[00:05] <doctormo> nhandler: How easy would it be to convince you to update your workflow?
[00:06] <nhandler> doctormo: The issue is, it isn't just me. If you ask around, I am sure you will find many teams using Google Calendars for LoCo events. It is also used by the Fridge and Classroom and a few other places in the community.
[00:07] <paultag> o/ <-- LoCoHiO uses it
[00:07] <paultag> we have to duplicate work for the LD
[00:07] <paultag> it would be nice to pull from the feed on the update
[00:08] <paultag> brbz
[00:08] <czajkowski> aye
[00:09]  * czajkowski loves Google calendars 
[00:19] <doctormo> nhandler: We don't have the source code for google calendars though, so we can't go about changing it to suite the externalities we have.
[00:19] <doctormo> nhandler: I know everyone's gotten tied to google calendars, but how can we make the loco directory workflow replace it.
[00:19] <paultag> doctormo: you don't have to
[00:19] <doctormo> for you, for everyone.
[00:19] <paultag> doctormo: just use the ical interface
[00:19] <doctormo> paultag: Wut?
[00:19] <paultag> doctormo: read from it on the update routine ( it's in there ), and log changes against the teams, like it does for Launchpad
[00:20] <paultag> doctormo: this will also let people use whatever for their calander software, and let it remain open for other tools
[00:20] <doctormo> paultag: Evolution doesn't produce ical feeds readable from the outside world.
[00:20] <paultag> doctormo: what does evolution have to do with this?
[00:20] <doctormo> paultag: And you've still not sewn up the incompatibilities.
[00:21] <paultag> doctormo: all google calanders have three types of feeds you can read globally, pick one and interface it :)
[00:21] <doctormo> That's not good enough paultag
[00:21] <paultag> doctormo: launchpad has one, I think it is :)
[00:21] <doctormo> link
[00:21] <paultag> doctormo: google it
[00:21] <paultag> doctormo: there's xml, ical and html
[00:21] <doctormo> paultag: If you don't link it didn't happen.
[00:22] <paultag> doctormo: well i'm lazy and don't have a wm up
[00:22] <paultag> doctormo: so I can't copy paste from another term
[00:22] <doctormo> I don't know why everyone's teaching me to suck eggs, I know exactly what google calendars provides, I've been using it for MA LoCo for years and testing with it.
[00:22] <paultag> doctormo: well let us interface with it :)
[00:23] <paultag> doctormo: the ical spec is already in teh code, dholbach wrote some bindings for it iirc
[00:23] <paultag> doctormo: just add it to manage / update
[00:23] <doctormo> paultag: You know where the code base is, I'm not in the mood right now. Rather put out to be honest.
[00:23] <paultag> doctormo: I'm just saying, don't shrug off features because you're put out about it
[00:23] <paultag> doctormo: just say you don't wana :)
[00:26] <doctormo> paultag: I'm not put out by the features, just your presentation.
[00:28] <doctormo> Although I'm also looking forward to seeing how this magic is to be achieved. Since structurally ical is a subset of the loco event fields.
[00:55] <akgraner> paultag, taking a break for a few I'll see if you are around in a little while to talk ubucon stuff
[00:55] <paultag> akgraner: sure thing
[01:18] <nigelb> http://www.techdrivein.com/2010/08/ubuntu-probably-first-ever-linux-distro.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+techdrivein+%28Tech+Drive-in%29&utm_content=Gmail
[01:18] <nigelb> \o.
[01:18] <nigelb> fail
[01:18] <nigelb> \o/
[01:18] <duanedesign> :)
[01:19] <paultag> nigelb: that kinda looks like a dude rasing one hand and pointing with the other
[01:19] <paultag> nigelb: as if to say "YOU."
[01:19] <nigelb> paultag: ok, in that case it was not #fail
[01:19] <nigelb> paultag: also, did you see http://behindthecircle.org/?
[01:19] <duanedesign> o? or the pirate waving hello
[01:19] <paultag> nigelb: nope
[01:19] <paultag> doctormo: haha
[01:20] <paultag> nigelb: woo looks good :)
[01:20] <duanedesign> nigelb: neat link nigelb
[01:20] <doctormo> paultag: huh?
[01:20] <nigelb> FTR, LucidFox rocks!
