14> Riddell, why KDE-FULL package still kept back?
[15:06] <cba123> Riddell, Where do I find 4.5 to install?  Did apt-get update, then upgrade, and didn't get anything.
[15:06] <Riddell> cba123: see http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45
[15:06] <Riddell> okapi14: dunno, checking
[15:09] <Riddell> okapi14: kde-full installing fine here, what issue do you get?
[15:10] <okapi14> Riddell: on install of digikam, this is the error from synaptic " Depends:libmarble4 but is not going to be installed" on install of the libmarble4, lot of applications will be removed..
[15:11] <Riddell> okapi14: sorry digikam is still working through the publisher, should be done in a minute or two
[15:12] <okapi14> Riddel: from apt-get upgrade all I get "the following packages ave been kept back: KDE-FULL"
[15:18] <Jadi19> how can I upgrade to kde 4.5?
[15:19] <James147> Jadi19: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45  ^^
[15:19] <Jadi19> thank you James :)
[15:24] <BluesKaj> all I can say is , good luck with 4.5 . definitely still a challenge IMO
[15:25] <James147> how did your upgrade go BluesKaj?
[15:26] <Riddell> okapi14: digikam should be in now
[15:26] <BluesKaj> it didn't James147..kde disappeared altogether ..I should have realized when kubuntu-workspace was being deleted :)
[15:27] <James147> :) good idea to watch for packages being removed
[15:27] <Riddell> BluesKaj: you were the first to try it, in the hours since there's been plenty of addition to the PPA
[15:28] <BluesKaj> Riddell, I appreciate that , but I think I'll wait for a few days
[15:29]  * BluesKaj dons the hat of caution for a while
[15:33] <reagle> I `add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports` but I only see 30M of updates? But the announce says that's the right repo to add...? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45
[15:33] <BluesKaj> James147, I keep gnome desktop as a backup ..it's not a purist approach but it works and I do use some gtk apps anyway.
[15:33] <reagle> oh, I see, the other packages "have been kept back"
[15:34]  * reagle runs apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:34] <James147> BluesKaj: I would just use aptitude in a virtual terminal :) since thats probally what I would end up running anyway in gnome
[15:35] <BluesKaj> James147, I occasionally switch to gnome if I'm puzzled about a question regarding ubuntu apps
[15:37] <reagle> uh-oh: Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt4-help_4%3a4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu3~lucid1~ppa4_amd64.deb
[15:37] <okapi14> Riddell, thanks for help but this is sucks... I get away from WINDOWS to avoid loosing data or application and I have to face it here again!
[15:39] <James147> okapi14: thats always a risk when updaging so close ot a release
[15:39] <James147> okapi14: if you want to avoid such problems wait a week after a release to upgrade
[15:41] <Riddell> reagle: please pastebin the output with the error
[15:41] <Riddell> okapi14: what's the problem?
[15:42] <reagle> Riddell: my system is a little messed up now, can't Konq, I think it related to a conflict with a dependency in autokey-qt, but not sure.
[15:43] <reagle> Riddell: here is where I am now: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/248465/
[15:43] <okapi14> Riddell: KDE-Full still kept back and digikam not available (or can not be re-install without removing the update) and can not connect my Iphone anymore..
[15:43] <reagle> kdebase-runtime: Depends: kdebase-runtime-data (>= 4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2) but 4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1 is to be installed
[15:44] <Riddell> reagle: are you on amd64?
[15:44] <reagle> yes
[15:44] <Riddell> reagle: fooey looks like you'll need to wait an hour for the necessary package to compile
[15:45] <reagle> ... so it refuses to install kdebase-runtime and installing plasma-scriptengine-javascript threatens to remove a ton of packages
[15:45] <reagle> ah, too quick on the draw I was
[15:46] <Riddell> okapi14: pastebin  apt-cache policy digikam
[15:55] <lelamal> hi, I've just upgraded to KDE 4.5, but after login screen I get only a black screen. Now writing from a different computer. How can I fix this?
[15:56] <rethus> whats on today... i have 3 security updates, 22 regular updates and 141 blocked updates in kpackageKit.
[15:56] <lelamal> All I can do is stare at the pointer, or ctrl+alt+f# to reach a terminal
[15:56] <rethus> is that a bug on my machine, or did someone have such much updates too?
[15:56] <okapi14> Riddell:here is what I get after apt-cache digikam policy "digikam:
[15:56] <okapi14>   Installed: (none)
[15:56] <okapi14>   Candidate: 2:1.3.0-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2
[15:56] <okapi14>   Version table:
[15:56] <okapi14>      2:1.3.0-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 0
[15:56] <okapi14>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages
[15:56] <FloodBotK1> okapi14: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:56] <rethus>  okapi14: use pastebin.com
[15:57] <Riddell> reagle: 4.5 just got released
[15:57] <Riddell> rethus rather ^^
[15:58] <rethus> ahh, k. i afraid there was a bug on my machine :D
[15:58] <rethus> ok, thatn lets get it...
[15:59] <okapi14> Riddell: to who I have to pastebin
[16:00] <Riddell> okapi14: pastebin  apt-get install digikam
[16:00] <James147> lelamal: on the black screen can you get krunner up? (alt+F2)
[16:01] <lelamal> Riddell: nope
[16:01] <lelamal> I can control just the pointer
[16:01] <okapi14> Riddell: Done
[16:01] <lelamal> James147: sorry, I got the wrong name
[16:02] <Riddell> lelamal: can you do  alt-f2  konsole ?
[16:02] <Riddell> okapi14: what's the URL?
[16:02] <okapi14> riddell: http://pastebin.com/aErrVKpr
[16:02] <Riddell> 16:00 < Riddell> okapi14: pastebin  apt-get install digikam
[16:03] <lelamal> Riddell: no, I can't, alt+f2 dosn't respond
[16:04] <lelamal> James147 and Riddell: but I can reach a virtual terminal with ctrl+alt+f# if that can help
[16:06] <Riddell> lelamal: try this from a linux command line   echo -e "[Compositing]\nEnabled=false" > ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[16:08] <lelamal> Riddell: ok, did that
[16:09] <Riddell> lelamal: then log in
[16:09] <Riddell> killall ksmserver  might be an easy way to force it to log out
[16:09] <joe___> hello everybody, I would like you opinion on something, plese
[16:10] <joe___> I am about to set again umask as I used to have on another distro before... I want that only users with ID >= 1000 will have a umask of 002, so that the group permission is always writable
[16:10] <lelamal> Riddell: ksmserver: no process found
[16:10] <lelamal> should I just reboot?
[16:11] <joe___> then I set the default group for users >= 1000 as "user", for all of them, and then I set the home permissions to rwx------
[16:11] <joe___> this way, every user has got its own "privacy" inside their home, but the moment they want to share a file with other people, then can just copy it to a shared area
[16:11] <joe___> do you see any downside in this configuration, please?
[16:12] <joe___> root, as every user below ID 1000, will still have a default umask of 022
[16:13] <Riddell> lelamal: yes
[16:13] <lelamal> Riddell: I rebooted in the meantime. Basically, now, after letting me enter my suername/password, it keeps showing the blue background
[16:14] <lelamal> but doens't show the fading things (sorry, don't know what they're called) before showing the desktop (which is never shown, in fact)
[16:15] <lelamal> basically, I'm stuck here, but with the native colour instead of a black screen
[16:15] <okapi14> Riddell:did I send the wrong information?
[16:16] <joe___> lelamal, Riddell: I didn't follow from the beginning, but maybe deleting KDE settings (~/.kde) would help, what do you think?
[16:16] <James147> joe___: not just yet...
