| === Zeike is now known as brandonj | ||
| * jenkins 's inspiration for logos has gone :( | 00:07 | |
| ChrisWoollard_ | If anybody is available to have a look at bugs there are a few that need work. | 00:27 |
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| ChrisWoollard_ | Thanks | 00:27 |
| ChrisWoollard_ | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 00:27 |
| ChrisWoollard_ | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=In+Progress | 00:27 |
| ChrisWoollard_ | Thanks | 00:28 |
| jenkins | night all | 00:37 |
| === ubuntu_ is now known as Fedora | ||
| === Fedora is now known as Guest67079 | ||
| === Guest67079 is now known as Mandriva | ||
| === Mandriva is now known as sebsebseb3 | ||
| thorwil | good morning! | 07:58 |
| * humphreybc is writing up the UMP post now | 09:34 | |
| jenkins | could you slip in about people coming up with quickshot logo ideas? | 09:35 |
| humphreybc | sure thing | 09:35 |
| jenkins | thanks c:) | 09:35 |
| jenkins | * :) | 09:35 |
| jenkins | never seen that one before | 09:35 |
| vish | humphreybc: nice follow up! not easy writing those :) | 09:36 |
| humphreybc | heh | 09:36 |
| jenkins | we have two ideas now http://imagebin.org/108932 thanks to c7p's idea and http://imagebin.org/108933 my idea. Any thoughts anyone? | 10:01 |
| jenkins | obviously they are very rough mock ups I am not a desginer | 10:04 |
| humphreybc | http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/revving-up-the-ubuntu-manual-project-for-maverick/ | 10:11 |
| humphreybc | should hit the planet within the hour | 10:11 |
| thorwil | jenkins: well, there's still http://www.foopics.com/showfull/29e05de6df064b8ab12593f31414ba6d | 10:12 |
| jenkins | thanks thorwil I did not know where that had gone. I like the stack of screenshots | 10:14 |
| thorwil | heh, so i'm busy being myself | 10:15 |
| humphreybc | man i hate blogger | 10:25 |
| humphreybc | no offence, but all of those logo ideas are terrible | 10:29 |
| humphreybc | http://planet.ubuntu.com/ | 10:32 |
| ChrisWoollard | Nice mug shot | 10:33 |
| humphreybc | ta | 10:36 |
| ChrisWoollard | That is a nice post. Well done. | 10:36 |
| jenkins | humphreybc: none taken, they are the ones we have so far :) | 10:46 |
| jenkins | they are all mock ups rather than actual logos | 10:47 |
| bilalakhtar | humphreybc: hey | 11:01 |
| bilalakhtar | humphreybc: on your OMG! post, you mentioned tumbleweed | 11:02 |
| humphreybc | haha | 11:02 |
| humphreybc | do you have some to spread around? | 11:02 |
| bilalakhtar | ok | 11:02 |
| bilalakhtar | you meant that? | 11:02 |
| bilalakhtar | I thought | 11:02 |
| bilalakhtar | tumbleweed -> stefano rivera | 11:02 |
| bilalakhtar | just try | 11:02 |
| bilalakhtar | /whois tumbleweed | 11:02 |
| humphreybc | oh | 11:03 |
| humphreybc | no tumbleweed is that thing that bale of hay that blows around on western movies and cartoons | 11:03 |
| bilalakhtar | lol | 11:03 |
| popey | bilalakhtar: http://tumbleweed.popey.com/ | 11:04 |
| popey | for when someone cracks a joke that absolutely nobody finds funny | 11:05 |
| humphreybc | popey: how many of these do you have? | 11:05 |
| popey | often accompanied by a bell ringing in the distance | 11:05 |
| popey | too many :) | 11:05 |
| bilalakhtar | popey: Thanks for creating the subdomain | 11:08 |
| popey | its existed for a while | 11:10 |
| popey | 4 years in fact | 11:11 |
| b1ackcr0w | hi - im having trouble getting a touchscreen to work | 11:52 |
| b1ackcr0w | i've had it working before, but it's gone fail again :( | 11:53 |
| b1ackcr0w | im using lucid (mint9 - but the gubbins is the same under the hood) | 11:53 |
