[01:51] <claydoh> might it be wise to note that some packages that seem to be important (kdepimlibs) will be removed when upgrading to 4.5?
[01:51] <claydoh> on the website that is
[01:54] <Riddell> claydoh: kdepimlibs won't be removed, it'll be upgraded
[01:54] <Riddell> it's been split up is the change
[01:54] <claydoh> Riddell: what about libkontactinterface.so.4?
[01:55] <Riddell> libkontactinterface4 is the package for you
[01:56] <claydoh> :) found it, and libakonadi-contact4
[01:56] <yofel> hm, upgrading my lucid vm to 4.5 removed ktorrent :/
[01:57]  * claydoh forgot that this happened back in betas
[01:57] <Riddell> yofel: ktorrent is in the PPA
[01:58] <Riddell> yofel: hmm, or maybe not
[01:59] <yofel> it seems 4.0.1-1ubuntu1~lucid2~ppa1 is in the ppa
[01:59] <yofel> but that has a missing dependency on libktorrent1 (>= 1.0.1)
[02:01] <Riddell> yofel: libktorrent copied over, should appear in a minute
[02:18] <ScottK> It would have been nice if KDE could have finished building before builds got broken again by the qt4-x11 upload.
[08:13] <Mamarok> congrats for KDE 4.5, upgrade went flawlessly :)
[08:14] <alvin> aptitude alarms me about broken packages since the upgrade: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/9uv2UqNJ
[08:14] <alvin> has it already finishes uploading?
[08:14] <alvin> s/finishes/finished
[08:15] <alvin> Do I have to remove some packages before upgrading?
[08:15] <jussi> alvin: thats not correct, we had that issue yesterday, but it was fixed. have you done "sudo apt-get udate"
[08:15] <jussi> alvin: thats not correct, we had that issue yesterday, but it was fixed. have you done "sudo apt-get update"
[08:15] <alvin> I just did, yes
[08:15] <jussi> hrm
[08:15] <alvin> jussi: Just did it again. Same result. Let me check another computer
[08:15] <jussi> it shouldnt be removing those packages. which ppa are you using?
[08:16] <alvin> kubuntu-ppa/backports and kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[08:19] <jussi> hrm, Im not sure. Im just using backports.
[08:19] <alvin> ok, I found another computer with Kubuntu and the backports ppa enabled. Same issues.
[08:19] <alvin> I'm going to disable the kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[08:21] <alvin> No immediate change. I don't think the kubuntu ppa contains a lot of packages I have installed. Note that 'apt-get dist-upgrade' doesn't warn me! Usually, I always use aptitude because it is the recommended method.
[08:22] <alvin> apt-get does want to remove more packages than aptitude
[08:24] <Blizzz> i also had those problems, thouugh kubuntu-desktop and kdebase-workspace(-bin) are fine, it still wants to remove the libqt4 packages as well as kdevelop
[08:28] <alvin> Are you also seeing the difference between aptitude and apt-get? Should there actually be a difference?
[08:32] <Blizzz> i'm only using aptitude 
[08:32] <Blizzz> you shouldn't mix 'em up
[08:37] <alvin> ok, just enabled kubuntu-backports on a machine where that was previously not using any ppa's. Same problem. I also only use aptitude.
[08:38] <alvin> but I do think there might be some dependency problem at work here.
[08:40] <Blizzz> off for work, bye
[08:57] <alvin> What's the official method to file dependency bugs in PPA? Is it Launchpad?
[08:58] <nigelb> kubuntu ppa? If so, there is a kubuntu ppa project
[09:01] <alvin> nigelb: Thanks.
[09:08] <ScottK> alvin: Where is aptitude recommended over apt-get?
[09:08] <alvin> ScottK: Debian Administration Guide
[09:08] <ScottK> alvin: What distro are you running?
[09:08] <alvin> Kubuntu of course
[09:08] <ScottK> Right.  Is that Debian?
[09:09] <alvin> I hope so :-) Kubuntu doesn't have an 'administration guide', right?
[09:09] <ScottK> There was a time when that was a good recommendation, but it's really obsolete.
[09:10] <ScottK> The reasons to recommend aptitude don't really apply anymore and apt-get is less likely to consider removing half your system a good solution.
[09:10] <alvin> i suppose dependency checking in apt-get got better in time
[09:10] <ScottK> It id.
