[00:07]  * jenkins 's inspiration for logos has gone :(
[00:27] <ChrisWoollard_> If anybody is available to have a look at bugs there are a few that need work.
[00:27] <ChrisWoollard_> Thanks
[00:27] <ChrisWoollard_> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New
[00:27] <ChrisWoollard_> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=In+Progress
[00:28] <ChrisWoollard_> Thanks
[00:37] <jenkins> night all
[07:58] <thorwil> good morning!
[09:34]  * humphreybc is writing up the UMP post now
[09:35] <jenkins> could you slip in about people coming up with quickshot logo ideas?
[09:35] <humphreybc> sure thing
[09:35] <jenkins> thanks c:)
[09:35] <jenkins> * :)
[09:35] <jenkins> never seen that one before
[09:36] <vish> humphreybc: nice follow up! not easy writing those :)
[09:36] <humphreybc> heh
[10:01] <jenkins> we have two ideas now http://imagebin.org/108932 thanks to c7p's idea and http://imagebin.org/108933 my idea. Any thoughts anyone?
[10:04] <jenkins> obviously they are very rough mock ups I am not a desginer
[10:11] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/revving-up-the-ubuntu-manual-project-for-maverick/
[10:11] <humphreybc> should hit the planet within the hour
[10:12] <thorwil> jenkins: well, there's still http://www.foopics.com/showfull/29e05de6df064b8ab12593f31414ba6d
[10:14] <jenkins> thanks thorwil I did not know where that had gone. I like the stack of screenshots
[10:15] <thorwil> heh, so i'm busy being myself
[10:25] <humphreybc> man i hate blogger
[10:29] <humphreybc> no offence, but all of those logo ideas are terrible
[10:32] <humphreybc> http://planet.ubuntu.com/
[10:33] <ChrisWoollard> Nice mug shot
[10:36] <humphreybc> ta
[10:36] <ChrisWoollard> That is a nice post. Well done.
[10:46] <jenkins> humphreybc: none taken, they are the ones we have so far :)
[10:47] <jenkins> they are all mock ups rather than actual logos
[11:01] <bilalakhtar> humphreybc: hey
[11:02] <bilalakhtar> humphreybc: on your OMG! post, you mentioned tumbleweed
[11:02] <humphreybc> haha
[11:02] <humphreybc> do you have some to spread around?
[11:02] <bilalakhtar> ok
[11:02] <bilalakhtar> you meant that?
[11:02] <bilalakhtar> I thought
[11:02] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed -> stefano rivera
[11:02] <bilalakhtar> just try
[11:02] <bilalakhtar>  /whois tumbleweed
[11:03] <humphreybc> oh
[11:03] <humphreybc> no tumbleweed is that thing that bale of hay that blows around on western movies and cartoons
[11:03] <bilalakhtar> lol
[11:04] <popey> bilalakhtar: http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[11:05] <popey> for when someone cracks a joke that absolutely nobody finds funny
[11:05] <humphreybc> popey: how many of these do you have?
[11:05] <popey> often accompanied by a bell ringing in the distance
[11:05] <popey> too many :)
[11:08] <bilalakhtar> popey: Thanks for creating the subdomain
[11:10] <popey> its existed for a while
[11:11] <popey> 4 years in fact
[11:52] <b1ackcr0w> hi - im having trouble getting a touchscreen to work
[11:53] <b1ackcr0w> i've had it working before, but it's gone fail again :(
[11:53] <b1ackcr0w> im using lucid (mint9 - but the gubbins is the same under the hood)
[11:54] <b1ackcr0w> tried so far...
[11:54] <b1ackcr0w> install evtouch driver - installed, no worky
[11:54] <trijntje> b1ackcr0w, those questions should be asked in #ubuntu
[11:54] <b1ackcr0w> k
[11:55] <b1ackcr0w> sugar - thought i was in ubuntu-uk
[11:57] <trijntje> b1ackcr0w, no problem ;)
[14:10] <ChrisWoollard_> Does anybody know how images are positioned in latex?
[14:12] <ChrisWoollard_> I have noticed that the position of images in the tex files does not reflect exactly where they are actually displayed
[14:24] <daker> ChrisWoollard_, u should ask godbyk
[14:24] <ChrisWoollard_> I will, but i don't think he is around
[14:25] <ChrisWoollard_> thanks
[14:25] <daker> ChrisWoollard_, i am not able to answer you question :s
[14:25] <daker> nop
[14:25] <ChrisWoollard_> np
[18:03] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: The short answer is that LaTeX will put the images wherever it thinks they fit best given certain constraints.
[18:18] <ChrisWoollard> Ok. Hmmm. That could make things interesting.
[18:18] <ChrisWoollard> How would it know that?
[18:20] <ChrisWoollard> Sounds like after i have put the kids to bed i should commit my changes and show you what it has done.
