[00:00] <Cakester> maco, please unban. what hoober did is nothing compared to how my dad just went
[00:00] <Pici> Cakester: What channel are you asking about?
[00:01] <Cakester> #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:04] <Pici> Cakester: Do you recall why you were banned from those channels?
[00:05] <Cakester> yes, and i don't want it to happen again. i had a terrible day today. someone treated me in real life as bad and maybe worse depending on your perspective
[00:06] <bazhang> also in -women
[00:06] <IdleOne> for that ban he will have to go to -irc
[00:07] <bazhang> yep
[00:07] <elky> The -women one isn't being lifted until we see evidence of a drastic improvement in behaviour
[00:07] <bazhang> it's only been 48 hrs afaict
[00:13] <IdleOne> as far as I am concerned, I won't remove the ban in #ubuntu. I don't believe you understand how disgusting and inappropriate your behavior was.
[00:14] <TELL0_> hello!!!
[00:15] <TELL0_> someone here know how to run two instances of AWN at the same time?
[00:15] <IdleOne> TELL0_: this is not a support channel
[00:16] <TELL0_> where can I go?
[00:17] <maco> Cakester: i have placed no bans on you that i know of
[00:17] <IdleOne> TELL0_: you can try #awn
[00:17] <TELL0_> thank u
[00:18] <Pici> TELL0_: You were forwarded here due to your behavior in #ubuntu.
[00:18] <TELL0_> ???
[00:18] <TELL0_> I came here by my own way
[00:19] <Pici> TELL0_: This is #ubuntu-ops, not #ubuntu
[00:19] <TELL0_> I though here I could find some help... I'm new using XChat, dont know how it work...
[00:20] <Pici> TELL0_: We forced a redirection from #ubuntu to #ubuntu-ops due to your behavior the last time you left #ubuntu.
[00:20] <Pici> Perhaps this will ring a bell: "2010-08-06T16:54:08 <KernelCrash23> I came here for help and I got nothing. Stupid geeks... FUCK THAT!!!"
[00:21] <TELL0_> sorry about that... was a bad day and nobody help me
[00:22] <TELL0_> I was just getting sarcasm from people
[00:25] <Pici> TELL0_: May I ask you to review the IRC Guidelines listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines before I remove the banforward?
[00:26] <TELL0_> checking
[00:31] <TELL0_> done... I'm sorry about the last time
[00:31] <TELL0_> I'm not like that
[00:31] <Pici> TELL0_: one moment.
[00:32] <Pici> TELL0_: Okay, you're all set.
[00:33] <TELL0_> thank you Pici. I'm new here and starting usin IRC
[00:33] <Pici> TELL0_: Just keep our guidelines in mind and you should be fine.
[00:34] <TELL0_> I didn't meant doing that, but I was looking for help and I was getting sarcasm from people that "know"
[00:34] <TELL0_> I'll keep guidelines in mine from now on
[00:34] <TELL0_> thank you
[00:37] <bazhang> Cakester, you recall why you were banned? did you wish to resolve this? if not then please don't idle here
[00:42] <Cakester> bazhang, i am sorry i was discussing the incident i had today with my parents
[00:43] <Cakester> bazhang, i was banned for being a vulgar loose canon (cannon?)
[00:56] <Cakester> is this volunteer work
[00:56] <Cakester> can i become an OP. as you all seem to have your hands full
[00:56] <Cakester> and doing nothing :`(
[00:57] <Cakester> IdleOne, you come here often?
[00:59] <Cakester> whoa
[00:59] <Cakester> jayne is herE? Hey Jayne
[00:59] <Cakester> this is the guy from #windows that one night. i talked about a girl i met on diablo 1
[00:59] <Cakester> you gave me help
[01:00] <Cakester> hello?
[01:11] <Cakester> Pici?
