[00:11] doing a dist-upgrade today ... trying to remove a lot of xserver stuff. should i let it? [00:12] gwhip, not at all [00:12] ok [00:13] will wait [00:15] gwhip: aptitude safe-upgrade is your friend [00:18] anywhere yet with your mkv? [00:21] gave up [00:21] tried to use another laptop via HDMI to tv [00:21] crashed twice [00:21] totem showed chopped images, vlc would not leave pause, mplayer froze [00:22] guess ATI doesn't really like 1080p HDMI === pace_t_zulu_ is now known as pace_t_zulu [01:11] if I did upgrade, when I reboot will crash my X server? [01:20] anything can happen [01:21] tried split with 1, 5 or 10mb file? I can have a look then. [01:25] you will need a 50MBs file to have just one minute [01:25] they are 720p files. [01:25] 50min, 2.1GB [01:26] in any case.... 1:30 am... bed time. talk to you tomorrow :P [01:26] make it a 10mb file, still the same [01:27] even if its 1 second, its 1 second with audio/video I can work with [01:27] ok.. [02:08] So my +1 system won't startup fully - and I can't see why due to bootsplash (plymouth?). [02:08] What is the proper way to disable it now that ubuntu uses grub2 ? [02:12] press shift to get to the menu, it might have to be the left shift key [02:32] That disables grub's splash - but plymouth is still present. I just booted into recover and told it to continue to go from there. [02:33] Turns out the problem was the new xorg server won't work with the nvidia drivers (proprietary - not nouveau) due to a missing symbol. [02:33] Which If I read right is actually fixed in the newest (256.44) series of drivers. [03:17] Argh, can't install compiz updates without losing compiz-fusion-plugins-extra. [03:17] compiz-fusion-plugins-extra depends upon compiz-core-abiversion-20090619 [03:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz-fusion-plugins-extra/+bug/613023 [03:19] Launchpad bug 613023 in compiz-fusion-plugins-extra (Ubuntu) "compiz-fusion-plugins-extra upgrade conflicts with compiz" [Undecided,Confirmed] [03:33] hello everyone [03:34] have some problem upgrading to 10.10 rc3 [03:34] http://paste.ubuntu.com/475716/ [03:39] high-rez: so what's the solution ? get the new drivers or use nouveau vesa etc ? [03:39] or sit out this mess? [03:41] When trying to upgrade to maverick, I get this: E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. [03:41] What should I do? [03:43] upgrade from what ? [03:43] lucid. [03:43] i forgot to mention that, sorry :p [03:43] is your lucid up to date ? [03:44] yes. [03:44] and how do you start upgrade ? [03:45] sudo update-manager -d [03:45] I suggest you sit out a day or two [03:46] what would that do? [03:46] change the packages around [03:47] Volkodav: I've moved to nouveau for the moment. [03:47] did you reboot high-rez ? [03:48] nope [03:49] i just unloaded the nvidia module (rmmod nvidia) and changed xorg.conf to use nouveau instead of nvidia [03:49] that was it. [03:49] I can't afford nouveau I am sure if it supports dual head at my res [03:49] why did you do that though ? [03:49] Cause installing 256.44 from source mucks things up. [03:49] It doesn't work well with ubuntu's alternatives system [03:49] getting yourselg ready for ther mess ? [03:49] never did [03:50] Jeah [03:50] get the nvidia driver back and run the box till they fix it big deal [03:50] I suppose I coudl just manually replace the files, but I'm a bit lazy for all that. [03:50] modprobe nvidia (back!) lol [03:51] I am even lazier - I removed the xorg and I know nothing happens till reboot - whick may happen by New year ! lolz [03:53] or until another abi change in udev mucks everything up (i can't believe how much udev changes... constantly) [04:03] high-rez: want to reboot and see what's up ? [04:23] hi [04:23] anyone has tried to install alpha 3 netbook edition? [04:24] nope. [04:37] hmm... /me wonders if it is better to try an upgrade than to try a fresh install with the iso [04:37] which seems to not be working at the time === SolidLiq is now known as solid_liq [04:54] any workaround to problem in xorg? === andregondim_ is now known as Andre_Gondim [05:29] I cannot adjust the brightness (through Fn keys or brightness applet) although pressing Fn keys does show the notification slider. Any ideas? [05:34] Is there a netbook release out for the newest 10.10 yet ? ? [05:59] ok, found a workaround [06:38] argh, well, fglrx is dead. [06:38] And g-p-m crashes with Radeon. [06:41] http://pastebin.com/ezGfjSJZ [06:47] ah, time to pin LP-PPA-xorg-edgers at really high priority. [06:55] AAaaah, back to fglrx, and quiet. [06:56] Less fan noise. [07:19] hey guys can anyone help? