[00:17] <jenkins> ChrisWoollard: ping
[00:17] <ChrisWoollard> hello
[00:17] <jenkins> bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/616118
[00:18] <ChrisWoollard> ye
[00:18] <ChrisWoollard> s
[00:18] <jenkins> the screenshot exists as it is later in the manual at some point some one thought ot put it in two places
[00:18] <jenkins> its towards the middle irrc
[00:19] <ChrisWoollard> So it is a duplicate
[00:19] <ChrisWoollard> that should be removed
[00:19] <jenkins> thats what i thought, I am pretty sure the first one is not in lucid-e1. i don't know why this one was added
[00:20] <jenkins> might have come from a bug report or a typo?
[00:20] <jenkins> ment to be something enlse
[00:20] <jenkins> *else
[00:21] <ChrisWoollard> ok thanks
[00:23] <jenkins> np
[00:24] <ChrisWoollard> I was just trying to log a whole bunch of bugs before i forgot about them as it is late, and need to sleep..
[00:24] <ChrisWoollard> so that is exactly what i am going to do.
[00:24] <jenkins> don't blame you :)
[00:25] <ChrisWoollard> I think I am going to send a mail to the list tomorrow to try to get some more proof readers.  There still seems to be a whole bunch of issues.
[00:25] <godbyk> Good idea.
[00:25] <godbyk> What was the release date for e2 again?
[00:25] <ChrisWoollard> 16th
[00:25] <godbyk> okay
[00:26] <ChrisWoollard> that is monday
[00:27] <ChrisWoollard> anyway. See you all tomorrow.
[00:28] <godbyk> see ya
[00:31] <jenkins> cya ChrisWoollard
[00:49] <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: compare the text on page 28 and 29
[00:49] <ChrisWoollard> 29 looks thicker
[00:51] <ChrisWoollard> also look at it at about 125%. It is easier to see then.
[00:52] <ChrisWoollard> anyway. I really have to sleep.
[01:03] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: looks okay in my copy. On the page where the text looks darker, can you tell the difference between the menu names and the dark text?  The menu names are in bold.
[01:32] <jenkins> night all
[03:03] <Omega> I'm back, guys.
[07:09] <ChrisWoollard> Can you check to see if by added that tag the text gets emphasis?
[07:40] <thorwil> good morning!
[10:25] <KE1HA> Anyone from the team around that can assist with a Texlive Install question ?
[10:36] <nisshh> KE1HA: whats up?
[10:39] <KE1HA> hi nisshh  sri was away from the box. I had a problem during, or should say after install.
[10:40] <KE1HA> I went through the installer config script,
[10:40] <KE1HA> but on the Language section I di not select any languages, and the script prompted me to say, if your only writing English this is ok, so I continued on.
[10:41] <KE1HA> DL was a full install, everythign basically.
[10:42] <KE1HA> ran the post-install script, had a few fonts missing, and I assume the script downloaded them, as it stopped fer a bit after each seciton.
[10:42] <KE1HA> it finally passed then I tried to compile with: make ubuntu-manual  and that's where Im stuck.
[10:43] <KE1HA> I teid to use make ubuntu-manual-en_GB.pdf but get errors
[10:43] <KE1HA> Tried*
[10:44] <jenkins> KE1HA: have you dome just make first?
[10:44] <jenkins> also what branch are you doing it in?
[10:44] <KE1HA> and as I did't install any language packs, Im at a loss as to how to compile now. as the instructions state: make ubuntu-manyal-LANG.pdf
[10:44] <jenkins> KE1HA:  try just make
[10:44] <KE1HA> make without the ubuntu-manual-LANG.pdf ?
[10:44] <jenkins> yep
[10:45] <KE1HA> rr ok hold on
[10:45] <jenkins> that does the us english one. then if that works you can do your language
[10:45] <KE1HA> Bingo .. how easy was that :-)
[10:46] <KE1HA> I read through the how too a few times, but it didn't refrence making without LANG stipulation.
[10:46] <KE1HA> Oh, one last ques, where does it put the output file ?
[10:47] <KE1HA> ls
[10:47] <jenkins> now does it work with the lang file? it puts it in the folder that you are in. main.pdf or ubuntu-manual-LANG.pdf
[10:47] <KE1HA> opps, sri, was ls-ing the terminal
[10:47] <KE1HA> Ok, let me have a look.