[01:14] <Seeker`> Cakester: I'm not familiar with what happened, so I cannot remove the ban
[01:14] <Seeker`> but based on the statements made earlier by other ops, I suggest that you leave this channel for at least another 24 hours
[01:15] <Seeker`> Cakester: and then speak with the op that banned you
[01:16] <Cakester> what no way
[01:16] <Cakester> another 24
[01:16] <Cakester> that would be like 4 days
[01:16] <Cakester> which is not 72 hours
[01:17] <Seeker`> bazhang said it was only 48 hours
[01:17] <Seeker`> and that was about an hour ago
[01:17] <Seeker`> 48+1 != 72
[01:20] <Cakester> what
[01:20] <Cakester> this morning
[01:20] <Cakester> at 1am
[01:20] <Seeker`> -23:07:39- :bazhang+: it's only been 48 hrs afaict
[01:20] <Cakester> i had 48 hours done
[01:20] <Cakester> so at 1am
[01:20] <Cakester> tomorrow
[01:20] <Cakester> i am 72 ?
[01:20] <Seeker`> that was 1 hour 10 mins ago
[01:21] <Cakester> he/she is wrong. it has been 2 days for sure
[01:21] <Cakester> and now it is 8:22 pm
[01:21] <Cakester> i am  close to my 3 days i thought
[01:21] <Seeker`> IdleOne and Flannel set the bans, as far as I'm concerned, they are the ones that need to remove them
[01:22] <Cakester> IdleOne, stop being a idle and exit your python IDLE
[01:22] <Cakester> pleaes
[01:22] <Seeker`> Flannel is afk, and has been for a long time
[01:23] <Seeker`> IdleOne has been away for over an hour
[01:23] <Seeker`> Like I said, I suggest you leave this channel for now
[01:28] <Seeker`> Have fun with that one, whoever wakes up next
[01:29] <Seeker`> o/
[01:51] <maco> ughhh cakester is in -bugs now
[01:54] <elky> Seeker`, Oh I won't be having fun. He clearly has no intention to be sensible, so I have no intention of enabling him to be not-sensible in more places than is really necessary.
[02:21] <androidrocks135> what does it take to get banned over here?
[03:43] <bazhang> seems to be just trolling in -bugs
[03:49] <elky> Our decision is made for us.
[03:52] <IdleOne> he will be back here in about 2 hours looking to have his bans removed
[03:52] <IdleOne> I have sen to reason to remove the ban.
[03:53] <IdleOne> seen*
[03:55] <bazhang> no reason I guess you mean
[03:56] <IdleOne> err
[03:56] <IdleOne> yeah
[03:56] <IdleOne> seen NO reason
[04:23] <androidrocks135> hi
[04:23] <bazhang> hi
[04:23] <androidrocks135> What does it take to get banned?
[04:23] <bazhang> that is an odd question
[04:24] <androidrocks135> I'm interested.
[04:24] <IdleOne> androidrocks135: the langfauge you used in #ubuntu is a good example
[04:24] <IdleOne> language*
[04:24] <androidrocks135> awesome.  I might try that now.
[04:24] <bazhang> ?
[04:25] <IdleOne> I banned him for swearing after giving him a !language and !attitude
[04:25] <IdleOne> guess he finds it amusing to come here and ask how to get banned
[04:25] <bazhang> not sure how he could 'try it' then
[04:26] <IdleOne> me either
[04:26] <IdleOne> I thought he meant he was going to try in this channe;
[04:26] <IdleOne> channel
[04:37] <magn3ts> Hello. I feel that this needs to be placed in a factoid or somewhere that is easy for people to find, particularly when googling. This was very frustrating and I can't really come to understand how this information didn't exist in a more easily consumable form until now, considering that ubuntu ships this as a user usable feature: http://cole.mickens.us/2010/08/09/manual-data-recovery-with-ecryptfs-and-ubuntu/
[04:45] <IdleOne> magn3ts: I suggest creating a page at help.ubuntu.com and then resubmitting as a factoid to ubottu
[05:13] <Cakester> hello
[05:14] <Cakester> this is hoober, 72 hours have past, yes?