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9700949#post9700949 [07:19] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1549469 [07:21] ? [08:33] one use "kde news" plasmoid? I get this weird scrolling bug [08:34] any time i move my mouse over it (without giving focus), the window scrolls [08:36] a bit distracting initially and annoying after a while [08:37] 794 mb memory usage for indicator-applet [08:38] 794.8 [08:42] that's a bit much [08:43] 795.2 [08:43] must be leaking memory [08:43] yip [08:43] every time rhythmbox advances a song it goes +0.75 [08:44] might be leaking the song meta data [08:44] i think it's related to notifications [08:45] with pidgin notifs it goes up by ~0.1 mb (maybe a little less) [08:45] danag, you got fglrx to work?! [08:46] 808.3 [08:47] restarting the indicator applet might bring the total back down [08:47] alakhia: yeah. but i want to see how high it goes :D [08:48] sure ... but swapping won't be fun unless you like seeing redraws in slow motion [08:49] memory is currently 88% (+5% cache) [08:49] 273 mb swapped [08:49] firefox also taking ~1 gb at the moment [08:50] but that's not unusual for firefox xD [08:50] 809.8 [08:54] 815.8 [08:56] It'll just go up till your oom killer kicks in knittl [08:58] Ian_corne: it's fun :D (816.5) === om26er_ is now known as om26er [09:40] !find libgmp.so.10 [09:40] Package/file libgmp.so.10 does not exist in maverick [10:34] I copied fonts from XP, and run sudo fc-cache -fv,then firefox can not display most web page correctly [10:37] wzssyqa: you should use msttcorefonts instead of just copying around ... [10:37] TheInfinity: before, i can do this . Is there something change in 10.10? [10:38] don't think so, but i did not try out [10:58] TheInfinity: haha, i know now, i have not make it readable for user === gord_ is now known as gord === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:24] nvidia driver in maverick - undefined symbol WindowTable [11:41] are there any reports about ath5k not working in 2.6.35-14 ? [12:15] hello yester day got crash on updates https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/615577 now cant start computer [12:15] 'Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized\nResponse headers:\n---\ncontent-length: 21\ncontent-type: text/plain\ndate: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:15:07 GMT\nserver: zope.server.http (HTTP)\nstatus: 401\nvary: Accept-Encoding\nvia: 1.1 wildcard.edge.launchpad.net\nx-powered-by: Zope (www.zope.org), Python (www.python.org)\n---\nResponse body:\n---\nBug 615577 is private\n---\n (https://launchpad.net/bugs/615577)' [12:16] comp doesnt start on any kernel. now im in recovery mode and pressed start [12:22] bug 615577 [12:22] Bug 615577 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/615577 is private [12:25] xserver upgrade is about to go dowwn [12:39] cant start comp adter upgrade 14h ago [12:41] at least not in normal mode any kernel not working. only recovery mode works. [12:43] kangarooo: are you sure you still have all the xorg packages? [12:43] or did you do a dist-upgrade in the last 24 hours [12:44] DrHalan: i did 14 h ago sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [12:45] while upgrading got crsh bug 615577 witch i reported then restarted and comp loads Xubuntu logo then stops thinking and shows nothing new. ctrl+alt+del works to restart. now im in recovery mode [12:45] Bug 615577 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/615577 is private [12:45] how to check if i have xorg packages? [12:45] i installed aptitude that will help easyr to search yes? [12:48] DrHalan: i did update and distupgrade. [12:49] ill try doinn that again [12:53] what means on running update terminal shows. its recomended to run defoma-app purge libwmf0.2-7 [12:54] s/update/d-upgrade [13:01] kangarooo: you shouldn't do that today [13:02] you maybe don't have xserver-xorg installed anymore [13:02] DrHalan: Is there a known issue? [13:02] how to check that in terminal? i got tty1 from recovery mode [13:03] the xserver is upgraded to 1.9 [13:03] i takes some time until the dependencies are fine again [13:03] Oh, so normal dependency hell? [13:03] during that time you should only do upgrade because it will hold the broken packages back [13:03] yap [13:03] /dev/audio0 missing in 10.10 pls help [13:04] if i'd do dist-upgrade te following packages would be removed on my machine: xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-video-apm xserver-xorg-video-chips [13:06] kangarooo: do apt-get update / apt-get dist-upgrade and look if it wants to remove some packages [13:07] no now it doesnt want. i did that 10min ago and it installed 15packages and also gave info its recomended to run defoma-app purge libwmf0.2-7 [13:08] now i did aptitude search xserver-xorg-video-all and got output p xserver-xorg-video-all .. what means p ? installed or not? [13:09] DrHalan: all 3 ur menationed packages shows p and not i (installed) so yeah they somhow removed themselfes [13:13] now checked dpkg-query --show | less and installed xserver- common xorg xorg-core video-intel video-openchrome video-radeon ( but i dont have radeon why then its intalled? i have nvidia) thats all from xserver [13:14] Ive noticed the total absense of /dev/audio0 and /dev/audio1 on my machine at 10.10 (was there in 10.04) [13:15] but can see the cards in 'sound recorder' [13:24] kangarooo: the easiest thing for you is to justwait until the dependencies are fixed [13:24] and then you do apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all [13:32] hello everyone [13:32] i just now upgraded to 10.10 rc3 [13:32] rc3? [13:32] you mean alpha [13:32] i have trouble with the nvidia driver [13:33] phoenix__: whats the problem? works fine here [13:33] the one with kde 4.5 [13:33] after the upgrade i am not able to start the xserver [13:33] how did you upgrade [13:34] do-release-upgrade -d [13:34] uh [13:34] thenyour xserver is broken [13:34] because maverick is moveing form 1.8 to 1.9 at the moment [13:34] best you wait for a day and then do a dist-upgrade [13:35] can i reinstall xserver [13:35] mh i don't konw [13:36] try sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all [13:36] can i try reconfiguring xserver [13:38] phoenix__: the packages are just broken. in general before upgradeing you should come into this channel and ask if its a good moment to upgrade [13:38] right now you just have to wait [13:39] ok. is there a way to increse the display resolution in failsafe mode [13:42] DrHalan: ok. is there a way to increse the display resolution in failsafe mode [13:43] i have no idea [13:44] ok.thank you [13:44] bye [13:57] So what do we do with nvidia now ? update-alternatives: warning: forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf because link group gl_conf is broken. [13:58] abandon ship! [14:00] mh i don't even know if nvidida-current works with xorg 1.9 [14:50] the final release of new ubuntu [14:50] i mean 10.10 [14:51] how stable is 10.10 [14:53] DrHalan: when will the upgrade to 10.10 available [14:54] phoenix__, the target date for maverick meerkat / 10.10 is 10.10.2010 [14:55] phoenix__, i believe have missed the point of the question [14:56] the one with kde 4.5 rc3 [14:56] DrHalan, it looks like it does not - undefined symbol Xorg.1.log:[ 25.017] dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules/nvidia_drv.so: undefined symbol: WindowTable [14:59] phoenix__: it's now 4.5 [15:01] KukuNut: what is the current version of kubuntu [15:01] phoenix__: stable 10.04 development 10.10 [15:02] can u tell the dev sub version [15:02] phoenix__: KDE is now 4.5 final in both version [15:03] KukuNut: i upgraded to 10.10 [15:04] KukuNut: i have some problem with xserver.dr halan said my xserver is broken and said i should have waited till the next upgrade [15:06] phoenix__: if you used aptitude you should have been ok [15:06] i used do-release-upgrade -d command [15:07] aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade [15:08] apt-get will remove the xserver* [15:08] KukuNut: i wanted to upgrade to this version, thats why i uded that command [15:09] KukuNut: is there a way to fix the problem [15:09] They both may suggest to remove