[16:16] <joe___> ok
[16:17] <Riddell> lelamal: don't delete settings but trying with a newly created user is an option
[16:17] <joe___> James147: ok, you're the expers :)
[16:17] <joe___> Riddell: you've got a point there
[16:17] <James147> ^^ what Riddell said is the better option for testing a clean home director
[16:17] <James147> allot less distructive
[16:18] <joe___> James147: yes, it is right
[16:20] <lelamal> Riddell: ok, how should I go about it from the virtual terminal, please?
[16:21] <Riddell> lelamal: sudo adduser
[16:21] <joe___> lelamal: you can use the "adduser" command
[16:25] <lelamal> Riddell: with the new user I'm back to the black screen
[16:26] <lelamal> I can hear the HD stops working when the black screen appears
[16:26] <James147> lelamal: try "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade" see if anything was missed
[16:26] <lelamal> I mean, it stops loading things, so I don't expect it to show the desktop
[16:26] <lelamal> James147: ok
[16:28] <lelamal> I only get errors, I guess it's not connected until it loads the desktop?
[16:28] <James147> lelamal: wireless or wired?
[16:28] <lelamal> James147: wireless
[16:28] <James147> bah..
[16:29] <lelamal> James147: what do you mean?
[16:29] <James147> lelamal: is it possible to get a wired connection, makes things easier (dont know how to connect to a wireless form commandline )
[16:30] <lelamal> sorry, no, never had a cable, and the modem is two rooms away
[16:31] <lelamal> James147: but in the end of the update process, I made sure no packages were left, for what it's worth
[16:32] <James147> lelamal: you reran the update?
[16:32] <lelamal> James147: I gave the command again, and it showed 0 packages available
[16:33] <lelamal> James147: just to double-check, I even ran kpackagekit, go figure!
[16:35] <James147> lelamal: ^^ was anything removed by the upgrade?
[16:36] <lelamal> yes, things were removed, things were upgraded, things were installed
[16:36] <James147> lelamal: you know what was removed?
[16:36] <James147> (anything that sounded importnat)?
[16:37] <lelamal> James147: they were around 200 packages, coming and going, I didn't take notice of them
[16:37] <lelamal> James147: it's not realistic, I guess, to check every single package coming and going
[16:38] <lelamal> James147: are you hinting at something? did anything happen users should have been aware of?
[16:38] <James147> lelamal: i tend to use aptitude which pauses to show you whats being installed/upgraded/removed... thourght apt-get did that as well...
[16:38] <James147> but cant remember
[16:39] <James147> lelamal: more like taking shots in the dark... not really sure whats wrong
[16:39] <lelamal> James147: did you upgrade today?
[16:40] <James147> lelamal: yesterday...
[16:40] <lelamal> James147: I mean, did you notice anything it was trying to uninstall, and which shouldn't have?
[16:40] <lelamal> James147: if the process is the same for everyone, then I shouldn't be alone in this... just sayign
[16:41] <James147> lelamal: no, but sometimes there is a conflict from some reason... you upgraded at a time where some things where still being done as far as I am aware
[16:42] <lelamal> James147: oh, I see. I wasn't aware of that... I thought packages were available, so it was safe to upgrade...
[16:42] <James147> lelamal: generally its best to wait till the end of the day :)
[16:44] <lelamal> you will understand, however, that if kubuntu website (and KDE?) say software is available, users trust them that it's safe =)
[16:46] <lelamal> anyway, this still leaves me with a unusable desktop, so I would still love to solve this issue, please
[16:51] <reagle> yea, kdebase-runtime on amd64 still isn't installable.
[16:53] <marcosroriz> gùys
[16:54] <marcosroriz> how do I create a widget like a panel, but that I can place anywhere?
[16:56] <James147> panel isnt a widget... and I am not entirely sure what you are asking (a development question or something specific?)
[16:56] <maco> James147: im pretty sure the panel itself is a plasmoid
[16:56] <maco> some sort of floating containment is what it sounds like marcosroriz wants
[16:56] <James147> maco: it is?
[16:57] <marcosroriz> yeah
[16:58] <maco> James147: it gets configured in plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[16:58] <marcosroriz> something like the folder widget but only for icons ()
[16:58] <maco> marcosroriz: oh do you just want something that can hold launchers?
[16:58] <marcosroriz> yep
[16:58] <marcosroriz> but that I can place anywhere
[16:58] <James147> quick launch springs to mind ^^
[16:58] <maco> yep
[16:58] <maco> which is the same thing as the one on the panel... you can just drag it onto the desktop
[16:59] <marcosroriz> ahh
[16:59] <marcosroriz> cool
[16:59] <maco> or... hmm maybe recent versions of kubuntu dotn put it on the panel by default
[16:59] <James147> ^^ can get it from right click > addwidgets  either way
[17:00] <lelamal> Riddell: sorry to be a nuysance, but I really don't know how to get my computer back to working. do you have any other suggestion? adding another user only regress to the black screen situation.
[17:00] <marcosroriz> thanks :D
[17:00] <marcosroriz> \o/
[17:00] <marcosroriz> It's this one (quicks launch)!
[17:00] <marcosroriz> thanks gusy
[17:00] <marcosroriz> :D \o/
[17:11] <reagle> hah, kdebase-runtime on amd64 is finally available!
[17:20] <howlymowly> hi guys...  short question:  I am about to install KDE 4.5  .. but when I do "sudo aptie update" sudo aptitude upgrade"  i get all the packages from the ppa but they are beeing "kept back" by the update manager...
[17:20] <howlymowly> any idea?
[17:20] <howlymowly> *sudo aptitude
[17:21] <James147> howlymowly: "sudo aptitude full-upgrade" work?
[17:24] <Riddell> howlymowly: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:25] <Riddell> lelamal: I fear you will have to remove kdelibs5, disable the PPA and reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[17:27] <lelamal> Riddell: why do you fear? is this bad? if not, can you guide me through this, please?
[17:28] <howlymowly> James147: hold on.. I'll try...
[17:28] <James147> lelamal:  first you need to connect to the network...
[17:28] <howlymowly> Riddell: but I do not want to upgrade my distro...  just kde 4.4 to kde4.5 with kubutnu 10.04
[17:29] <James147> howlymowly: I believe that apt-get dist-upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade are equlivent
[17:29] <lelamal> James147: ok, I remember you don't know how to do that, I was trying to see if Riddel could help
[17:29] <James147> howlymowly: apt-get dist-upgrade wont upgrade you to a newer distrbution version
[17:30] <DarthFrog> howlymowly: dist-upgrade does a full updating of your current installation, it does not upgrade you to the next version.
[17:30] <DarthFrog> howlymowly: You'd have to use "update-manager-kde -u" to do that.
[17:31] <lelamal> Riddell: I rebooted from the livecd, maybe this may help?
[17:31] <James147> lelamal: that would :) you can chroot into the system and update it like that
[17:32] <Riddell> howlymowly: dist-upgrade is unrelated to upgrading distribution versions
[17:32] <howlymowly> kk.. thx guys..  seems like it worked...
[17:32] <lelamal> James147: ok, sorry I don't know how to chroot, could you please write the command?
[17:32] <James147> lelamal: (looking for a good howto)
[17:32] <howlymowly> i just hope now, that kde 4.5 works as flawless as kde 4.4 now ^^
[17:32] <lelamal> James147: sure thanks
[17:33] <DarthFrog> howlymowly: So do we all. :-)
[17:33] <howlymowly> I was just wondering, because when I upgraded my kde in earlier versions of kubuntu i never had to do a "full-upgrade"
[17:33] <howlymowly> or "distro-upgrade"
[17:34] <James147> howlymowly: eairlyer versions you had to change the sources.list manually and upgrade with dist-upgrade... but it wont upgrade your distro version by its self
[17:36] <howlymowly> whiuuu...   a new kde version on my computer is almost like christmas ^^ jeez... i have finally become a geek i guess ^^
[17:37] <James147> lelamal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD  << should  work if you stop ebfore you edit grub :) (ie after the sudo chroot /mnt command)
[17:39] <James147> lelamal: let me know when you are in chroot
[17:39] <lelamal> James147: many thanks, I was looking for something myself but failed, now I try
[17:40] <pinclus> Does anyone knows what is status of kdepim in KDE 4.5?
