[00:04] <lhavelund> !offtopic
[00:05] <lhavelund> +1.
[02:51] <Flannel> popey: You don't want to do that though, your signal to noise ratio goes down
[02:51] <Flannel> Also, did someone ask for ubottu to stop doing that?
[05:01] <maco> ipc in -ot is swearing after being told off for it
[05:01] <maco> IdleOne, Flannel ??
[05:02] <IdleOne> yes
[05:02] <maco> IdleOne: are you a -ot op?
[05:02] <IdleOne> I don't have ops in -ot
[05:02] <maco> oh oops
[05:02] <IdleOne> funkyHat: ping
[05:02] <IdleOne> txwikinger ping
[05:04] <IdleOne> maco: I believe elky does
[05:16] <Flannel> maco: I'm here
[05:16] <maco> Flannel: too late. tony got it
[05:16] <Flannel> Ah, as is Mr Yarusso
[05:16] <IdleOne> hmm tony?
[05:16] <IdleOne> first name basis
[05:16] <maco> tonyyarusso
[05:17] <IdleOne> lol
[05:17]  * IdleOne is silly
[05:17] <maco> actually, there's this commercial where the tagline is "Tony's got it!" so i was thinking of that
[05:17] <maco> for like a year i read tonyyarusso as "tonya russo"
[06:28] <dvinchi> hi me podrian kitar el ban?
[06:28] <IdleOne> dvinchi: do you speak english?
[06:29] <dvinchi> IdleOne, no speak ingles
[06:30] <IdleOne> que canal?
[06:33] <IdleOne> dvinchi: entra in #ubuntu-irc i ablas con un op de #ubuntu-es
[06:37] <dvinchi> me podrian kitar el ban de ubuntu-es
[06:38] <dvinchi> ??
[06:38] <dvinchi> please
[06:38] <bazhang> dvinchi, not here
[06:38] <bazhang> dvinchi, /join #ubuntu-irc
[06:39] <IdleOne> dvinchi: tiennes que entrar in #ubuntu-irc por reglar este ban
[06:41] <IdleOne> dvinchi: Por favor, haga este canal.
[06:42] <dvinchi> ya fui ahi
[06:42] <dvinchi> pero nadie contesta
[06:42] <IdleOne> a hora tienne que esperar
[06:43] <IdleOne> pero no in este canal.
[06:43] <dvinchi> ok
[06:44] <bazhang> nice Spanish :)
[06:44] <IdleOne> err rusty
[06:44] <IdleOne> my spelling is way off
[06:44] <IdleOne> haven't spoken it in 1.5 yrs
[06:46] <IdleOne> My brother in law is from El Salvador but refuses to speak to me in Spanish :/
[06:46] <IdleOne> I have to go back to the US so I can speak in Spanish more
[06:46] <IdleOne> heh
[08:28] <xdpirate> why the hell do i keep getting redirected in here?!
[08:39] <IdleOne> Little hard to tell the motivation behind some bans without comments. I am guessing his ban was due to the /part message he chose.
[12:12] <jpds> ikonia: Dude, your friend's back in -server as Somoel?
[12:32] <ikonia> not again
[12:32] <ikonia> can someone with ops in -server please remove Somoel he is ban dodging
[12:33] <ikonia> and please put the bshellz.net ban in place as I've put on ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu/ubuntu-offtopic
[12:38] <ikonia> jussi: I've put a blanket ban on bzshells rather than just the one host as the admins do not wish to limit people to just signing up and getting another shell
[12:38] <ikonia> the conversations I've had with them, they don't really want to police users on their box, so I put a blanket ban in place, ala tor
[12:39] <jussi> ikonia: I want to have a chat about that issue with the rest of the ircc first.