[05:14] <Cakester> passed
[05:14] <Cakester> for sure
[05:15] <Cakester> um
[05:21] <Cakester> Do you need my Fingerprint or Key type/ID
[05:22] <IdleOne> for what purpose?
[05:22] <Cakester> verification
[05:22] <Cakester> I also signed the code of conduct
[05:22] <IdleOne> What made you decide to sign the code of conduct?
[05:23] <Cakester> In school we had Code of Conducts. When read the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, I couldn't help but to agree
[05:24] <IdleOne> Cakester: Could you tell me exactly why you were banned in #ubuntu?
[05:25] <Cakester> I found it! https://launchpad.net/~bryan-r59
[05:26] <IdleOne> Cakester: Could you tell me exactly why you were banned in #ubuntu?
[05:26] <Cakester> IdleOne, my name was Hoober. I was banned for extreme vulgarity and being a loose canon (cannon?)
[05:27] <IdleOne> You posted a link to a picture of a naked man and at the bottom of the picture was your nickname ( Hoober)
[05:27] <Cakester> I did not do that
[05:28] <IdleOne> you clearly knew that it was not appropriate because you had been banned in #ubuntu-women for the same reason.
[05:28] <Cakester> No sir. That was another man
[05:28] <Cakester> He had a similar host I believe, but they should not be exactly the same
[05:28] <IdleOne> Cakester: it was either you or someone you asked to do it for you.
[05:29] <Cakester> I was in communication with some people in another IRC, when I wanted to talk to them about the situation I got into, they only made it worse and i am sorry
[05:30] <IdleOne> Cakester: Do you understand what Signing the code of conduct means?
[05:30] <Cakester> Yes I agreed to the terms in the text file I downloaded
[05:31] <IdleOne> I understand that you agreed to the terms and signed it but I would like you to tell me in your own words what it means
[05:31] <Cakester> The stuff between the '''   '''
[05:31] <Cakester> ok
[05:32] <Cakester> It means resolve situations respectfully, work as a team, know when to be humble?
[05:33] <IdleOne> Do you believe the your behavior in the past 4 days is compliant to the code of conduct?
[05:33] <Cakester> I don't see how signing the code of conduct could not help me be a better developer
[05:33] <Cakester> ok um
[05:33] <Cakester> well I do not want to repeat the behavior that took place over the past 4 days again.. ever
[05:34] <Cakester> The law is written there in the code of conduct, one does not simply lose his principles after agreeing to that
[05:35] <IdleOne> What I am trying to get to is that in the past 4 days you managed to be banned in 3 Ubuntu irc channels, you harassed at least one person on irc that I know of, by following the person into more then one channel and specifically targeting her with questions and by sending pm's.
[05:36] <IdleOne> you also did not take the advice of several ops in this channel and wait the full 72 hours as requested before coming back here
[05:36] <Cakester> Honestly, I ran into Maco more because she was in most of the channels
[05:37] <bazhang> hard to believe
[05:37] <Cakester> i must be an hour or two away
[05:37] <IdleOne> I think it is commendable that you signed the code of conduct and I hope that you take it serious. At this time I don't feel that is enough to remove the ban in #ubuntu.
[05:38] <IdleOne> Cakester: before you leave...
[05:38] <Cakester> ?
[05:39] <IdleOne> I would like to see you prove to us that you have changed your ways.
[05:40] <Cakester> ok accomplishments? I wrote a tutorial last night
[05:40] <IdleOne> We all make mistakes, hopefully you will learn from this and become a productive member of the community
[05:40] <IdleOne> Right now I can't remove the ban. Sorry.
[05:41] <Cakester> ok that leaves me more time to do work than chat then
[05:41] <IdleOne> That is a good way to look at it.
[05:42] <IdleOne> As for the ban in #ubuntu-offtopic you will have to speak with Flannel when he is online/active
[05:42] <Cakester> In this channel Flannel will handle it?