[17:42] <howlymowly> pinclus: I am just upgrading :)  but i think I read somewhere that the new pim will not be included in the upgrade yet, because the upgrade was about stability and not new features
[17:45] <James147> lelamal: hows it going?
[17:48] <lelamal> well, this is one of those days... anyway, i had to find a way to export the network password (I'm on gnome here), on a USB key, then fucked up something, and had to reboot the livecd, I'll soon start working on that, sorry
[17:52] <BluesKaj> lelamal, using the 'f' word isn't necessary here
[17:52] <lelamal> BluesKaj: sorry, I didn't notice writing it
[17:53] <BluesKaj> lelamal, ok
[17:54] <lelamal> BluesKaj: did you have problems updating today?
[17:54] <BluesKaj> lelamal, yesterday ..it didn't go well, had to restore my old kde using ghome/cli
[17:55] <BluesKaj> err gnome
[17:55] <staar2> hello
[17:55] <staar2> where i can remove in kubuntu all the effects ?
[17:56] <lelamal> BluesKaj: I remember reading you while upgrading, and thinking, oh well, let's hope it doesn't end up like that
[17:56] <BluesKaj> old kde being 4.4.5, lelamal
[17:56] <lelamal> James147: I'm done with that procedure
[17:57] <BluesKaj> staar2, desktop effects are in systenm settings/desktop
[17:58] <James147> lelamal: first you need to remove the backports ppa, can be done by deleteing or renaming it in "/etc/apt/sources.list.d"
[17:58] <staar2> BluesKaj: ty i didnt find that :D
[18:00] <Eniak> does anybody know why everytime a push Crtl+L , the Locked Screen turns into white and i can't see anything
[18:00] <Eniak> i've got kubuntu 10 with Nvidia 256.44 driver
[18:03] <josico> #barcelona
[18:04] <lelamal> James147: ok, done that
[18:04] <James147> then run "sudo aptitude update" and then "sudo aptitude reinstall kubuntu-desktop"
[18:04]  * James147 hopes thats all you need to do :D 
[18:05] <Eniak> wow, only for that bug?
[18:05] <James147> Eniak: those commands are for lelamal not you sorry
[18:07] <lelamal> James147: 1 sec, I'm copying the result on pastebin
[18:07] <olskolirc> I'm on Jaunty using firefox 3.6.8 and it keeps crashing.  When I restart firefox I get this error: Firefox is already running, but is not responding.  To open a new window, you must close the existing Firefox process, or restart your system.
[18:08] <joe___> When I try to configure network connections from system settings, I cannot set "System connection" on a new connection. I guess this is because it doesn't ask me for my password and I am not privileged enough.. is there a workaround to fix this, please?
[18:08] <lelamal> James147: http://pastebin.com/ewe2mQBu
[18:08] <Eniak_S> here's a screenshot of my problem, http://a.imageshack.us/img530/6176/screenshothl.png
[18:08] <joe___> I don't know, maybe a kdesudo something... to start the network settings with appropriate privileges?
[18:08] <lelamal> James147: this was also to check if my connection was actually working
[18:09] <reagle> using 4.5... a bunch of my keyboard shortcuts got nuked (e.g., krunner), the systray mono icons look weird since not everything is mono, ...
[18:09] <reagle> also, can't launch kmail
[18:09] <reagle> kmail: error while loading shared libraries: libkontactinterface.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:09] <joe___> I really would like to set a static IP address to my desktop and I think that removing network manager is not an option...
[18:09] <olskolirc> How do I get firefox 3.6.8 to stop making me kill the pid before I can use it again on Jaunty please?
[18:09] <vinnie_> anyone know where the forced disk check history is kept
[18:10] <DarthFrog> joe___: Can you do it at the router?  That's how I do it and it works well.
[18:10] <joe___> DarthFrog: unfortunately not. I cannot find anything in the DHPC settings to always give a certain IP to a certain mac address
[18:11] <reagle> kmail needs libakonadi-contact4  libkontactinterface4
[18:11] <joe___> DarthFrog: but maybe if you explain to me how you do it in your router, I can find something similar for mine
[18:11] <DarthFrog> joe___: What router are you using?  Can it be flashed with DD-WRT?
[18:11] <DarthFrog> joe___:  You can also set a static IP with knetworkmanager.
[18:12] <joe___> DarthFrog: I don't understand what "flashed with DD-WRT" mean... I am using a US robotics router
[18:12] <joe___> DarthFrog: but the problem with knetworkmanager is that I cannot set a system connection, I can only do it per user, and I don't like it
[18:13] <DarthFrog> joe___:  Then you can do it via /etc/network/interfaces.
[18:13] <joe___> DarthFrog: oh... and it will still work with network manager?
[18:13] <DarthFrog> joe___: Probably not.
[18:14] <joe___> DarthFrog: that's the point. If only that stupid "System connection" checkbox would be enabled in network settings in KDE... that would be the thing I want to do
[18:14] <DarthFrog> joe___: But if you do it via the interfaces file, you don't need network manager.
[18:15] <joe___> DarthFrog: I'd like to keep network manager, so if in the future I would like to configure different networks it would be easier
[18:15] <joe___> DarthFrog: but ok, I guess you are right, I can just disable network manager and configure /etc/network/interfaces
[18:16] <joe___> DarthFrog: it just gets me angry, because I see this working with network manager on GNOME
[18:16] <DarthFrog> joe___: To do what you really want to do, you should do it at the router.   Have a look at http://www.dd-wrt.com
[18:17] <James147> lelamal: only think i can find that might help is http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3732782&postcount=2
[18:17] <joe___> DarthFrog: I agree with you that the router solution is the better one, if applicable. Thanks, I bookmarked the page
[18:18] <joe___> I will see it later, I am out for dinner... thanks a lot, DarthFrog
[18:21] <lelamal> James147: if I give the next command (aptitude install kubuntu-desktop) it responds somehow: http://pastebin.com/NZ7hF5L0 should I say yes?
[18:22] <BluesKaj> joe___, you can configure other networks by adding the IPs in hosts.allow , for ex : ALL:192.168.X.XX/254
[18:22] <James147> lelamal:  need to fix the first command first :)
[18:23] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: ????   What does tcpwrappers have to do with it?
[18:23] <James147> lelamal: ^^ you tryed the above fix ?
[18:23] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: You're talking horseshoes and hand grenades. :-)
[18:23] <BluesKaj>  /etc/hosts.allow
[18:23] <lelamal> James147: not yet, I am now
[18:24] <BluesKaj> hosts being the other networks in a wan
[18:24] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: hosts.allow and hosts.deny are the config files for tcpwrappers, part of your system security.
[18:25] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: They give or deny permission for other hosts to connect to your system.  SSH, for example, uses those files.
[18:25] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog,, maybe so but it also "sees" and recognizes other IPs on the networks and
[18:26] <BluesKaj> allows connections that werepreviously ignored
[18:27] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: So how does that allow the setting of a static IP address, which is what Joe__ was asking?
[18:28] <lelamal> James147: I already have a line that says: 127.0.0.1 >> localhost. Should I add that anyway. And, sorry to be stupid, what is exactly a "hostname"? the name of the connection?
[18:29] <DarthFrog> !hostname
[18:30] <lelamal> DarthFrog: it's telling me that hostname must be the same in both files, but not what it is
[18:30] <DarthFrog> The hostname is the name of your computer.  If it includes the network domain name, it is a FQDN (Fully Qualified Domain Name).