[09:10] <ScottK> id/did
[09:10] <ScottK> Aptitude really tries too hard sometimes.
[09:10] <alvin> but isn't there a dependency problem here? I just found bug 615902 on Launchpad.
[09:11] <sheytan> ScottK hi ;)
[09:11] <sheytan> is bluedevil packaged?
[09:12] <ScottK> sheytan: It is.  It's in New and will get into Maverick.
[09:12] <ScottK> alvin: There may be.
[09:12] <sheytan> ScottK any way to install in lucid?
[09:12] <ScottK> sheytan: Someone would need to put it in backports.
[09:13] <sheytan> ScottK would be nice :)
[09:15] <sheytan> hey guys
[09:15] <sheytan> http://pastebin.com/xBk2mCSF
[09:15] <sheytan> problems with korganizer
[09:16] <sheytan> http://pastebin.com/RrFvmSVc
[09:16] <sheytan> and addressbook
[09:18] <sheytan> looks like PIM is broken
[09:18] <sheytan> know bug?
[09:20] <ScottK> We didn't change pim recently.
[09:22] <sheytan> ScottK well, after upgrade you see what's happen
[09:23] <ScottK> I don't have that error on Maverick.
[09:23] <sheytan> ScottK i'm on lucid
[09:24] <ScottK> Works on Lucid for me too.
[09:25] <sheytan> ScottK something is broken
[09:27] <sheytan> i installed kontact interface library and now there's another stuff missing, anyway, this package is 4.5.0
[09:28] <sheytan> ok, kmail works
[09:28] <sheytan> korganizer too
[09:28] <sheytan> and kaddressbook too :D
[09:28] <ScottK> Sounds like a missing dependency in the PPA then.
[09:29] <sheytan> ScottK i installed kontact interface library and akonadi-contact
[09:29] <sheytan> both 4:4.5.0
[09:29] <ScottK> Someone should look into that then.
[09:29] <sheytan> yep
[09:31] <ScottK> I make it a practice not to worry about the PPAs.  I've got too much else to do.  Sorry.
[10:20] <ScottK> sheytan: Thanks for poking about bluedevil.  It turns out it used newer packaging features than Launchpad supports, so I fixed it.  Should be in Maverick today.
[10:38] <sheytan> ScottK would be so cool if you could backport it please :)
[10:38] <sheytan> every time i have to send a file over kbluetooth i need to restart it :D
[10:39] <Riddell> sheytan: you can do the backport request to speed up the process
[10:39] <sheytan> Riddell how to :D
[10:55] <yofel_> hm, lucid 4.5 upgrade in my VM didn't fare well, after login I get the wallpaper and the mouse. Oh wait, the wallpaper just vanished, now I only have the mouse left
[10:55] <yofel_> how do you switch to a tty in kvm ?
[10:55] <Riddell> other people have reported that, it's a bit scary, I've no idea what the issue is
[10:59] <allee> sheytan, ScottK: locate still knowns about /usr/lib/libkontactinterface.so.4, but file is not on disk anymore.  So the file is no longer in kdepimlibs5 4.5.0 does no longer contain the file
[11:03] <allee> allee: plasma-desktop 4.5 crashed on login, because of the opendesktop widget.  Workaround: If appendend _foobar to the plugin name in plasma-desktop-appletsrc and plasma-desktop started again
[11:09] <Riddell> allee: it's in libkontactinterface4
[11:10] <Riddell> hmm, the kdepimlibs5 dummy package should depend on that but it doesn't
[11:10] <sheytan> alle install kontact-interface-library and akonadi-contact. That helps
[11:10] <sheytan> allee^^
[11:16] <allee> lunch bbl
[11:46] <alf__> Riddell: Hi! Could you take a look at https://launchpad.net/~afrantzis/+archive/qt4-qws when you have some time? I have upgraded to beta2.
[11:51] <Riddell> alf__: have you tried compiling it on arm at all?
[11:52] <alf__> Riddell: yes it is in ppa:asac/armel1
[11:53] <Riddell> nice
[11:59] <Riddell> alf__: looks fine, I take it you don't have a bzr packaging branch?
[12:03] <alf__> Riddell: I started to create a temporary one at lp:~afrantzis/+junk/qt4-qws some time ago but it is still uploading. It's history is not very clean (experiments etc), so perhaps I should create a new one?