[10:48] <KE1HA> Yep, output to main.pdf .. man you all did a fantastic job on this manual.
[10:48] <jenkins> we try :)
[10:49] <KE1HA> TNX, appreciate the help. I see the Development is now on 19.10 Yes ?
[10:49] <KE1HA> oops 10.10
[10:49] <jenkins> yep and lucid-e2
[10:49] <jenkins> second editon for lts
[10:50] <KE1HA> rr. Im doing allot of testing on 10.10 at the moment, with the QA teams..
[10:51] <KE1HA> is there any plans to do an Advanced Manual or Sever Manual ?  the Wiki's are nice, but would eb great to ahve the PDF refrence manual.
[10:51] <jenkins> there is no plane at the  moment as we could do with doubling-tripling the team size to achieve all we want
[10:53] <KE1HA> Yeah, Documentation of one of those things that always seems to the under resourced, but from an end-user standpoint, needed the most when things go astray :-)
[10:53] <KE1HA> Anyways, just a thought. Maybe I'll work on that along side a few other Doc projects Im tinkering with.
[10:54] <jenkins> cool
[10:54] <KE1HA> One last question, is there a Task List of things that need doing?
[10:55] <nisshh> KE1HA: not really, but i think one is getting put together sometime
[10:55] <nisshh> was discussed at a meeting we had the other day
[10:55] <nisshh> KE1HA: you can pretty much do what you want, as long as you are working on the relevant things
[10:56] <KE1HA> Ok, I saw the next meeting date, so will join in that, I think it would be beneficial to have a Who / What / When type thing so folks know who's working on what.
[10:57] <nisshh> KE1HA: yea, thats exactly what we discussed, and by all means, come to the meeting, be great to have your input
[10:57] <KE1HA> It may be too difficult to implement though, not sure, need to study the whole program allot more.
[10:58] <KE1HA> Ok, thanks a bunch nisshh and jenkins I'm well chuffed with the fact that "It Works" :-)
[10:58] <nisshh> KE1HA: i suppose even if we compile a list of who plays what roles and how, then people new to the project can get in contact with the right person initially
[10:58] <jenkins> no problem have fun KE1HA
[10:58] <nisshh> KE1HA: np, enjoy :)
[10:59] <KE1HA> rr Take care, see ya in the meeting.
[10:59] <nisshh> KE1HA: yep, cya there :)
[11:03] <ChrisWoollard> Can you have a look at this. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/382986/ubuntu-manual/UbuntuManual.html. I am thinking of sending it to the maining list so some of our members can proof read / log bugs with e2. What do you think?
[11:05] <jenkins> ChrisWoollard: looks good to me
[11:07] <thorwil> ChrisWoollard: some redundancy you could get rid of. perhaps with just a "Ubuntu Manual project members can download the latest build of lucid-e2 here."
[11:11] <ChrisWoollard> how is that
[11:11] <ChrisWoollard> or rather. How does it look now?
[11:12] <popey> is that the latest build?
[11:12] <popey> (r158 that is)
[11:13] <ChrisWoollard> yes
[11:13] <thorwil> ChrisWoollard: good
[11:13] <ChrisWoollard> Thanks
[11:13] <thorwil> jenkins, flan_: http://www.foopics.com/showfull/ad413fe2ce8e341c3c26b7b327929bb4
[11:14] <popey> :( my bug not fixed
[11:14] <jenkins> popey: it was the apt-get aptidue thing was it not?
[11:15] <popey> bug 582361
[11:15] <jenkins> thorwil: interesting idea, flan_ will not be up for a few hours
[11:17] <jenkins> popey: its in the list with the milestone target so i assume it will be fixed before release on monday
[11:18] <jenkins> thorwil: how would it work doing a stack off set of the desktops?
[11:19] <popey> ok
[11:19] <popey> thanks
[11:19] <jenkins>  offset like the shotwell logo
[11:19] <thorwil> jenkins: what do you mean with "a stack off set of the desktops"?
[11:19] <jenkins> thorwil: http://yorba.org/shotwell/install/#binaries right hand side
[11:20] <jenkins> not exaclty the same because we don't want to get them confused
[11:22] <thorwil> jenkins: it would make it impossible to see it as a matrix and might become troublesome at lower sizes. note that this should be an icon. maybe an icon that can be used as logo, but not a logo in conception
[11:22] <jenkins> right thats cool you know much more than i do :)
[11:53] <KE1HA> Just curious, what is the preferred editor for working on the manual?