[01:20] <duanedesign> the ubuntu stats are good news. The declining linux stats are not
[01:21] <duanedesign> nigelb: ^^
[01:21] <paultag> doctormo: oh not you
[01:21] <paultag> duanedesign: haha to you
[01:21] <paultag> doctormo: tab fail
[01:22] <doctormo> duanedesign: He's laughing at you, not with you ;-)
[01:22] <nigelb> hahaha
[01:22] <duanedesign> :D
[01:23]  * duanedesign is just happy to get attention
[01:23] <nigelb> paultag: you have a problem.  A council member is out for attention! BT is dommed!
[01:23] <nigelb> :D
[01:24] <paultag> Oh noe!
[01:24]  * duanedesign rubs hands together feindeshly
[01:24] <paultag> nigelb: http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo239/bethtopaz53/2074682040.jpg
[01:24] <duanedesign>  fiendishly  *
[01:25] <nigelb> paultag: isn't that a bit um non-family friendly? ;)
[01:26] <paultag> my mum sent that to me when I was a kid
[01:26] <duanedesign> nigelb: that is a good site? tecdrivein
[01:26] <nigelb> duanedesign: dunno.  got there from a dent.
[01:30] <duanedesign> man identi.ca got hit with a ton of spam
[01:31] <duanedesign> good. looks like they got it stopped
[01:53] <nhandler> nigelb: I like the new theme
[02:50] <nigelb> nhandler: maia's work :)
[02:53] <paultag> maco: did you get a chance to take a look at my package?
[02:54] <maco> paultag: no. im at a hacker thing with ... im getting 15Kbps wireless speeds right now. a single packages is 47% downloaded, after 3 hours... so no, i havent managed to dget your source package yet
[02:54] <nigelb> lol
[02:54] <paultag> maco: OK
[02:54] <paultag> maco: thanks :)
[03:19] <pleia2> yay, apology \o/
[03:19] <nigelb> who? what? where?
[03:19] <pleia2> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/i-said-few-things-wrong-lets-move-on.html
[03:19] <nigelb> "few"?
[03:20] <pleia2> I believe he's sincere
[03:24] <nigelb> gah, paultag left.  He would have been amused about http://twitter.com/humphreybc/status/20752871895
[03:24] <nigelb> duanedesign: ^ ;)
[03:25] <duanedesign> nigelb: lol
[03:50] <doctormo> nigelb: What did he say exactly?
[03:55] <doctormo> Never mind I'm reading it. both palm and hand are getting sore.
[04:00] <nigelb> doctormo: haha
[04:16] <doctormo> Wow that was some article, I'm glad I've only ever posted 90 of those.
[04:17] <nigelb> out of the 900000 you've ever posted?
[04:19] <duanedesign> :P
[04:20] <duanedesign> not dure what that smiley meant in that context
[04:20] <duanedesign> sure*
[04:21] <akgraner> wow it's holding hands and singing Kumbaya around the Ubuntu Campfire the last 10 days - Greg, Mark on LinuxCon, Mark on Old Wounds and now Benjamin.... :-)  smores anyone???
[04:21] <akgraner> :-)
[04:21] <doctormo> nigelb: Well, 540ish.
[04:22] <doctormo> nigelb: It's gone down since I stopped posting on Sundays
[04:22] <nigelb> doctormo: since you started posting *only* when you were sober :p
[04:22] <doctormo> akgraner: What's this about LinuxCon?
[04:22] <duanedesign> nigelb: haha
[04:22] <nigelb> mark applogied about a sexist comment at linuxcon.
[04:23] <doctormo> nigelb: You don't want me posting sober, I start talking about comrades and taking the means of production to the people.
[04:23] <akgraner> doctormo it's in the comments of the tribalism post
[04:23] <akgraner> you can also read about it in today's UWN
[04:23] <doctormo> Ah right, only because LinuxCon starts tomorrow, thought there might have been news.
[04:23] <duanedesign> doctormo: i am intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter
[04:23] <akgraner> doctormo, linuxcon 2009
[04:23] <doctormo> I actually read that apology at the time.