[12:04] <Riddell> alf__: I'd recommend branching from our normal qt branch lp:~kubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu/  then adding in the qws changes
[12:04] <Riddell> that way it should be easy to keep up to date with changes in the normal qt branch
[12:04] <Riddell> alf__: however this is all good for now, want me to upload?
[12:05] <alf__> Riddell: yes, that would be great, thanks!
[12:07] <Riddell> "dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address"
[12:08] <Riddell> hmm that should be fixed for linaro
[12:11] <alf__> Riddell: you mean in dpkg-source?
[12:13] <Riddell> alf__: yes
[12:13] <Riddell> otherwise I can't build the source package
[12:14] <Riddell> fixed locally, building
[12:17] <alf__> Riddell: great thanks, I'll raise the issue with the linaro team
[12:18] <debfx> Riddell: could you upload amarok to fix that annoying crash? patch is in the bzr branch
[12:19]  * Riddell queues up amarok after qt4-qws
[12:20] <debfx> thanks :)
[12:26] <debfx> Riddell: all build-deps have to be in main even if one is only needed for a universe binary package, right?
[12:26] <Riddell> debfx: yes
[12:27] <debfx> so ffmpegthumbnailer needs to be in main to fix bug #615761
[12:30] <Riddell> debfx: and if ffmpegthumbnailer was in main it wouldn't use the embedded copy?
[12:32] <debfx> Riddell: we'd have to patch the cmake file
[12:32] <Riddell> does this solve a problem?
[12:46] <debfx> yes, the problem of having to maintain different versions of the same product
[12:50] <Riddell> debfx: needs a MIR then and the patch to kdemultimedia
[12:58] <yofel> grr, my lucid vm still doesn't work with 4.5 (mouse cursor with white background now...) - here's .xsession-errors if anyone finds something http://pastebin.com/shZYRsS6
[13:02] <Riddell> alf__: upload complete!
[13:02] <alf__> Riddell: Thanks!
[13:16] <sheytan> Riddell how can i make a backport request?
[13:20] <Riddell> sheytan: file a bug on launchpad.net/lucid-backports
[13:20] <Riddell> then compile the backport locally and check it works and report back on the bug
[13:22] <sheytan> Riddell https://bugs.launchpad.net/lucid-backports/+bug/616325
[13:22] <sheytan> yep :D
[13:22] <sheytan> and i tested bluedevil on lucid, works fine
[13:22] <Riddell> it'll also need one for libbluedevil
[13:22] <Riddell> then say so on the bug
[13:23] <sheytan> Riddell for libbluedevil a separated one?
[13:24] <Riddell> yes
[13:27] <sheytan> Riddell should be fine now :)
[13:28]  * sheytan is waiting for bluedevil for lucid ;)
[13:32] <Riddell> there should be a comment saying that you compiled the maverick package without changes and installed and ran it without problems
[13:32] <Riddell> and the bluedevil bug should point to the libbluedevil bug
[13:42] <alvin> yofel: Are you sure you do have all needed packages installed?
[14:01] <shadeslayer_> \o/
[14:02] <shadeslayer_> i haz the broken system
[14:02] <shadeslayer_> new X is borked.. anyone else with that on maverick?
[14:05] <debfx> the desktop effects are pretty much broken, but without them it works fine
[14:06] <shadeslayer_> debfx: my X doesnt even start ^_^
[14:06] <shadeslayer_> im currently in recovery and running irssi :P
[14:07] <debfx> oh, what does the xorg.log say?
[14:07] <shadeslayer_> lets see...
[14:07] <Riddell> xorg is expectd to be broken, they just upgraded to 1.9
[14:08] <shadeslayer_> debfx: something about nvidia drivers, can you look at the newest paste at pastebin.com
[14:11] <shadeslayer_> debfx: p.u.c/476436
[14:11] <debfx> shadeslayer_: oh dear, you have to use the nvidia driver? :(
[14:12] <shadeslayer_> yeah, the nouveau one isnt fast enuf :P
[14:14] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: 2 days before FF? :P
[14:15] <shadeslayer_> im going out for a while, ill be back in about 30 mins
[14:18] <CIA-99> [kubuntu-firefox-installer] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100811131811-3lu5l3r65zjcfjqy * (3 files in 2 dirs) * Fix arguments passed to qapt-batch (LP: #616267) * Utilize QStringBuilder for optimizing QString construction
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> you'd think bugbot could handle LP: #
[14:20] <CIA-99> [kubuntu-firefox-installer] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100811132010-a35qiu5fig0q8z0q * (debian/changelog style/squares.png) Use optimizegraphics to shave 641 bytes out of squares.png
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> 641 bytes!1!11!11!