the xserver, you should always be wary when doing upgrading when running the development release. [15:10] phoenix__: there is but imo it's not worth it vs new install [15:12] Pici: in this case aptitude was safe. apt-get wants to remove them [15:13] Pici: phoenix__looks like the xorg-*-abi* are missing [15:13] KukuNut: do you want to see my xorg log [15:13] phoenix__: no [15:13] KukuNut: ok [15:15] phoenix__: if do-release-upgrade used apt-get then they were removed so right now you have no X? [15:15] KukuNut: this is the error message "This server has a video driver ABI version of 8.0 that this driver does not officially support" [15:15] KukuNut: i am able to start xserver in failsafe mode [15:16] phoenix__: bec I just said above they are not ready/,missing [15:16] Both apt-get and aptitude will warn you before they try to remove packages, it doesn't matter which one you use. [15:17] KukuNut: sorry i couldnt get you [15:17] Pici: i'm not arguing that. all i'm saying is for this case aptitude didn't say anything about it [15:17] Pici: what might have went wrong in the upgrade [15:17] phoenix__: You didn't watch to see that it was suggesting to remove packages that you needed. [15:18] Pici: i watched the entire process, i felt that it was safe to proceed to a newer version [15:19] Pici: do you mean that the xserver is broken ? [15:20] phoenix__: The package dependencies are currently broken, yes. [15:20] Pici: its working fine without the nvidia driver [15:22] DrHalan: i just installed that now and all is fine. comp starts [17:03] Need help, not able boot past boot splash "Ubuntu ......" screen after update from yesterday, new update does not fix issue, I can boot using failsafe mode [17:11] Need help, not able boot past boot splash "Ubuntu ......" screen after update from yesterday, new update does not fix issue, I can boot using failsafe mode [17:22] so, as a result of the last update, the nvidia binary driver stopped working [17:22] these have been interesting times :) [17:22] Is anyone able to give help I really need help, not able boot past boot splash "Ubuntu ......" screen after update from yesterday, new update does not fix issue, I can boot using failsafe mode [17:23] ior3k: sorry did not see your post so how can I get it to work again? [17:23] Spirits-Sight: have you tried booting after removing "quiet splash" to see what is blocking it? [17:23] the only driver that works for me [17:23] right now is nv [17:23] not even nouveau works [17:23] but that's old too [17:24] 2009something [17:25] btw, for anyone interested [17:25] http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=152439 [17:26] http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.freedesktop.xorg/43902 [17:26] charlie-tca: how do I do this quiet splash? [17:27] ior3k: i got mine fixed by issuing ignoreABI for X [17:27] hold shift while starting, then edit the menu line using "e". After removing them, use "Ctrl+x" to boot. It is a one time edit [17:28] hey guys... I had noticed on ubuntu forums a call for new sounds for lucid ...apparenlty that didnt get done :) are new sounds being called out for maverick? [17:28] KukuNut: oh, interesting [17:28] KukuNut: thanks [17:29] ior3k: in xorg.conf add if not there ServerFlags section [17:29] then Option "ignoreABI" "on" [17:29] OK be back [17:29] KukuNut: thanks again [17:31] ior3k: np [17:59] OK I got my system to boot pass the boot screen now, I remove both of the drivers that are listed in the hardware driver for the nVivda card and restarted [18:00] now I am wondering how to get my gnome-shell to work again as its has not been working for over two weeks [18:01] if I select gnome 3 session it does not display the menus or any thing but the icons on the desktop??? thanks for the assistance [18:46] now I am wondering how to get my gnome-shell to work again as its has not been working for over two weeks, if I select gnome 3 session it does not display the menus or any thing but the icons on the desktop??? thanks for the assistance [18:47] * charlie-tca doesn't know how to fix gnome-shell. He uses Xubuntu [18:50] wth, aptitude safe-upgrade just failed me.... [18:50] Current status: 448 updates [+399], 34 new [+1]. [18:50] Resolving dependencies... [18:50] Unable to resolve dependencies