[18:30] <James147> lelamal: replace the line ^^
[18:30] <lelamal> James147: ok
[18:30] <James147> lelamal: but rather then "yourhostname" at the end replace it with your actual host name
[18:31]  * James147 wonders if that should be the host name of the live enviroment or the chroot...
[18:31] <DarthFrog> lelamal: To find out your hostname, give the command "hostname" at a Konsole terminal session.
[18:32] <DarthFrog> James147: If he's chroot'ed, it should be the chroot name.  Whatever "hostname" tells him.
[18:32] <James147> DarthFrog: :)
[18:32] <DarthFrog> James147: If he's properly chroot'ed, the hostname is in /etc/hostname.
[18:33] <lelamal> DarthFrog: yes, in fact it's ubuntu
[18:34] <James147> lelamal: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7960338&postcount=3  << might have been a better one to follow...
[18:35] <tax> i download some files mp3 and the shows me 1. �� �'������- ����.mp3 , how i can rename that files to play?
[18:35] <James147> lelamal: might want to restart the chroot following that one
[18:35] <James147> (crtl+d to close the chroot or start a new terminal)
[18:35] <DarthFrog> James147: That's an excellent post.  Would be nice if it could be put into ubottu.
[18:35] <lelamal> James147: I've tried the hostname change but still the same errors, now Iill take a look at the new link
[18:36] <James147> lelamal: sorry for the round about-ness not use to chrooting with networking :S
[18:37] <lelamal> James147: it's ok, sorry for keeping you here for so long, and thanks for the patience... :)
[18:37]  * James147 has nothing better to do...
[18:38] <DarthFrog> It seems that both James147 and I haven't yet found that ftp site from which we download a life. :-)
[18:38] <James147> DarthFrog: :D
[18:42] <tax> i try to rename but it says that files doesn't exist and also i cano't delete them
[18:42] <James147> tax: whats the file called?
[18:43] <tax> i don't know , my region is greece so maybe ubuntu can't see that fonts
[18:44] <tax> i try through terminal , and show that mp3 files like that 123/1233/4566/7766.mp3
[18:44] <DarthFrog> tax: it's the slashes that are causing the problem.  Double them.  i.e. // instead of /
[18:46] <tax> i am newbie , what do you mean ?
[18:47] <lelamal> James147: ok, I managed to update, but when I tell it to reinstall it tells me it's not currently installed, so it won't be reinstalled
[18:47] <Mamarok> DarthFrog: try ssh instead, that might work ;)
[18:47] <DarthFrog> tax: In Unix (Ubuntu is a type of Unix), the forward slash is used in the same way that a backslash is used in the DOS/Windows world.  That is, it separates directories (or folders) in a path.
[18:47] <DarthFrog> Mamarok: ???
[18:48] <Mamarok> DarthFrog: you said you were looking for the ftp site to download a life :)
[18:48] <James147> lelamal: what happens if you install iut?
[18:48] <James147> ^^ or try to
[18:48] <DarthFrog> tax:  You can also enclose the problem file names in quotes instead.
[18:49] <James147> ^^ or use wildcards (* and ?) for characters you cant type
[18:49] <DarthFrog> Mamarok: I see.  :-)  So just where is that "Ponce de Leon"ic site? :-))
[18:50] <James147> (? for a single character * for any number of characters)
[18:50] <lelamal> James147: http://pastebin.com/HVAgQk9Z
[18:50] <DarthFrog> tax:   "123/1233/4566/7766.mp3"  or '123/1233/4566/7766.mp3'  should get around the problem. i.e. put quote marks around the file name.
[18:51] <James147> ^^ wonder why its trying to remove network-manager-kde ... o well, you can try it and  just install that again after
[18:52] <James147> o wait
[18:52] <lelamal> James147: ok
[18:52] <DarthFrog> tax: Enclosing a file name within quotes escapes the special characters from the command interpreter.  Single quotes are stronger than double quotes.
[18:52] <BluesKaj> too bad joe__ left...had a good tutorial for static IP in /etc/network/interfaces
[18:53] <BluesKaj> or have
[18:53] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: Where is it?
[18:53] <Freddy2> hi
[18:53] <James147> DarthFrog: dose that work for /  i thought that would still mean a path...
[18:53] <DarthFrog> James147: You might need the singe quote escape for /.  But // should work, also.
[18:54] <Freddy2> hmm no kde 4.5 in backports for x86_64? is that true? (according to the topic)
[18:54] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[18:54] <DarthFrog> Freddy2: 4.5 will be released shortly.   I'm running it now on x86_64.
[18:55] <Freddy2> i mean according to synaptic if i try to mark the packages to update it has to remove a lot, and install many other packages.. quite strange
[18:55] <James147> Freddy2: I would wait abit before trying to upgrade a 64bit
[18:56] <James147> lelamal: uninstall network-manager first then try to install kubuntu-desktop
[18:56] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: That's pretty good.  He should have told how to identify which network interface to use.  That won't work for wlan0, for instance.
[18:56] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, did you upgrade to 4.5 yesterday or more recently?
[18:57] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: Yesterday.  It's the presumtive final release.
[18:57] <DarthFrog> presumptive
[18:57] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: But I did a dist-upgrade today.
[18:58] <Freddy2> ok, i'll wait :) thx
[18:59] <ni3> hi
[19:03] <boby> is there kubuntu 10.04.1 available?
[19:03] <lelamal> James147: ok, I did that, and I had some broken packages, I gave sudo aptitude install -f, and after that, I reran the upgrade, and this is where I am: http://pastebin.com/WRPvtV7T
[19:04] <boby> ?
[19:06] <James147> lelamal: answer yes to that
[19:08] <James147> bottiger: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/  are all the current released versions
[19:09] <lelamal> James147: do you think that a taking a home backup now, and integrating into a full backup I did 10 days ago would be a cleaner solution? I've kept saying yes to that many times already: http://pastebin.com/CenUnYUz
[19:09] <slow-motion> hi
[19:10] <bottiger> James147: ok?
[19:10] <James147> bottiger: sorry tab fail
[19:11] <bottiger> James147: np
[19:11] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, there is awifi wlan0 tutorial for network/interfaces on nixCraft , but I can't seem to find it :(
[19:12] <James147> lelamal: that would work... but we are getting somewhere now, would be a shame to just give up :p
[19:13] <lelamal> James147: I didn't seem to go any further...
[19:14] <James147> lelamal: if you want to restore a backup you can, but atm all you need to do is keep removing kde packages untill kubuntu-desktop install properly :)
[19:14] <James147> kdebase-workspace-data ebing the next one :)
[19:14] <James147> and -bin ^^
[19:16] <lelamal> James147: if you look at the last pastebin you will see where I'm stuck.
[19:16] <lelamal> James147: basically, I keep repeating the same command, and keep receiving the same output
[19:17] <boby> kubuntu 10.04.1 is it available?
[19:18] <James147> lelamal: "sudo aptitude remove kdebase-workspace-data kdebase-workspace-bin kde-window-manager kdebase-workspace"  then install kubuntu-desktop again..
[19:18] <lelamal> James147: ok
[19:19] <James147> lelamal: ^^ and remove anything that wants to remove, installing kubuntu-desktop should reinstall everything needed by the system (at least for kde)
[19:19] <boby> ?
[19:19] <boby> anyone?
[19:20] <James147> boby: : http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ are all the current released versions
[19:20] <boby> ok I know that
[19:21] <boby> but 10.04.1 was schudeled for 8.8.2010
[19:21] <Pici> Its scheduled for the 12th iirc.
[19:22] <boby> I see it now
[19:22] <boby> it is moved
[19:22] <lelamal> James147: ok, it seems it did its job ;)
[19:22] <boby> how to upgrade to kde 4.5?