[12:40] <ikonia> sure, but just be aware there is blanket bans in #ubuntu/#kubuntu/#xubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:40] <ikonia> I removed the shellium ones as the admin's are keen to keep their servers clean and policed
[13:26] <bazhang> wonder if that is happydonut (termtermterm)
[13:37] <bazhang> servertech bot run by servertechpro was banned as a repeater bot earlier (again banned)
[14:09] <txwikinger> IdleOne: pong
[14:16] <John-Smith> hello plz unbanned me in ubuntu-offtopic
[14:16] <ikonia> jungli - no
[14:16] <John-Smith> i dunno why i banned there ?
[14:16] <ikonia> you do
[14:16] <ikonia> please don't play dumb jungli
[14:17] <John-Smith> now i got the job and i stop trolling
[14:17] <ikonia> too late
[14:17] <ikonia> you joined this channel the other day, tried to troll me with "debian rocks | ikoina£ then left
[14:17] <ikonia> your behaviour is unacceptable, you will not be unbanned
[14:18] <John-Smith> plz sir kindly grant ny request
[14:18] <ikonia> no
[14:18] <bazhang> !appeals > John-Smith
[14:18] <John-Smith> now i am php devloper and i want to make my friend at there :)
[14:18] <ikonia> John-Smith: please follow the appeals process bazhang has just had ubottu pm you
[14:19] <ikonia> John-Smith: you will not be unbanned at this time,
[14:19] <John-Smith> ok sir as your wish but i am happy now :)
[14:19] <ikonia> ok, bye
[14:20] <Pici> ugh
[14:20] <bazhang> just joined #ubuntu
[14:20] <ikonia> he'll be fine
[15:31] <ikonia> good form pici
[15:31] <Pici> I hit the enter key pretty hard there :P
[15:32] <ikonia> make sure that ban sticks !
[16:06] <jpds>  
[16:54] <Pici> lies
[18:37] <jpds> gr.archive DOWN.
[18:37] <Pici> Thanks for the heads up
[20:36] <ikonia> I thought the bot had been stopped messaging the channel ?
[20:50] <ikonia> jpds: what happened ?
[20:50] <jpds> Oh, packages.u.c.
[21:01] <ikonia> didn't sticky get kicked for debian comments the other day ?
[21:01]  * Pici shrugs
[21:02] <gnomefreak> what is sticky?
[21:02] <Pici> a stick?
[21:02] <IdleOne> a nick
[21:02] <ikonia> a user
[21:02] <ikonia> and BT disagrees with me
[21:02] <gnomefreak> oh
[21:33] <guntbert> what happened to my edit request for !releases?
[21:42] <ikonia> guntbert: give me a minute, I don't know about your request, but lets sort it out
[21:42] <ikonia> alkisg: hi there
[21:42] <alkisg> Hello
[21:42] <ikonia> what's up, and how can we help today
[21:43] <alkisg> I was just looking how can we add bots for #edubuntu, but I see highvoltage is an ubuntu-ops, so I guess we're ok :)
[21:43] <alkisg> ***not bots, facts
[21:43] <ikonia> which bot ?
[21:43] <alkisg> ubottu, but not bot, I mean just facts
[21:43] <alkisg> E.g. !setup-ltsp is  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/installLTSPlucid
[21:43] <ikonia> if you do !fact is = blah
[21:43] <ikonia> it will get submitted for addition
[21:44] <alkisg> Is this for all channels? Or can we have #edubuntu - specific facts?
[21:44] <ikonia> if you ask in edubuntu it gets forwarded and you can have an edubuntu only factoid,
[21:44] <ikonia> guntbert: you there ?
[21:45] <guntbert> ikonia: yes
[21:45] <ikonia> guntbert: want to give me a quick overview ?
[21:45] <alkisg> Is there some way to mark requests as edubuntu specific?
[21:45] <alkisg> (requests done from #edubuntu)
[21:45] <ikonia> alkisg: maybe drop in here and say "this is an edubuntu only factoid"
[21:45] <ikonia> other than that, I don't think so
[21:46] <ikonia> or you can do !no fact-#edubuntu is blah
[21:46] <guntbert> ikonia: of course - the releases factoid contains a broken link (http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases), I fond and provided a fix
[21:46] <ikonia> !releases
[21:46] <guntbert> *found
[21:46] <ikonia> guntbert: what's the link ?