for the upgrade: no solution found. [18:50] Unable to safely resolve dependencies, try running with --full-resolver. [18:50] thanks :-) have nice day/night! [18:50] lol yofel [18:51] try synaptic [18:51] I've found it to be better :) [18:51] well, it's thanks to Xorg, I'll see what muon does ^^ [18:52] I'm able to update just fine btw [19:01] hm, muon works fine, wants to remove a few x packages obviously... [19:02] and why the hell does it want to install 'sysvutils' (transitional package) o.O [19:03] actually it wants to install 3 transitional packages.... [19:06] Hello, I just finished an update and when I login I just get the purple background on my netbook. In the cli I try to run mutter and I get the following: mutter: error while loading shared libraries: libgirepository-1.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. That file does exist. Any help would be appreciated!! [19:08] mutter: do you have 'libgirepository1.0-0' installed? use 'apt-cache policy libgirepository1.0-0' to find out [19:08] Yeah it is installed -- Installed: 0.9.3-0ubuntu1 [19:09] ah, I still have 0.6.14-1ubuntu2 here [19:09] hmm [19:09] should I downgrade ? [19:12] maybe, I'm looking for the file... [19:13] packages.ubuntu.com spits out errors for me [19:13] packages.ubuntu.com is broken for maverick. [19:14] Ahh [19:16] ah, library version changed -> /usr/lib/libgirepository-1.0.so.1 [19:18] mutter: mutter (2.31.5-0ubuntu2) was just uploaded to fix this [19:18] ahh cool [19:18] I will keep an look out for it [19:18] Thanks yofel !!! [19:19] you're welcome [19:19] hi, how do I add icons to the left bar on unity? [19:19] anyhelp would be good I get this when trying to start gnome-shell: gnome-shell --replace [19:20] mutter: error while loading shared libraries: libgirepository-1.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [19:20] christopher@wolf-desktop:~$ Cannot register the panel shell: there is already one running. [19:20] /usr/bin/compiz (core) - Fatal: Software rendering detected. [19:20] /usr/bin/compiz (core) - Error: Failed to manage screen: 0 [19:20] /usr/bin/compiz (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0 [19:20] any one else have the system hang at splash screen after today's update? [19:20] Spirits-Sight: wait until mutter 2.31.5-0ubuntu2 is built and published [19:20] Spirits-Sight: I just asked the same question... The mutter package will be updated shortly to correc that. [19:20] should be ready in a few hours (3-4 I think) [19:20] cool [19:21] actually i386 a bit faster [19:21] OK kulight unactivate your restricked drivers and install the nv driver that fix it for me, you can do this by going into the failsafe mode HTH [19:22] kulight: sounds like X failing to start, considering we're just in the xserver 1.8->1.9 transition that's not surprising, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for what happened exactly [19:22] i am on safeX [19:23] kulight: nvidia? [19:24] installing the nv driver is no solution it's avoiding the problem. i guess ill wait for the xserver transition to done [19:24] yofel, yes [19:25] kulight: see if this helps: (the ignore abi option) http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/08/10/%23ubuntu+1.html#t17:29 [19:28] not able to download from the official torrent .. it says the tracker is blocked...... [19:29] yofel, ill be back [20:04] anyone else unable to join chat rooms on aim using pidgin? [20:16] people join aim chat rooms? [20:17] patdk-wk: my people do [20:17] and im trying to advoid using aim rather use pidgin [20:23] hey guys... I had noticed on ubuntu forums a call for new sounds for lucid ...apparenlty that didnt get done :) are new sounds being called out for maverick? [20:25] ther eis a sound channel just cant recall the name of it [20:25] they would be best to ask [20:25] gnomefreak, mm didnt realize there was an ubuntu sound channel [20:26] we have channels for just about everything [20:26] not all are help channels [20:26] gnomefreak, well I am on the community art team ... i dont ever recall sounds being brought up there but let me check with the guys [20:27] * gnomefreak fairly certain there was [20:28] coz_: either way you can take a look at the blue prints to find out [20:28] ok thanks [20:28] coz_: give me a minute