[19:23] <James147> boby: see topic
[19:23] <James147> lelamal: see :) getting there slowly
[19:24] <lelamal> James147: yes :)
[19:24] <boby> amd 64 still in progress?
[19:24] <James147> boby: as far as I know
[19:24] <boby> i have amd64
[19:24] <James147> boby: then I suggest waiting for a bit before upgrading
[19:25] <boby> ok
[19:27] <lelamal> James147: so, basically what I should do now is just reboot?
[19:28] <James147> lelamal:  install finished without error?
[19:28] <James147> lelamal: ^^ if so just do a quick check to make sure network-manager and network-manager-kde where installed :)
[19:29] <James147> lelamal:  and install them if you need to, then you should be good for a reboot
[19:30] <lelamal> James147: yes, they both are... rebooting now
[19:31]  * James147 also reboots
[19:31] <BluesKaj> I was thinking of attempting another kde 4.5 upgrade , but the deb url Riddell gave me yesterday is unreachable without a username and pw.
[19:32] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: I didn't need to login.
[19:35] <lelamal> James147: it seems everything is back to normal. sure, desktop activities, wallpapers etc are gone, but I couldn't be that demanding :)
[19:36] <lelamal> James147: seriously man, thank you SO much for bearing with me, and solve this thng for me, it was really appreciated! =)
[19:36] <toomai_CH> hello all
[19:36] <James147> lelamal: no problem :)
[19:37] <James147> lelamal: you ready gona wait a bit before upgrading then?
[19:37] <James147> ^^ trying to upgrade again
[19:37] <toomai_CH> anyone else used the backports to get KDE 4.5.0? My Kmail is acting up, it cant find libkontactinterface.so.4 therefore it doesnt start...the package libkdepim5 is installed...anyone else got that problem?
[19:38] <lelamal> James147: =) heh, no way! I'll let the dust settle a bit, now... I've learnt my lesson! Have a good evening/day, and thanks again!
[19:38] <toomai_CH> sorry, libkdepim4
[19:40] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, ok got a url ?
[19:47] <skafti> hi can someone help me speed up my computer
[19:48] <skafti> just installed kubuntu, the computer is insanely slow grrr
[19:48] <skafti> slowed down after i upgraded Hardy H
[19:49] <DarthFrog> skafti: Run "top" or "htop" at the command line, see which processes are consuming excessive resources.
[19:49] <James147> skafti: upgraded to what?
[19:51] <skafti> f*** takes like 15min to swicht between windows
[19:51] <toomai_CH> ooookay, just solved the problem myself...sorry...:)
[19:51] <DarthFrog> skafti: Kill firefox, if it's running.
[19:52] <skafti> james  first i upgraded hardy and then came another upgrade for lucid
[19:52] <skafti> only thing thats running now is quassel
[19:52] <toomai_CH> another questions: anyone tried to add google calendar and contacts to Kontact?? it keeps sayint (in calendar) I used the invalid password (I really have typed it correctly!) in KDE 4.5.0 (and in KDE 4.4.5)
[19:53] <skafti> its like having windows xp on 385 machine
[19:53] <James147> skafti: try disabling the desktop effects
[19:53] <skafti> dunn that
[19:55] <toomai_CH> so I guess no one is using google here...or android...;)
[19:57] <James147> tomdavidson: I do :) but not kontact :S
[19:57] <James147> although last I tryed i was able to set up a sync with my google acount
[19:57]  * James147 goes off to try again
[19:58] <tomdavidson> hi James147: reminding me what your talking about :)
[19:58] <scheuri> James147: well, I installed the akonadi plugin for googledata...and it allows me to create a "calendar" and contacts...but it keep saying to me that I entered a invalid password
[19:58] <tomdavidson> ahh you ment toomai_CH:
[19:58] <James147> tomdavidson: dam tab complete :S
[19:58] <scheuri> tomdavidson: sorry, I changed my nick, so James147 matched yours
[19:58] <James147> sorry ^^
[19:58] <tomdavidson> ya but it s great becuase this sounds like a prob i have too
[19:59] <scheuri> James147 and tomdavidson: I am sorry for changing nick
[19:59] <scheuri> tomdavidson: really? oh well...that is good and bad...meaning I am not the only one, but it does not work...;)
[20:01] <James147> scheuri: I take it you already ahve akonadi-kde-resource-googledata installed?
[20:02] <tomdavidson> scheuri: it been awhile since i tried, but i shelfed it to see if the next update when kontact made the switch helped out
[20:02] <scheuri> James147: yes, I have...but I will check again
[20:03] <tomdavidson> i prob dont have any input, but will observe just to make sure :)
[20:03] <scheuri> tomdavidson: well, I was trying at 4.4.2 (original lucid), then 4.4.5 and now 4.5.0 to no avail
[20:03] <scheuri> James147: yes, it is installed...
[20:04] <scheuri> James147: and I can choose (in contact and calendar) the google source
[20:04] <James147> scheuri: dose it give an error, just tryed it and it seems to have worked
[20:05] <scheuri> James147: really??? aarrr...well, no error...it just accepts my entry, however, when I check back it says "invalid password"
[20:05] <scheuri> James147: I actually changed the passwort to a really simple one...;)
[20:06] <James147> scheuri: are you using your full email in the username field?
[20:06] <James147> (because I dident)
[20:06] <scheuri> James147: no, I dont...
[20:06] <scheuri> James147: only the stuff in fron of the @
[20:06] <scheuri> James147: as it says when entering the username/pw
[20:06] <James147> yeah.. it now says ready here :s
[20:07] <scheuri> James147: hmmm....let me check if I find the config file for that
[20:08] <scheuri> James147: there isnt a way to restart akonadi, is there?
[20:08] <James147> although, its not appearing in kontact
[20:08] <James147> i think there ius
[20:09] <James147> scheuri: you can vida "Akonadi server configureation" (found it via alt+f2)
[20:10] <scheuri> James147: uhmm...I am using Gnome at the moment (only using kmail and kontact)
[20:11] <James147> :S
[20:11] <scheuri> James147: found the system settings from KDE, however, akonadi is not listed
[20:12] <skafti> completly froze
[20:12] <James147> scheuri: wasnt in system settings...
[20:12] <gnomefreak> what is akonadi?
[20:12] <skafti> There are broken dependecies on your system. Please use an advanced package manage e.g. Synaptic or aptitude to resolve this situation.There are broken dependecies on your system. Please use an advanced package manage e.g. Synaptic or aptitude to resolve this situation.
[20:13] <maco> gnomefreak: data server
[20:13] <gnomefreak> maco: thanks
[20:13] <maco> so far holds contact stuff and i think file indexy stuff. new version of kmail would use it too but isnt stable enough to be shipped in 10.10 yet
[20:13] <James147> gnomefreak: akonadi is the kde resource magment... thing... it handels calendars/contacts and other pim data so that multiple applications can use the same data
[20:14] <scheuri> gnomefreak: well, actually it is supposed to...;)
[20:15] <scheuri> James147: ah nooooo...now kontact is not starting up...kmail does however
[20:15] <gnomefreak> ah
[20:15] <James147> :(
[20:16] <scheuri> James147: sorry, the process had to be...killed -9
[20:17] <scheuri> James147: aaahhahahahah...it says ready now
[20:17] <scheuri> James147: I had to use a mysql command to (likely) make the DB for akonadi
[20:17] <James147> :S
[20:17] <scheuri> James147: it says ready...but I cant see my stuff...;)...guess the same as with you
[20:18] <James147> yeah,
[20:18] <skafti> do i have to install htop ?
[20:18] <scheuri> James147: a pity....thought I could finally get my android smartphone - web - desktop to work with contacts and calendar
[20:19] <James147> ooo, got my contacts
[20:19] <scheuri> James147: thing is...with evolution it does not work either...
