[00:01] <duanedesign> woot
[00:01] <dvz-> w00t w00t..mtg
[00:02] <duanedesign> well we have given a minute or two for stragglers
[00:02] <duanedesign> #startmeeting
[00:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 18:02. The chair is duanedesign.
[00:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[00:04] <duanedesign> [TOPIC] Review List Of Prospective Members In Need Of Mentor.
[00:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review List Of Prospective Members In Need Of Mentor.
[00:04] <duanedesign> we have 6 people on the prospective list looking for mentors
[00:05] <duanedesign> i cleaned this out recently... there are still a couple i have not seen in awhile
[00:05] <nhandler> duanedesign: You are skipping your agenda item? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings
[00:05] <duanedesign> nhandler: i was going to do it last
[00:05] <nhandler> Ok
[00:05] <duanedesign> or at least  after a few items. In hopes some peps might show up
[00:05] <duanedesign> peeps*
[00:05] <duanedesign> :P
[00:06] <duanedesign> Nu2boonage is one on the list i have seenn around a lot
[00:06] <duanedesign> so we should at least try and make a point to get them a mentor
[00:06] <PabloRubianes> I think I can have on Prospect
[00:07] <PabloRubianes> as mine is having some pesonal issues with life and little time, I can help other
[00:08] <nhandler> Great PabloRubianes.
[00:08] <duanedesign> sounds good.
[00:08] <duanedesign> We also need to clean up that master list
[00:08] <nhandler> PabloRubianes: Can you inform him about this and update the wiki list?
[00:08] <PabloRubianes> I will talk to him, if he wants me as tutor :P
[00:09] <duanedesign> [ACTION] pablorubianes to mentor nUboon2Age
[00:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:  pablorubianes to mentor nUboon2Age
[00:10] <duanedesign> we should make an attempt to see if those people on the list are still around
[00:10] <duanedesign> if you see any of them around please make note of it so we can determine who is still around and in need of a mentor
[00:11] <duanedesign> doews anyone here have a prospect?
[00:12] <duanedesign> PabloRubianes: you already told us yours was having an issue
[00:12] <duanedesign> i do :)
[00:12] <PabloRubianes> not an issue, more like wife pregnant and little time
[00:13] <duanedesign> malev and km0r3 are doing great
[00:13] <duanedesign> PabloRubianes: that will do it
[00:13] <duanedesign> :)
[00:13] <duanedesign> i would love to try and get km0r3 and malev to be voted on soon
[00:13] <PabloRubianes> they are cool people!
[00:13] <duanedesign> they have shown great commitment over the last several months
[00:14] <duanedesign> shredder12 is another prospect i have. He has also been a prospect for awhile
[00:14] <duanedesign> so if you have a chance get to know  them as I would like to vote on them soon
[00:14] <nhandler> I have been doing some work with phillw for a while now.
[00:15] <duanedesign> phillw does ggreat work in #ubuntu-beginners
[00:15] <nhandler> He has also been doing some good work in the greater community
[00:16] <duanedesign> thats great
[00:16] <duanedesign> hello nUboon2Age
[00:16] <nUboon2Age> phillw: lots of work on promoting lubuntu
[00:16] <nUboon2Age> duanedesign: hey duanedesign
[00:17] <duanedesign> we were just talking about you :) all good of course
[00:17] <nUboon2Age> :)
[00:17] <duanedesign> nUboon2Age: i think PabloRubianes is going to talk to you after the meeting about being your mentor
[00:17] <nUboon2Age> PabloRubianes just came and 'got' me. :)
[00:17] <PabloRubianes> I already did
[00:17] <duanedesign> well great!