[05:43] <IdleOne> correct
[05:45] <IdleOne> Cakester: Can you please part this channel now.
[05:45] <Cakester> i must go eat programmer food now.
[05:47] <IdleOne> hmm <Cakester> i must be an hour or two away   <-- what does that mean ?
[05:48] <bazhang> from 72 hours
[05:48] <IdleOne> oh
[05:48] <bazhang> as far as I'm concerned, coming back a few hours later and starting the stalking anew reset that
[05:49] <IdleOne> I don't think I will be removing the ban anytime soon. His behavior was more then just unacceptable it was creepy and scary
[05:50] <bazhang> in the extreme
[05:50] <IdleOne> I will have to talk about it with my mentor
[05:50] <bazhang> signing a coc after the fact won't magically erase that; afaict he wants to use it just to continue
[05:51] <bazhang> never saw any actual support issue type statements from him
[05:51] <IdleOne> that is the feeling I get also
[05:51] <bazhang> ie before he was banned
[06:09] <bazhang> advice in where to redirect cakester for help creating a wiki with his 'interests and skills' ? he's asking in -bugs
[06:36] <elky> wikia
[07:13] <Flannel> Seeker`: I haven't been AFK for that long
[07:34] <Cakester> My friends list says Flannel is online
[08:15] <ikonia> Cakester: let me cut to the chase for you as you're not getting it
[08:16] <Cakester> oh hello
[08:16] <Cakester> are you Flannel
[08:16] <ikonia> Cakester: youre bahviour constantly talking about job interviews, what your did did, and random comments is of no interest or relevance to the ubuntu channels, until you can control yourself you will not be unbanned from the ubuntu channels
[08:16] <ikonia> no I'm not flannel.
[08:16] <Cakester> ikonia, i had this workedo ut
[08:16] <ikonia> Cakester you had what worked out ?
[08:17] <Cakester> I talked to an OP that said he likes my changes, but i need to try harder to show my behavior better
[08:17] <ikonia> no you didn't
[08:17] <Cakester> unrelated, i have to talk to Flannel
[08:17] <ikonia> Cakester: he is not active at this time,
[08:17] <Cakester> ok
[08:17] <ikonia> please leave the chanel and wait for him to be active,
[08:21] <IdleOne> hmm seems he takes only the bits and peaces of conversations
[08:21] <IdleOne> drops the parts that don't suit the situation
[08:21] <ikonia> because he's trolling
[08:22] <ikonia> council - why do we have #ubuntu-beginners-team as "another" offtopic channel
[09:26] <ikonia> can someone with ops in #ubuntu-server please remove and now ban Ongavezyr it's balzac again trolling
[09:39] <ikonia> why is -server never staffed
[10:03] <jpds> ikonia: He's speaking German to you.
[10:04] <ikonia> I'm ignoring him
[10:04] <ikonia> fed up with the lack of staffing
[10:24] <topyli> @login
[10:24] <topyli> @btlogin
[10:46] <ikonia> topyli: can you please assist in #ubuntu-server
[10:47] <topyli> i'm there now
[10:47] <topyli> saw him asking for you
[10:47] <ikonia> can you please remove / ban Ongavezyr
[10:47] <ikonia> he's a serial troll, enough is enough
[10:51] <ikonia> for gods sake, he's calling me a "bad jew brother"
[10:51] <ikonia> what point is someone going to step in
[10:51] <ikonia> topyli: please change that to a ban
[10:51] <ikonia> the guy is in BT 20+ times
[10:52] <ikonia> he was kicked from -server yesterday
[10:52] <topyli> it is a ban
[10:52] <ikonia> thank you
[10:52] <ikonia> just saw, thank you
[10:53] <jpds> Hmm; British Telecom.
[10:53] <ikonia> jpds: problems ?