[04:23] <nigelb> duanedesign: hahaha
[04:24] <doctormo> duanedesign: It's in a new blog called "News from Ipswitch"
[04:25] <doctormo> OK that may be too high brow: http://books.google.com/books?id=93OxYSzOFCsC&pg=PA240&lpg=PA240&dq=%22News+from+Ipswitch%22&source=bl&ots=UfOWk-7eP4&sig=DiRhbq_wOVFh1zcnyMfJHtMSEcE&hl=en&ei=dsZgTOfeI4a0lQfO0s2nCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22News%20from%20Ipswitch%22&f=false
[04:28] <IdleOne> wow long link
[04:28] <doctormo> sorry, damn google books, should have used a short link site but i don't know any.
[04:30] <IdleOne> doctormo: no worries, tinyurl.com
[04:34]  * nigelb ^ 5 IdleOne :)
[05:19] <doctormo> That's odd, why is Guest31218 a jono?
[05:39] <nigelb> doctormo: because he didn't identify.
[07:48] <dpm> good morning everyone
[07:51] <jono_> hey dpm :)
[07:52] <dpm> morning jono_ :)
[07:58] <dholbach> good morning
[07:59] <dpm> heya dholbach
[07:59] <ara> good morning all
[07:59] <dpm> morning ara
[08:00] <dholbach> heya dpm
[08:00] <dholbach> hey ara
[08:05] <jono_> ok bed for me
[08:05] <jono_> today was a long day
[08:06] <AlanBell> o/ jono_
[08:06] <jono_> night all!
[08:44] <nigelb> dholbach: did you see behindthecircle.org?
[08:45] <nigelb> morning all!
[08:45] <dholbach> yep, saw it - EXCELLENT
[08:45] <dholbach> nigelb: I think you can use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Interviews as a good basis for who was interviewed and who wasn't :)
[08:55] <dpm> hi all, does anyone know how (or if it is possible) to clean up spam in the archives of a mailman list? That's an ubuntu.com list from a translation team, so I might have to ask IS, but in the meantime, any advice will be welcome :)
[08:59] <dholbach> dpm: I wouldn't know how to do it
[09:00] <dpm> no worries, thanks dholbach
[09:00] <vish> nom nom! anyone have any idea what maverick+1 is gonna be called?
[09:00]  * vish needs to tag a few bugs as "for later"
[09:01] <dholbach> vish: isn't there a later milestone?
[09:01] <dholbach> vish: if not use "ubuntu+1" or "later"? :)
[09:02] <vish> dholbach: hmm ,  yeah ,thanks :)  or roxanne! ;p
[09:02] <vish> not sure why "roxanne" got stuck in my head though o.0
[09:02] <dholbach> I can't explain either :-P
[09:13] <dholbach> nigelb: how's the hug day organisation coming on?
[09:19] <dholbach> nigelb: shall I pencil you in for a training session on thursday? :)
[09:22] <dholbach> also can you all go and blog about Ubuntu Global Jam and talk to teams about it? :)
[09:23] <dholbach> ara: what about the Berlin jam? :-P
[09:23] <ara> dholbach, the what?? :P
[09:24] <dholbach> Ubuntu Global Jam - Berlin edition! :)
[09:24] <ara> dholbach, I know, I know, where is it going to be?
[09:25] <dholbach> ara: just asking the guys in #ubuntu-berlin if the c-base will be available (I guess so)
[09:28] <dholbach> seems we can still pick (Sunday or Saturday)
[09:37] <dholbach> hola randa
[09:37] <randa> hi daniel
[09:37] <dholbach> ara: do you have a preference wrt sat/sun? sunday might be better for folks who need to get stuff on sat
[09:39] <ara> dholbach, I don't have any special preference
[09:42]  * dpm goes for a short break
[09:44] <popey> YO YO YO!
[09:44]  * dholbach hugs dpm ara and popey
[09:44]  * ara hugs dholbach, dpm and popey
[09:44] <dholbach> :)
[09:45] <popey> Hug-a-thon!
[09:49] <nigelb> dholbach: wait, you and ara are in Berlin? Oh, I thought ara was in Spain.
