=== Zeike is now known as brandonj [00:07] * jenkins 's inspiration for logos has gone :( [00:27] If anybody is available to have a look at bugs there are a few that need work. [00:27] Thanks [00:27] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New [00:27] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=In+Progress [00:28] Thanks [00:37] night all === ubuntu_ is now known as Fedora === Fedora is now known as Guest67079 === Guest67079 is now known as Mandriva === Mandriva is now known as sebsebseb3 [07:58] good morning! [09:34] * humphreybc is writing up the UMP post now [09:35] could you slip in about people coming up with quickshot logo ideas? [09:35] sure thing [09:35] thanks c:) [09:35] * :) [09:35] never seen that one before [09:36] humphreybc: nice follow up! not easy writing those :) [09:36] heh [10:01] we have two ideas now http://imagebin.org/108932 thanks to c7p's idea and http://imagebin.org/108933 my idea. Any thoughts anyone? [10:04] obviously they are very rough mock ups I am not a desginer [10:11] http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/revving-up-the-ubuntu-manual-project-for-maverick/ [10:11] should hit the planet within the hour [10:12] jenkins: well, there's still http://www.foopics.com/showfull/29e05de6df064b8ab12593f31414ba6d [10:14] thanks thorwil I did not know where that had gone. I like the stack of screenshots [10:15] heh, so i'm busy being myself [10:25] man i hate blogger [10:29] no offence, but all of those logo ideas are terrible [10:32] http://planet.ubuntu.com/ [10:33] Nice mug shot [10:36] ta [10:36] That is a nice post. Well done. [10:46] humphreybc: none taken, they are the ones we have so far :) [10:47] they are all mock ups rather than actual logos [11:01] humphreybc: hey [11:02] humphreybc: on your OMG! post, you mentioned tumbleweed [11:02] haha [11:02] do you have some to spread around? [11:02] ok [11:02] you meant that? [11:02] I thought [11:02] tumbleweed -> stefano rivera [11:02] just try [11:02] /whois tumbleweed [11:03] oh [11:03] no tumbleweed is that thing that bale of hay that blows around on western movies and cartoons [11:03] lol [11:04] bilalakhtar: http://tumbleweed.popey.com/ [11:05] for when someone cracks a joke that absolutely nobody finds funny [11:05] popey: how many of these do you have? [11:05] often accompanied by a bell ringing in the distance [11:05] too many :) [11:08] popey: Thanks for creating the subdomain [11:10] its existed for a while [11:11] 4 years in fact [11:52] hi - im having trouble getting a touchscreen to work [11:53] i've had it working before, but it's gone fail again :( [11:53] im using lucid (mint9 - but the gubbins is the same under the hood) [11:54] tried so far... [11:54] install evtouch driver - installed, no worky [11:54] b1ackcr0w, those questions should be asked in #ubuntu [11:54] k [11:55] sugar - thought i was in ubuntu-uk [11:57] b1ackcr0w, no problem ;) [14:10] Does anybody know how images are positioned in latex? [14:12] I have noticed that the position of images in the tex files does not reflect exactly where they are actually displayed [14:24] ChrisWoollard_, u should ask godbyk [14:24] I will, but i don't think he is around [14:25] thanks [14:25] ChrisWoollard_, i am not able to answer you question :s [14:25] nop [14:25] np [18:03] ChrisWoollard: The short answer is that LaTeX will put the images wherever it thinks they fit best given certain constraints. [18:18] Ok. Hmmm. That could make things interesting. [18:18] How would it know that? [18:20] Sounds like after i have put the kids to bed i should commit my changes and show you what it has done. [18:25] It has its ways. And they're not always sensible. :-) === sonicbadger is now known as ChrisWoollard [22:07] hey Muscovy you wanted to help with more editing etc [22:14] SOrry, gotta run! [22:35] godbyk: can you have a look at page 53 (browsing the web). It appears that some text looks weird and also the homepage screenshot is in the wrong place. I cannot work out how to fix it. [22:48] ChrisWoollard: Sure, I'll take a look. [22:48] You are wonderful..... again (or still) [22:51] ChrisWoollard: I'm guessint a margin note has been placed on top of the caption. [22:51] how can you do that? [22:52] I thought it placed things sequentially [22:52] well the margin note and caption don't know about each other. and so latex is happy to place the text there. [22:54] night all [22:54] can you fix it, because I don't know how. I am interested in learning how you do it though. [22:54] night c7p [22:56] ChrisWoollard: Yeah, I'm looking into it here. [22:56] I like this Latex stuff, but it does seem to be complicated at times. [22:58] Yeah, it can be complicated occasionally. [22:59] is it in ubuntu-manual.cls where you define custom latex tags? [22:59] Yeah. [23:00] was \screenshot a regular latex option or is it something you defined. [23:00] It's something that I defined. [23:01] It's a shortcut for (effectively): \begin{figure} \includegraphics[scale=blah]{filename.png}\caption{Caption goes here...