[00:00] <darran> hi all
[00:01] <darran> can someone mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/gedit/+bug/615506 as triaged please?
[00:01] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 615506 in gedit (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Underscore must be a part of the word (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[00:05] <yofel> darran: which importance?
[00:06] <darran> wishlist or low
[00:08] <yofel> well, decide and give me a reason
[00:08] <drizzle> wishlist
[00:08] <drizzle> it is marked as an enhancement in gnome
[00:09] <drizzle> and it is not part of the product design
[00:09] <drizzle> i was able to use find with underscores
[00:11] <yofel> ok, agreed
[00:12] <drizzle> man
[00:12] <drizzle> the gnome bug hasnt been touched before
[00:12] <drizzle> and it was logged in 2007
[00:12] <micahg> drizzle: enhancements in most open source projects are at the mercy of the developers fancy
[00:13] <drizzle> yes
[00:13] <drizzle> i understand
[00:13] <drizzle> even in private industry
[00:13] <drizzle> depending on management and developer clout
[00:13] <yofel> drizzle: done
[00:13] <drizzle> th
[00:13] <drizzle> x
[00:29] <jfi_> if I hit the volumn keys on my keyboard => it works
[00:29] <jfi_> if I left click the volume indicator, then hit the volumn keys on my keyboard => does not work
[00:29] <jfi_> it is expected?
[00:29] <jfi_> (maverick)
[00:35] <yofel> btw, for those that followed the Debian BTS session in -classroom a while ago and aren't in #debian-ubuntu - a small follow up from Rhonda http://rhonda.deb.at/blog/debian/on-BTS-usage.html
[01:22] <jfi_> An easy one to confirm if someone has volume keys on the keyboard: bug 615622
[01:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615622 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "Cannot change sound volume with keyboard while sound indicator is open (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615622
[01:36] <Cakester> hi friends
[01:36] <Cakester> ?
[01:37] <Cakester> test
[01:37] <Cakester> grr
[01:38] <drosenbe> hi, you're here
[01:38] <Cakester> oh hello.
[01:38] <Cakester> were you expecting me
[01:38] <drosenbe> what were you expecting exactly?  :p
[01:38] <micahg> !test
[01:38] <ubot2> hrm?
[01:38] <Cakester> yes
[01:38] <micahg> !test | Cakester
[01:38] <ubot2> Cakester: please see above
[01:39] <Cakester> !test
[01:39] <ubot2> hrm?
[01:39]  * micahg stops abusing the bot now
[01:39] <Cakester> ok it works
[01:39] <Cakester> so um
[01:39] <Cakester> I wrote a tutorial on getting NASM to compile within Code::Blocks.
[01:40] <drosenbe> orly
[01:41] <Cakester> yes
[01:41] <drosenbe> would you be TimothyTimbers?
[01:43] <Cakester> yeah why
[01:43] <Cakester> ?
[01:43] <drosenbe> just curious, found your tutorial
[01:43] <Cakester> not bad
[01:43] <Cakester> you are good at the google
[01:44] <drosenbe> it's because i'm a h4x0r
[01:44] <Cakester> my user title says that too
[01:44] <Cakester> although more l33t
[01:45] <drosenbe> i actually read it straight from your interwebs
[01:45] <drosenbe> i popped the firewall and dropped in a logic bomb
[01:46] <Cakester> i can use push and pop
[01:46] <drosenbe> whoa
[01:46] <drosenbe> that's crazy talk
[01:46] <Cakester> it amazed me that this is legal mov [eax], ebx
[01:46] <drosenbe> why?
[01:46] <Cakester> because i thought the [   ] could only be on the right
[01:47] <Cakester> for like the past years
[01:47] <drosenbe> nope
[01:47] <Cakester> so sad
[01:47] <drosenbe> that would be rather limiting, don't you think?
[01:47] <Cakester> yeah. was pain in the ass
[01:47] <drosenbe> for example, it might be convenient to:
[01:48] <drosenbe> mov [Cakester], eBEERx
[01:48] <drosenbe> haha, the beer register
[01:48] <drosenbe> moving it to Cakestar's address
[01:48] <drosenbe> *Cakester
[01:49] <Cakester> these ads on facebook say these girls want a boyfriend
[01:49] <drosenbe> i wonder if people know that i'm just goofing off or if they think i'm always this weird
[01:49] <maco> that has nothing to do with debugging
[01:50] <drosenbe> beer?  for some people, beer has everything to do with debugging
[01:50] <Cakester> maco, i need to debug my web browser, or these ads will just keep mysteriously showing up
[01:50] <maco> drosenbe: no, Cakester's thing aobut girls has nothing to do with fixing bugs
[01:50] <drosenbe> ah
[01:50] <drosenbe> stricty on topic, i see
 maco, i need to debug my web browser, or these ads will just keep mysteriously showing up'
[01:50] <maco> adblock plus?
[01:51] <Cakester> does that play well with NS?
[01:51] <drosenbe> sure
[01:52] <Cakester> drosenbe, i think i have seen maco before. not in the bug channel
[01:53] <drosenbe> ok...
[01:53] <drosenbe> and?
[01:53] <Cakester> maco, do you need help with a bug?
[01:53] <maco> no
[01:54] <maco> ive been in this channel 24/7 for about a year
[01:54] <maco> im not triaging right now though
[01:54] <Cakester> maco, that is ageist. sorry
[01:54] <Cakester> what is triaging
[01:54] <IdleOne> Cakester: Please stop harassing maco in every channel you find her in.
[01:54] <drosenbe> oh lord
[01:54] <Cakester> Are we here to take care of bugs or what?
[01:55] <Cakester> here let me take the initiative
[01:55] <IdleOne> Cakester: this behavior is not going to help you get unbanned in those channels you have been banned in.
[01:55] <maco> Cakester: if you dont know what bug triaging is, why are you here?
[01:55] <Cakester> I never said that me being banned was a bug
[01:55] <Cakester> maco: to learn.
[01:56] <drosenbe> hey, that's actually a pretty good reason
[01:56] <drosenbe> i'm surprised
[01:56] <maco> Cakester: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[01:59] <Cakester> i have a bug to report now :(
[01:59] <IdleOne> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[01:59] <Cakester> gpg --fingerprint did not give me a code
[01:59] <drosenbe> you should probably file it in launchpad
[02:00] <Cakester> is this ping the code?
[02:00] <drosenbe> that's not a sentence.
[02:00] <hggdh> no. This was me
[02:02] <jfi_> mov bed, [jfi_] // bye
[02:03] <Cakester> hold plz
[02:04] <Cakester> does it normally take over 5 minutes to generate a OpenPNP key
[02:04] <Cakester> PGP
[02:04] <Cakester> sorry
[02:04] <maco> do stuff on your box
[02:04] <maco> it needs activity to get enough entropy to generate a key
[02:06] <Cakester> lol
[02:06] <Cakester> oh hey!
[02:06] <Cakester> i think it went through
[02:06]  * hggdh is still unsure what this has to do with triaging
[02:08] <Cakester> this won't steal my social security number will it
[02:08] <Cakester> ok sweet
[02:09] <Cakester> did it say i need to wait 10 minutes
[02:10] <Cakester> does it hurt to try earlier?