ill give you the link [20:29] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick [20:29] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+specs [20:29] ^^ I think [20:29] whats the deal with removing the Daapd pluging in rhythmbox? any ideas? [20:30] PingJocky: could have been replaced by something [20:30] damn the bad luck... thanks gnomefreak! [20:31] why bad luck. if it was replaced by another plugin/app it is still there [20:31] PingJocky: for example you are looking for rhythmbox-plugins package [20:31] PingJocky: it is now in there [20:32] PingJocky: apt-cache show rhythmbox-plugins will tell you what plugins are there [20:37] gnomefreak, ok found the blog for it and the process thanks for the hints :) [20:38] cozziemoto: np i was still looking for the blueprint [20:38] apt-cache looks like daapd is gone... upnp may have replaced it [20:38] got side tracked [20:38] - DAAP Music Sharing << not what you were looking for? [20:38] oh [20:39] wait let me look for it [20:39] gnomefreak: are you looking at tangerine? [20:39] mt-daapd? [20:40] oh, in phythmbox [20:40] yes [20:40] * gnomefreak not seeing anything that says it was removed or replaced [20:40] i was using rhythmbox as a client [20:40] and amarok sees the server fine [20:41] but the plugin is no longer under plugins [20:41] PingJocky: no not tangerine i was looking at rhythmbox-plugins [20:41] ok [20:42] Will coherence do what you want? [20:43] isnt that upnp... i may need to look in to that [20:43] I admit I don't know much about upnp/daap/whatever [20:43] it is upnp [20:43] gah so close yet so far........ i386 build of mutter 2.31.5-0ubuntu2 in ubuntu maverick RELEASE Missing dependencies: libclutter-1.0-dev (>= 1.2.12-0ubuntu4) Build started 1 hour ago and finished 1 hour ago taking eight minutes [20:43] PingJocky: me niether [20:44] 1hr is a good chance it FTBFS [20:44] Candidate: 2.31.5-0ubuntu1 [20:45] for now until it builds thats what you will use. i cant picture much changed in 2 thaqt 1 didnt [20:46] * gnomefreak uses the PPA [20:52] any way of knowing with drivers im running atm [20:52] video [20:53] and it cant be by way of xorg.conf [20:58] gnomefreak: lspci -v ? [20:58] ohh drivers [20:59] lsmod [20:59] ;-) [21:00] ok good it seems vesa is not being used :) yay [21:01] gnomefreak, re: video driver in use - "lspci -vnvn" find the "VGA compatible controller" section and "Kernel driver in use" [21:03] Kernel modules: nvidia-current, nouveau, nvidiafb == not helpful [21:03] it's one line up [21:03] Kernel driver in use: nvidia [21:04] not helpful as i know im not using nvidia-current anymore [21:04] there you go [21:04] ah [21:04] :p [21:04] lsmod should show you all modules in use [21:04] i had to work around a kernel +nvidia breakage and the work around was to rm xorg.conf [21:05] Ian_corne: it is pretty much the same as above [21:05] i take that back [21:06] nouveau is the winner [21:06] it was unsupported with my card a few days ago so it used vesa but seems it is using nouveau once again [21:09] So, I just ran update-manager and now when I log in mutter starts but unity and metacity do not. Anyone no how I can get a normal session to start? Also what package short I report this as a bug for? [21:16] temp15893: xserver is being updated to a new version, and may take a few days to get sorted out. [21:17] perfect now that dont even work :( [21:18] temp15893: The mutter package will be updated shortly to correct that. [21:19] mutter is wating for something atm [21:19] Once it can get its dependency resolved. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/2.31.5-0ubuntu2 [21:19] libclutter-dev [21:19] Yeah [21:28] and silly old me thinking kmail crash at boot would be fixed with a new release :( [21:29] haha, might be because we still have kmail 4.4.5 - kdepim 4.5 is far too unstable yet to be anywhere near release [21:29] opid doesnt work with text browsers it seems [21:29] * gnomefreak cant comment on a bug report without loggin in first [21:30] openid even [21:30] yofel: I can live with it, but its making me MAD [21:30] is a 4 month old bug [21:30] filed and everything [21:30] and not a single comment [21:31] got the bug number? [21:31] not from head [21:31] and don't want to bother to open kmail and see it crash again [21:31]