[09:49] <ara> nigelb, I moved about two months ago
[09:49] <nigelb> popey: Carla's Schroeder's article comes to mind every time we hug... "kumbaya-or-else"
[09:49] <nigelb> ara: oh, good :)
[09:50] <nigelb> dholbach: I need to first query LP for the list of all the members of ~ubuntu-dev
[09:50] <nigelb> Also, Lucidfox is awesome :) She did the entire thing in like 2 hours :)
[09:52] <dholbach> nigelb: that shouldn't take very long to query :)
[10:13] <nigelb> dholbach: it has to query down to subteams too.
[10:13] <AlanBell> nigelb: want the code to do that?
[10:14] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/lplist.py
[10:17]  * nigelb hugs AlanBell 
[10:17] <nigelb> I was putting off writing that script for tonight.
[10:17] <nigelb> You saved me from a night of python hacking.
[10:17] <AlanBell> oh good, nice when stuff is useful
[10:21] <nigelb> Also, you can query api directory to get json values
[10:21] <nigelb> pain to process it correctly though.
[10:22] <nigelb> (directly = put https://api.edge.launchpad.net/beta/~ubuntu-dev/participants in browser)
[10:23] <AlanBell> yeah, but lplib sorts out oauth authentication if you need it
[10:25] <nigelb> AlanBell: lol @ comments in the script
[10:25] <nigelb> "for now just writing out in dirty old CSV format"
[10:27] <dholbach> nigelb: [a.name for a in launchpad.people["ubuntu-dev"].participants]
[10:27] <dholbach> nigelb: that should be all
[10:28] <dholbach> ah ok, you got it already
[10:28] <dholbach> nevermind
[10:32] <AlanBell> the main feature of that script is figuring out the earliest date someone became a member of a group when they are members and indirect members via multiple routes
[10:33] <AlanBell> might be overkill (and overly slow) for just a list of names
[10:34]  * dholbach → lunch break, move office
[10:52] <nigelb> AlanBell: Not for that list.  There are too many complex relationships in there.
[11:15] <vish> http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2010/08/10/we-have-no-plans-to-fork-gnome/
[11:15] <paultag> I read that last night on lwn
[11:16] <vish> paultag: not from jono..
[11:16] <paultag> Oh wait, that's not jono
[11:16] <vish> ;)
[11:17] <paultag> vish: he left out a huge quote
[11:17] <paultag> vish: While GNOME Shell is pushed by Red Hat everybody was invited to contribute and there is also a community of people not working for Red Hat that is heavily contributing to the Shell.
[11:18] <paultag> vish: Jono totally said the same thing about or diversions
[11:19] <vish> yeah..
[11:30] <jussi> popey: ping
[11:30] <jussi> popey: please pm me when you have a min
[11:31] <popey> pong
[11:42] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:42] <czajkowski> nice to wake up to a nice email in my inbox Stefano Zacchiroli  is coming to Dublin and giving a talk on Debian and it's derivites
[11:42] <jussi> hi czajkowski
[12:17] <nigelb> czajkowski: oh, nice :)
[12:17] <nigelb> czajkowski: He's a great guy.  I've talked with him a coupla times on IRC :)
[12:19] <czajkowski> it's for my ossbarcamp
[12:22] <ara> dholbach, testing and upgrade ugj documents reviewed and updated
[12:38]  * dholbach hugs ara
[12:38] <dholbach> ara: muchas gracias
[12:56] <ara> dholbach, de nada
[13:41] <dholbach> jcastro: give Jill a big hug
[14:50] <akgraner> ok I have to share - now someone thinks that OMG should be included in the glossary terms...
[14:51] <czajkowski> why
[14:51] <akgraner> here is a comment that that got added today
[14:51] <akgraner> Am I stupid? Unable to find out what OMG! means (in OMG! ubuntu). Nothing even in the glossary terms
[14:51] <paultag> Hahahaha
[14:51] <czajkowski> no comment - any comment would not be polite
[14:51] <akgraner> paultag, do  you have a few minutes we can talk UbuCon
[14:52] <paultag> akgraner: over IRC or jabber, I can't skype -- at work :(
[14:52] <paultag> akgraner: but yeah, I have a few hours, or if you want to skype, can it wait until tn?
[14:52] <akgraner> paultag, ahhh ok - wanna wait til this evening then
[14:52] <paultag> akgraner: sure thing :)
[14:52] <akgraner> awesome just ping me laters
[14:53] <akgraner> kim0, did you get your email with the interview questions?
