[00:57] <nhandler> akgraner: FYI, if you hit 'Don't Notify Guests' when you change an event, you won't cause people to get a million emails about the changes ;)
[04:29] <akgraner> nhandler, crap I never remember that :-/  (I'll add that to my checklist, maybe it will become habit)
[12:03] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards can't see any women in the pipeline
[12:04] <AlanBell> correct me if I am wrong
[12:53] <elky> Looks like you're correct
[18:56] <pleia2> can someone chair the meeting today in 2 hours? I'll be around but work has been pretty busy today so I'd rather not be responsible for chairing if possible :)
[19:10] <AlanBell> if nobody else leaps forward I am happy to run the agenda
[19:11] <AlanBell> or if someone hasn't done it before and wants to learn I am happy to do a little mootbot lesson
[19:12] <AlanBell> option 2 would be my preference
[19:13]  * MarkDude is willing to *try*
[19:13] <MarkDude> If theere are no objections
[19:29] <pleia2> btw, agenda is here, if anyone has any last minute additions: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/August2010/Agenda
[19:31] <pleia2> (well, last 90 minutes, hehe)
[19:32]  * belkinsa hopes the power doesn't go out
[20:11] <MichelleQ> Have I missed the meeting yet again?
[20:11] <AlanBell> nope
[20:11] <MichelleQ> oh good
[20:11] <AlanBell> 50 minutes
[20:11] <AlanBell> want to chair it?
[20:12] <MarkDude> You would be a great chair MichelleQ
[20:12] <MichelleQ> erm, not particularly
[20:12] <MichelleQ> next time around, perhaps.
[20:12] <MarkDude> Still better than having me do it :D
[20:12] <AlanBell> no time like the present!
[20:13] <MichelleQ> I'm not there mentally today
[20:13] <MarkDude> It would be a great time to drop a Qimo shoutout
[20:13] <AlanBell> okies, no pressure either
[20:13] <MichelleQ> hahaha, no worries.  I'm just a little scatterbrained today
[20:14]  * maco invites MichelleQ to #gally
[20:14]  * MichelleQ wanders that direction
[20:14] <maco> Pendulum: you too
[20:14]  * MarkDude looks maco 's direction
[20:14]  * AlanBell notes MichelleQ has subscribed to the gally-photoshoot blueprint
[20:15] <maco> AlanBell: that was me. i was being pushy ;-)
[20:15] <MichelleQ> I have?
[20:15] <MichelleQ> Good to know
[20:15] <AlanBell> ha
[20:15] <MichelleQ> What's another committee?  :D
[20:15] <maco> MichelleQ: you'll be at uds and know some sign, so i volunteered you to come to a bof session thingy at uds to play with cameras and signing
[20:15] <MichelleQ> sure thing
[20:16] <MichelleQ> I'll have to make sure my schedule works out to be there
[20:16] <AlanBell> lights camera action
[20:16] <MichelleQ> maco: are you familiar with the ASL video database?
[20:16] <maco> nope
[20:16] <nigelb> MichelleQ: If I make it there and you folks aren't.  I will kick you, Mike and Chris.
[20:16] <maco> i know wiktionary's working on one
[20:17] <MichelleQ> nigelb: We will be there, at some point
[20:17] <MichelleQ> maco: hang on, I'll go find
[20:17] <MichelleQ> maco: http://www.aslpro.com/cgi-bin/aslpro/aslpro.cgi
[20:17] <AlanBell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/gally/+spec/gally-photoshoot
[20:18] <MichelleQ> AlanBell: I'm definitely happy to help
[20:19] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:20] <MichelleQ> hey there, czajkowski
[20:21] <belkinsa> Hey Cza.
[20:21] <maco> MichelleQ: "The copying, redistribution, use or publication by you of any such matters or any part of the Site is strictly prohibited. "
[20:21] <AlanBell> and lots of adverts
[20:22] <MichelleQ> maco: yeah, I know, just found it useful
[20:25] <AlanBell> ok, lots of people here now, anyone want to chair the meeting, or have a practice with the bot?