[18:25] <godbyk> It has its ways.  And they're not always sensible. :-)
[22:07] <jenkins> hey Muscovy you wanted to help with more editing etc
[22:14] <Muscovy> SOrry, gotta run!
[22:35] <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: can you have a look at page 53 (browsing the web). It appears that some text looks weird and also the homepage screenshot is in the wrong place. I cannot work out how to fix it.
[22:48] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: Sure, I'll take a look.
[22:48] <ChrisWoollard> You are wonderful..... again (or still)
[22:51] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: I'm guessint a margin note has been placed on top of the caption.
[22:51] <ChrisWoollard> how can you do that?
[22:52] <ChrisWoollard> I thought it placed things sequentially
[22:52] <godbyk> well the margin note and caption don't know about each other.  and so latex is happy to place the text there.
[22:54] <c7p> night all
[22:54] <ChrisWoollard> can you fix it, because I don't know how. I am interested in learning how you do it though.
[22:54] <ChrisWoollard> night c7p
[22:56] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: Yeah, I'm looking into it here.
[22:56] <ChrisWoollard> I like this Latex stuff, but it does seem to be complicated at times.
[22:58] <godbyk> Yeah, it can be complicated occasionally.
[22:59] <ChrisWoollard> is it in ubuntu-manual.cls where you define custom latex tags?
[22:59] <godbyk> Yeah.
[23:00] <ChrisWoollard> was \screenshot a regular latex option or is it something you defined.
[23:00] <godbyk> It's something that I defined.
[23:01] <godbyk> It's a shortcut for (effectively): \begin{figure} \includegraphics[scale=blah]{filename.png}\caption{Caption goes here...}\label{ss:labelname} \end{figure}
[23:02] <godbyk> It's actually a bit more complicated than that (since we're using a modified figure environment), but that's the gist of it.
[23:03] <ChrisWoollard> what does the ss: bit mean? or what does it relate to?
[23:03] <godbyk> It's just a prefix for the label name.
[23:04] <godbyk> I typically use sec: for sections, ch: for chapters, fig: for figures, tab: for tables, etc.
[23:04] <godbyk> So ss: for screenshots.
[23:04] <godbyk> Just to avoid name clashes.
[23:04] <ChrisWoollard> ok, that makes sense
[23:05] <Omega> Good day.
[23:06] <ChrisWoollard> evening
[23:06] <godbyk> Hello, Omega.
[23:07] <Omega> Who
[23:07] <Omega> Who's the head honcho around these parts, if I may ask?
[23:08] <ChrisWoollard> humphreybc is in charge
[23:08] <godbyk> Omega: Depends on what you're looking for. :)
[23:09] <Omega> Well, I have a few ideas, of how to make Ubuntu Manual easier to find.
[23:09] <godbyk> Cool.  Fire away!
[23:10] <jenkins> hello Omega
[23:10] <Omega> If Ubuntu adds a sort of 'Welcome to Ubuntu' dialog that pops up after a fresh install, and it has Ubuntu Manual under a 'Usage Guide' or similar title, where the user may easily access it.
[23:11] <Omega> Linux Mint has that sort of thing.
[23:12] <godbyk> Do you know if Ubuntu is planning to add such a dialog?
[23:12] <Omega> Also, I'll probably be helping with Ubuntu Manual (I am already learning LaTeX (For my maths thesis)).
[23:12] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: Pull the latest code and see if that looks better.
[23:12] <Omega> I do not sir.
[23:12] <jenkins> Omega: I like the idea the problem lies with the project not being official
[23:12] <ChrisWoollard> will do
[23:13] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: Could you also look at around-desktop/around-desktop.tex? There's some merge markers in there (>>>> and the like)
[23:13] <jenkins> Omega:  we look forward to the help
[23:13] <jenkins> there is the nice factoid
[23:13] <jenkins> !manual | Omega
[23:14] <ChrisWoollard> what do the merge marks
[23:14] <jenkins> well there would be if manualbot had not died :(
[23:14] <ChrisWoollard> do?
[23:14] <Omega> I'm not sure how your current LaTeX setup is, but, I use Gummi, it's the closest thing to a WYSIWYG LaTeX editor out there (which I heard you guys were interested in)
[23:14] <Omega> .
[23:14] <ChrisWoollard> what do you want me to ddo this them?
[23:14] <Omega> Oh, and I also program in Python.
[23:14] <ChrisWoollard> make
[23:15] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: It's when someone pulled or committed code and bzr merged the changes because it couldn't resolve all of them.  The expectation is that whoever merged the code should've sorted it out.
[23:15] <ChrisWoollard> oops, wrong window
[23:15] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: So the markers should which bits of code are from the original file, which are from the new file, etc.