[14:24] <CIA-99> [kubuntu-firefox-installer] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100811132402-mgt2g5bhqnyn8ll7 * debian/changelog releasing version 10.10ubuntu4
[14:29] <yofel> alvin: well, apt-get upgrade doesn't list anything, let me try installing a few kde meta packages
[14:29] <yofel> *dist-upgrade
[14:30] <yofel> shadeslayer: if it's 'undefinded symbol: WindowLayout' or something like that, that should be fixed soon (believing raof)
[14:39] <ScottK> Riddell: Earlier today, I fixed libbluedevil and bluedevil so Soyuz can build them.  Would you please push libbluedevil through binary New so we can get bluedevil built.
[14:41] <Riddell> ScottK: what didn't Soyuz like?
[14:41] <ScottK> Riddell: arch: linux-any
[14:41] <ScottK> It'll be fixed in the next LP release, but I didn't care to wait.
[14:41] <Riddell> accepted
[14:41] <ScottK> Cool.
[14:43] <alvin> yofel: I'm now upgrading to KDE 4.5 with 'apt-get dist-upgrade. It wants to remove 18 packages, but I think that's no problem. aptitude full-upgrade did say there were dependency problems with libqt4-assistant and libqt4-phonon, and wanted to remove a whole lot more,so I'm trying with apt-get. I'll let you know if my system is still in a usable state after the upgrade.
[14:44] <Riddell> libqt4-assistant and libqt4-phonon are dead, they're expected to go
[14:44] <ghostcube> cool there will be an open blueray lib made by vlc?
[14:48] <alvin> Riddell: Good to know. Thanks for the info.
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/476447/ <- I wonder if this is why things are starting to use kdesu instead of kdesudo now
[15:10] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1162152 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/CMakeLists.txt Bump version for 1.0
[15:10] <oxymoron> KDE 4.5 yet?
[15:10] <shadesla1er_> oxymoron: whut? its been released right?
[15:16] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Has it been released for Lucid?
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: hi, I just uploaded a fixed libdebconf-kde, should be in new queue in a bit
[15:17] <shadeslayer_> hmm.. cant really say, but afaik its been packaged for lucid
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer_, oxymoron: you both could use our shiny new website and find out ;)
[15:18] <shadeslayer_> JontheEchidna: i could.. but for that ill need X\
[15:18] <shadeslayer_> which im short of :P
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> upgrade before the X transition was complete?
[15:19] <oxymoron> JontheEchidna: Which never updates ... lol and btw its not shiny xD
[15:19] <shadeslayer_> right now im at a recovery terminal awaiting assistance on how to fix it
[15:20] <ulysses> shadeslayer_: I talked to a hungarian user who uses Maverick with Nvidia, he used the „IgnoreABI” option in xorg.conf to fix the X
[15:20] <oxymoron> And why is it in backports? :S
[15:20] <shadeslayer_> JontheEchidna: nope, when i updated sources first, it wanted to remove most of my X, which i feared wasnt right, then after a second update of sources about 10 hours later, the upgrade seemed to be fine
[15:20] <shadeslayer_> ulysses: ah lets see that...  
[15:22] <oxymoron> Now lets see if KDE 4.5 "stable" fixed all bugs yet. Its seriously sad if they havent.
[15:22] <shadeslayer_> ulysses: can you paste the entire line? not the config, just the abi line
[15:22] <shadeslayer_> and which section it goes under...
[15:23] <oxymoron> Nope, retards KDE team is ... Akonadi and Amarok crash first that happens and Kopete still doesnt work with Kwallet.