[20:19] <James147> :D
[20:19] <scheuri> hehhehe
[20:20] <James147> cant get the calendar to show up though
[20:20] <scheuri> me neither...syncing does not help either
[20:20] <scheuri> how did you make the contacts show up? did they just show up=
[20:20] <James147> scheuri: are you able to get the contacts to show up
[20:21] <scheuri> James147: no, they dont...I just see one address book and that is the local one
[20:21] <James147> went to the contacts page, deleted all teh resources from there, rightclicked the address books panel and add address book...
[20:22] <scheuri> James147: it appears it does not even add google contacts as address book
[20:22] <James147> added a google contacts resource and then ticked the address book
[20:22] <scheuri> James147: with ressources you mean the address books, right?
[20:22] <James147> yeah
[20:23] <MrUnagi> i am on the live cd trying to create an hfs+ partition with gparted but it is greyed out, any ideas?
[20:23] <scheuri> James147: ah, back to square one...it says "invalid password" again
[20:23] <James147> scheuri: :S mine hasnt done that yet
[20:24] <scheuri> James147: *sighs*....
[20:24] <James147> scheuri: are there any funny characters in the password?
[20:24] <scheuri> James147: guess that seems to be a lost battle...
[20:24] <scheuri> James147: no, not at all...its a very simple one...
[20:25] <scheuri> James147: I wish there were, so I would have had an idea where to start looking...;)
[20:25] <James147> scheuri: not sure what to do then sorry
[20:25] <scheuri> James147: thanks a lot for your help though...at least I am not the only one with that problem
[20:26] <James147> scheuri: actually, do you send mail as *@gmail.com or *@googlemail.com?
[20:26] <scheuri> James147: @gmail.com
[20:27] <James147> scheuri: wonder what happens if you change that to googlemail.com  (what mine is atm)
[20:27] <mkrista> hi everyone, I upgraded KDE to 4.5 and after the install I log in and just get default blue screen with nutten there , no menu's anything, I tryed to do a aptitude install kubuntu-desktop but it wants to downgrade . even renamed my .kde but didnt help . can anybody help thank's
[20:28] <James147> mkrista: 64 bit?
[20:28] <mkrista> yes
[20:28] <James147> mkrista: yeah... they havnt finished that yet
[20:28] <James147> mkrista:  need to wait while then upgrade again
[20:28] <scheuri> James147: after restarting akonadi it says "ready" for me...I guess there is a lot to do here
[20:28] <James147> ^^ install kubuntu-desktop again i mean
[20:29] <mkrista> ok thanks
[20:29] <scheuri> James147: didnt know that...I am on 64bit as well...;)...well then...I just wait and update once in a while to make sure
[20:29] <scheuri> thanks a lot
[20:30] <mkrista> guess I'll take the downgrade
[20:30] <James147> mkrista: I would remove the ppa before you try a downgrade...
[20:33] <mkrista> crap I didnt think about that
[20:33] <mkrista> hi everyone, I upgraded KDE to 4.5 and after the install I log in and just get default blue screen with nutten there , no menu's anything, I tryed to do a aptitude install kubuntu-desktop but it wants to downgrade . even renamed my .kde but didnt help . can anybody help thank's;0
[20:33] <mkrista> opps
[20:33] <mkrista> sorry
[20:40] <BluesKaj> hmm, kde update to 4.5 worked but the theme looks like something from edgy or thereabouts , and the lost and found in system settings has 30 settings :)
[20:42] <James147> BluesKaj: :S well that aint right
[20:46] <BluesKaj> James147, it's holding together so far , so I'll go along for now and wait for more fixes in the ppa
[20:46] <BluesKaj> brb
[20:56]  * BluesKaj wonders if Riddell's kde4.5 ppa has a verifiable public key , it's not a biggie tho :)
[20:57] <James147> BluesKaj: why not switch to the offical ones now?
[21:00] <BluesKaj> official ones ? got a url or key , James147 ?
[21:00] <James147> BluesKaj: the backports one in topic
[21:00] <BluesKaj> oops :)
[21:01] <James147> BluesKaj: although not yet if your on a 64bit
[21:01] <AndreS__> Stupid question: According to http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45 I can upgrade to KDE 4.5 by adding ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports to my sources. I did that, but no KDE 4.5 upgrade appears. I use Kubuntu 10.04
[21:01] <BluesKaj> 32bit here
[21:02] <AndreS__> Ah... Problably problem is that I am on 64 bits. Sorry for the noise!
[21:02] <James147> AndreS__: run "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade"   I would advise agienst it for now if you ahve a 64bit computer
[21:02] <James147> ^^ run the 64bit version of kubuntu at least
[21:03] <AndreS__> james147: thanks, I'll hang on for a little longer then.
[21:03] <AndreS__> Pitty the announcement doesn't mention the difference.
[21:03]  * James147 wonders why his 64bit upgraded without an issue :S
[21:03] <James147> AndreS__: yeah... not sure why the 64bit is taking so long
[21:05] <mweijts> actual 64bit update Kubuntu breaks KDE, can't start KDE anymore
[21:05] <AndreS__> That it takes a bit longer if fine, that the announcement doesn't mention that the 64 bits version isn't complete yet is less fine. It made me seek help to figure out what's going on...
[21:05] <AndreS__> I guess I will just wait until it appears in my updates.
[21:05] <AndreS__> Thanks!
[21:06] <DarthFrog> Woo hoo!!  System Settings in KDE 4.5 allows enabling Ctl-Alt-Backspace. :-)
[21:07]  * James147 dosnt mind the new shortcut for that ^^
[21:09] <contrast> Greets, everyone... I just started to update to KDE 4.5 and saw a reasonably lengthy list of packages will be removed (http://pastebin.ca/1914663). Should I be safe to upgrade, or is there a problem?
[21:10] <James147> contrast: 64bit?
[21:10] <contrast> Nope, 32.
[21:10] <James147> hmm
[21:10] <contrast> James147: You've already upgraded w/o issue?
[21:11] <James147> did it yesterday...
[21:11] <James147> contrast: dont remove those packages :S
[21:11] <contrast> :'(
[21:11] <James147> contrast: do you get the same if you run "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade"?
[21:13] <contrast> Actually looks a bit worse (e.g., kde-window-manager will be removed). Want to see the output?
[21:13] <James147> nah, just dont do it :)
[21:13] <James147> ... didnt think the 32bit ones had that issue
[21:13] <contrast> Hrmm... Well, I've been looking forward to 4.5 for a good while. Any idea how I might fix this?
[21:14] <contrast> I'm considering putting Maverick on my laptop to see if it's ready for my desktop yet, if that's what I have to do to get 4.5.
[21:15] <maco> 4.5 is in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[21:15] <maco> you have to use sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:15] <contrast> maco: I know. See above. :)
[21:15] <maco> aptitude isnt resolving properly for this
[21:15] <contrast> I always use apt-get du
[21:15] <James147> contrast: they broke xorg just yesterday on maverick, dont think its ready jsut yet for production use
[21:15] <contrast> Damn...
[21:16] <contrast> ::throws temper tantrum::
[21:16] <contrast> :P
[21:16] <contrast> I want my shiny new KDE nooooow
[21:16] <mkrista> me 2
[21:17] <maco> contrast: oh that list of packages is fine
[21:17] <maco> contrast: note that there are "new packages" that are the same names as those *4 packages that are being removed, except they're *4a
[21:17]  * James147 rereads the list
[21:17] <maco> contrast: and those others in the remove list are cases of old metapackages being renamed
[21:18] <contrast> maco: What about kde-window-manager being held back?
[21:18] <contrast> Should it be upgradable once the other ones get upgraded, I guess?
[21:18] <maco> contrast: that just means that one's not being upgraded. there's something still building i think, so makes sense
[21:19] <contrast> Ahh... That's comforting then.