[02:11] <Cakester> doh yes
[02:16] <Cakester> wth
[02:16] <Cakester> i can't decrypt that
[02:16] <Cakester> i can barely code an obfuscater
[02:17] <Cakester> gosh darn yahoo can't do it for me
[02:19] <hggdh> Cakester: please stay on topic
[02:30] <Cakester> pop password?
[02:35] <Cakester> i need to pay to have pop too work
[02:42] <Cakester> why do none the mail clients i need to get the PGP to be read work
[02:45] <Cakester> wth
[02:53] <micahg> Cakester: you try thunderbird?
[02:57] <Cakester> i tried evolution and thunderbird. it looks like because i am using a yahoo email, i need to buy the yahoo mail plus
[02:57] <Cakester> to use the pop
[02:57] <Cakester> so i can use the pgp decryptor on a message
[02:57] <micahg> Cakester: yes, or switch to another provider :)
[02:57] <micahg> aol, gmail
[02:57] <Cakester> oh
[02:57] <Cakester> is it worth buying the pop
[02:57] <Cakester> my yahoo email is tied to most my ubuntu accounts
[02:57] <Cakester> like the shop
[02:58] <micahg> that's your call, I use aol, gmail, and my own domain for stuff, mostly my own domain
[02:58] <Cakester> well i want to be well known by one email name
[02:59] <Cakester> so aol lets me use it for free?
[03:00] <micahg> yes
[03:00] <Cakester> super cool!
[03:01] <Cakester> now i just need it to send the pgp thing to my aol now :(
[03:01] <micahg> Cakester: huh?
[03:01] <micahg> you set up GPG locally and use IMAP
[03:04] <Cakester> oo i know i cna forward it from my yahoo
[03:06] <Cakester> woo hoo
[03:12] <Cakester> ok
[03:12] <Cakester> i signed the code of conduct
[03:13] <Cakester> do i get a hip hip hooray?
[03:38] <IdleOne> Can someone tell me what package provides the fdisk command? man fdisk says util-linux-ng but apt-cache policy util-linux-ng returns unable to locate package
[03:41] <Cakester> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/redhat-fedora-linux-help/37322-fdisk-not-worked.html
[03:41] <Cakester> ?
[03:42] <bazhang> Cakester, was there a question related to that? please see the topic as support is in #ubuntu not here
[03:43] <IdleOne> bazhang: Cakester was responding to a question I posed just before you entered
[03:43] <bazhang> IdleOne, I see, thanks
[03:43] <IdleOne> I don't see how a fedora link is relevant to my question though
[03:43] <Cakester> so
[03:43] <Cakester> did you try the root?
[03:44] <IdleOne> thr root?
[03:44] <IdleOne> the*
[03:44] <Cakester> anomie, says run fdisk as root
[03:44] <Cakester> he is a linux guru it says
[03:44] <IdleOne> I know how to run it, I am looking for the package that provides it
[03:47] <IdleOne> Reason I am asking is because if you run: fdisk -l  it simply returns to a prompt. It should respond with "Permission denied, run as root" or something to that effect.
[03:47] <IdleOne> I wanted to report a bug but without knowing what package....
[03:50] <micahg> IdleOne: util-linux
[03:50] <IdleOne> micahg: thank you. I didn't think of narrowing my search
[03:51] <micahg> IdleOne: try apt-file next time
[03:51] <micahg> IdleOne: or dpkg -S
[03:51] <IdleOne> well look at that
[03:51] <IdleOne> :)
[03:51] <IdleOne> thanks
[04:21] <Cakester> hi
[04:22] <Cakester> welcome to ubuntu-bugs
[04:22] <Cakester> how may i help you
[04:22] <bazhang> Cakester, no need for that
[04:23] <Cakester> ok
[05:11] <Cakester> Is it a bug if I can edit a byte of a variable declared in the .data section at runtime?
[05:12] <Cakester> the .bss section I thought was for that purpose
[05:13] <Cakester> hey
[05:13] <Cakester> my 72 hour ban should be lifted pretty soon
[06:07] <Cakester> Hey sorry to bother.. but I can't find out where I create my wiki at
[06:07] <Cakester> for describing my interests and skills
[06:07] <Cakester> it is one of the steps to requesting a mentor
[06:07] <Cakester> I found the user prefs page
[06:07] <bazhang> Cakester, this is certainly not the channel for that
[06:08] <Cakester> i know, but is there a channel for that?
[06:08] <Cakester> that i can go t o
[06:09] <Cakester> oh i found the list of channels
[06:09] <Cakester> ok
[06:12] <rww> Cakester: people are split between https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirstnameLastname and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Somenickname in my experience
[06:12] <Cakester> oh
[06:12] <rww> (I don't know that there is a right channel for that, so I figured I'd just answer ;P)
[06:13] <Cakester> oh wow. so i can literally start an empty page
[06:13] <Cakester> pretty cool
[06:14] <Cakester> others won't be able to edit my page will they
[06:14] <Cakester> only trusted people right?
[06:14] <rww> anyone with a Launchpad account that isn't blocked from editing can edit any wiki.ubuntu.com page, as far as I know
[08:11] <thekorn> good morning
[08:13] <Cakester> hello
[08:13] <Cakester> and welcome to ubuntu-bugs
[08:13] <Cakester> where the bugs are the.. buggiest if bugs at all!
[08:13] <Cakester> or maybe not idk
[08:18] <ikonia> Cakester: if you don't know - don't speak in the channel
[08:19] <Cakester> i am going to walk away as this appears to be some form of aggression
[08:19] <thekorn> ohhhhhh ;)
[08:45] <njin> hello here https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/390289 i assign to gnome-power-manager, add stock comment of bug without package assigned, request if reproducible in lucid, right ?
[08:45] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 390289 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "do not start without power supply (affects: 1) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[08:45] <njin> request of apport-collect
[09:03] <thekorn> njin: let me read the bug
[09:04] <thekorn> njin: I've seen this bug before, let me search for the master bugreport
[09:05] <thekorn> njin: the user seems to be affected by bug 272247
[09:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 272247 in linux (Mandriva) (and 6 other projects) "System freezes during boot, unless I hold a key down (affects: 41) (dups: 17) (heat: 314)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272247
[09:06] <thekorn> njin: so mark your bug as a duplicate of this bug, and point the reporter to the workaround
[09:06] <thekorn> which is mentioned in the description of the master bug
[09:06] <njin> thekorn: have you same minut for me ?
[09:07] <thekorn> njin: sure
[09:07] <njin> thekorn: thanks, haw can i found duplicates ?
[09:08] <thekorn> njin: good question. launchpad has some search functionality, so you can search for strings etc.