[15:26] <ulysses> shadeslayer_: he is not online, maybe later
[15:27] <shadeslayer_> :(
[15:27] <ulysses> shadeslayer_: but I found this: http://pastebin.com/jehH81Jz
[15:28] <shadeslayer_> how am i supposed to see it without X :P
[15:28] <shadeslayer_> im in a recovery session :D
[15:29] <ulysses> ah
[15:29] <ulysses> Section "ServerFlags" Option     "ignoreABI" " on"
[15:29] <ulysses> EndSection
[15:31] <shadeslayer_> ulysses: brb in a sec
[15:31] <ulysses> good luck:)
[15:32] <shadeslayer_> ulysses: sarvatt is giving me a ppa to fix, lets see
[15:36] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1162164 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/main.cpp Version bump + codename for 1.0
[15:37] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: stable release tomorrow?
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: today :)
[15:39] <ulysses> ah
[15:40] <lumm> hi, anythink i can do to avoid this 2 x windows alltray and gajim causing here. -> http://i34.tinypic.com/soo8cw.png just upgraded to 4.5
[16:09] <shadeslayer> bug 132060 any ideas ? :D
[16:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whee... ubuntu one finally works \o.
[16:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://imgur.com/qwFSt
[17:19] <slug> hi guys, two issues
[17:20] <slug> ubuntu-bug doesn't seem to work for me. it either freezes or if i select "other problem" in the first menu, it shows the same menu as for "display problems"
[17:22] <slug> the other issue i will submit a bug report: after upgrading to 4.5 using the backports, akregator doesn't work, since it lacks the library "libkontactinterface.so.4: cannot open shared object file"
[17:23] <slug> which seems to be a dependency problem, as this library is included in libkontactinterface4
[17:23] <ScottK> Did kdepim-runtime and kdepim get rebuilt in the PPA?
[17:25] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i uploaded the beta 2
[17:25] <ScottK> shadeslayer: To Lucid kubuntu-beta?
[17:25] <shadeslayer> no, to ninja ppa
[17:26] <shadeslayer> just for maverick
[17:26] <ScottK> shadeslayer: That shouldn't go in ninjas (it's not private).  It should go in experimental.
[17:26] <ScottK> What's in the PPA for Lucid that got 4.5.0?
[17:26] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yes i know, ill copy them over once im done with backporting it
[17:27] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It should never have gone in Ninjas.
[17:27] <shadeslayer> i guess 4.4.x ?
[17:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: err.. really?
[17:27] <shadeslayer> my bad in that case
[17:27] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Ninjas is only for stuff that's private.
[17:28] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:30] <yofel> slug: bug 614145 and bug 570907 ?
[17:31] <slug> yofel: yep, those
[17:31] <slug> i will take a look. is there a workaround?
[17:46] <Quintasan> Riddell: did you read the MALLOC_CHECK_ report on kde-packagers?
[17:47] <Riddell> Quintasan: briefly
[17:47] <Riddell> trying to do ubiquity today
[17:47] <Quintasan> Riddell: do we want to patch it?
[17:47]  * Quintasan did not notice any slowdowns or crashes
[17:48] <yofel> slug: not that I know of, but the Other problem list isn't the same as the display one here, it has a few display issues though
[17:48] <Quintasan> hmm
[17:53] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah same here, no slowdowns :(
[17:57] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: strange, other users report crashes and slowdowns
[17:57] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:59] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: What are you laughing at? I will divert all angry Kubuntu users to you then.
[17:59] <Quintasan> :P
[17:59] <shadeslayer> sure feel free to :D
[17:59] <Quintasan> Great, less work for me :P
[17:59] <shadeslayer> i shall tell them that Quintasan forgot to fix it
[18:00] <Quintasan> Great.
[18:01] <Quintasan> I will not answer them then and they will go back to you. :3
[18:03] <shadeslayer> then i shall divert wrath to lp :P
[18:04] <Quintasan> hrng
[18:05] <Quintasan> I belive I did a mistake somewhere
[18:10]  * ScottK finds it a bit odd that CMake can be at 100%, but not finished.
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> I am ...puzzled about the amd64 failure: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qapt/1.0-0ubuntu1
[18:13] <maco> ScottK: rounding to the nearest 100?
[18:14] <ScottK> Could be.  It's a bit contrary to the usual semantics of 100% done though.
[18:14] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: failure?