| b1ackcr0w | tried so far... | 11:54 |
| b1ackcr0w | install evtouch driver - installed, no worky | 11:54 |
| trijntje | b1ackcr0w, those questions should be asked in #ubuntu | 11:54 |
| b1ackcr0w | k | 11:54 |
| b1ackcr0w | sugar - thought i was in ubuntu-uk | 11:55 |
| trijntje | b1ackcr0w, no problem ;) | 11:57 |
| ChrisWoollard_ | Does anybody know how images are positioned in latex? | 14:10 |
| ChrisWoollard_ | I have noticed that the position of images in the tex files does not reflect exactly where they are actually displayed | 14:12 |
| daker | ChrisWoollard_, u should ask godbyk | 14:24 |
| ChrisWoollard_ | I will, but i don't think he is around | 14:24 |
| ChrisWoollard_ | thanks | 14:25 |
| daker | ChrisWoollard_, i am not able to answer you question :s | 14:25 |
| daker | nop | 14:25 |
| ChrisWoollard_ | np | 14:25 |
| godbyk | ChrisWoollard: The short answer is that LaTeX will put the images wherever it thinks they fit best given certain constraints. | 18:03 |
| ChrisWoollard | Ok. Hmmm. That could make things interesting. | 18:18 |
| ChrisWoollard | How would it know that? | 18:18 |
| ChrisWoollard | Sounds like after i have put the kids to bed i should commit my changes and show you what it has done. | 18:20 |
| godbyk | It has its ways. And they're not always sensible. :-) | 18:25 |
| === sonicbadger is now known as ChrisWoollard | ||
| jenkins | hey Muscovy you wanted to help with more editing etc | 22:07 |
| Muscovy | SOrry, gotta run! | 22:14 |
| ChrisWoollard | godbyk: can you have a look at page 53 (browsing the web). It appears that some text looks weird and also the homepage screenshot is in the wrong place. I cannot work out how to fix it. | 22:35 |
| godbyk | ChrisWoollard: Sure, I'll take a look. | 22:48 |
| ChrisWoollard | You are wonderful..... again (or still) | 22:48 |
| godbyk | ChrisWoollard: I'm guessint a margin note has been placed on top of the caption. | 22:51 |
| ChrisWoollard | how can you do that? | 22:51 |
| ChrisWoollard | I thought it placed things sequentially | 22:52 |
| godbyk | well the margin note and caption don't know about each other. and so latex is happy to place the text there. | 22:52 |
| c7p | night all | 22:54 |
| ChrisWoollard | can you fix it, because I don't know how. I am interested in learning how you do it though. | 22:54 |
| ChrisWoollard | night c7p | 22:54 |
| godbyk | ChrisWoollard: Yeah, I'm looking into it here. | 22:56 |
| ChrisWoollard | I like this Latex stuff, but it does seem to be complicated at times. | 22:56 |
| godbyk | Yeah, it can be complicated occasionally. | 22:58 |
| ChrisWoollard | is it in ubuntu-manual.cls where you define custom latex tags? | 22:59 |
| godbyk | Yeah. | 22:59 |
| ChrisWoollard | was \screenshot a regular latex option or is it something you defined. | 23:00 |
| godbyk | It's something that I defined. | 23:00 |
| godbyk | It's a shortcut for (effectively): \begin{figure} \includegraphics[scale=blah]{filename.png}\caption{Caption goes here...}\label{ss:labelname} \end{figure} | 23:01 |
| godbyk | It's actually a bit more complicated than that (since we're using a modified figure environment), but that's the gist of it. | 23:02 |
| ChrisWoollard | what does the ss: bit mean? or what does it relate to? | 23:03 |
| godbyk | It's just a prefix for the label name. | 23:03 |
| godbyk | I typically use sec: for sections, ch: for chapters, fig: for figures, tab: for tables, etc. | 23:04 |
| godbyk | So ss: for screenshots. | 23:04 |
| godbyk | Just to avoid name clashes. | 23:04 |
| ChrisWoollard | ok, that makes sense | 23:04 |
| Omega | Good day. | 23:05 |
| ChrisWoollard | evening | 23:06 |
| godbyk | Hello, Omega. | 23:06 |