[09:08] <thekorn> njin: bu IMHO google is much more powerful
[09:09] <njin> the korn, i've noted that you found this much fast
[09:09] <thekorn> njin: just because I knew that there was such a bug
[09:09] <thekorn> because I've read about it somewhere before
[09:10] <thekorn> and I knew that it was related to the HP hardware of the user
[09:10] <njin> ah, ok thanks for explain
[09:10] <thekorn> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ubuntu+battery+freeze+on+boot&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
[09:11] <thekorn> and fortunatly it is on the first page of
[09:11] <thekorn> ^^
[09:11] <njin> thekorn: :-)
[09:12] <thekorn> njin: there is also another "tool" which helps us to find duplicates, it's the bug patterns for apport
[09:13] <njin> thekorn: i don't know it
[09:13] <thekorn> so if you think there is a certain pattern in some bugreports which is pointing to the same issue, you can write such pattern to find duplicates
[09:14] <thekorn> njin: but it's a more advanced feature, and won't work in case of this bug
[09:14] <njin> ok, then is better for me go on with little syeps ;-)
[09:14] <njin> *steps
[09:15] <thekorn> great! - thanks for helping
[09:16] <njin> thekorn: thanks
[09:17] <thekorn> njin: now you need to follow the steps I described above and mark 390289 as duplicate of the other one ;)
[09:17] <thekorn> if not, I can do it for you
[09:18] <njin> no, i'm busy with my wife questionsssss 8ton of question), i do it, thanks
[09:19] <thekorn> great, take your time
[09:22] <njin> thekorn: done, thanks for the help
[09:59] <ppearse> Is there a known problem with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/binutils/+filebug? I keep getting "Timeout error" (Error ID: OOPS-1683E551)
[09:59] <ubot2> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1683E551
[10:01] <thekorn> ppearse: people in #launchpad might be of better help, they can tell you exactly what's going wrong
[10:01] <ppearse> thekorn: Thanks - will try
[10:18] <yofel_> njin: btw, a useful feature of google is to be able to only search a specific site like searching for 'site:launchpad.net ubuntu battery freeze on boot' will only show results from launchpad
[10:18] <yofel_> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Alaunchpad.net+ubuntu+battery+freeze+on+boot&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
[10:32] <njin> yofel_:thanks
[10:39] <njin> hello this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/390295 is a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/293642 but is expired, what i have to do ?
[10:40] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 390295 in ubuntu "laptop function keys makes gnome hang (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[10:41] <njin> reopen the exipired and mark 390295 as duplicate  asking if someone can reproduce the issue on Lucid ?
[11:35] <baptistemm> hi there
[11:35] <baptistemm> did I post enought information in bug 615509 for the SRU
[11:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615509 in collectd (Ubuntu) "curl based plugins are unable to check local files (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615509
[11:37] <yofel> baptistemm: it says the fix is in 4.9, so 4.10.1 in maverick is fixed?
[11:37] <baptistemm> it should
[11:37] <yofel> baptistemm: also, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[11:38] <baptistemm> I don't use maverick on my server, but the error disappeared after I patched collectd
[11:38] <baptistemm> so I did
[11:39] <yofel> baptistemm: ok, then please set the bug to Fix Released as  it's fixed in maverick and nominate the bug for lucid
[11:39] <yofel> you might need to put up a 'TEST CASE:' part with reproduce instructions in the descriptions for the SRU verification
[11:40] <yofel> *description
[11:46] <baptistemm> yofel: actually the bug is not fixed yep in 4.10
[11:46] <baptistemm> but will be in next release
[11:47] <baptistemm> perhaps I should report to debien BTS as we push from there
[11:47] <baptistemm> debian
[11:48] <njin> yofel: can you take a look at my post up 11:39 - 11:41 thanks
[11:48] <yofel> eeeek, misread my apt-cache output. it's not fixed in maverick yet as that has the same version in lucid, sorry -.-
[11:48] <yofel> *as in lucid
[11:49] <yofel> debian has 4.10
[11:50] <jibel> baptistemm, that's a *huge* patch for a sru. Is all of this needed ? the git commit is only a 1 line change.
[11:52] <yofel> njin: hm.. from what I see those seem to be duplicates, but we need someone to add the information bryce asked to get the other bug out of the expired state
[11:52] <yofel> I don't know enough about X bugs to give you more advice, maybe ask in #ubuntu-x
[13:01] <kangarooo> heelp after updates 14h ago cant start comp. logo loads then comp stops thinking.
[13:12] <dholbach> pedro_, nigelb: how's the hug day organisation coming on?
[13:12] <dholbach> pedro_, nigelb: I blogged about it - do we need more publicity?
[13:12] <pedro_> dholbach, i'm going to put some bugs on the page now
[13:13] <pedro_> dholbach, ~50 of each sounds fine?
[13:13] <pedro_> we have lot of bugs and don't want to scare people :-P
[13:13] <pedro_> we can always put a link with 'click here for more'
[13:14] <pedro_> dholbach, i need to post on the QA blog btw and on identi.ca, twitter
[13:14] <dholbach> nigelb: ^ do you have an opinion?
[13:14]  * dholbach hugs pedro_
[13:14]  * pedro_ hugs dholbach back
[13:19] <kangarooo> whata...
[13:24] <nigelb> pedro_: 50 will do great :)
[13:24] <nigelb> sorry, /me was away.
[13:27] <pedro_> nigelb, ok i'm getting the lists now ;-)
[13:31] <nigelb> dholbach: we could use more.  I'll blog tonight.
[13:38] <devildante> guys, is it normal that the gnome-power-manager indicator doesn't have an icon?
[13:40] <nigelb> devildante: maybe.  User can set it be not shown I think.
[13:40]  * nigelb checks just in case
[13:40] <nigelb> Yep, user can set.
[13:41] <devildante> no, I mean, the indicator is there, but without a battery icon
[13:53] <pedro_> dholbach, nigelb do you guys have any progress graph we could add to the hug day page?
[13:54] <pedro_> dholbach, nigelb there's a javascript one on the ReviewGuide but i don't think that's going to work on the wiki...
[13:54] <dholbach> pedro_: bdmurray has a few
[13:54] <pedro_> ok so in the graphs directory ;-)
[13:54] <pedro_> looking into those
[13:55] <dholbach> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/patches/
[13:57] <pedro_> awesome ;-)
[14:09] <kermiac> vish: I can't attend the meeting as my timezone bites haha.... I sent you an email regarding the progress of nisshh & gorilla
[14:12] <njin> pedro_: are you around ?
[14:14] <pedro_> njin, hello, yes
[14:14] <pedro_> hello fabio!
[14:14] <fabio> hello pedro_
[14:21] <njin> pedro_: i've marked this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/390295 as duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/293642 expired ad reopened, but i think tho assign at ....input-kbd, in the latest post there's something regarding steps to reproduce but probably in the same laptop
[14:21] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 390295 in ubuntu "laptop function keys makes gnome hang (dup-of: 293642)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[14:21] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 293642 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) "[Intrepid - Karmic] Fn-key locks up computer (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 36)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[14:22] <njin> fabio: i'm fabio too
[14:23] <njin> fabio: i'm from como
[14:23] <fabio> hahahahaha
[14:23] <fabio> ok
[14:27] <njin> pedro_: i forget the greetings, sorry .
[14:33] <bretzel>  In any situations where fsck must be started ( even for re-mount cycle value reached - thus very normal check) -- at boot time, fsck terminate and lets the system ( init process ) to wait for fsck status that never returns to the init execution. putting the boot process to hang state
[14:35] <bretzel>  I have to reboot into a linux live, manually fsck my file system and then reboot to Ubuntu normally
[14:35] <bretzel> Happens to ALL ubuntu derivated distribs
[14:36] <bretzel> It leads to SERIOUS confusion
[14:36] <Pici> On what version of Ubuntu have you tested this situation?