[00:17] <duanedesign> ok
[00:18] <duanedesign> [TOPIC] Focus Group wiki pages
[00:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Focus Group wiki pages
[00:19] <duanedesign> i sent an email out last month outlining some focus group goals, Tasks and trying to get the mission of the Focus groups figured out
[00:19] <duanedesign> or at least get the mission in writing so everyone understands what it is we are doing in each group
[00:20] <duanedesign> the Tasks are to be items people can reference when they want to do something for that Focus Ggroup
[00:20] <duanedesign> i get asked a lot I am interested in * FG what cann I do
[00:21] <duanedesign> so we have a list, and that list will also be a roadmap for that person to become better educated about that area of the community
[00:22] <duanedesign> also our Focus Groups need to work harder at getting our members establisheed in the broader community
[00:22] <duanedesign> if you are in the wikiFG you should be working towards 'wiki admin group'
[00:22] <duanedesign> launchpadFG --> Bug Control
[00:23] <duanedesign> Dev --> MOTU
[00:23] <duanedesign> etc, etc
[00:24] <nhandler> Well, working towards those teams is less important than working with them imo
[00:24] <duanedesign> so we have a rough outline in the email i sent out. We need to take that and  put it into our Focus Group wiki pages
[00:24] <duanedesign> nhandler: that is a valid point
[00:24] <duanedesign> if you work with them the other will come as a natural progression
[00:25] <duanedesign> i think the Focus Group pages should follow a more uniform outline
[00:25] <duanedesign> they should all generally want to convey the same information. There willl be variation, but for the most part they should be similar
[00:26] <duanedesign> i think this will help make info easier to find and help insure each FG covers all its bases on their wiki page
[00:27] <nhandler> duanedesign: Do you think it would help if we made a generic template?
[00:27] <duanedesign> nhandler: that is a good idea.
[00:27] <PabloRubianes> they (pages) should have info in order people get into the FGs in the propper way...
[00:27] <nhandler> Might be a good task for the wiki fg
[00:27] <duanedesign> the wiki FG page is pretty good
[00:28] <duanedesign> i added a little 'header' at the top of each page. With info about each team. Email, IRC channel, etc.
[00:29] <duanedesign> someone suggesed having the lead in that group of info...
[00:29] <duanedesign> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Wiki
[00:29] <duanedesign> example^
[00:29] <nUboon2Age> note: i didn't even know about the idea of FG's until Zach explained it to me.  there was little information about it on the wikis.  i like the idea of creating more obvious paths for people to move through to become more involved with the community.
[00:30] <duanedesign> nUboon2Age: that is a good point.
[00:30] <PabloRubianes> one thing is not importan the email, as we only have one ML
[00:30] <PabloRubianes> important*
[00:31] <PabloRubianes> and the Wiki FG wiki is really helpfull
[00:31] <duanedesign> we have this page   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups
[00:31] <duanedesign> maybe incorporate some of that into the main page?
[00:32] <duanedesign> the little table with the 'if you are interested in X see Y'
[00:33] <duanedesign> PabloRubianes: good point about  email
[00:34] <duanedesign> I will email the list and try and get some volunteers to work on the wiki
[00:35] <duanedesign> and talk with swoody about the wiki FG helping
[00:36] <duanedesign> [ACTION] duanedesign email BTML about focus group wiki page reworking
[00:36] <MootBot> ACTION received:  duanedesign email BTML about focus group wiki page reworking
[00:36] <duanedesign> [IDEA] make a template for focus group pages to follow
[00:36] <MootBot> IDEA received:  make a template for focus group pages to follow
[00:37] <duanedesign> i dont think we have anyone to vote on?
[00:37] <nUboon2Age> to amend what i said before about having more obvious paths to move through to get more involved w/ community, i agree with nhandler that it seems to me more important to work with a team rather than be a part of one.
[00:37] <PabloRubianes> i don't think so
[00:38] <duanedesign> nUboon2Age: do you think adding the table that is on the Focus Group page to the mainpage would help?
[00:38] <nUboon2Age> since people's participation waxes and wanes, and not everyone is a 'joiner', but everyone can appreciate having some structured paths, and expectation setting.
[00:39] <duanedesign> definetly.
[00:39] <duanedesign> I think getting the 'structured path' a little more organized for each Focus group would help alot
[00:39] <nUboon2Age> duanedesign: adding it to which main page?
[00:40] <nUboon2Age> oh probably you mean the BT main page.
[00:40] <duanedesign> the beginners team main page
[00:40] <duanedesign> :)
[00:40] <duanedesign> there was talk of redoing this page at UDS and the BT possibly helping with that. http://www.ubuntu.com/community
[00:41] <nhandler> duanedesign: cjohnston was working on that iirc
[00:41] <duanedesign> however that currently IMHO is beyond our resources at the moment. Would be nice to work towards having the momentum and manpower to do something like that
[00:41] <duanedesign> nhandler: yes, he was.
[00:42] <duanedesign> ok
[00:42] <duanedesign> any volunteers to do post meeting tasks?