[11:54] <jenkins> I use gedit
[11:55] <KE1HA> doe it have a plug-in for checking syntax and things?
[11:55] <KE1HA> Does*
[11:55] <jenkins> I don't know, we use some custom commands so it would not help.
[11:56] <KE1HA> I see, I just started looking at a few of the chapters. Looks like I need to go read and hopefully adsorb the Tex Manual :-)
[11:57] <jenkins> also read our style guide which should be in the topic
[11:57] <jenkins> \topic
[11:57] <jenkins> http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/style-guide.pdf
[11:58] <KE1HA> Ok, will start there first.
[12:02] <popey> hmm, need to file another bug in the manual
[12:04] <KE1HA> wow, between DocBook and LaTeX my brain is gonna start workign in binary 01101001001001
[12:04] <jenkins> u o popey :P
[12:07] <popey> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/616306
[12:09] <popey> if anyone fancies confirming it :)
[12:11] <KE1HA> actually, ya wanna stop gdm,  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but you should BU ur .conf first I'd thing. Need ro read the chapter first to see what its saying.
[12:11] <popey> no
[12:11] <popey> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  does _not_ fix xorg.conf
[12:11] <popey> it is pointless running it
[12:13] <KE1HA> Ok, I need to go re-rtfm :-)
[12:13] <popey> :)
[12:15] <ChrisWoollard> is there an equivilent now?
[12:18] <ChrisWoollard> I suspect not now
[12:18] <KE1HA> Ok, got it, I "skipped over" the part on At-Boot, so yes, reconfigure-xorg would help in that regard.
[12:19] <KE1HA> Whoops Would Not Help
[12:20] <KE1HA> There's allot of problems being reported on the Boot / Install Black screen.
[12:22] <KE1HA> popey, But that section would apply if you had a problem with X and you dropped to a console right?
[12:22] <popey> no
[12:23] <popey> because.. again.. that command does _nothing_
[12:26] <KE1HA> so you'd sudo X -configure v.s dpkg-reconfigure ?
[12:29] <popey> have added a comment to the bug
[12:32] <KE1HA> Yeah, X-Org docs says to X -configure, its just all the Wiki's and Ubuntu pages all seem to say dpkg-reconfigure.
[12:33] <KE1HA> geezz, no wonder that never seems to help folks we we tell them to do it :-)
[12:34] <ChrisWoollard> Can you add the X-org link to the bug
[12:36] <KE1HA> It's an OpenBSD doc, I suppose that doesn't matter.
[12:36] <KE1HA> http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq11.html#ConfigX
[13:06] <popey> they're out of date
[14:18] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: The \noindent tag just prevents indentation of the current paragraph. It has no effect on the font/style.
[14:59] <ChrisWoollard> hello
[15:04] <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: Weirdly, i have checked this issue and now it appears to be ok.
[15:05] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: Works for me. :)
[15:05] <ChrisWoollard> I know. Me too now
[15:07] <ChrisWoollard> i will close this call.
[15:12] <godbyk> Okay.
[15:19] <godbyk> Gah! My Makefile-fu is failing me today.
[15:46] <ChrisWoollard> Eewwww
[16:41] <godbyk> Hey, hannie.  How's it going?
[17:13] <hannie> Hello godbyk, I just read your email
[17:13] <hannie> I just had a visitor, so my reaction is somewhat late
[17:13] <godbyk> No problem.
[17:13] <hannie> I am about to forward your email to my fellow translators
[21:49] <jenkins> flan_: ping
[21:55] <Muscovy> jenkins, you mentioned editing when I was leaving the other day...?
[21:56] <jenkins> Muscovy:  yea probably a good job to do is to is help ChrisWoollard who is an editor. He is reading through the lucid edition 2 before it is released. did you see the e-mail on the list?
[21:56] <Muscovy> Oh, yeah.
[21:57] <Muscovy> I started proofreading this morning.
[21:57] <jenkins> cool :) we like people to get stuck in
[22:02] <jenkins> also there are still some bugs to fix especially pope-y's ones :)
[22:05] <Muscovy> I'll take a look. I'm on LP:616306 right now. :D
[22:18] <flan_> jenkins, pong.