[10:53] <topyli> perhaps there really aren't enough ops on -server
[10:54] <topyli> (i'm never there so i don't have a feel)
[10:54] <ikonia> topyli: agreed, I've submitted a request to the LP group
[10:54] <topyli> good
[10:58] <ikonia> now getting abuse in pm, just ignoring it
[10:58] <bazhang> same
[10:58] <bazhang> ola bruder then etc etc
[11:01] <ikonia> penguin fucker
[11:01] <ikonia> etc
[11:01] <ikonia> you must die
[11:01] <ikonia> etc
[11:01] <knome> nice!
[11:01] <topyli> very
[11:06] <jpds> Impressive.
[11:07] <knome> very creative.
[13:27] <r3c4ll> hi everybody
[13:28] <ikonia> hello
[13:28] <r3c4ll> someone can test manually about DCCExploit?
[13:28] <ikonia> have you done the test in #ubuntu-read-topic ?
[13:28] <r3c4ll> i do the second fix (change the port in my xchat to 8001)
[13:28] <r3c4ll> yes
[13:29] <ikonia> can you please join and try now
[13:29] <r3c4ll> i do the test me but it dosen't work
[13:29] <ikonia> please do it now
[13:29] <r3c4ll> ok i'll
[13:31] <r3c4ll> ikonia, not work :(
[13:31] <ikonia> r3c4ll: you've not typed "test me" in the cahnnel
[13:31] <ikonia> channel even
[13:32] <Pici> Yes he did./
[13:32] <ikonia> why can't I see that ?
[13:32] <Pici> Its +mk
[13:32] <Pici> er, +mz
[13:32] <ikonia> ahh, I've just opped, thank you
[13:32] <ikonia> thanks Pici
[13:32] <Pici> r3c4ll: What IRC client are you using?
[13:37] <ikonia> hello fujisan
[13:38] <fujisan> hi
[13:38] <ikonia> how can we help today ?
[13:38] <fujisan> i was wondering how come i can't enter ubuntu-uk
[13:38] <ikonia> you may want to ask in #ubuntu-irc as that's the channel that controls #ubuntu-uk
[13:39] <fujisan> ok ty
[13:45] <Pici> ikonia: fyi, I gave you +O in -read-topic.
[13:45] <ikonia> saw it, thanks
[13:46] <Pici> Oh, right, forgot.
[13:46] <ikonia> appreciated
[15:18] <Pici> jussi: Please get rid of that ^
[15:21] <ikonia> ughh
[17:05] <Pici> We can leave that, it was zewb.
[17:06] <jpds> Pici: Get rid of/leave it, please make up your mind.
[17:06] <Pici> :P
[17:40] <ikonia> that's getting really annoying now
[18:56] <Seeker`> Flannel: -00:22:37- [freenode] ~s~  away     : I'm detatched.  Leave a message, I'll get back to you.
[18:56] <Seeker`> -00:22:37- [freenode] ~s~  idle     : 0 days 17 hours 4 mins 16 secs signon: Mon Aug  2 11:43:00 2010
[18:56] <Seeker`> -00:22:37- [freenode] ~s~  account  : Flannel
[18:56] <Seeker`> -00:22:37- [freenode] ~s~ End of WHOIS
[19:05]  * popey wonders if irc could do with some kind of reward system that the bots kept a track of. whereby someone who has been helped can !thank <nick> and that gets recorded
[19:05] <popey> or not?
[19:06] <maco> popey: supybot has a karma plugin
[19:06] <knome> irc could not do that, people could.
[19:06] <popey> okay, pedantry aside, people could do with... etc what i said before
[19:06] <knome> ;)
[19:06] <highvoltage> people still use supybot!?