[20:29] <MichelleQ> is there a specific agenda for this meeting?
[20:30] <belkinsa> Yes: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/August2010/Agenda?action=show&redirect=Meetings%2FAgenda
[20:30] <czajkowski> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/August2010/Agenda
[20:31] <AlanBell> and the chair has a copy and pasteable version here http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/August2010/Agenda2/MeetingChairAgenda
[20:31] <czajkowski> I can chair if ye want I don't mind
[20:31] <AlanBell> perfect
[20:32] <czajkowski> but most of the topics need pleia2 there for them
[20:32] <pleia2> I'll be here, just would rather not be chair
[20:33] <czajkowski> pleia2: if I chair will you talk :)
[20:35] <pleia2> sure (insert typical disclaimer that I'm at work and if something comes up I'll have to deal with it)
[20:35] <pleia2> I just don't want to hold up the meeting as chair if that occurs ;)
[20:36] <czajkowski> grand job
[20:39] <czajkowski> I've a skype call at 10 so as long as it doesnt run over
[20:49]  * MarkDude is happy that czajkowski can chair, yay
[21:00] <czajkowski> okdokie folks
[21:00] <czajkowski> wakie wakie rise and shine
[21:00] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
[21:00] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting started at 20:00. The chair is czajkowski.
[21:00] <Mootbot-UK> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:00] <czajkowski> Aloha and welcome to the Ubuntu women Team meeting
[21:00] <nigelb> \o
[21:00] <czajkowski> who's present
[21:00] <czajkowski> o/
[21:00] <AlanBell> o/
[21:00] <pleia2> o/
[21:00] <MichelleQ> o/
[21:00] <belkinsa> \o
[21:00] <althara> me
[21:00] <highvoltage> o/
[21:00] <contrary> present
[21:01] <belkinsa> o/
[21:01] <IdleOne> o/
[21:01] <czajkowski> Great
[21:01] <czajkowski> [TOPIC] - Open Items
[21:01] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - Open Items
[21:01] <czajkowski> [PROGRESS REPORT] Maverick Blueprint progress
[21:01] <Mootbot-UK> Progress Report:  Maverick Blueprint progress
[21:01] <czajkowski> [link] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-m-ubuntu-women-project-m-goals
[21:01] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-m-ubuntu-women-project-m-goals
[21:01] <pleia2> no updates for mentoring docs, sorry :\
[21:01] <pleia2> I'll try to get to it this week
[21:01] <czajkowski> okie dokie
[21:02] <pleia2> no elky for website update
[21:02] <czajkowski> pleia2: should I update the action item for the mins ?
[21:02] <pleia2> I don't think so, I can't commit to a timeframe
[21:02] <czajkowski> grand
[21:02] <czajkowski> [link] http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Roadmap-M
[21:02] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Roadmap-M
[21:03] <czajkowski> [PROGRESS REPORT] Follow-up on fixed election dates - elky
[21:03] <Mootbot-UK> Progress Report:  Follow-up on fixed election dates - elky
[21:03] <pleia2> oh, identify content to be redeveloped, yeah I still need to do that too
[21:03] <czajkowski> is elky present?
[21:03] <maco> czajkowski: its like 5AM where she is, so i think not
[21:04] <pleia2> she requested a reminder at a meeting a few weeks ago, so someone should remind her that this is an action item :)
[21:04] <czajkowski> maco: just asking :)
[21:04] <nigelb> oh we've pinged her enough already
[21:04] <nigelb> 26
[21:04] <pleia2> nigelb: someone already sent a reminder?
[21:04] <czajkowski> might also be an idea to add topics for the timezone meeting folks can possibly make it to ?