[22:18] <jenkins> flan_: did you see thorwils new logo idea?
[22:18] <flan_> Nope.
[22:18] <jenkins> i will just find the link
[22:19] <jenkins> http://www.foopics.com/showfull/ad413fe2ce8e341c3c26b7b327929bb4
[22:19] <jenkins> only a concept of course
[22:19] <jenkins> I am as always undecided and with no real opinion
[22:20] <jenkins> hey c7p and nisshh
[22:20] <flan_> It's clean and simple, but I'm not sure if it conveys any meaning.
[22:20] <jenkins> did you see my two attempts at a concept ideas?
[22:21] <jenkins> http://imagebin.org/108933 and http://imagebin.org/108932
[22:22] <jenkins> and there is thorwils original idea, ben did mention it in his blog post as well
[22:23] <jenkins> flan_: as you can tell I am quite an artist :P
[22:24] <nisshh> jenkins: hey
[22:24] <jenkins> hows nisshh today?
[22:28] <flan_> 108933 isn't all that bad, actually...
[22:29] <jenkins> well if done by a real artist it would work better
[22:29] <flan_> Of course.
[22:29] <flan_> But I mean its general feel.
[22:29] <jenkins> yea I am not sure if i showed thorwil that. what do you think of http://imagebin.org/108933 vish?
[22:30] <jenkins> I saw one of these in a shop as inspiration http://lifehacker.com/5309338/spaghetti-measure-gets-your-portions-right
[22:31] <c7p> hey jenkins
[22:32] <jenkins> c7p: did you see i did a mock up of your idea http://imagebin.org/108932 . not a good mock up
[22:32] <c7p> hehe yap :P
[22:35] <jenkins> any other budding artist out there?
[22:44] <Muscovy> Anyone know if there's a max size for \userinput{} strings?
[22:45] <c7p> I've just seen the list of translators on credits, there is one guys from my team that isn't on the list and he sent me now an email about it
[22:46] <c7p> could his name be added to credits ?
[22:48] <jenkins> c7p: I would *think* so you would have to get godbyk to update the website.
[22:48] <jenkins> Muscovy:  can you show us an example of what you are working on? I am not sure where we use that command
[22:49] <c7p> the site's content is way out of date :P I don't know if it has translators hehe
[22:49] <c7p> um talking about the second edition of manual
[22:49] <godbyk> be with you guys in just a few minutes.
[22:50] <jenkins> O right I thought you ment the 1st edition of the greek one. are all the translators in the english one? we can soon add him/her
[22:54] <c7p> i added him in the greek one ... but unluckily I mistype his name .... (I'm awful :P)
[22:54] <c7p> in the first edition I don't know why he isn't on the list
[22:55] <Muscovy> Here's an example: \prompt \userinput{sudo reboot now}
[22:56] <jenkins> c7p: feel free to add him
[22:56] <Muscovy> I'm trying to fix something in troubleshooting, but I get intermittent errors about strings being too big.
[22:57] <c7p> who has access to the proper tex file to add him ?
[22:57] <jenkins> Muscovy: do you get the Succes it has built correctly! when you run make?
[22:57] <jenkins> c7p: everyone as far as I know
[22:58] <c7p> you mean it's on the branch
[22:58] <jenkins> yep should be
[22:58] <c7p> the funny thing is that I ve still the problem with my local machine, I get a  message like "file conflict" etc :@
[22:59] <jenkins> what is the name and edition and language do you want it added in c7p?
[23:00] <c7p> edition: lucid-e2, name: Konstantinos Zigourakis
[23:01] <Muscovy> No, it drops to a prompt asking me what to do. I'll paste the error.
[23:02] <Muscovy> [133][134]
[23:02] <Muscovy> Overfull \hbox (2.49702pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 97--97
[23:02] <Muscovy> |\EU1/LinuxBiolinumO(0)/bx/n/10.95 Ubuntu doesn’t present the login screen wh
[23:02] <Muscovy> en my computer boots|
[23:02] <Muscovy> [134[135]]
[23:02] <Muscovy> ! Missing $ inserted.
[23:02] <Muscovy> <inserted text>
[23:02] <Muscovy>                 $
[23:02] <Muscovy> l.111 \prompt \userinput{mv xorg.conf xorg_old}
[23:02] <Muscovy>                                                
[23:02] <Muscovy> ?