[14:53] <akgraner> ScottL, I have your picture and I am formatting the interview now
[14:53] <akgraner> czajkowski, do you have a few mins for a call?
[14:53] <kim0> akgraner: Yep .. when should I send you the answers
[14:54] <kim0> akgraner: would Thursday be ok ?
[14:54] <akgraner> kim0, if you can get them to my by Thursday night that would be great so I can post on my Ubuntu User Blog on Friday that would be great
[14:54] <kim0> sounds great
[14:54] <akgraner> :-)  awesome!
[14:54] <kim0> :)
[14:54] <czajkowski> akgraner: see pm
[14:55] <akgraner> czajkowski, roger that!
[15:03] <paultag> dholbach: have a second?
[15:06] <dholbach> paultag: yes
[15:07] <paultag> dholbach: So, I've been doing a lot of work getting fluxbox nice and pretty, and it's finally shaping up pretty well ( all in Debian ). I even put the debian theme in another .tar.gz, and created a second one for Ubuntu. I really want to try and help Ubuntu get rid of the Debian branding on Fluxbox, but I'm pushing against a brick wall
[15:07] <paultag> dholbach: no one wants to review my changes, and no one wants to help me with this, and I'm fine staying upstream, I just want to get the debian logo out of Ubuntu ( since I'm already there ). What should I do?
[15:08] <dholbach> paultag: I have no idea what you're trying to do and tried to do
[15:09] <paultag> dholbach: since I'm already putting together uploads for Debian, I want to also put together uploads for Ubuntu ( to get rid of the Debian theme that's still in Debian ). I've asked about 3 people for reviews, and in #ubuntu-motu ( again this morning ) and gone one partial review
[15:09] <dholbach> paultag: if you have it in Debian, ask for a sync in Ubuntu
[15:09] <dholbach> paultag: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[15:09] <paultag> dholbach: that's what everyone keeps saying, but if we sync then it still has the Debian theme and that makes what i'm talking about useless
[15:10] <paultag> dholbach: I mean, if we want to keep the Debian theme, I'll just go on my way, but I'm offering to help keep it up to date and themed
[15:10] <dholbach> is there no way to have one source package for both?
[15:10] <paultag> dholbach: I don't want the Ubuntu artwork etc in the debian repos, and I'd hate to see debian stuff in the Ubuntu repo ( although that does not matter as much )
[15:10] <dholbach> check the exitstatus of 'dpkg-vendor --derives-from Ubuntu'
[15:11] <dholbach> paultag: we rebuild the package in Ubuntu anyway, so it just needs to be part of the source package
[15:11] <paultag> dholbach: yes, but then it uses up space in the debian repos, and the debian people tend to not like this
[15:11] <dholbach> that's just not true
[15:12] <dholbach> checking "dpkg-vendor --derives-from Ubuntu" is the one clean way to do it and have a package that works for everyone
[15:12] <dholbach> paultag: how much space are we talking about?
[15:12] <dholbach> paultag: or you could introduce a separate theme package
[15:13] <dholbach> paultag: and Depends: …, fluxbox-theme-debian | fluxbox-theme-ubuntu   or something
[15:13] <paultag> dholbach: a png's worth, really. Can't do another theme, the default theme is compiled into flux
[15:13] <dholbach> a .png really doesn't matter
[15:13] <paultag> dholbach: debian folks love pointing out mistakes, are you *sure* this is OK by the books?
[15:14] <dholbach> it's how I'd do it
[15:14] <paultag> alright
[15:14] <paultag> thanks dholbach.
[15:14] <dholbach> "dpkg-vendor --derives-from" was particularly designed for having source packages in sync
[15:14] <dholbach> and not requiring distro specific hacks
[15:15] <paultag> dholbach: on an unrelated note, trying to get a review out of the MOTU team is like yelling at a brick wall :(
[15:15] <dholbach> paultag: where did you put it up for review?
[15:15] <paultag> dholbach: I asked in ubuntu-motu a few times
[15:16] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess should always work, or ask in #ubuntu-devel or for that specific case in #debian-ubuntu (on OFTC)
[15:16] <paultag> thanks dholbach
[15:27] <vish> ...  https://twitter.com/hbons/statuses/20791218292
[15:30] <vish> can others see that or is that locked^ ?