[21:19] <BluesKaj> James147, added the backports ppa to the sources.list , does it replace vorian-launchpad repos ?
[21:20] <contrast> whoa
[21:20] <maco> contrast: i had the same freakout a week ago when i upgraded to RC ;-)
[21:20] <contrast> maco: You missed KTorrent. There's no replacement for that.
[21:21] <maco> hmm dunno about that one. aptitude why-not ktorrent ?
[21:21] <James147> BluesKaj: I think so :) I removed the ppa we where given yesterday and everything is fine
[21:22] <contrast> Unable to find a reason
[21:22] <contrast> apt-cache policy shows the newer version as the candidate
[21:23] <contrast> I'm going ahead and doing it on the laptop. If it breaks, no biggie. Thanks for the help, guys. You'll probably see me back in here later. Peace out.
[22:03] <gorgonzola> hello all! i need help, kde doesn't start after upgrading to 4.5 from 4.5 rc2 halp?
[22:03] <pvandewyngaerde> is that on lucid or maverick ?
[22:03] <gorgonzola> lucid
[22:04] <gorgonzola> and it's not user related, a clean user has the same problem. ie, the screen does not show the progress box after login, then it goes black and shows the cursor, but plasma stays that way :S
[22:05] <gorgonzola> s/plasma//
[22:05] <gorgonzola> is there a way of enabling a more verbose logging to kdm.log?
[22:07] <Roey> hello
[22:08] <Roey> I can play sound when I'm out of X, but once I have KDE running I can't seem to play sound at all... what gives??  I tried fuser -v /dev/snd/* and see that either timidity or knotify4 has those files open
[22:09] <Makuseru> Im having problems with the HDMI out on my HP G60. It has an Nvidia 8200M and im using Ubuntu 10.04. The Nvidia settings sees the tv, i can configure it and everything, it even acts like its there, if i move the mouse to the right (where the tv would be) the pointer goes off the screen like there actually is a monitor there. But the tv just says "no input" the nvidia settings also says "screens: 1" even though it shows both
[22:09] <Makuseru> screens as being avaliable. Why is this happening? How can i fix it?
[22:10] <James147> gorgonzola: are you on 64bit?
[22:13] <gorgonzola> ok, now i'm pissed. I don't know where do i have to got to complain about kubuntu-backports, but the KDE sc 4.5 packaging is seriously borked.
[22:14] <gorgonzola> kdebase-workspace-bin depends on kdebase-workspace-data blablabla.1, but the one in the repos is .2 wtf?
[22:14] <mweijts> gorgonzola:  KDE is here also complete damaged i cant select KDE from login screen
[22:15] <gorgonzola> mweitjs, sounds like a diff issu, but i wouldn't know as i don't have any other DE... only thing i know, is that i'm missing all kdebase-workspace pkgs.
[22:16] <gorgonzola> mweijts, are you trying to use the new KDE 4.5? beacause until today's updgrade, everything worked fine here...
[22:16] <gorgonzola> James147: YES, sorry, didn't see your message. Is there a known problem on amd64?
[22:17] <James147> gorgonzola: read topic ^^
[22:17] <mweijts> yes i update 2 hrs ago and after that it complete messed uo on amd64
[22:17] <Roey> I can play sound when I'm out of X, but once I have KDE running I can't seem to play sound at all... what gives??  I tried fuser -v /dev/snd/* and see that either timidity or knotify4 has those files open
[22:17] <gorgonzola> James147: oh. i see.
[22:18] <gorgonzola> James147: guess i'll have to wait for the builds to finish. thanks.
[22:18] <gorgonzola> mweijts: we got the same problem. I guess packages for 64bit are not yet all built...
[22:19] <mweijts> kdebase-workspace-bin: Depends: kdebase-workspace-data (= 4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1) but 4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 is to be installed
[22:19] <mweijts> E: Broken packages
[22:20] <gorgonzola> mweijts: yes, as James said, the topic mentions that amd64 packages are "still in process"
[22:20] <gorgonzola> mweijts: we'll have to wait until they finish building. It's easier than trying to rollbak the update :S
[22:21] <thechris> Does anyone know how to install libstdc++.so.5?
[22:22] <mweijts> James147: amd64 still in progress, why the put all other packages on the ppa when dependency's brakes everything ?
[22:22] <James147> mweijts: ask Riddell
[22:24] <mweijts> James147:  i"ll wait until they finish the building, still have gnome/XFCE on this machine
[22:25] <Riddell> amd64 should be fine now
[22:25] <Riddell> mweijts: ^^
[22:25] <Roey> hey Jonathan!
[22:25] <Riddell> hi Roey baby
[22:25] <Roey> hola
[22:25] <Roey> got a quick question about
[22:25] <Roey> the sound context:
[22:25] <Roey> I can play sound when I'm out of X, but once I have KDE running I can't seem to play sound at all... what gives??  I tried fuser -v /dev/snd/* and see that either timidity or knotify4 has those files open
[22:26] <FloodBotK1> Roey: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:26] <Roey> ok
[22:32] <debfx> thechris: I can point you to a package in around half an hour
[22:37] <phant0ml0rd> hi. is the place to ask about problems due ot upgrading to KDE4.5 from the PPA ?
[22:37] <James147> phant0ml0rd: what problems?
[22:38] <phant0ml0rd> I just upgraded to KDE 4.5 and I cant install kdevelop, due to the package depending on a library that got renamed in 4.5
[22:39] <James147> Riddell: ^^
[22:39] <Roey> hmm.  Can anyone help me with that sound issue above?
[22:39] <phant0ml0rd> the package that got renamed was called libprocessui4 but got renamed to libprocessui4a, but the dependency was not changed for kdevelop
[22:40] <Riddell> hmm, seems amd64 is actually not done yet :(
[22:40] <parsa> سلام کسی هست؟
[22:40] <maco> !ar | parsa
[22:40] <maco> !sa
[22:40] <ubuntu> youtube
[22:41] <Riddell> Roey: are you using 10.04?
[22:41] <Riddell> phant0ml0rd: yes I'm afraid kdevelop is still being packaged
[22:42]  * maco gives Riddell a Super Duper Helper gold star
[22:42] <parsa> wath is better messenger for yahoo?
[22:42] <Roey> Riddell:  yes
[22:42] <phant0ml0rd> ridell:ah ok, i guess vim for now then :) ... thanks
[22:42] <mofux> hi, after upgrading to 4.5 kdm ist not listing KDE as session anymore... what can i do to get it back?
[22:42] <mofux> can only start gnome now
[22:42] <Roey> Riddell:  er, lucid actually
[22:42] <mofux> 4.5 is installed correctly i think
[22:43] <maco> Riddell: 10.04 == lucid
[22:43] <Riddell> Roey: do you have pulseaudio running?
[22:43] <Roey> I did 'ps aux | grep pulse' but found nothing
[22:43] <Roey> (had suspected this)
[22:43] <Riddell> mofux: do you have  /usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop ?
[22:43] <mofux> Riddell: ys
[22:44] <Riddell> mofux: do you have /usr/bin/startkde ?
[22:44] <mofux> Riddell: nope
[22:44] <mofux> :-/
[22:45] <Riddell> mofux: there's the rub
[22:45] <mofux> Riddell: start_embedded, start-pulseaudio-x11, startx
[22:46] <Roey> hola maco :)
[22:46] <maco> Roey: does it work if you use pulse?
[22:46] <mofux> Riddell: is there a package i can reinstall to get this fixed?
[22:46] <Roey> maco:  I'm not sure it's running.  What's pulseadio's process name?
[22:46] <Riddell> mofux: make sure kdebase-workspace-bin  and preferably kubuntu-desktop are installed
[22:46] <maco> Riddell: oops! sorry about the lucid thing to you. tab fail :P
[22:46] <maco> Roey: should just be pulseaudio i think
[22:46] <maco> Roey: run start-pulseaudio-x11
[22:46] <Roey> maco:  and I can't even play music with mpg123 at a tty while X/KDE is operating!