[23:02] <Muscovy> Whoops, I should've pastebin'd that.
[23:02] <Muscovy> The question mark is a prompt.
[23:03] <jenkins> can you paste bin it so it makes more sense please :)
[23:03] <jenkins> lol manualbot is in the special thanks
[23:04] <jenkins> small screen :/
[23:04] <c7p> jenkins: how the quickshot development is going ?
[23:05] <jenkins> c7p: a lack of time is not helping it
[23:05] <c7p> :/
[23:05] <jenkins> also I have loads to learn to implement what i want to do for this release
[23:05] <jenkins> *of learning to do to
[23:06] <jenkins> c7p: pushed the change
[23:06] <jenkins> Muscovy: can you pastebin the file which you are working on please
[23:07] <Muscovy> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/476630/
[23:07] <c7p> ty man :)
[23:07] <jenkins> np
[23:08] <c7p> I'm sure you will look back in time and see that the trip (learning to do things) really worth it, maybe more that the destination ;)
[23:09] <jenkins> o flan_ did you see that ben has set spetember the 10th as quickshot release, is said we would try but made no promises
[23:09] <Muscovy> Here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/476632/
[23:10] <c7p> way out of topic but I think you have to know that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseids it's already 12th of August
[23:11] <jenkins> Muscovy: I think I have it one moment
[23:12] <godbyk> Muscovy: There's no set limit to the \userinput command.
[23:12] <jenkins> Muscovy: put a \ before the _ so it looks like \_
[23:12] <jenkins> _ is a special character in latex
[23:13] <godbyk> Muscovy: You need to escape the underscore: \_
[23:13] <jenkins> for # $ % & ~ _ ^ \ { } to show you have to put a \ infront of them
[23:13] <jenkins> i won godbyk :P
[23:13] <godbyk> jenkins: You cheated! I was still reading the backlog. :-P
[23:13] <c7p> lol
[23:13] <jenkins> lol I was not going to point that out
[23:14] <godbyk> c7p: As for the translator stuff, I'm not sure what we're going to do there.  If we list every single translator in each edition of the manual, it will (a) be a huge list, and (b) may cause some difficult issues (as multiple fonts will be required to handle all the languages/characters).
[23:14] <godbyk> What I was thinking is that we'd list the translation editors in the English edition.
[23:15] <godbyk> Then each translated edition can list all the translators that helped with that particular language.
[23:15] <godbyk> What do you guys think of that notion?
[23:15] <nisshh> godbyk: why not list the translation TEAMS?
[23:16] <Muscovy> Ah, thanks, that makes sense.
[23:16] <jenkins> I have no problem with that godbyk. the issue with the teams thing nisshh is sometimes there are not actual teams just random people
[23:16] <jenkins> we have listed teams in there at the moment
[23:17] <godbyk> I think it's more of an incentive if you're own name appears, too. :)
[23:17] <c7p> godbyk: ok I agree but the guy sent me the email so I had to say it
[23:17] <godbyk> The current list of translators is just whatever humpreybc gave me.  He probably made it all up to begin with. ;-)
[23:17] <jenkins> c7p: I have not looked outside to see any of the stars yet
[23:17] <jenkins> is anyone on maverick yet?
[23:18] <c7p> yap my name is on the list and also of other greek translator he is the only out of the list
[23:18] <godbyk> c7p: I understand.  I'm not sure what the best solution is.  If everyone okay with what I proposed, we may do that for e2.
[23:18]  * jenkins meh cloudy out
[23:19] <c7p> godbyk: ok
[23:19]  * c7p clear sky :D
[23:19] <godbyk> jenkins: flooded here.  and we're now on a boil water advisory as of 3 hours ago.
[23:19] <jenkins> right I am off to bed I need to get into a "normal" sleeping pattern before monday
[23:20] <jenkins> is your house flodded out godbyk?
[23:20] <c7p> night jenkins
[23:20] <jenkins> *flooded
[23:20] <godbyk> my basement office is a little wet in the corner.  but otherwise it's okay.
[23:20] <jenkins> thats lucky
[23:20] <godbyk> other places are completely flooded, though.
[23:20] <jenkins> not good
[23:21] <c7p> we are lucky that there are no hurricanes or other extreme weather phenomena here (at least these years)
[23:22] <jenkins> right night again all
[23:22] <c7p> i g2g too
[23:22] <c7p> night all