[14:37] <bretzel> very annoying for me -- but for newbies, can leads to total confusion and leads them to think they've lost their file system
[14:37] <bretzel> Version: since 9.10
[14:37] <bretzel> running 10.04
[14:38] <bretzel> I cannot report the data since it is in boot time and must reboot -- previous msg data lost
[14:39] <bretzel> tested: Mint 8, Kubuntu 9.10+, Studio ...etc
[14:42] <hggdh> bretzel: I cannot repeat. Every so often I get the usual 'x has been mounted Y times, fsck-ing', and no problems -- boot keeps on as usual
[14:42] <bretzel> ho! and sometime on normal re-mount cycle, fsck is correct I said 'sometime', but for any other reasons ( unclean umount) , fsck always fails at bootime
[14:44] <bretzel> I have "filesystem inconsistency error" on every partitions  and then boot process hangs - keyboard does not work so "cold reset" is necessary
[14:45] <bretzel> I agree if you don't have the situation, you cannot see the prob. but It happens all the time for me
[14:45] <hggdh> bretzel: we will nee the logs, really. If you have another box, you could set a network console
[14:45] <hggdh> to capture the boot log
[14:46] <bretzel> that would be very hard because as you know, fsck is started very early at boot time - no network level  process  started yet
[14:48] <hggdh> heh
[14:48] <hggdh> indeed
[14:49] <hggdh> bretzel: why do you get so many fscks being run?
[14:49] <bretzel> /var/log/kernel* : no traces last log.2.gz stops august 1
[14:50] <bretzel> dont' ask me why fsck starts... I cannot tell you
[14:51] <bretzel> might be Win7 ... ( dual boot often switching between ) thus affecting only mount-cycles
[14:54] <hggdh> hum
[14:54] <hggdh> you access the Linux FSs via Win?
[14:55] <hggdh> the only reason for fsck (apart from the usual mount count/time triggers popping) is the FS was not cleanly closed
[14:58] <bretzel> sorry was afk
[14:58] <bretzel> no! no ext access from Win
[14:59] <bretzel> and last  unclean umount was months ago nothing to do with this installation
[14:59] <bretzel> there is no ext4fs drivers in windows
[15:02] <bretzel> Now that I am calm :-) seems I have to live with this strange behaviour for my computer. It is ok for me but I hope that situation does not raises for newbies...
[15:07] <hggdh> bretzel: I have not heard of anything like this. I really would like you to open a bug on it (a priori, assign to linux) -- run 'ubuntu-bug linux'
[15:07] <hggdh> and explain what is going on there
[15:08] <bretzel> http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1331500&page=2
[15:08] <bretzel> please, read page 2 also...
[15:09] <bretzel> seems old but one reports having same behaviour on 9.10
[15:09] <bretzel> ...
[15:11] <bretzel> wow! and bunch of messages dated from january 2010 .... it is a sign ...
[15:16] <bretzel> some ones thought it was modem-manager - but later we read that it has nothing to do with modem-man ... the common situation is " file systems not mounted and system hangs" obviously, if fsck stops and do not resturns clean, init Mother process wait for ever ...
[15:17] <bretzel> I am telling you that it happens only in Ubuntu out of my other distribs tests ( Fedora, OpenSuSE, Arch, Sabayon )
[15:19] <bretzel> okay, I have to go -- And Ubuntu still IS the distrib all star! vannot live without it... tried all other linux distribs I could and Ubuntu always returns first for me :-)
[15:20] <devildante> bretzel: seconded :)
[15:20] <devildante> bretzel: although arch comes as a close second :p
[15:20] <vish> kermiac: neat thanks!
[15:20] <bretzel> devildante: after hours of configs ...:-)
[15:21] <bretzel> ciao and thank for your time. ( just leaving this channel I have C++ heavy load of CODING to do ;_)
[15:28] <vish> devildante: whats the status of your addons branch?
[15:28] <devildante> vish: still awaiting review
[15:28] <vish> devildante: merged?  [just noticed your update manager got merged ;)]
[15:28] <vish> ah cool..
[15:29] <devildante> vish: [thank you :)]
[15:29] <vish> np..
[15:29] <devildante> vish: I'll bug mpt now for this addons branch
[15:29] <vish> too bad we cant subscribe to merges :s
[15:30] <devildante> report a bug, importance wishlist :p
[16:33] <pedro_> dholbach, nigelb may you folks have a look to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100812 and see if everything is ok ?
[16:33] <pedro_> I've added some bug lists
[16:33] <devildante> pedro_: neat! :)
[16:34] <pedro_> hello devildante!
[16:34] <dholbach> holy cow
[16:34] <devildante> hi pedro_
[16:34] <dholbach> that's going to keep them busy for a bit :-P
[16:34]  * dholbach hugs pedro_
[16:34]  * devildante hugs dholbach and pedro_
[16:34] <dholbach> hey devildante
[16:34]  * dholbach hugs devildante too
[16:34] <devildante> dholbach: hi :)
[16:34]  * pedro_ hugs dholbach and devildante back
[16:35] <dholbach> I'm looking forward to that hug day -it'll be great
[16:36] <dholbach> nigelb: what about that training session?
[16:36] <devildante> dholbach: is there a training session?
[16:36] <dholbach> devildante: that's what we're discussing right now :)
[16:36] <devildante> dholbach: what is it about?
[16:37] <dholbach> for the next hug day on thursday
[16:37] <dholbach> about patch review and forwarding them
[16:37] <devildante> okay, okay, okay
[16:37] <devildante> I might learn something from this :)
[16:38] <drizzle1> i all
[16:38] <drizzle1> hi all
[16:38] <drizzle1> how is everyone?
[16:38] <devildante> drizzle1: all is fine :)
[16:39] <drizzle1> :)
[16:45] <pedro_> nigelb, dholbach anything else to add : http://paste.ubuntu.com/476005/ ?
[16:45] <pedro_> nigelb, dholbach that's the announcement so i can send it to the ML and Planet, more input is always welcome ;-)
[16:46] <dholbach> pedro_: awesome!
[16:46] <dholbach> I like it
[16:47] <devildante> seconded :)
[16:47] <devildante> but line 1 and 10 should read: "Thursday 12th August 2010"
[16:47] <devildante> not 10th
[16:47] <pedro_> oh right, good catch devildante , thanks!
[16:48] <devildante> np :)
[16:48] <pedro_> same on the title :-/
[16:48] <pedro_> ok fixed, time to make some buzz
[16:50] <dholbach> :-D
[16:56] <devildante> pedro_: bug 613012 has been fixed, why is it included in the list?
[16:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 613012 in empathy (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Remove "Ubuntu servers" from irc channel list (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613012
[16:56] <pedro_> devildante, launchpad fault? ;-)
[16:57] <devildante> pedro_: what? (not sure if I understood that)
[16:57] <pedro_> devildante, i'm just grabbing the list from what launchpad returns me, if there's something that shouldn't be there that might be a launchpad issue
[16:58] <pedro_> devildante, feel free to remove the bug or mark it as green
[16:58] <devildante> pedro_: okay
[17:02] <devildante> pedro_: remove ;-)
[17:02] <devildante> removed*
[17:02] <pedro_> devildante, thanks, in which list was it?