[21:46] <alkisg> Thank you ikonia, I wouldn't want to bother people here much, so I'll make a list and ask when it's somewhat complete :)
[21:46] <ikonia> alkisg: it's no bother, always happy to help
[21:47] <guntbert> ikonia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[21:47] <guntbert> the complete request was
[21:47] <guntbert> !no releases is reply Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[21:47] <ikonia> !no releases is <reply> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[21:47] <ikonia> darn it, jumped the gun
[21:48] <guntbert> releases
[21:48] <ikonia> guntbert: is what I've put acceptable ?
[21:48] <guntbert> !releases
[21:49] <ikonia> thank you hook
[21:49] <guntbert> ikonia: of course - I did the same thing - just replace one link with another
[21:49] <ikonia> cool
[21:49] <h00k> ikonia: you're welcome
[21:49] <ikonia> just checking
[21:49] <h00k> I joined just in time, apparently
[21:49] <ikonia> guntbert: saw you ask a few times, so all good now ?
[21:50] <guntbert> ikonia: all good now - I only wondered why it took two days for someone to fix it after I did the search already :-)
[21:51] <ikonia> sorry for being slow, I was a bit out of the loop on what you where asking
[21:51] <ikonia> I don't know what the delay was as I miseed the conversation, but someone can always change it to something better, I'd rather not have a broken link for such an important factoid though
[21:51] <ikonia> good eyes guntbert
[21:52] <guntbert> ikonia: no, please don't misunderstand - its perfectly ok to not immediately know what is the matter - I was talking about the team as a whole....
[21:52] <ikonia> guntbert: ~I'm sure it was a disscussion point, but as no-ones piped up to stop me, I'm sure if can be changed later if this a problem
[21:52] <ikonia> right, I'm away for a while,
[21:52] <ikonia> thanks
[21:52] <guntbert> ikonia: have a nice time and thx :-)
[22:17] <arrrghhh> why?
[22:17] <ikonia> arrrghhh: thanks for joining
[22:17] <ikonia> arrrghhh: it's only 2 minutes as I don't want to talk in #ubuntu
[22:17] <arrrghhh> pm?  meh.
[22:17] <ikonia> I totally understnad how frustrating it is when someone won't help themsevles, but you can't tell them to leave, or call them a lazy piece of .....
[22:18] <arrrghhh> when they're obviously being a you-know-what?
[22:18] <arrrghhh> i'm here to help, but not when people act like that.
[22:18] <maco> a non-technical end user?
[22:18] <ikonia> there obviously not computer familier, or a little ahead of their time
[22:18] <ikonia> arrrghhh: your a good helper, so I don't want you to have a problem in ubuntu, just walk away if it winds you up
[22:19] <arrrghhh> uhm that dude obviously was just being a jerk.
[22:19] <arrrghhh> perhaps you didn't read what he said...
[22:19] <ikonia> arrrghhh: what did I miss
[22:19] <ikonia> arrrghhh: I may have missed something
 arrrghhh: not wqhen you can do it for me
[22:19] <arrrghhh> in response to my link that i hand-fed him.
[22:19] <ikonia> arrrghhh: ok - so that's lazy and I'll speak to him about that
[22:20] <ikonia> that's not what helping is about,
[22:20] <arrrghhh> well it's not just lazy
[22:20] <ikonia> at the same time, you can't tell him to leave or call him a name
[22:20] <arrrghhh> excuse my french, but that's being a prick.
[22:20] <ikonia> arrrghhh: I agree, and I'll speak to him about it
[22:20] <arrrghhh> that's the thing, i didn't call him a name.  i agree i shouldn't have said lazy piece of... but i stopped short of actually calling him anything :P
[22:20] <ikonia> arrrghhh: I know, but we all know what you meant
[22:20] <maco> uh, actually i would say that you called him lazy
[22:21] <arrrghhh> well yea
[22:21] <arrrghhh> he is
[22:21] <arrrghhh> that's a fact
[22:21] <maco> which is calling him something
[22:21] <arrrghhh> wow... alrighty then.