[00:42] <nUboon2Age> duanedesign: looking at the main bt page again for the first time in a bit its definately shaping up.  I like the friendly focus group buttons from the other page, so that might work.  having just seen them for the first time i don't have a definite response. ;)
[00:43]  * nhandler would prefer not to do them again
[00:43] <duanedesign> nUboon2Age: it is definetly good to get a perspective from a new eye
[00:44] <duanedesign> Update Next meeting time on the wiki
[00:44] <duanedesign> Keep BeginnersTeam/TeamReports updated.
[00:44] <nhandler> Don't forget Send meeting minutes to ubuntu-beginners mailing list
[00:44] <duanedesign> put the logs on the wiki
[00:44] <duanedesign> and send to ML
[00:45] <duanedesign> ok anything else?
[00:45] <duanedesign> anyone?
[00:45] <duanedesign> <.<  >.>
[00:45] <nhandler> PabloRubianes or nUboon2Age: Either of you up for it?
[00:46] <duanedesign> i can do one of them
[00:46] <PabloRubianes> yes
[00:47] <nUboon2Age> duanedesign: i didn't catch the whole meeting and would prefer to observe for now. thanks.
[00:47] <duanedesign> ok then
[00:47] <duanedesign> oh one more thing
[00:48] <duanedesign> Diego is starting to organize classes that are Development related
[00:48] <duanedesign> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development/Academy
[00:48] <duanedesign> right now there is a C++ class that is taking shape
[00:48] <nhandler> Hmm...I should talk to him with my classroom hat on
[00:48] <duanedesign> should start in about a week
[00:49] <duanedesign> nhandler: would your idea be that it should be in #ubuntu-classroom
[00:49] <duanedesign> and open/advertised to the broader community?
[00:49] <nhandler> duanedesign: Probably. But I'd need to look into the nature of the classes a bit more
[00:49] <duanedesign> ok
[00:50] <duanedesign> if anyone has an idea for a class or wants to participate see the wiki page
[00:50] <duanedesign> or talk to Diego. I have also been trying to get mohi to join in this effort
[00:50] <duanedesign> he has done a good job organizing classes in ##learners
[00:50] <duanedesign> ok i think that is it :)
[00:51] <duanedesign> one more time anyone have anything to add
[00:51] <duanedesign> #endmeeting
[00:51] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 18:51.
[00:51] <duanedesign> 9 minutes to spare :)
[00:52] <duanedesign> thank you all
[00:52] <nhandler> Thanks for chairing duanedesign
[00:52] <nUboon2Age> duanedesign: :-)
[00:52] <km0r3> where can i get the logs?
[00:52] <PabloRubianes> log done, what else?
[00:53] <PabloRubianes> km0r3: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings/20100810
[00:53] <km0r3> PabloRubianes: thanks :)
[00:55] <PabloRubianes> duanedesign: what else I have to do?
[01:09] <cjohnston> duanedesign: nhandler I have kind-of hit stops of people not following through even with polite harassment..
[01:11] <duanedesign> cjohnston: thanks for the update
[16:00] <mvo> hello
[16:00] <psurbhi> o/
[16:03] <robbiew> hi
[16:08] <mvo> it looks like we are not that many people for todays meeting, is it just the three of us?
[16:18]  * robbiew votes to cancel
[20:00] <highvoltage> good afternoon/evening!
[20:00] <highvoltage> it's edubuntu meeting time, agenda is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda
[20:01] <highvoltage> Maverick release schedule is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule
[20:01]  * bencrisford waves hello
[20:02] <highvoltage> I'm kind of tired this afternoon so please bear with me :)
[20:02] <highvoltage> who do we have present? bencrisford, dgroos? anyone else? :)
[20:03] <dgroos> hi-yes, I'm here!
[20:04] <highvoltage> well, some quick notes on technical updates
[20:04] <highvoltage> feature freeze is on Thursday
[20:04] <bencrisford> thursday?! woah, ive been absent for longer than i thought :S
[20:04] <highvoltage> we're going to drop the qimo option, since there's not going to be enough time to do it properly
[20:05] <mhall119> I'm not even sure i'm going to get anything done on Qimo for 10.10, other than maybe some bug fixes
[20:05] <highvoltage> currently the edubuntu-artwork package doesn't run the gconf configuration, so the current edubuntu daily buidls look exactly the same as ubuntu
[20:05] <highvoltage> it should be fine now, I'll test after the meeting and then upload
[20:06] <highvoltage> mhall119: bug fixes are always cool :)
[20:07] <highvoltage> I have the ubiquity plugins included in our livecd package
[20:07] <highvoltage> it doesn't work at all though :)
[20:07] <highvoltage> but at least it's in for feature freeze
[20:07] <dgroos> livecd or livedvd?