[17:02] <devildante> pedro_: patch tag
[17:02] <pedro_> devildante, i've a huge list so maybe i can add an extra one
[17:02] <pedro_> devildante, ok thank you!
[17:02] <devildante> pedro_: np :)
[17:03] <devildante> pedro_: I'll see if I can stop other fixed bugs
[17:03] <nigelb> pedro_: It rocks.  Sorry.  Lost power.
[17:04] <pedro_> devildante, cool, just let me know how many were removed  so we can replace those ;-)
[17:04] <pedro_> devildante, thanks for checking !
[17:04] <devildante> pedro_: okay, np :)
[17:04] <pedro_> nigelb, cool, I've just sent the announcement no it's tiime to make some noise :-)
[17:05] <devildante> pedro_: Bug #614388 is "fix committed"
[17:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 614388 in sugar-0.88 (Ubuntu) "Sugar emulator should start in fullscreen mode (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/614388
[17:06] <devildante> pedro_: but it seems the original reporter is the one to mark the bug as commited
[17:06] <devildante> should I tell him?
[17:07] <pedro_> devildante, yes please
[17:07] <pedro_> it needs to be reviewed anyways
[17:10] <Laibsch> bdrung, dholbach: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scim-bridge/+bug/338217/comments/28
[17:11] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 338217 in scim-bridge (Ubuntu) "scim-bridge crashed with SIGSEGV in scim::Module::unload() - fixed by "rm -Rf ~/.scim/" (affects: 66) (dups: 212) (heat: 1747)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[17:11] <dholbach> Laibsch: what about it?
[17:11]  * Laibsch still recommends to at least document the problem instead of doing nothing
[17:11] <Laibsch> dholbach: you and bdrung said upstream is alive
[17:11] <Laibsch> the Debian maintainer orphaned the package about a week ago
[17:11] <Laibsch> because "upstream is dea"
[17:11] <Laibsch> d
[17:12] <dholbach> where did I say that?
[17:12] <Laibsch> comment 24
[17:12] <dholbach> if you want to get the solution integrated, go ahead and do it
[17:12] <dholbach> I'm not going to stop you
[17:12] <Laibsch> I can't
[17:12] <Laibsch> I don't have upload rights
[17:12] <Laibsch> I provided the patch
[17:12] <Laibsch> I kindly ask again to have it sponsored
[17:13] <dholbach> subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug
[17:13] <Laibsch> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39501373/LP338217.debdiff
[17:13] <Laibsch> OK
[17:13] <Laibsch> I'm sure I did that in the past
[17:13] <Laibsch> and the patch was rejected
[17:14] <Laibsch> you guys might as well just have taken my word as Debian maintainer of the scim package and part of upstream team ;-)
[17:16] <devildante> pedro_: bug 611024 is marked "Fix Released" for all packages except for one who is not affected by the patch
[17:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 611024 in xmms2 (Ubuntu) (and 13 other projects) "Rebuild for libmpcdec3 → libmpcdec6 transition (affects: 7) (heat: 40)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/611024
[17:17] <devildante> it's in the "patch tag" category
[17:18] <pedro_> devildante, well it seems there's no patch for that package yet
[17:19] <devildante> should I remove it?
[17:19] <pedro_> devildante, or mark it green since you reviewed the bug
[17:19] <pedro_> hello DrKenobi
[17:20] <devildante> pedro_: okay
[17:21] <DrKenobi> hello pedro_
[17:22]  * charlie-tca is glad to see pedro_ is back. It has been a long ...
[17:25] <pedro_> thank you charlie-tca! it's nice to be back ;-)
[17:26] <pedro_> btw folks Bugsquad meeting is in ~35 minutes
[17:26] <holstein> hggdh: ping
[17:27] <devildante> pedro_: bug 610300 seems to have been fixed in lucid. should I add a "patch-accepted-upstream" tag?
[17:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 610300 in likewise-open (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "package likewise-open 5.4.0.42111-2ubuntu1.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (affects: 39) (dups: 4) (heat: 524)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610300
[17:27] <pedro_> nigelb,  ^
[17:28]  * nigelb checks
[17:29] <nigelb> devildante: patch from upstream?
[17:29] <nigelb> (if so, go ahead.  you're right)
[17:31] <hggdh> holstein: pong
[17:31] <holstein> hggdh: in case i need to miss the meeting
[17:31] <holstein> i just wanted to check in
[17:32] <devildante> nigelb: no, it's a patch on launchpad
[17:32] <nigelb> devildante: In that case, you need to forward it upstream.
[17:32]  * holstein will check the logs
[17:33] <devildante> nigelb: no, it seems it's an Ubuntu specific issue that has already been fixed
[17:33] <hggdh> holstein: yes. I am sorry I had not been able to contact you before, been quite busy. But let's get together
[17:33] <holstein> hggdh: i would like to make some time to work with you
[17:33] <devildante> nigelb: by that same patch
[17:33] <holstein> hggdh: cool
[17:33] <holstein> same here
[17:33] <holstein> as long as we havent forgotten each other :)
[17:33] <hggdh> holstein: certainly. Right now I am going for lunch, but I will be back in 30 min
[17:33] <nigelb> devildante: oh, Ubuntu specific stuff can be off our radar.  Just ut patch-accepted :)
[17:33] <hggdh> then we can start
[17:33] <holstein> just ping me whenever you got some time
[17:34] <hggdh> holstein: will do
[17:34] <holstein> i might be out for the afternoon myself
[17:34] <devildante> nigelb: okay (what does ut stand for?)
[17:34] <holstein> but i'll look for you
[17:34] <holstein> thanks
[17:34] <nigelb> devildante: s/ut/put :D
[17:34] <devildante> nigelb: okay :p
[17:34] <nigelb> devildante: it stands for "Nigel spells very badly"
[17:34] <hggdh> holstein: I am online every week day, and some weekends. Ping me whenever you are available
[17:35] <nigelb> holstein: don't believe him.  He's online 24/7.  I think he's a bot ;)
[17:35] <holstein> hehe
[17:36] <vish> nigelb: nah , he has been a bad bot ;p , recently he often tends to be offline ;)
[17:36] <nigelb> vish: gah, bad network!
[17:41] <devildante> nigelb: patch of bug 608747 seems to have been uploaded into universe, but there is still some disagreements. Since there is no other patch to treat, should I put this in green in the list?
[17:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 608747 in goplay (Ubuntu) "Please merge goplay 0.4-1 (universe) from debian (unstable) (affects: 1) (heat: 227)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608747
[17:50] <nigelb> devildante: merge requests are immediately off.  unsubscribe team and subscribe sponsors.
[17:52] <nigelb> but this one, needs patch-needs work tag
[17:52] <devildante> nigelb: done :)
[17:53]  * nigelb ^ 5 devildante :)
[17:53] <vish> devildante: you need to remove the :"patch" tag too..