| Omega | Who | 23:07 |
| Omega | Who's the head honcho around these parts, if I may ask? | 23:07 |
| ChrisWoollard | humphreybc is in charge | 23:08 |
| godbyk | Omega: Depends on what you're looking for. :) | 23:08 |
| Omega | Well, I have a few ideas, of how to make Ubuntu Manual easier to find. | 23:09 |
| godbyk | Cool. Fire away! | 23:09 |
| jenkins | hello Omega | 23:10 |
| Omega | If Ubuntu adds a sort of 'Welcome to Ubuntu' dialog that pops up after a fresh install, and it has Ubuntu Manual under a 'Usage Guide' or similar title, where the user may easily access it. | 23:10 |
| Omega | Linux Mint has that sort of thing. | 23:11 |
| godbyk | Do you know if Ubuntu is planning to add such a dialog? | 23:12 |
| Omega | Also, I'll probably be helping with Ubuntu Manual (I am already learning LaTeX (For my maths thesis)). | 23:12 |
| godbyk | ChrisWoollard: Pull the latest code and see if that looks better. | 23:12 |
| Omega | I do not sir. | 23:12 |
| jenkins | Omega: I like the idea the problem lies with the project not being official | 23:12 |
| ChrisWoollard | will do | 23:12 |
| godbyk | ChrisWoollard: Could you also look at around-desktop/around-desktop.tex? There's some merge markers in there (>>>> and the like) | 23:13 |
| jenkins | Omega: we look forward to the help | 23:13 |
| jenkins | there is the nice factoid | 23:13 |
| jenkins | !manual | Omega | 23:13 |
| ChrisWoollard | what do the merge marks | 23:14 |
| jenkins | well there would be if manualbot had not died :( | 23:14 |
| ChrisWoollard | do? | 23:14 |
| Omega | I'm not sure how your current LaTeX setup is, but, I use Gummi, it's the closest thing to a WYSIWYG LaTeX editor out there (which I heard you guys were interested in) | 23:14 |
| Omega | . | 23:14 |
| ChrisWoollard | what do you want me to ddo this them? | 23:14 |
| Omega | Oh, and I also program in Python. | 23:14 |
| ChrisWoollard | make | 23:14 |
| godbyk | ChrisWoollard: It's when someone pulled or committed code and bzr merged the changes because it couldn't resolve all of them. The expectation is that whoever merged the code should've sorted it out. | 23:15 |
| ChrisWoollard | oops, wrong window | 23:15 |
| godbyk | ChrisWoollard: So the markers should which bits of code are from the original file, which are from the new file, etc. | 23:15 |
| jenkins | Omega: we have looked at gummi I don't know if it handles the custom commands we use | 23:15 |
| jenkins | Omega: python that could be useful | 23:15 |
| Omega | What sort of custom commands are in use by the project? | 23:15 |
| ChrisWoollard | So you want me to read it and fix it where appropriate | 23:16 |
| Omega | I'm also fluent in Dutch (if you guys are translating to Dutch). | 23:16 |
| ChrisWoollard | I can do that | 23:16 |
| godbyk | ChrisWoollard: Basically, you'll have to look at both versions of the text, figure out which one to keep. | 23:16 |
| ChrisWoollard | np | 23:16 |
| jenkins | Omega: \screenshot is the only one I can think off of the top of my head, we do need help with dutch iirc | 23:16 |
| Omega | jenkins: What does said command do? | 23:16 |
| godbyk | Omega: It's basically a shortcut for inserting a figure. | 23:17 |
| ChrisWoollard | Jij spreakt Nederlands. | 23:17 |
| Omega | Less broken than that though :P. | 23:17 |
| ChrisWoollard | Waar komt jij? | 23:17 |
| godbyk | Omega: There are a number of other custom commands we use, too. Usually for semantic markup of GUI elements and the like. | 23:17 |
| jenkins | o yea all those as well | 23:18 |
| * jenkins remembers now | 23:18 | |
| godbyk | jenkins: And whatever random stuff I tossed in and have forgotten about. ;-) | 23:18 |