[15:31] <AlanBell> This person has protected their tweets.
[15:31] <vish> yeah , expected that..
[15:32] <vish> "don't like the tribal thinking of Bacon saying gnome-shell is a "RedHat project""
[15:32] <vish>  ^.^
[15:32] <AlanBell> time for a big floss community group hug I think
[15:33] <czajkowski> meh
[15:34] <AlanBell> it is a lot easier to write articles that divide and disillusion than it is to write articles that unite and inspire
[15:35] <vish> hehe , hbons can say that since he is from intel, and still has a lot of say in -shell designs  ;)
[15:52] <kim0> Guest47605: u lost ur name
[16:03] <nigelb> paultag: unlike debian, no one is an expert on ubuntu.  Hence the trouble.
[16:03] <nigelb> Also most people tend to use gnome or kde, fluxbox...um.. I don't know of many people using
[16:04] <paultag> nigelb: It's fine. I'm not working with the MOTU any longer, I'll just do my work upstream
[16:05] <paultag> nigelb: I'll just have it check vendor and do that
[16:06] <dholbach> just because nobody replied you are "not working with the MOTU any longer"???
[16:06] <dholbach> I mean I can see why you'd be frustrated
[16:07] <paultag> dholbach: No no, not that I hate you guys, it's just I'll stay upstream
[16:07] <paultag> dholbach: although it is frustrating, and if I could not get much of a response then I can't imagine the new hacker could, you know?
[16:07] <dholbach> for example to get a sync into Ubuntu, you'll need a MOTU to approve until until you have upload rights
[16:08] <paultag> dholbach: I don't think I'll be going for upload rights. I'll just file for syncs, and hope they get through, if not it's fine. I'll just support it upstream and leave it to you guys
[16:08] <dholbach> I totally understand how waiting sucks and I'm working very hard to get more people to do sponsoring and all the rest of it
[16:08] <paultag> dholbach: I want to help, but it's very very hard to get into a place where you can help
[16:08] <paultag> dholbach: I'll just stick upstream until things are calm down here
[16:08] <dholbach> calm down?
[16:09] <paultag> dholbach: it's before FF everyone's busy
[16:09] <dholbach> people are always busy
[16:09] <dholbach> did you try to get something sponsored into Ubuntu? did that work?
[16:09] <paultag> dholbach: No, I have not. I've always tried to do work up in Debian to avoid having package conflicts
[16:10] <dholbach> in any case that's a good way to get code reviewed and included in Ubuntu
[16:11] <dholbach> or you could have mailed one of the mailing lists
[16:11] <dholbach> ubuntu-motu-mentors@lists.u.c for example
[16:11] <paultag> dholbach: it's a very very minor change. I don't want to cause issues over such a small package, and such a minor change
[16:11] <paultag> dholbach: I was just trying to get stuff in order for 10.10
[16:12] <dholbach> and that's totally fine
[16:12] <dholbach> "things suck in ubuntu, my fixes might get in or not get in" is just not acceptable
[16:12] <dholbach> at least not for me
[16:12] <dholbach> I just tried to point out where you could've gotten help in other places
[16:13] <paultag> dholbach: no, it's cool. Don't worry about it, I'm over-reacting.
[16:13] <dholbach> paultag: please let me know how things go with the improvement you want to get in
[16:13] <dholbach> I'm sure we can make things better somewhere
[16:14] <paultag> dholbach: I will. It'll be upstream soonish, I'll see if I can make it in time for 10.10, not sure since I have to rewrite some of the build system, not that that's a big deal or anything
[16:14] <dholbach> I'll cross my fingers for you
[16:14] <paultag> thanks :)
[16:14] <Guest47605> alrighty, sorry for the delay dpm
[16:14] <Guest47605> logging in now
[16:15] <dpm> ok, all set Guest47605
[16:15] <highvoltage> moo
[16:27] <nigelb> highvoltage: meow
[16:37] <highvoltage>                 _
[16:37] <highvoltage>                 \`*-.
[16:37] <highvoltage>                  )  _`-.
[16:37] <highvoltage>                 .  : `. .  ... "Have you meowed today" ...