[17:53] <devildante> vish: okay
[17:53] <devildante> vish: done :)
[17:54] <vish> devildante: neat! ... now nigelb can ^5 you ;)
[17:55]  * nigelb hi5's vish instead :)
[17:55] <baptistemm> hmmm, collection3 is unable to graph a couple of rrd where collectd2html can
[17:56]  * micahg will miss the meeting unfortunately
[18:00] <pedro_> Hello folks, who is here for the BugSquad Meeting ?
[18:01] <njin> hello, i'm
[18:01] <devildante> pedro_: I'm here :)
[18:01] <elopio> I'm here :)
[18:01] <njin> sorry pedro_ but my wife has a troble with the car battery
[18:02] <pedro_> kamusin, hggdh, vish , devildante, charlie-tca  ?
[18:02] <njin> and i've to run
[18:02] <devildante> kamusin said he can't attend
[18:02] <pedro_> njin,  no worries ;-)
[18:02] <devildante> but he will send an e-mail for the mentorship status
[18:02] <pedro_> devildante, ok thanks!
[18:02] <vish> ~o~
[18:02] <pedro_> let's start
[18:02] <pedro_> first of all don't tell to hggdh our secret
[18:02] <pedro_> !
[18:02] <vish> +1
[18:03] <devildante> what secret? :p
[18:03] <pedro_> the agenda for the meeting can be found here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting
[18:03] <pedro_> so far it looks like
[18:03] <pedro_> * Mentorship program update from Mentors
[18:03] <pedro_> * Open Discussions.
[18:03] <pedro_> ok who many mentors and students we have this time?
[18:04] <devildante> student here :)
[18:04] <KE1HA> student here as well
[18:04] <pedro_> I'm mentoring a couple of folks
[18:04] <njin> half student here
[18:04] <SpamapS> Oh I'm here for the meeting too.. just a little bit late. ;)
[18:04] <vish> kermiac couldnt attend so he mailed me an update : http://paste.ubuntu.com/476035/
[18:04] <elopio> student here
[18:05] <SpamapS> I'll be a student forever, but I have no official mentor. ;)
[18:05] <pedro_> vish, awesome, thanks!
[18:05] <pedro_> thanks kermiac for sent the update :-)
[18:06] <pedro_> I've mentoring elopio and njin both are doing an extraordinary work and we're catching up since I was away a couple of weeks
[18:06] <pedro_> but so far they're rock solid
[18:07] <njin> hmm thanks
[18:07] <pedro_> does anybody else want to share updates regarding the students?
[18:07] <elopio> well, I've made some mistakes, but pedro_ is a great teacher :)
[18:07] <pedro_> or any student want to share their experience?
[18:07]  * pedro_ hugs elopio and njin
[18:07] <devildante> kamusin: is an excellent mentor :)
[18:07] <njin> hugs too
[18:07]  * njin 
[18:08] <pedro_> does anybody is having issues with their mentor or student ?
[18:08] <pedro_> like mentor/student is not answering their emails/messages/ etc
[18:08] <KE1HA> Just getting started w/Bugs, but have rcv'd good e-mail FB on a few, need to get a mentor though.
[18:08] <hggdh> pedro_: I will find another secret...
[18:09] <pedro_> KE1HA, awesome, could you add your name (if not already) on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors/Students so we can assign you a mentor?
[18:09] <pedro_> hggdh, jo jo jo !
[18:09] <devildante> pedro_: can you pm me so you tell me that secret? :p
[18:09] <KE1HA> will do.
[18:09] <pedro_> hggdh, any updates regarding your students?
[18:09] <vish> nigelb too^
[18:10] <pedro_> devildante, don't tell anybody!
[18:10] <devildante> pedro_: np :)
[18:10] <nigelb> I was assigned 2 new students.  Just sent out mails today.
[18:10] <pedro_> especially to hggdh
[18:11] <pedro_> cool!
[18:11] <hggdh> I have not contacted them (except for holstein, that contacted me today). I will get on with it, my fault
[18:11] <pedro_> hggdh, no worries, it's being a busy weeks ;-)
[18:11] <hggdh> pedro_: now devildante is also in? >:-]
[18:11] <vish> pedro_: i'v cleaned up most of the backlog and idle students , and most of the students have been assigned a mentor..
[18:11] <pedro_> hggdh, oh the whole Bugsquad :-P
[18:12] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors <- that's the table vish is referring
[18:12] <pedro_> it looks *amazing*
[18:12] <pedro_> thanks a lot vish!
[18:12] <hggdh> you just wait, alliagor, one day this pond will dry out...
[18:12] <vish> np..
[18:12] <pedro_> alright we need an action item to ping the other mentors
[18:12]  * njin have two arguments that want to propose.
[18:12] <devildante> pedro_: action item?
[18:12] <pedro_> I'll take that so they can share the updates with us on the mailing list
[18:13] <vish> pedro_: if you have heard anything from maco , iirc we need an update from her , else everything is upto date...? heard back anything?
[18:13] <pedro_> vish, i'll make sure to ping the remaining mentors by email
[18:13] <hggdh> vish: maco is usually on during evening US time. I can ask her this evening
[18:13] <maco> i have nothing to update
[18:14] <pedro_> Ok, anything else regarding Mentors/Students ?
[18:15] <pedro_> otherwise we can move to the next item
[18:15] <devildante> pedro_: I still don't know what is an action item :p
[18:16] <pedro_> devildante, something that needs to be done which is usually assigned to a person
[18:16] <devildante> pedro_: okay, thx :)
[18:16] <pedro_> Ok let's move
[18:16] <pedro_> * Open Discussions
[18:17] <pedro_> As you probably know already we're having a Bug day for the Operation Cleansweep next Thursday!
[18:17] <pedro_> this is a great chance to learn how the Patch review workflow works
[18:18] <pedro_> nigelb, around ?
[18:18] <pedro_> The page for the bug day is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100812
[18:18] <pedro_> as you can see there, devildante already started to work on it ;-)
[18:18] <pedro_> great work devildante!
[18:18]  * elopio is looking forward to learn about that
[18:18] <SpamapS> pedro_: Where is the page for the patch review workflow?
[18:18] <devildante> pedro_: :)
[18:19] <SpamapS> ah found the link on that page
[18:19] <SpamapS> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReviewersTeam/ReviewGuide#Workflow
[18:19] <pedro_> but there's a *lot* of bugs waiting to be triaged so if you have some time please consider in joining us that day or the previous like devildante
[18:19] <pedro_> SpamapS, exactly that one ;-)
[18:20] <pedro_> also if you can, please blog about it, send some announcement on identi.ca, twitter, facebook, etc
[18:20] <pedro_> the more help we could have the better ;-)
[18:20] <SpamapS> Seems like (at least for server team packages) the bug rate has gone up quite a bit in the last 2 weeks.
[18:20] <SpamapS> I normally only triage on Fridays but I've been triaging at least one bug every week day to try and help the team keep up, and we still had 16 untriaged this morning. :-/
[18:21] <pedro_> hggdh, ^
[18:22] <pedro_> looks like he's not around
[18:23] <pedro_> SpamapS, could you talk with hggdh to see if we (Bugsquad) can coordinate something to help you guys there?