[18:15] <Quintasan> It's still "Pending build" here
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: I just retried the build
[18:15] <Quintasan> oh
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/53490369/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.qapt_1.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:16] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I think that symbols in builders cause FTBFS
[18:16] <Quintasan> but I'm not sure
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> as long as the symbols are accurate, it should not
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> and it did build on i386 and even armel
[18:17] <Quintasan> Oh, well then something went wrong at dh_makeshlibs: dpkg-gensymbols -plibqapt1 -Idebian/libqapt1.symbols -Pdebian/libqapt1 returned exit code 1
[18:17] <Quintasan> I wonder why dh cant be more verbose
[18:17] <Quintasan> than DH_VERBOSE=1
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> it failed because the symbols generated in the build didn't match those in the file
[18:18] <Quintasan> Yet it built on i386 and armel?
[18:18] <Quintasan> Strange
[18:18] <Quintasan> I think retry will do the trick
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> here's to hoping
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> builds fine on amd64 maverick in my ppa too
[18:19] <Quintasan> Launchpad magic
[18:21] <Quintasan> hmm
[18:21] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: can you give me the output of echo $MALLOC_CHECK_ ?
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> \n (blank newline)
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> oh
[18:22] <Quintasan> nothing? lol
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> forgot the trailing _
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> 3
[18:22] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: any slowdowns or crashes?
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> nope
[18:22] <Quintasan> Hmmmm
[18:22] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: by any chance, do you have eclipse installed?
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> nope
[18:24] <Quintasan> Well, let's wait for what upstream KDE has to say about that
[18:29] <ScottK> Riddell: kdeedu is no longer buildable due to some pythonish change of which I'm not aware.  If you look at the ia64/powerpc build logs, I get the same error on i386 if I build it locally.  The missing .so is in site-packages, not dist-packages.
[18:31] <maco> ScottK: is this cheating?  i upload a rc version of gally to universe today, then i "fix a bug in kde integration" (that it doesnt use KStandardDirs) post-feature-freeze?
[18:31] <ScottK> maco: No.
[18:32] <maco> great :)
[18:40] <shtylman> is it bad that after years of using kde I am giving serious thought to switching away?
[18:41] <ScottK> shtylman: It is, but not suprising.
[18:41] <shtylman> ScottK: you sharing a similar sentiment?
[18:42] <ScottK> My wife accidentally enabled the widget explorer (or whatever the thing where all you can get to is widgets is called) and couldn't figure out how to turn it off and commented to me "Microsoft is not looking so bad right now".
[18:42] <ScottK> This was last night.
[18:42] <ScottK> shtylman: I'm not there yet, but you aren't the only one.
[18:42] <shtylman> I just want it to be faster!! and stay out of my way really
[18:43] <ScottK> Yep.
[18:43] <shtylman> blurry plasma is great and all.. but guess what... that takes cpu/gpu power
[18:43] <shtylman> and if I see another notification... I might have to hurt someone :)
[18:44] <shtylman> sigh
[18:44] <shtylman> kde... I want to love you... but you make it tough.... :'(
[18:45] <shtylman> /rant
[18:45] <ScottK> Hopefully Riddell is taking notes.
[18:47] <ghostcube> are there still any update problems with apt-get ?
[18:47] <ghostcube> i just seen inside here today someone asked about
[18:48] <shtylman> ghostcube: I sitll can't install libsoprano-dev (but I think all upgrade issues are worked out) .. except kdevelop
[18:48] <ghostcube> shtylman: thx :) will try now 
[18:48] <ghostcube> just doing upgrade so after will dist-upgrade
[18:59] <debfx> JontheEchidna: the difference between the symbols is:
[18:59] <debfx> typeinfo for std::iterator<std::forward_iterator_tag, pkgCache::Dependency, long, pkgCache::Dependency*, pkgCache::Dependency&>
[18:59] <debfx> typeinfo for std::iterator<std::forward_iterator_tag, pkgCache::Dependency, int, pkgCache::Dependency*, pkgCache::Dependency&>
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> I don't think those symbols should even be in my library though. That looks more like something that should be in apt
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> I got a bunch of apt-looking symbols when I pbuilt the 1.0 packages, updated the .symbols file to include them, then uploaded
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> It went fine on i386 and armel, but failed for amd64
[19:02] <debfx> the third type is the pointer
[19:03] <debfx> for some reason the pointer is long on amd64
[19:08] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: need some advice, how would you cache a particular url pointing to a favicon, and then pass it to KIcon ?