[20:07] <highvoltage> so in short, a bunch of stuff isn't working but we're actually looking quite good at this stage despite it
[20:07] <highvoltage> dgroos: it's for the live dvd, but the package is called edubuntu-livecd (or something like that) :)
[20:08] <dgroos> right.
[20:09] <highvoltage> can't think of anything else technical-wise, but I'm sure there is :)
[20:10] <highvoltage> dgroos: let's move on to setup instructions!
[20:10] <dgroos> Sure
[20:10] <dgroos> We often talk about how to support teachers
[20:11] <dgroos> and I think that's also saying how to support 'novice' users of edubuntu/ubuntu in any role in education.
[20:11] <dgroos> Well, last summer a gent helped me out.  He was quite adept at Ubuntu but...
[20:12] <highvoltage> (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/BasicSetup for otherse who might not have seen it)
[20:12] <dgroos> ...setting up LTSP brought him to a near beginner level again.
[20:12] <dgroos> yes thanks...
[20:12] <dgroos> so what I'm advocating is to have a central page with a connection to the essential setup how-tos
[20:13] <dgroos> and highvoltage just sent a link to the page.
[20:13] <highvoltage> we really needed that for 10.04 already, it's great that you're taking this on, many people will appreciate it
[20:14] <dgroos> One person sent some feedback and based on that I moved some of the "mandatory tasks" to the "optional tasks" list.
[20:14] <dgroos> What do people think?
[20:14] <highvoltage> I guess not even "Install LTSP" is really a mandatory task
[20:14] <highvoltage> some people install edubuntu for a home machine as well
[20:15] <dgroos> As you can see it is in the initial stage.  I've been creating them as I do them but that's slow--need more writers, esp. those in the know.
[20:15] <highvoltage> that mandatory list looks quite typical for an ltsp lab though
[20:15] <highvoltage> dgroos: how about blogging about it and getting some people involved who read planet ubuntu?
[20:16] <highvoltage> dgroos: hmm, just realised you're not on planet ubuntu, do you have a blog?
[20:16] <dgroos> highvoltage: true, one of the givens at the top of the page is that it's for an LTSP Lab--maybe I should add some astrixs if an item is not needed for non LTSP setup--sure, I'll do that.
[20:17] <dgroos> I've got a blog but not with the readership that would make a difference :-) http://groosd.blogspot.com
[20:18] <dgroos> How about if I blog about it, then you make a short blog and refer to it?  Or, you copy it to your blog?
[20:18] <highvoltage> dgroos: yep, we can do so
[20:19] <dgroos> Right, I'll get something to you.  Thanks!
[20:19] <highvoltage> oh! that reminds me of some website news, canonical IS fixed my rights on the web server, so I can upload the new theming, etc for our website!
[20:19] <highvoltage> and we can finally fix a whole bunch of long-standing issues there as well
[20:19] <bencrisford> highvoltage, :D!
[20:19] <highvoltage> dgroos: so we can actually have an edubuntu blog or something that gets agregated to planet ubuntu
[20:20] <highvoltage> dgroos: that might be kind of useful for announcing these kind of things
[20:20] <dgroos> That is a cool idea--a kind of group blog?
[20:21] <highvoltage> dgroos: something like that, yes
[20:22] <dgroos> Interesting--keep sending e-mails to the lists for example with this info--we need some chatter!
[20:23] <highvoltage> I'll send the meeting notes to the list, and then some seperate updates on the website as it progresses
[20:23] <dgroos> OK that's all I wanted to put out there.  Any feedback is always useful.  I'll make a post and send the link out to our list serve as well!
[20:23] <dgroos> highvoltage: which website do you mean?
[20:24] <highvoltage> dgroos: edubuntu website. I meant, post updates about the website to the list as the website progresses
[20:24] <dgroos> ah, right.
[20:25] <highvoltage> dgroos: are you fine with leading up the documentation?
[20:25] <dgroos> As a blind man is describing the surface of the moon, but yes.
[20:26] <highvoltage> dgroos: I'd like to make you the contact person for people who'd like to contribute to documentation, there's often people who want to help but we don't really have nice structure, so we end up losing them
[20:26] <highvoltage> dgroos: in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king ;)
[20:26] <dgroos> ;)
[20:27] <highvoltage> we need to come up with some low-maintenance ideas for using the website to engage with teachers
[20:28] <dgroos> would you link to the site here...