[16:37] <highvoltage>                 : _   '  \
[16:37] <highvoltage>                 ; *` _.   `*-._
[16:37] <highvoltage>                 `-.-'          `-.
[16:37] <highvoltage>                   ;       `       `.
[16:37] <highvoltage>                   :.       .        \
[16:37] <highvoltage>                   . \  .   :   .-'   .
[16:37] <highvoltage>                   '  `+.;  ;  '      :
[16:37] <highvoltage>                   :  '  |    ;       ;-.
[16:37] <highvoltage>                   ; '   : :`-:     _.`* ;
[16:37] <highvoltage>                .*' /  .*' ; .*`- +'  `*'
[16:37] <highvoltage>                `*-*   `*-*  `*-*'
[16:37]  * highvoltage goes out for lunch
[16:39] <czajkowski> feckin' cats
[16:46] <popey> awwwwwwww
[16:46] <czajkowski> there is no awww where cats are concerned mr. popey
[16:55] <Pendulum> kitty!
[16:58] <czajkowski> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIp77PUvLTE
[17:03] <nigelb> highvoltage: woo! pretty cat :)
[17:03]  * nigelb wonders what czajkowski has with cats.
[17:09] <dholbach> ok my friends - calling it a day over here
[17:09] <dholbach> have a good one and see you tomorrow!
[17:11] <scott-work> dholbach: re: xwax - you might also ask at #opensourcemusicians, great variety of people there
[17:11] <nigelb> who's used oholh with ubuntu? i.e. added ubuntu contributions...
[17:12] <dholbach> scott-work: ask what exactly?
[17:13] <scott-work> dholbach: weren't you having trouble with xwax drifting out of sync ?
[17:13] <dholbach> scott-work: it might be a kernel problem, so I'll try out a few and let abogani know which one it was
[17:15] <dholbach> scott-work: but thanks for the tip - I'll let you know too what I find out
[17:16] <scott-work> dholbach: good deal...sorry for the non sequitar
[17:19] <dholbach> no worries
[17:19] <dholbach> have a great day
[17:31]  * nigelb hugs paultag :)
[17:31]  * paultag hugs nigelb 
[17:31] <paultag> nigelb: sorry again :(
[17:31] <paultag> I was really out of line
[17:31] <nigelb> Nah, no issues.  Someday when I do something like that, I'd like you to talk to me too :)
[17:31] <paultag> you bet I would :)
[17:33] <paultag> back to writing this rendering engine that I don't want to it PHP :/
[17:33] <paultag> someone shoot me
[17:33] <paultag> in *
[17:35]  * nigelb suggests rails or django
[17:36] <paultag> nigelb: it's for BC, and they have not adopted python yet :/
[17:36] <nigelb> paultag: BC?
[17:37] <paultag> nigelb: I am using php-gd to write a rendering engine for the datacenter nodes
[17:37] <paultag> nigelb: boston college
[17:37] <nigelb> No wonder you're having a crappy day.
[17:37] <paultag> nigelb: that's not the half of it
[17:38]  * nigelb hugs paultag again :)
[17:38] <paultag> Anywho, this engine does color gradiants + alpha layers for temp maping over a static image
[17:38] <paultag> thanks nigelb :P
[17:39] <paultag> but php does not have a gradiant binding for gd, or even one that does a radial gradiant to transparent
[17:39] <paultag> so I have to write my own, wich means it was time to dig up graphics 101 notes
[17:40] <nigelb> paultag: ewwwwwwww
[17:40] <paultag> nigelb: it gets so much worse
[17:40] <paultag> Oh great
[17:41] <paultag> and pbuilder just failed my flux compile cstdlib:119: error: '::malloc' has not been declared, huzzah!
[17:41] <nigelb> I just talked to a friend.
[17:41] <nigelb> She's an engineer. She's going to write embedded code.
[17:41] <nigelb> Guess the OS ;)
[17:41] <paultag> nigelb: debian?
[17:42] <nigelb> fedora
[17:42] <paultag> nigelb: I used to do that, I did a ton with debian + arm
[17:42] <paultag> nigelb: oh noes!
[17:42] <nigelb> she's learning to write gcc :)
[17:42] <nigelb> (she was totally surprisd I heard of linux :/ )
[17:43] <paultag> nigelb: write gcc or gcc c ?