[21:04] <czajkowski> ok moving on so
[21:04] <nigelb> pleia2: ah, that.  I can :)
[21:04] <czajkowski> [TOPIC] - Contact address on launchpad - pleia2
[21:04] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - Contact address on launchpad - pleia2
[21:05] <pleia2> nigelb: thanks :)
[21:05] <czajkowski> currently goes to everyone, is this preferred? Should it go to mailing list instead? Or (one of the|) team leaders?
[21:05] <pleia2> I think the options are "everyone" or "single email address"
[21:06] <pleia2> single email address can be our mailing list (but list admins would have to agree, since they need to moderate)
[21:06] <pleia2> but I don't think there is an option for just "team admins"
[21:06] <pleia2> I'd like it to go to the mailing list
[21:06] <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-women/+contactuser that is this thing for those wondering
[21:06] <Pendulum> pleia2: +1
[21:06] <nigelb> pleia2: +1, I was about to suggest.
[21:07] <czajkowski> [link] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-women/+contactuser
[21:07] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-women/+contactuser
[21:07] <highvoltage> what some teams have done is create a new team called team-admins and then they make that the contact (it's surely suboptimal, but it does kind of work)
[21:07] <czajkowski> ok so shall we agree/action it to be mailing list
[21:07] <belkinsa> pieia2: +1
[21:07] <pleia2> highvoltage: can email be directed to the owner?
[21:07] <pleia2> highvoltage: (also, such a team is the next on the agenda ;))
[21:07] <AlanBell> how many mails have been sent that way?
[21:08] <pleia2> AlanBell: one every 3-6 months, and it's terribly confusing to everyone
[21:08] <highvoltage> pleia2: I don't think so
[21:08] <AlanBell> actually, "You are contacting 237 members of the Ubuntu-Women Team (ubuntu-women) team directly." is kind of offputting
[21:08] <akk> Aren't all the "goals have been updated" mails from that as well? I get those fairly regularly.
[21:08] <highvoltage> pleia2: well it can if the contact address is set to the owner, but then (as you probably know), just the owner will get it
[21:08] <Pendulum> AlanBell: people don't necessarily notice that bit
[21:08] <pleia2> highvoltage: oh ok, cool
[21:08] <nigelb> akk: that could be from subscribing to the blueprint.
[21:08] <czajkowski> akk: is that the blueprint ?
[21:09] <akk> right, the blueprint
[21:09] <pleia2> akk: I believe so, since "the team" is subscribed to the blueprint, and the team email address is "everyone"
[21:09] <pleia2> I don't think we want just team admins to see these emails
[21:09] <czajkowski> ok so can we agree on taking this to the mailing list for further discussion ?
[21:10] <pleia2> I dunno, highvoltage had a suggestion but I think the rest of us agreed that sending to the mailing list address is ok (so long as the mail admins agree)
[21:10] <hypatia> oh crap, meeting
[21:10] <hypatia> hi!
[21:10] <czajkowski> hypatia: aloha!
[21:10] <hypatia> sorry i'm late, folks
[21:11] <czajkowski> hypatia: no bother :)
[21:11] <AlanBell> I kind of like highvoltage's suggestion
[21:11] <highvoltage> pleia2: the mailing list sounds good! I was just mentioning the teams-concept fwiw, sorry for the noise :)
[21:11] <belkinsa> AlanBell:  +1
[21:11] <czajkowski> [AGREE] Propose to mailing list admins setting launchpad contact email to mailing list
[21:11] <pleia2> AlanBell: but then the UW team won't get blueprint updates, and people who think they're sending to the list (as all these emails so far seem to believe) will only get to admins
[21:12] <AlanBell> pleia2: I don't like it so much any more then!