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> I guess I'd store it in a QString, then do KIcon(myQStringVariable)
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> oh
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> actually that wouldn't work
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> you'd probably have to download it
[19:10] <shadeslayer> KIcon doesnt do URL's i think
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> QIcon would
[19:10] <shadeslayer> yeah thats what im thinking
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> take a look at Muon's screenshot downloading code for a downloading example
[19:11] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> it should do all the proper things (like handling of temporary files, which can be security sensitive)
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> debfx: by the way, I did finally get around to applying all your Muon patches. Thanks :)
[19:19] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: fetchScreenshot() right?
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> yes
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> as well as screenshotFetched()
[19:21] <shadeslayer> yeah was following the connect() as well :P
[19:21] <shadeslayer> but i dont really need screenshotFetched :D
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> why not?
[19:26] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ok do you have rekonq installed? :D
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> yes
[19:26] <shadeslayer> open it and type foo in search bar and see the favicons
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> for the search engines?
[19:27] <shadeslayer> yeah :D
[19:27] <shadeslayer> for some reason, only the google icon is loaded
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> well, you will need a function to hook up to the kjob completing, even if it is not named screenshotFetched()
[19:28] <shadeslayer> oh yeah, i need something to check that the job is finished 
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> yeah, a faviconFetched() function or something of the like
[19:29] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/qsuEkj45
[19:30] <shadeslayer> current code
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> welp, almost ready to push muon and qapt 1.0 out. Bloggin' time.
[19:35] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:35] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: go go!
[20:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what was the problem with your u1?
[20:27] <sheytan> apachelogger will you release some u1 updates for lucid?
[21:42] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: Muon 1.0 for Maverick is building?
[21:42] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[21:43] <yofel> yay
[21:43] <ulysses> I saw just now, that Muon 0.5 is available from Maverick repositories
[21:43] <ScottK> Riddell: bluedevil could stand some binary New.
[21:51] <ofirk> hi :)
[21:51] <ari-tczew> ofirk: hi
[21:51] <ofirk> Does someone know who owns the kubuntu channel on youtube? (http://www.youtube.com/user/kubuntu)
[21:52] <nigelb> ahem, not anyone here I'm sure
[21:56] <ofirk> I want to contact Youtube, so I want to be sure it's no one from here
[21:56] <ofirk> Does Kubuntu is a trademark of someone?
[21:57] <ofirk> apparently Canonical owns it...
[21:59] <maco> O_o
[22:09] <ScottK> ofirk: Yes.
[22:15] <Quintasan> sheytan: ping
[22:16] <sheytan> Quintasan hey ;)
[22:16] <amichair> ofirk: hey, is that a new website?
[22:16] <Quintasan> sheytan: when is the Community Projects "addon" will be finished? I want some internets fame
[22:16] <Quintasan> :P
[22:17] <ofirk> amichair: the one at kubuntu.org?
[22:17] <ofirk> amichair: yes
[22:17] <amichair> ya
[22:18] <amichair> ofirk: mazeltof :-)
[22:18] <amichair> it looks great!!
[22:18] <sheytan> Quintasan what do you mean exactly?
[22:18] <ofirk> amichair: toda :)
[22:19] <Quintasan> sheytan: well, you wanted three community driven projects some time ago and sent up a mockup of page saying who does, what
[22:19] <amichair> ofirk: though I'm curious, with a whopping size of 817K for the homepage... why isn't http compression turned on?
[22:19] <sheytan> Quintasan ooh, this will be ready with new page :)
[22:19] <Quintasan> great
[22:19] <ofirk> there is a lot to be done
[22:20] <ofirk> including working on performance :)
[22:21] <amichair> ofirk: you should try running the Page Speed Firebug plugin, there's a lot of good optimizations to be done
[22:21] <sheytan> but it will rock the webD:
[22:21] <sheytan> :D
[22:22] <amichair> the faster the page loads, the higher the conversion rate, so they say :-)
[22:22] <ofirk> amichair: actually, I have that plugin and I use it a lot...
[22:22] <ofirk> I think that the images are the big part of the 817K
[22:22] <amichair> ofirk: cool
[22:23] <ofirk> and some of them are loaded in the background for the slideshow
[22:23] <amichair> ah nice
[22:26] <amichair> they seem to take up almost 600K