[23:15] <jenkins> Omega:  we have looked at gummi I don't know if it handles the custom commands we use
[23:15] <jenkins> Omega: python that could be useful
[23:15] <Omega> What sort of custom commands are in use by the project?
[23:16] <ChrisWoollard> So you want me to read it and fix it where appropriate
[23:16] <Omega> I'm also fluent in Dutch (if you guys are translating to Dutch).
[23:16] <ChrisWoollard> I can do that
[23:16] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: Basically, you'll have to look at both versions of the text, figure out which one to keep.
[23:16] <ChrisWoollard> np
[23:16] <jenkins> Omega:  \screenshot is the only one I can think off of the top of my head, we do need help with dutch iirc
[23:16] <Omega> jenkins: What does said command do?
[23:17] <godbyk> Omega: It's basically a shortcut for inserting a figure.
[23:17] <ChrisWoollard> Jij spreakt Nederlands.
[23:17] <Omega> Less broken than that though :P.
[23:17] <ChrisWoollard> Waar komt jij?
[23:17] <godbyk> Omega: There are a number of other custom commands we use, too.  Usually for semantic markup of GUI elements and the like.
[23:18] <jenkins> o yea all those as well
[23:18]  * jenkins remembers now
[23:18] <godbyk> jenkins: And whatever random stuff I tossed in and have forgotten about. ;-)
[23:18] <jenkins> lol
[23:18] <jenkins> \menu{Applications \then sound and video \then banshee}
[23:19] <jenkins> that creates  Applications > sound and video > banshee
[23:19] <Omega> godbyk: You can use custom commands in Gummi, there's even a dialog to add images.
[23:19] <Omega> Yeah, I think it'll work in Gummi.
[23:19] <ChrisWoollard> That reminds me
[23:20] <jenkins> that also reminded me of somethinf
[23:21] <ChrisWoollard> I have spotted a couple of times where you have \application{Application} \then{Something}
[23:21] <ChrisWoollard> that Application is bold bu Something isn't
[23:21] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: That's odd.  If Application is a menu item, then it should be \menu{Application\then Something}
[23:22] <godbyk> Example: Click \menu{XChat\then Quit} to exit \application{XChat}.
[23:22] <ChrisWoollard> That sounds like I found a bug
[23:22] <jenkins> flan_: as a VERY long term quickshot goal what about doing a plugin type feature so that projects can add custom functions to suit their needs. As always I have no clue how to do it :P
[23:22] <ChrisWoollard> I think it was also in browsing the web
[23:23] <jenkins> ChrisWoollard: probably someone who made some edits and was not familiar with it
[23:23]  * jenkins installs gummi
[23:23] <Omega> It's extremely useful.
[23:23] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: Looks like it: To start Firefox, click \menu{Applications}\then{Internet}\then{Firefox Web Browser}.
[23:24] <Omega> jenkins: ppa:gummi/gummi
[23:24] <Omega> If you want to keep up to date.
[23:24] <jenkins> thanks
[23:26] <jenkins> Omega: how do i get gummi to recognise custom commands ?
[23:29] <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: I think the firefox screenshot is now in the network manager section
[23:30] <godbyk> well, it's just at the top of the "Browsing the web" page.
[23:30] <godbyk> Everywhere else I tried putting it collided with margin notes.
[23:31] <godbyk> (people kinda went nuts with the margin notes.)
[23:32] <ChrisWoollard> delete some then
[23:32] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: we can take another look at that screenshot again when the editing is finished and the text has settled down some.
[23:32] <Omega> jenkins: In what way?
[23:32] <godbyk> (if more text is added/removed, then the image may float someplace else).
[23:33] <jenkins> Omega: so that it will build it in the preview pane
[23:34] <ChrisWoollard> good point
[23:34] <Omega> \newcommand{\link}[2] % \link{url here}{text here}
[23:34] <Omega> {\href{#1}{\textcolor{blue}{\underline{#2}}}\footnote{\nolinkurl{#1}}} % keep on one line to prevent weird spacing
[23:34] <Omega> example
[23:36] <jenkins> ok I see how that works but our stuff is in about 20-30 different files so that would need to be specified at the start of each one for gummi to work. At least thats how I understand it
[23:37] <Omega> I have to leave now guys.
[23:37] <Omega> Cya.
[23:37] <godbyk> jenkins: I assume you'd have to open main.tex and compile that.
[23:37] <jenkins> cya Omega
[23:37] <jenkins> godbyk:  i will try
[23:41] <jenkins> if i open main.tex I get two pages an this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/476161/ . building it with make is fine
[23:43] <godbyk> it's apparently not finding the files it needs to include.
[23:43] <godbyk> bsaically it needs to think of the directory containing main.tex as the current working directory.
[23:45] <jenkins> meh I am not bothered just thought i would check it out again
[23:56] <godbyk> brb