[18:23] <simar> Hi all ... I have been mentored by sense and he has done the mentoring very well n I'm now in bug control team .. So for all this good I want to thank sense for that.. unfortunately he's not here but still .. :))
[18:23] <pedro_> great news simar! thanks for sharing
[18:23] <SpamapS> pedro_: I'll bring it up in the server team meeting, which is in ~40 minutes
[18:23] <pedro_> awesome SpamapS ;-)
[18:23] <pedro_> alright folks anything else ?
[18:23] <vish> hggdh, pedro_: one concern I have, is the list of mentors here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors , an active *willing* mentor list?  looks like its not all of the mentors are really available right now, and we should probably get an update on mentors first before assigning students..
[18:24] <simar> pedro_: :)
[18:25] <pedro_> vish, let's ping them to see if they're available or not
[18:25] <simar> vish: Can I mentor someone else or should I wait for some time. I think if I can help someone, I will feel good :)
[18:25] <pedro_> vish, probably hggdh wants to send the email asking that ;-)
[18:26] <pedro_> simar, if you're in bugcontrol you can mentor :-)
[18:26] <vish> pedro_: heh , yeah , hggdh can be scary and persuasive ;)
[18:26] <pedro_> simar, no need to wait , feel free to add your name to the list :-)
[18:26] <pedro_> vish, +1
[18:27] <vish> simar: add yourself with time available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[18:27] <simar> pedro_: vish  yeah!!! I like it :)
[18:27] <simar> pedro_: vish I will just do that ..
[18:27] <ashams> so, how can I get some Mentor to teach me?
[18:28] <SpamapS> btw, we use this to track our triaging backlog (credit: ttx)  http://webnumbr.com/ubuntu-server-daily-triage
[18:28] <vish> ashams: have you applied to the mentorship team?
[18:28] <ashams> no
[18:28] <SpamapS> might be useful to produce some more for the bug squad in general.
[18:29] <drew212> ddecator: hey, are you around man?
[18:29] <vish> ashams: you can read about how to do that and the requirements here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[18:29] <pedro_> ashams, check the "How to request a mentor" part on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[18:29] <vish> pedro_: looks like drew212 is looking to become a mentor too? ;)
[18:29] <charlie-tca> hmm, late again
[18:29] <ashams> pedro_, and vish : thank you
[18:30] <drew212> vish: i am? lol, i wouldn't mind, but i feel very underqualified...
[18:30] <pedro_> Ok folks anything else ? Otherwise i'd suggest we adjourn the meeting?
[18:30] <devildante> mvo: ping
[18:30] <vish> drew212: if you are in bug control , you can be a mentor ;)
[18:30] <pedro_> going once...
[18:30] <pedro_> twice...
[18:30] <KE1HA> I ahve one, but cant wait until after is someone can stick around fer a moment.
[18:30] <devildante> objection!
[18:31] <devildante> just kidding :p
[18:31] <yofel> nothing here (was stuck in traffic :/)
[18:31] <drew212> vish: didn't know that, but i just made it in a couple of weeks ago, and i feel like there is so much to learn =P
[18:31] <pedro_> Ok Let's adjourn, thanks everybody !
[18:31] <vish> ******DONG*****
[18:31]  * njin leaving for a little, baby's crying
[18:32]  * elopio hugs the squad
[18:32] <vish> drew212: there is always something to learn ;) btw , ddecator is busy atm
[18:32] <pedro_> the next meeting is on Tuesday 07 September
[18:32]  * devildante hugs everyone
[18:32] <devildante> thx pedro :)
[18:32]  * pedro_ hugs the bugsquad
[18:32] <pedro_> thanks folks
[18:32] <drew212> vish: too true.
[18:32] <pedro_> alright now time to eat!
[18:32]  * pedro_ -> lunch
[18:32] <vish> thanks pedro_ .
[18:33] <KE1HA> Can we do questions now ?
[18:33] <vish> KE1HA: sure
[18:33] <KE1HA> Is there a place where I can find the frequency of failure (Bugs) on a given hardware type? In particular, WiFI card types as I'm seeing "allot" of the same questions coming up in the Ubuntu channel about the same ones.
[18:34] <vish> drew212: so just add yourself with time available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[18:36] <vish> KE1HA: pass.. i'm not sure , wait for pedro_ or hggdh or charlie-tca to answer that..
[18:37]  * vish for a moment it felt like a game show.. PASS! ;p
[18:37] <charlie-tca> I do things the hard way. I would search launchpad bugs for the specific card.
[18:37] <KE1HA> vish, ok. The reason I ask is, there's Wiki pages covering how to install allot of them, but shouldn't that be rolled into each major release, and if so, how do we count the repeat failure?
[18:37] <simar> vish: pedro_ Added myself to Mentors list :)
[18:38] <hggdh> KE1HA: no, not yet. We are considering something like that, but it is still along way from being available
[18:38] <hggdh> KE1HA: *then* we should be able to pinpoint bugs to specific hardware
[18:38] <charlie-tca> KE1HA: I go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/, click Advanced, checkmark all types, put in the card name/number and hit search at the bottom
[18:38] <KE1HA> hggdh, rr ok. TNX was trying to work out hot to try and tackle so many of the same type of issues.
[18:39] <KE1HA> charlie-tca, tnx, will have a read of that.
[18:39] <hggdh> KE1HA: the problem is much more complex that that, though: consider just the CPU chip: you have different dies, different revisions, different problems
[18:39] <charlie-tca> It is a bit of work to sort out after that, but at least it gives all the bugs referring to that hardware
[18:40] <hggdh> BIOS can be updated or not; each machine have a (potentially) different BIOS
[18:40] <hggdh> and so on
[18:40] <KE1HA> hggdh, rr and firmware version, yeah, I can see its rough that one, but the end-users really get annoyed about it.
[18:40] <charlie-tca> which is why it appears to be so many with the exact same issue, but they really are not
[18:41] <vish> simar: neat!
[18:41] <simar> vish: Thanks.
[18:43]  * njin hugs the bugsquad and go to cook
[18:44] <vish> devildante: the easiest way to do reviews is find a package you are familiar with and just clean out all the patches ;)
[18:44] <KE1HA> charlie-tca, that's really nifty.
[18:44] <vish> like how you just poked for the patch for u-m
[18:44] <charlie-tca> Glad it helped
[18:45] <devildante> vish: should I put patches in a branch and propose it for merging?
[18:45] <KE1HA> I pulled up my favorite one: bcm43xx :-)
[18:45] <vish> devildante: would probably be even better , group the patches and make branches
[18:46] <vish> devildante: ofcourse , giving credit to the submitter ;)
[18:46] <devildante> vish: np with that :)
[18:46] <simar> vish: I hope I can add myself to this list also for touchpad area ..https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/AdoptPackage
[18:47] <vish> simar: sure , you can!
[18:47] <charlie-tca> simar: please!