}\label{ss:labelname} \end{figure} [23:02] It's actually a bit more complicated than that (since we're using a modified figure environment), but that's the gist of it. [23:03] what does the ss: bit mean? or what does it relate to? [23:03] It's just a prefix for the label name. [23:04] I typically use sec: for sections, ch: for chapters, fig: for figures, tab: for tables, etc. [23:04] So ss: for screenshots. [23:04] Just to avoid name clashes. [23:04] ok, that makes sense [23:05] Good day. [23:06] evening [23:06] Hello, Omega. [23:07] Who [23:07] Who's the head honcho around these parts, if I may ask? [23:08] humphreybc is in charge [23:08] Omega: Depends on what you're looking for. :) [23:09] Well, I have a few ideas, of how to make Ubuntu Manual easier to find. [23:09] Cool. Fire away! [23:10] hello Omega [23:10] If Ubuntu adds a sort of 'Welcome to Ubuntu' dialog that pops up after a fresh install, and it has Ubuntu Manual under a 'Usage Guide' or similar title, where the user may easily access it. [23:11] Linux Mint has that sort of thing. [23:12] Do you know if Ubuntu is planning to add such a dialog? [23:12] Also, I'll probably be helping with Ubuntu Manual (I am already learning LaTeX (For my maths thesis)). [23:12] ChrisWoollard: Pull the latest code and see if that looks better. [23:12] I do not sir. [23:12] Omega: I like the idea the problem lies with the project not being official [23:12] will do [23:13] ChrisWoollard: Could you also look at around-desktop/around-desktop.tex? There's some merge markers in there (>>>> and the like) [23:13] Omega: we look forward to the help [23:13] there is the nice factoid [23:13] !manual | Omega [23:14] what do the merge marks [23:14] well there would be if manualbot had not died :( [23:14] do? [23:14] I'm not sure how your current LaTeX setup is, but, I use Gummi, it's the closest thing to a WYSIWYG LaTeX editor out there (which I heard you guys were interested in) [23:14] . [23:14] what do you want me to ddo this them? [23:14] Oh, and I also program in Python. [23:14] make [23:15] ChrisWoollard: It's when someone pulled or committed code and bzr merged the changes because it couldn't resolve all of them. The expectation is that whoever merged the code should've sorted it out. [23:15] oops, wrong window [23:15] ChrisWoollard: So the markers should which bits of code are from the original file, which are from the new file, etc. [23:15] Omega: we have looked at gummi I don't know if it handles the custom commands we use [23:15] Omega: python that could be useful [23:15] What sort of custom commands are in use by the project? [23:16] So you want me to read it and fix it where appropriate [23:16] I'm also fluent in Dutch (if you guys are translating to Dutch). [23:16] I can do that [23:16] ChrisWoollard: Basically, you'll have to look at both versions of the text, figure out which one to keep. [23:16] np [23:16] Omega: \screenshot is the only one I can think off of the top of my head, we do need help with dutch iirc [23:16] jenkins: What does said command do? [23:17] Omega: It's basically a shortcut for inserting a figure. [23:17] Jij spreakt Nederlands. [23:17] Less broken than that though :P. [23:17] Waar komt jij? [23:17] Omega: There are a number of other custom commands we use, too. Usually for semantic markup of GUI elements and the like. [23:18] o yea all those as well [23:18] * jenkins remembers now [23:18] jenkins: And whatever random stuff I tossed in and have forgotten about. ;-) [23:18] lol [23:18] \menu{Applications \then sound and video \then banshee} [23:19] that creates Applications > sound and video > banshee [23:19] godbyk: You can use custom commands in Gummi, there's even a dialog to add images. [23:19] Yeah, I think it'll work in Gummi. [23:19] That reminds me [23:20] that also reminded me of somethinf [23:21] I have spotted a couple of times where you have \application{Application} \then{Something} [23:21] that Application is bold bu Something isn't [23:21] ChrisWoollard: That's odd. If Application is a menu item, then it should be \menu{Application\then Something} [23:22] Example: Click \menu{XChat\then Quit} to exit \application{XChat}. [23:22] That sounds like I found a bug [23:22] flan_: as a VERY long term quickshot goal what about doing a plugin type feature so that projects can add custom functions to suit their needs. As always I have no clue how to do it :P [23:22] I think it was also in browsing the web [23:23] ChrisWoollard: probably someone who made some edits and was not familiar with it [23:23] * jenkins installs gummi [23:23] It's extremely useful. [23:23] ChrisWoollard: Looks like it: To start Firefox, click \menu{Applications}\then{Internet}\then{Firefox Web Browser}. [23:24] jenkins: ppa:gummi/gummi [23:24] If you want to keep up to date. [23:24] thanks [23:26] Omega: how do i get gummi to recognise custom commands ? [23:29] godbyk: I think the firefox screenshot is now in the network manager section [23:30] well, it's just at the top of the "Browsing the web" page. [23:30] Everywhere else I tried putting it collided with margin notes. [23:31] (people kinda went nuts with the margin notes.) [23:32] delete some then [23:32] ChrisWoollard: we can take another look at that screenshot again when the editing is finished and the text has settled down some. [23:32] jenkins: In what way? [23:32] (if more text is added/removed, then the image may float someplace else). [23:33] Omega: so that it will build it in the preview pane [23:34] good point [23:34] \newcommand{\link}[2] % \link{url here}{text here} [23:34] {\href{#1}{\textcolor{blue}{\underline{#2}}}\footnote{\nolinkurl{#1}}} % keep on one line to prevent weird spacing [23:34] example [23:36] ok I see how that works but our stuff is in about 20-30 different files so that would need to be specified at the start of each one for gummi to work. At least thats how I understand it [23:37] I have to leave now guys. [23:37] Cya. [23:37] jenkins: I assume you'd have to open main.tex and compile that. [23:37] cya Omega [23:37] godbyk: i will try [23:41] if i open main.tex I get two pages an this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/476161/ . building it with make is fine [23:43] it's apparently not finding the files it needs to include. [23:43] bsaically it needs to think of the directory containing main.tex as the current working directory. [23:45] meh I am not bothered just thought i would check it out again [23:56] brb