[22:47] <maco> Roey: mmmm you're making me wonder about a possibility of a bug in ConsoleKit
[22:47] <bedheadfred> oy, "amd64 still in progress" i wish i had seen that about 15 minutes ago
[22:47] <maco> but then im not even sure whether CK handles sound switching between X & TTY without pulse
[22:48] <mofux> Riddell: unmet dependencies for kdebase-workspace-bin
[22:48] <mofux> :(
[22:48] <mofux> kdebase-workspace-data
[22:48] <bedheadfred> mofux, yeah me too
[22:48] <Roey> maco:  I installed the pulseaudio package.  Now I don't hear /any/ sound (it worked ont he headphones jack but not from the digital coax output)
[22:48] <mofux> kdebase-workspace-data (= 4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1) but 4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 is to be installed
[22:48] <maco> boo
[22:49] <maco> digital coax... do you mean spdif?
[22:49] <Roey> right
[22:49] <Roey> I can play sound fine before I get into X (with mpg123)
[22:49] <maco> did it work at any point in the past?
[22:49] <Roey> yes
[22:49] <maco> or is this your first time trying spdif?
[22:49] <maco> ok
[22:50] <maco> and what changed between then and now?
[22:50] <maco> new kde or new kernel or ... ?
[22:50] <Roey> ??shrug??
[22:50] <Roey> oh, new kernel definitely
[22:50] <maco> try old kenel
[22:50] <maco> *kernel
[22:50] <maco> if spdif isnt working and regular sound is, that sounds like you hit a regression in a sound driver
[22:50] <Roey> what is it about X that makes spdif stop working though?
[22:50] <maco> hmm? oh spdif works in tty?
[22:50] <maco> dang
[22:50] <Roey> again:  without X running, mpg123 plays on the spdif fine
[22:51] <bedheadfred> is there an ETA for the amd64 repo?
[22:51]  * maco pouts
[22:51] <Roey> when X runs, I can't play it at all (except for the headphone jack)
[22:51] <Riddell> mofux: are you on amd64?
[22:52] <mofux> Riddell: yes, i think so
[22:52] <Riddell> mm, sorry about that, it's still compiling
[22:52] <Riddell> wait 40 minutes
[22:52] <mofux> oh
[22:52] <mofux> ok
[22:55] <bedheadfred> "still compiling"? I've heard that one before: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/compiling.png
[22:56] <mamefan> Starting recenly (sometime after updating to lucic) tab-autocomplete completely locks my konsole for about 30 seconds (but only once).  Can anyone help?
[22:56] <maco> Roey: what happens if you run "sudo alsa force-reload" ?
[22:58] <Roey> er
[22:58] <Roey> I mean I have no difference trying mpg123
[22:58] <Roey> same thing:  I hear nothing
[22:59] <Roey> maco:  only that now after installing the pulseadio pacakge I hear nothing from the headphone jack when I do 'mpg123'
[23:00] <maco> Roey: mm ok. well you can remove it again then. though possibly if you went to sound settings and put it at the top of the list instead of the default bottom (which just plain doesnt work) itd make sound
[23:02] <BluesKaj> Roey, is pcm turned up in alsamixer?
[23:03] <Roey> BluesKaj:  yes
[23:04] <Roey> hey!
[23:04] <Roey> hey!
[23:04] <Roey> I removed pulseaudio, killed the pulseaudio process and now I have sound.
[23:04] <Roey> BluesKaj, maco: thanks!
[23:04] <maco> Roey: what about spdif?
[23:04] <Roey> (interesting that I had to install pulseaudio then apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio to hear sound)
[23:04] <raven24> what's with kdevelop and ktorrent? they got uninstalled during the update to kde 4.5 packages... is that still in progress or was that a mistake somewhere?
[23:04] <Roey> yes, that works finally
[23:05] <maco> raven24: amd64?
[23:05] <raven24> no
[23:05] <chj> hi, is «kooka» dead? i can't find it in the repositories any more; however i'm still at karmic (9.10)
[23:05] <maco> Roey: that was probably the alsa force-reload then
[23:05] <maco> chj: its only in dapper and hardy
[23:06] <Roey> maco:  question is, will I have to do this upon every reboot??
[23:06] <chj> maco: thanks! what scanner software is kde standard now, then?
[23:06] <maco> raven24: well kdevelop isnt done building
[23:06] <maco> chj: gwenview has scanning built in
[23:06] <raven24> maco: ah thanks for the info
[23:06] <BluesKaj> Roey, you may have a situation which is common with some soundcards , no simultaneous analog and digtal output , you choose one or the other as default
[23:06] <Roey> but that worked fine before
[23:06] <maco> Roey: force-reload simulates what happens on reboot, so you shouldnt
[23:07] <chj> maco: thanks :-)
[23:07] <chj> found it, got it working
[23:07] <chj> many thanks, again :-)
[23:08] <Roey> maco:  ah, gotcha
[23:08] <Roey> because I had tried rebooting before as well.
[23:17] <mamefan> Starting recenly (sometime after updating to lucic) tab-autocomplete completely locks my konsole for about 30 seconds (but only once). Can anyone help?
[23:18] <Roey> maco:  oh hey
[23:18] <Roey> another coupla questions
[23:19] <Roey> I click on a window and it disappears (this is when I have compositing enabled).  I click alt-leftclick and it reappears.  What gives?
[23:19] <Roey> it's an artifact but it's soooo annoying
[23:19] <Roey> also, I have to quintuple-click Pidgin windows quickly or otherwise they don't receive focus.
[23:19] <Roey> maco:  what gives with that, too
[23:19] <Roey> ?
[23:20] <maco> Roey: dunno. artifacts seem common in kde though :(  less common now than a year ago but...
[23:20] <Roey> you know what I'm referring to?
[23:20] <Roey> I have it on my other box at work too (iwth a different processor and graphics card)
[23:20] <maco> im used to pop up notifications not disappearing when they go away
[23:20] <Roey> ah
[23:21] <Roey> why does kde do this?!?!
[23:21] <maco> but my main laptops use xmonad not kwin so no idea on the pidgin thing
[23:21] <Roey> anyway,
[23:21] <Roey> ah
[23:21] <maco> i would say "bug in qt" if i had to guess
[23:21] <Roey> what is so good about xmonad that you use that instead of kwin?
[23:21] <Roey> maco:  aye
[23:21] <maco> i like tiling. kwin just finally got tiling, and it only has one tiling algorithm which isnt the one im used to
[23:22] <Roey> hmm.  I'm using the 4.4.5 ppa and I don't see any tiling in the context menus
[23:22] <maco> 4.5.0
[23:22] <maco> released toda
[23:22] <maco> *today
[23:23] <Roey> I know
[23:23] <Roey> I'm running it
[23:25] <mofux> Riddell: can i check the build status somewhere?
[23:26] <Riddell> mofux: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+build/1912708
[23:26] <mofux> wow, that was fast, thanks Riddell
[23:29] <hellslinger> does anyone ever get any strange behavior of GTK apps in KDE like mouse clicks getting "stuck" and accidentally dragging things on a single click? anyone know how to fix that?
[23:40] <DarthFrog> Hmm, krunner no longer seems to do unit conversions (degrees C to F) in 4.5.
[23:46] <James147> DarthFrog: is the plugin still enabled?
[23:47] <DarthFrog> James147: All the plugins are enabled.  I don't know which specific one did unit conversions.
[23:49] <James147> the uinoit convert one
[23:50] <James147> DarthFrog: is it not there?
[23:50] <DarthFrog> I guess it hasn't made it to 4.5 yet.
[23:50] <DarthFrog> Nope.