[22:21] <ikonia> arrrghhh: everyone gets frustrated and loses it once in a while, so don't worry, just please (easier said than done) just walk away
[22:21] <arrrghhh> i'm fine
[22:21]  * maco recommends lolcats
[22:21] <arrrghhh> it's just when my help is met with that
[22:21] <arrrghhh> makes me a little upset
[22:21] <ikonia> arrrghhh: great, I know how frustrating that is
[22:21] <ikonia> it's easy to do,
[22:22] <ikonia> if you want to jump out of this channel and back into ubuntu, that's fine, I just wanted 2 minutes for you to calm down and see why you where getting spoken to about it,
[22:22] <arrrghhh> lol that's fine.  i knew why you were talking to me.
[22:22] <arrrghhh> i knew what i 'did wrong'.
[22:22] <ikonia> cool,
[22:24] <ikonia> arrrghhh: if you want to drop out of this channel, I'll talk to the other party now
[22:24] <arrrghhh> fine
[22:24] <ikonia> thanks
[22:24] <ikonia> arrrghhh: ?
[22:24] <arrrghhh> sorry wanted to see the topic of the channel
[22:24] <arrrghhh> wondering what it is for haha :P
[22:25] <ikonia> arrrghhh: as discussed please
[22:25] <ikonia> Emery: be with you in a moment
[22:25] <ikonia> thank you for joining
[22:25] <Emery> ok
[22:25] <arrrghhh> oh you want me to leave?  sorry.
[22:25] <ikonia> arrrghhh: thanks
[22:26] <Emery> ok so ?
[22:26] <ikonia> Emery: just wanted to talk to you about what just went on in #ubuntu
[22:26] <ikonia> first of all we've spoke to arrrghhh and explained he shouldn't have called you names or been so agressive, which he agress on , so no excuses there
[22:27] <ikonia> that said, the channl is full of people who give there time for free, and spend a lot of time helping people, so when there is a link on page saying "click here for detailed instructions" and someone points you at that, responding with "so you can do it for me" isn't really going to help build a positive relationship with them
[22:27] <Emery> ok
[22:28] <Emery> i responded with that due to his sarky comment
[22:28] <Emery> i had checked that link before hand
[22:28] <Emery> or i wouldn't of asked
[22:28] <ikonia> ok, so explaining that in your question may help people be more tollerent
[22:28] <ikonia> eg: I've read the link on how to install, but I'm stuck with X, Y and Z
[22:29] <Emery> well there are various ways i could of asked the question, granted.
[22:30] <Emery> but the response was far from acceptable
[22:30] <ikonia> I agree, and that's been delt with
[22:30] <Emery> and if he's a member of staff, then it's even worse
[22:30] <ikonia> it would just be a little more helpful if you could explain your question better so there is no missunderstanding and people will  be more tollerent
[22:30] <ikonia> he's not a member of the operator team
[22:31] <ikonia> if someone does respond with a negative comment, don't respond back with a sarcastic comment to futher provoke the situation
[22:31] <ikonia> that's all really
[22:31] <ikonia> help yourself get the answers by asking a good question, and not provoking a situation if one arises
[22:32] <ikonia> (I know it's easier said than done also )
[22:32] <Emery> to be honest i've been using linux for around 5 years i got abit lazy
[22:32] <ikonia> everyone does
[22:33] <ikonia> Emery: that's all I wanted to talk to you about really,
[22:34] <Emery> while im here though
[22:34] <ikonia> what's up ?
[22:34] <Emery> anywhere i can sign up to help with dev or anything ?