[20:28] <highvoltage> dgroos: well, it's edubuntu.org, but the new stuff isn't up yet, and still in progress :)
[20:29] <dgroos> cool.
[20:29] <highvoltage> I think having stories of schools and users who use edubuntu in any capacity would be nice. a showcase that shows what works and what doesn't work yet with existing users
[20:30] <highvoltage> we've received stories before but they got lost in people's mailboxes and list archives, which is pretty sad really
[20:30] <rockstar> Why don't we just mine the list archives for them?
[20:31] <rockstar> Isn't that what archives are for?
[20:32] <highvoltage> rockstar: yep, that's the plan! I have most of them flagged, it's just that keeping them there and not exposing them more is a bit boring
[20:32] <rockstar> highvoltage, mining in general is boring.  :)
[20:33] <dgroos> To get more utility/followership, I'd suggest that we not focus *just* on using edubuntu in education (though that would be the backbone of it all).
[20:33] <highvoltage> dgroos: indeed. it would be a start, at least
[20:34] <highvoltage> dgroos: I'd also be glad to even include news of what might be viewed as 'our competition'. like k12-ltsp, debian-edu, etc
[20:34] <highvoltage> oh and Qimo :)
[20:34] <dgroos> This is because, edubuntu is just a piece of the puzzle to the teacher, but for example, how does one go about crafting assignments that use computers in a classroom when there is only 4 computers in the room?
[20:35] <dgroos> I'm talking about that practical stuff, practical for the teacher anyway.
[20:36] <highvoltage> dgroos: articles that give tips on that, would be absolutely amazing. if we could get to the point where we had resources like that, I'd consider it a very important milestone for the project
[20:36] <dgroos> cool.
[20:37] <dgroos> I didn't know that.  I wonder if other teachers didn't as well?
[20:37] <highvoltage> dgroos: I guess there's lots of things and improvisations that teachers do with computers that we don't know about, which is also why I'm so anxious to get them to share ideas
[20:38] <highvoltage> dgroos: hopefully we'll soon have some more platform and a bigger voice to get the word out there
[20:39] <dgroos> As I've said, I can't imagine that the knowledge base required to teach effectively is any smaller than the knowledge base required to program effectively.
[20:40] <dgroos> making space on the website for those different knowledge domains would be useful...
[20:40] <highvoltage> I think with 10.10 edubuntu will probably be where I wanted it to be 3 years ago already. it is getting a lot easier to use and install, and there's some great admin tools emerging
[20:40] <highvoltage> ah, also on the technical front, I forgot to mention that nanny is now uploaded in the archive, I uploaded it last friday and we'll be able to include it in Edubuntu for maverick
[20:40] <dgroos> I'm very happy with 10.04!  Can't wait to see about 10.10.
[20:41] <dgroos> Good for home users--I'll need it as my son gets a bit older :)
[20:42] <highvoltage> if we can get edubuntu to the point where it's a great platform to create lessons and give classes, along with good documentation and examples of how to do that by other teachers, then I think it could help a really huge amount of people out there
[20:42] <highvoltage> anyway, sorry if I babble too much about this, I just think it's really important
[20:43] <dgroos> Yes, and what people are doing is laying important groundwork for this.  THANKS!
[20:43] <dgroos> babbling isn't done just by brooks, you know :)
[20:43] <highvoltage> brooks?
[20:45] <dgroos> hmmm... babbling brooks, hmmm... trying to explain it shows me I'm being a bit too stream-of-conscious...
[20:45] <highvoltage> heh, I looked on the urban dictionary but couldn't see anything relevant :)
[20:46] <highvoltage> I need to leave in a minute or so, anything else we need to cover?
[20:47] <bencrisford> highvoltage, i was going to mention marketing materials, but I guess it isnt urgent
[20:48] <dgroos> i'll expound further in #edubuntu :)
[20:49] <highvoltage> bencrisford: ok, make noise about it in the channel and lists so long, let's discuss it in the meantime and also in next week's meeting!
[20:49] <highvoltage> I'll fix our artwork package a bit later today at least
[20:49] <bencrisford> ill email the list in a min :)
[20:50] <highvoltage> but I guess this is the end of our meeting, next one is same time next week!
[20:50] <highvoltage> *GONG*