[21:12] <pleia2> unless a leader forwards them, which is sub-optimal
[21:12] <czajkowski> [AGREED] Propose to mailing list admins setting launchpad contact email to mailing list
[21:12] <Mootbot-UK> AGREED received:  Propose to mailing list admins setting launchpad contact email to mailing list
[21:12] <czajkowski> me and the bot are going to have a falling out one of these days :)
[21:12] <pleia2> hehe
[21:12] <czajkowski> [TOPIC] - Creation of a ubuntu-women-leaders/council/board team - pleia2
[21:12] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - Creation of a ubuntu-women-leaders/council/board team - pleia2
[21:12] <czajkowski> like other teams do to own the ubuntu-women so we don't need to toggle admin status for leaders in LP for each new election cycle
[21:13] <nigelb> Its a good idea.  +1
[21:13] <pleia2> yeah, svaksha brought up what a pain it was to swap out admins all the time, and I tend to agree, this would remove that problem
[21:13] <pleia2> (and the leaders need admin on LP to handle blueprints and things)
[21:13] <belkinsa> Agreed, +1.
[21:13] <MichelleQ> good with me
[21:14] <AlanBell> fine, the question is leaders or council or board I guess
[21:14] <Pendulum> sounds good to me as well
[21:14] <Dolasilla> +1 (hi all! sorry, I'm late.. :( )
[21:14] <czajkowski> +1 sounds good to me
[21:14] <pleia2> AlanBell: leaders, there are 3 of us, we're essentially the board/council
[21:14] <pleia2> elected
[21:14] <pleia2> ok, so I'll create the new leader team
[21:14] <pleia2> oh wait, I think we can AGREED this one :)
[21:15] <nigelb> you'll have to work out a workflow for it though. Like who will own that team, etc.
[21:15] <maco> nigelb: CC should own it, IMO
[21:15] <czajkowski> [agreed] pleia2 to create the new ubuntu-women-leaders  team
[21:15] <Mootbot-UK> AGREED received:  pleia2 to create the new ubuntu-women-leaders  team
[21:15] <AlanBell> turtles all the way down
[21:15] <czajkowski> [TOPIC] - Pollka - AlanBell / elky
[21:15] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - Pollka - AlanBell / elky
[21:15] <nigelb> \o/
[21:15] <czajkowski> what happened next with the UW photo competition code
[21:16] <AlanBell> ok, so as elky has yet to be waken by the kookaburras I will talk on this
[21:16] <AlanBell> so the UW photo competition was great, and ran on some code elky knocked together for the purpose
[21:16] <nigelb> pollka.net
[21:16] <highvoltage> I need to leave in a minute or two, so sorry if I'm saying this out of place, but I thought some of you might be glad to hear that the next UBuntu Release Manager is a woman: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-August/031102.html
[21:17] <AlanBell> in #ubuntu-uk we are choosing a new logo and I was hunting about for an image voting thingie to use
[21:17] <pleia2> thanks highvoltage :)
[21:17] <AlanBell> and I realised that the photo competition one would work great
[21:17] <AlanBell> elky has created a project around the code now, there is an IRC channel #pollka
[21:17] <AlanBell> and website http://pollka.net
[21:17] <pleia2> cool
[21:18] <AlanBell> [link]  http://pollka.net
[21:18] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:   http://pollka.net
[21:18] <maco> highvoltage: i already said it in #ubuntu-women last week actually ;-)
[21:18] <maco> highvoltage: she was at DebConf and seems very nice
[21:18] <highvoltage> maco: good to hear, I'm not familiar with her
[21:18] <czajkowski> AlanBell: anything else ?
[21:18] <nigelb> Just to add to what AlanBell said..
[21:18] <AlanBell> the code isn't perfect at all, which is fine, it is a nice little project for people to start contributing to
[21:19] <AlanBell> elky wants to use it as a mentoring playground effectively
[21:19] <nigelb> elky mailed the list about mentoring opportunities.  The code is in PHP.  If anyone wants to help out, please join the channel and apply to join the team. :)
[21:19] <AlanBell> so if anyone wants to play with a nice little php, mysql, website applicaiton then come and join in
[21:19] <pleia2> I think it's a great idea, I fear we lose some female devs because we don't do a good enough job of giving a very direct path to contributions
[21:20] <AlanBell> czajkowski: ok, done from me
[21:20] <AlanBell> elky might want to talk further about the mentoring at the next meeting
[21:20] <czajkowski> [TOPIC] - AOB
[21:20] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - AOB
[21:20] <pleia2> I think more mentors should be encouraged to have pet projects they can give people jobs on immediately :)
[21:20] <czajkowski> ANyone  ?