[22:34] <ikonia> Emery: there are tons of ways to contribute
[22:34] <ikonia> !contribute
[22:34] <ikonia> !motu
[22:35] <ikonia> take a look at those to get you started
[22:35] <Emery> im looking for somthing more than channel help
[22:35] <Emery> oki
[22:35] <ikonia> yes, check those links out
[22:35] <Emery> i shall
[22:35] <Emery> alot of spare timer between working at the moment
[22:36] <Emery> time*
[22:36] <ikonia> those links will get you started
[22:36] <Emery> alright :)
[22:36] <Emery> excuse me while i go for a smoke
[22:37] <ikonia> Emery: you're welcome to leave the channel now, as we have a non-idle policy
[22:37] <ikonia> (unless there is something else you need from the operator team)
[22:38] <Emery> sorry i was rolling a cig, will you be around for further assistance if needed?
[22:38] <ikonia> sure
[22:38] <ikonia> you're welcome to rejoin if you need something from us
[22:38] <ikonia> the team is normally active 24x7 and all can help
[22:38] <Emery> 1 more thing
[22:38] <ikonia> sure
[22:38] <Emery> i see ubuntu originated in ireland, that true?
[22:39] <ikonia> canonical was orginally setup in ireland, the history is on the canonical website
[22:39] <ikonia> there are a couple of staff members in here who probably knowbetter, but they don't seem active at the moment
[22:40] <Emery> right im going to dash finish my kubuntu installation, i'll be back later will you be able to provide those links for me again when i'm back
[22:40] <ikonia> Emery: you can check them yourself, hit !contribute and !motu in any channel with ubottu in
[22:40] <ikonia> Emery: or send a pm to the bot (it's called ubottu)
[22:40] <Emery> alright thanks for the help
[22:41] <ikonia> welcome
[23:01] <hgfgjfgffg> why am I banned form #kubuntu when I never was there before?
[23:01] <IdleOne> hgfgjfgffg: /join #kubuntu-proxy-users wait for the bot to grant access to #kubuntu usually only takes a few seconds
[23:02] <IdleOne> You sre welcome
[23:02] <IdleOne> are*
[23:03] <IdleOne> Can someone please reset the forward to #kubuntu-proxy-users in #kubuntu please.
[23:42] <ikonia> I've just removed it in #ubuntu by mistake, what an idiot
[23:44] <ikonia> great, now it won't set
[23:44] <ikonia> ahhh there we go
[23:45] <IdleOne> you removed it again in #ubuntu
[23:45] <ikonia> because it was wrong
[23:45] <ikonia> either chanserv is responding really really slow, or something is wrong
[23:47] <ikonia> it won't set ???
[23:48] <ikonia> it's the forward ??? it won't set with the forward on
[23:48] <IdleOne> hmm
[23:48] <IdleOne>  *!*@gateway/web/*#ubuntu-proxy-users is the proper ban?
[23:48] <ikonia> no
[23:48] <Pici> You need to be opped in -proxy-users to set it
[23:48] <ikonia> do you ??
[23:49] <Pici> yes
[23:49] <ikonia> I've never seen that before ?
[23:49] <Pici> The channel is not set +F
[23:49] <ikonia> that's odd, I can't op in proxy-users either ??
[23:49] <ikonia> I'm sure I used to be able to
[23:51] <ikonia> now it works, good spot pici
[23:51] <ikonia> I guess I'll need to be op'd in #kubuntu-proxy-users to change #kubuntu to
[23:51] <Pici> yes
[23:51] <ikonia> clearly I missed the memo on that part ;)
[23:52] <IdleOne> So if I understand this right, +F will allow a forward from any channel?
[23:52] <ikonia> not allow
[23:53] <ikonia> done #kubuntu
[23:53] <ikonia> bed time
[23:53] <ikonia> thanks Pici, nice spot
[23:53] <IdleOne> good night
[23:54] <IdleOne> and thank you ikonia
[23:56] <Pici> IdleOne: yep, goodnight
[23:56] <Pici> IdleOne: er, not you
[23:56] <Pici> ikonia: goodnight
[23:57] <IdleOne> Pici: so a channel set to +F could be abused
[23:57] <IdleOne> because it would accept forwards from any location
[23:59] <Pici> Yes.
[23:59] <Pici> IdleOne: but its useful for places like ##fix_your_connection