[18:47] <simar> vish: charlie-tca :)
[18:47] <charlie-tca> It is good to have someone knowledgeable in that
[18:48] <yofel> devildante: if the application's upstream is a launchpad project then yes please do a merge, if not, just attach the patch to an upstream bug report
[18:48] <vish> simar: plus the X swat has always been looking for help.. they would be very happy ;)
[18:48] <simar> charlie-tca: I am pretty sure now of my expertise in touchpad area. atleast for triaging purposes.
[18:49] <vish> yofel: yeah , he was looking at an update manager bug , help merge ;)
[18:49] <vish> s/help/hence
[18:49] <yofel> ah, right :)
[18:50] <devildante> yofel: thank you :)
[18:50] <simar> vish: I will like of I could help them, probably by working on xorg. as I see it in Packages that should really be adopted.
[18:51] <vish> yofel: there are a few bugs with patches , instead of pinging mv-o for each bug , it would be easier for him to review a group at once.. and devildante has recently done a bit of work on u-m too
[18:52] <yofel> I know, I did a few merges in the past, launchpad has it's good points
[18:53] <devildante> yofel: I would rather say lp is awesome :-))
[18:53] <yofel> no, not awesome, too many bugs :/
[18:54] <devildante> yofel: once you select a group of bugs, it *is* awesome :)
[18:55] <drew212> if a bug is marked for expiration, should i invalidate it when asking for new information, or just keep it marked as incomplete? see bug 553814
[18:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 553814 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Bookmarks aint working (affects: 1) (heat: 28)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553814
[18:55] <yofel> devildante: no, I meant too many bugs in the launchpad code, my newest annoyance: bug 615123
[18:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615123 in malone "Oops on production when opening +choose-affected-product (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615123
[18:56] <yofel> drew212: looking
[18:56] <drew212> yofel: thanks
[18:56] <charlie-tca> Reporter attempted the suggested fix already
[18:56] <devildante> yofel: not to mention timeout errors :p
[18:57] <yofel> devildante: I have long stopped paying attention to them, except if it's so bad that I need to file bugs by mail...
[18:58] <yofel> drew212: you should ask the reporter for more information about the issue, ask micahg for help when he's here, he belongs to the mozillateam
[18:58] <yofel> hm, did I mention that the launchpads email interface is nice? :P
[18:59] <yofel> you can even set the 'expired' status that way
[19:00] <drew212> i was just curious if i should set the status to invalid since it has been so long since there has been activity on the bug, but i the plan was to use the "vague" stock response.
[19:03] <charlie-tca> drew212: since the reporter responded to the first request to try something different, it is not their fault there has been no activity.
[19:04] <charlie-tca> sometimes, they are just waiting to find out what else to try or information to supply
[19:14] <micahg> drew212: WRT flash crash bugs, this is a new feature for users, they're not used to seeing a note saying flash crashed in the browser, so they might think it's a bug when it's actually a feature, just FYI
[19:32] <njin> pedro_: around?
[19:54] <njin> njin.ping
[19:54] <njin> njin:ping
[19:56] <njin> pedro_: around ?
[19:56] <pedro_> njin, yes, i'm around now
[19:57] <pedro_> was having lunch ;-)
[19:57] <njin> pedro_: can we start ?
[19:57] <pedro_> sure
[21:14] <temp15893> So, I just ran update-manager on ubuntu netbook 10.10 and now when I log in mutter starts but unity and metacity do not. What package short I report this as a bug for? Also,  Anyone know how I can get a normal session to start?
[21:15] <jfi_> metacity --replace ?
[21:19] <temp15893> I've done that but things are still acting a little funny. Whenever I change windows the entire screen flashes. I'm imagining that some program is supposed to launch metacity mutter and unity when I start my session but it's not doing it. I'd also imagine that i should file a bug report for that program.
[21:20] <charlie-tca> temp15893: if you are using Maverick, there are more updates pending that might fix that
[21:21] <jfi_> maybe you should try first with a new account or the guest account? just to check that it is a config issue
[21:22] <om26er> temp15893, I have the same problem.. and I am waiting for mutter to build too ;)
[21:24] <temp15893> Yeah, I tried running update manager again but theres nothing yet. I might try the guest account idea. Should I usually assume with major issues like this in maverick that someone knows about it and try updating in in a few hours. Bug reports not usually necessary for this kind of thing?
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Usually wait about 24 hours to file, anyway. That gives the developers time to fix it.
[21:26] <charlie-tca> (development versions only)
[21:28] <temp15893> Makes sense. Thanks.
[23:11] <drizzle1> hello
[23:11] <drizzle1> can someone mark the following bugs as wishlist
[23:11] <drizzle1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/615876
[23:12] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 615876 in tomboy (Ubuntu) "Add Ubuntu One note to Tomboy fresh install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[23:12] <drizzle1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/615874
[23:12] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 615874 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Add Ubuntu One email to Evolution fresh install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[23:12] <drizzle1> please
[23:12] <devildante> guys, how can one forward patches to Debian?
[23:12] <micahg> devildante: submittodebian or reportbug
[23:13] <yofel> devildante: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debian/Bugs
[23:15] <devildante> micahg, yofel: thank you :)
[23:16] <yofel> hm, the page should mention https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training/Logs/2010-07-22 somewhere I think
[23:16] <yofel> should I add a link at the bottom?
[23:31] <devildante> yofel: Should I forward patch of bug 615563 to debian or patch the package in ubuntu first?
[23:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615563 in vifm (Ubuntu) "Vifm pause doesn't work when not using screen mode (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615563
[23:31] <yofel> give me a second
[23:38] <yofel> devildante: first forward it to debian, then make a debdiff for maverick as I'm not sure if it will be fixed in debian soon enough for maverick
[23:39] <devildante> yofel: how do I do a debdiff? simply run debdiff in source folder?
[23:40] <yofel> devildante: er, no. forward the patch to debian (make sure that you're adding the patch tag and you should add the usertags too) and then ping me again
[23:40]  * yofel goes back to fighting python
[23:40] <devildante> yofel: okay
[23:41] <yofel> I usually use reportbug to forward patches, works fine
[23:41] <maco> submittodebian
[23:41] <devildante> yofel: should I use submittodebian?
[23:41] <yofel> maco: how does that work? and isn't that for things that are already in the archive?
[23:42] <devildante> yofel: submittodebian really simplifies things
[23:42] <micahg> the problem with submittodebian is it takes the whole Ubuntu diff at once IIRC
[23:42] <maco> its a wrapper for reportbug to attach a patch to an existing debian bug
[23:43] <maco> and file a new one if one doesnt exist yet, i think
[23:43] <maco> micahg: it should open in an editor for you to edit it down to just what you want to send
[23:43] <yofel> hm, guess I'll try it next time
[23:43] <devildante> seconded, it does open an editor for me to discard changes
[23:43] <maco> which you *should* do.  a DD was complaining at debconf about a motu forwarding a patch that included bits of the debian changes that had been backported and so woulnt apply because some bits were already there
[23:44] <yofel> heh, can imagine that
[23:51] <devildante> whoopsie, submittodebian sent an e-mail to the debian BTS and ... to the hostname (which is devildante@devildante-laptop, obviously not my real address)
[23:51] <devildante> what should I do?
[23:58] <yofel> as I never used it I'm not sure how that happened, maybe you don't have $DEBEMAIL set and the changelog email was your hostname?