[17:43] <nigelb> paultag: gcc c!
[17:43] <paultag> :)
[17:43] <paultag> nigelb: you never know! one day ibuclaw though it was a good day to rewrite gdc, and now he maintains the whole thing
[17:43] <nigelb> lol
[17:44] <nigelb> yeah, I remember saying I was bored in #ubuntu-motu.  Now I lead reviewers team.
[17:44] <paultag> doh.
[17:45] <paultag> Oh joy, it's because my script was outputing junk to the cflags
[17:45] <paultag> today is going great!
[18:40] <czajkowski> I see we have a new release manager
[18:40] <czajkowski> Kate Stewart
[18:42] <Technoviking> dpm: ping
[18:42] <dpm> hey Technoviking, thanks for your reply on my e-mail today
[18:52] <Technoviking> dpm: no problem, I will see if I can get the rest of the FC to respond. also I set your forums name to dpm, someone had it, but it looked like a spammer account that was 4 year inactive.
[18:52] <dpm> Technoviking, awesome, thanks a lot
[18:52]  * dpm goes and supplants a spammer
[18:53] <Technoviking> bwhahaha!
[18:53] <dpm> :-)
[19:54] <akgraner> jono_,  less than 6 weeks to App Dev Week if I looked at my calendar correctly - you wanna go ahead and start talking about?
[19:56] <akgraner> let me know what you want me to do for it and I'll get started
[19:59] <jono_> akgraner, will do, otp now
[19:59] <czajkowski> #/win 42
[20:00] <akgraner> jono_, roger that!
[21:05] <Technoviking> jono_: one of my Android weild co woker asked me if you knew if Art of Community was going to be availible in a .apk format soon from O'Reilly?
[22:31] <akgraner> hey paul
[22:31] <akgraner> autotab fail grrrr
[22:31] <akgraner> hey paultag!  let me know when you want to yak and I'll grab headphones
[22:38] <paultag> akgraner: sure! It'll be a few, recovering from a melt-down :(
[22:38] <paultag> akgraner: I'll be ready in a few, just need to make sure the stuff is stable
[22:38] <akgraner> paultag, okie dokie :-)
[22:38] <czajkowski> waiting on a skype call
[22:39] <czajkowski> which may or may not happen tonight
[22:39] <czajkowski> bah
[22:40] <paultag> akgraner: gah, I don't want to keep you waiting -- work is hammering on me and I'm also trying to roll up a release for debian, is there any chance we can postpone this? ( or do it over email ), I'd really hate to give you my 10%, and that's all I have now :(
[22:40] <paultag> akgraner: it might be a while, some server issues :/
[22:41] <czajkowski> akgraner: wanna skype me instead
[22:41] <czajkowski> I'm way more fun than paultag
[22:41] <paultag> Oh pfft!
[22:41] <akgraner> paultag, no worries when ever...
[22:41] <paultag> akgraner: have time in the morning?
[22:41] <akgraner> czajkowski, sure let me get my headset...
[22:41] <czajkowski> paultag: hah :p
[22:41] <paultag> akgraner: I can do it like 10 AM in the morning
[22:41] <paultag> akgraner: if that works for you
[22:41] <akgraner> paultag, I will have time in the am  - from 5am to 730am then from 830am -till noonish
[22:41] <akgraner> 10am works great from me
[22:42] <paultag> akgraner: killer, we'll do that then
[22:42] <paultag> akgraner: sorry about putting you out, it'
[22:42] <paultag> it's just I did not expect issues :(
[22:43] <akgraner> paultag, no worries
[22:43]  * paultag hugs akgraner 
[22:43] <paultag> akgraner: thanks!
[22:46] <czajkowski> akgraner: are you gone to buy a headset!
[22:46] <akgraner> hehe no - I am ready now :-P
[22:47] <czajkowski> ring ring
[22:47] <czajkowski> :)
[23:30] <jono_> czajkowski, blogged the global jam
[23:30] <jono_> who else is lined up to blog it?
[23:51] <cjohnston> jono_: I can do one.. Do you want it on a certain day?
[23:59] <nhandler> jono_: I can do it if it is after next Thursday