| jenkins | lol | 23:18 |
| jenkins | \menu{Applications \then sound and video \then banshee} | 23:18 |
| jenkins | that creates Applications > sound and video > banshee | 23:19 |
| Omega | godbyk: You can use custom commands in Gummi, there's even a dialog to add images. | 23:19 |
| Omega | Yeah, I think it'll work in Gummi. | 23:19 |
| ChrisWoollard | That reminds me | 23:19 |
| jenkins | that also reminded me of somethinf | 23:20 |
| ChrisWoollard | I have spotted a couple of times where you have \application{Application} \then{Something} | 23:21 |
| ChrisWoollard | that Application is bold bu Something isn't | 23:21 |
| godbyk | ChrisWoollard: That's odd. If Application is a menu item, then it should be \menu{Application\then Something} | 23:21 |
| godbyk | Example: Click \menu{XChat\then Quit} to exit \application{XChat}. | 23:22 |
| ChrisWoollard | That sounds like I found a bug | 23:22 |
| jenkins | flan_: as a VERY long term quickshot goal what about doing a plugin type feature so that projects can add custom functions to suit their needs. As always I have no clue how to do it :P | 23:22 |
| ChrisWoollard | I think it was also in browsing the web | 23:22 |
| jenkins | ChrisWoollard: probably someone who made some edits and was not familiar with it | 23:23 |
| * jenkins installs gummi | 23:23 | |
| Omega | It's extremely useful. | 23:23 |
| godbyk | ChrisWoollard: Looks like it: To start Firefox, click \menu{Applications}\then{Internet}\then{Firefox Web Browser}. | 23:23 |
| Omega | jenkins: ppa:gummi/gummi | 23:24 |
| Omega | If you want to keep up to date. | 23:24 |
| jenkins | thanks | 23:24 |
| jenkins | Omega: how do i get gummi to recognise custom commands ? | 23:26 |
| ChrisWoollard | godbyk: I think the firefox screenshot is now in the network manager section | 23:29 |
| godbyk | well, it's just at the top of the "Browsing the web" page. | 23:30 |
| godbyk | Everywhere else I tried putting it collided with margin notes. | 23:30 |
| godbyk | (people kinda went nuts with the margin notes.) | 23:31 |
| ChrisWoollard | delete some then | 23:32 |
| godbyk | ChrisWoollard: we can take another look at that screenshot again when the editing is finished and the text has settled down some. | 23:32 |
| Omega | jenkins: In what way? | 23:32 |
| godbyk | (if more text is added/removed, then the image may float someplace else). | 23:32 |
| jenkins | Omega: so that it will build it in the preview pane | 23:33 |
| ChrisWoollard | good point | 23:34 |
| Omega | \newcommand{\link}[2] % \link{url here}{text here} | 23:34 |
| Omega | {\href{#1}{\textcolor{blue}{\underline{#2}}}\footnote{\nolinkurl{#1}}} % keep on one line to prevent weird spacing | 23:34 |
| Omega | example | 23:34 |
| jenkins | ok I see how that works but our stuff is in about 20-30 different files so that would need to be specified at the start of each one for gummi to work. At least thats how I understand it | 23:36 |
| Omega | I have to leave now guys. | 23:37 |
| Omega | Cya. | 23:37 |
| godbyk | jenkins: I assume you'd have to open main.tex and compile that. | 23:37 |
| jenkins | cya Omega | 23:37 |
| jenkins | godbyk: i will try | 23:37 |
| jenkins | if i open main.tex I get two pages an this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/476161/ . building it with make is fine | 23:41 |
| godbyk | it's apparently not finding the files it needs to include. | 23:43 |
| godbyk | bsaically it needs to think of the directory containing main.tex as the current working directory. | 23:43 |
| jenkins | meh I am not bothered just thought i would check it out again | 23:45 |
| godbyk | brb | 23:56 |
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