[19:07] <highvoltage> I guess supybot -> ibit migration isn't working yet
[19:07] <popey> when you look at things like the forums, launchpad answers and that new stackexchange site, they all thrive to some degree on reward
[19:07] <popey> but irc helpers tend to go very much unnoticed
[19:07] <popey> :(
[19:07] <popey> well, noticed by some, but not visibly
[19:07] <IdleOne> popey: if those !thanks could some how be counted as karma and added to LP
[19:07] <maco> i thought the "thanks" plugin was removed on the forums
[19:08] <popey> maco: there are other things too to measure contributions
[19:08] <maco> many of the plugins were disabled because the server's been on last-legs for a year or two now
[19:08] <popey> not just the thank button
[19:08] <knome> popey, what would be even more kewl, was if that all those rewards could be combined, and the total karma would appear on LP
[19:08] <popey> yeah, that too would be neat
[19:08] <IdleOne> knome +1 and ^5
[19:08] <maco> IdleOne: do you hear an echo?
[19:08] <IdleOne> maco: I do but I thought it was just me
[19:10] <IdleOne> I think it would be best if the whole !thankyou system was invisible
[19:10] <IdleOne> to avoid spam in the channels and tampering
[19:10] <popey> its also hard for newbs to even know this existed
[19:11] <popey> and people would game it with "Don't forget to !thank me! :D :D :D :D"
[19:11] <Pici> Sounds annoying already.
[19:11] <IdleOne> popey: that is why I suggest it to be invisible, bot could look for thank you $nick and record it quietly
[19:12] <popey> heh
[19:12]  * popey wonders if this could somehow be automated
[19:12] <popey> grabbing karma from launchpad, forum stats, stackexchange (etc), logs from #ubuntu...
[19:13] <IdleOne> don't forget shapado
[19:14] <Seeker`> how can you tell the difference between someoe being useful and someone attempting to be useful but accidentally wiping all of someones data?
[19:14] <Seeker`> (based on log scanning(
[19:14] <IdleOne> the helpee is the one who gives the thanks
[19:15] <IdleOne> bot wouldn't be looking for help given/received only the thanks
[19:16] <IdleOne> if thank you = do nothing  if thank you very much = do nothing  if thank you Seeker` = +1_karma
[19:17]  * popey just grepped for > thank in #ubuntu
[19:17] <popey> still chugging away
[19:17] <popey> alan@bishop:~$ grep -i  "> thank" irclogs/freenode/#ubuntu.log | wc -l
[19:17] <popey> 23873
[19:17] <popey> :)
[19:17] <IdleOne> if thank you Seeker` you killed my system = +10_karma :P
[19:17] <popey> :D
[19:17] <Pici> LjL had written something a long time ago to graph thanks $user instances.
[19:35] <popey> maybe I should put a spec/blueprint together and we could talk about this at an irc council meeting and maybe uds?
[19:35] <popey> unless people think its silly?
[19:35] <popey> (which I'm willing to accept it might be)
[19:37] <knome> it's not silly. i think it's great and a very welcome addition, being a hardcore irc user (supporter).
[19:37] <Pici> I think we've discussed it in the past, but I'd be willing to talk about it again.
[19:42] <charlie-tca> Worth another try, yes
[19:42] <charlie-tca> We finally got karma for testing, didn't we? We just got to keep trying
[20:43] <jussi> popey: kubotu already has this feature, except it doesnt get printed anywhere, you can just see how much karma one has by asking the bot. Im pretty sure its easily portable/ rewriteable, but question is do we really want that? will it create people asking for someone to thank them, thus creating more lines of unneeded chat?
[20:44] <jussi> (Im not saying its bad, but just asking the questions and trying to spot possible downfalls)
[21:11] <guntbert> Hi friendly ops: my edit request (yesterday) for fixing a broken link in !releases seems to have been overlooked
[21:41] <knome> guntbert, afaik it's being discussed.
[21:42] <guntbert> knome: discussed? fixing a broken link? but ok, thx for your response
[21:43] <knome> guntbert, the situation in general, and what to link to, and should something else be changed
[21:45] <guntbert> knome: I see -- I only thought replacing it with a working one is no big change - but I don't want to bicker - have a nice time :-)
[21:45] <knome> you too