[21:20] <maco> nigelb: stop looking at me
[21:20] <pleia2> AOB?
[21:20] <czajkowski> any other business
[21:20] <pleia2> ah :)
[21:21] <nigelb> maco: I was about to poke re:gally
[21:21] <maco> nigelb: i know, thats why i said stop looking at me
[21:21] <czajkowski> ok nothing else to add anyone ?
[21:21] <Pendulum> czajkowski: you used an acronym no one else knew wow :P
[21:21] <czajkowski> 5
[21:21] <czajkowski> 4
[21:21] <czajkowski> 3
[21:21] <czajkowski> 2
[21:21] <czajkowski> 1
[21:21] <maco> i needed plenty of mentorship to get as far as i have on it, and im going to need to spend some quality time with api.kde.org to get further
[21:21] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[21:21] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting finished at 20:21.
[21:21] <czajkowski> Lovely jubbly folks thanks for coming
[21:22] <nigelb> maco: but the contribution to videos and pictures exist :)
[21:22] <belkinsa> No problem.
[21:22] <maco> im in no position to be mentoring on it just yet
[21:22] <AlanBell> Pendulum: she is just so corporate and professional you see
[21:22] <czajkowski> Pendulum: AlanBell standard meeting .....
[21:22] <czajkowski> ye odd folks :p
[21:22] <maco> nigelb: yes, but i dont imagine people need mentorship in how to use a camera!
[21:22] <AlanBell> I know czajkowski :-)
[21:22] <czajkowski> right I need to cleaning the kitchen before next meeting
[21:22] <nigelb> maco: I will convince you *one* day :)
[21:22] <czajkowski> wednesdays are busy days!
[21:23] <AlanBell> who doesn't know how the minutes are done?
[21:23] <maco> AlanBell: magic?
[21:24] <AlanBell> almost
[21:24] <AlanBell> minutes get dumped here http://mootbot.ubuntu-uk.org
[21:24] <nigelb> AlanBell: stop showing off :p
[21:25] <AlanBell> the one we want is this one http://mootbot.ubuntu-uk.org/ubuntu-women-project.moin.20100811_2000.txt
[21:25] <nigelb> gah, next meeting I'll raise the topic of chairs
[21:25]  * nigelb totally forgot.
[21:25] <AlanBell> nigelb: sharing knowledge!
[21:26] <nigelb> AlanBell: heh
[21:26] <pleia2> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-women-leaders \o/
[21:30] <AlanBell> the minutes will go here http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/20100811 which doesn't yet exist
[21:31] <AlanBell> paste in the minutes and that is them basically done
[21:32] <AlanBell> next meeting is Thursday 26th at 10:00 UTC
[21:32] <maco> pleia2: make CC own it?
[21:34] <AlanBell> so update http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings with next meeting date and link to logs of the meeting just done
[21:34] <pleia2> maco: the team isn't directly under the review of the CC like the official derivatives are, I don't think that's appropriate
[21:34] <pleia2> that would be like adding the CC as owner of individual loco councils
[21:34] <maco> mm the loco council then?
[21:35] <maco> i remember discussion years ago of UW being like a loco
[21:35] <pleia2> I don't think the loco council should own loco team councils either
[21:35] <maco> hrmmm
[21:35] <pleia2> we're all our own groups, councils only really get involved when their powers are delegated, or there is a problem
[21:36] <pleia2> me, hypatia or elky can be the owner, if there is a serious problem we just swing by #launchpad and get it sorted
[21:36] <pleia2> no big
[21:36] <maco> ok
[21:37] <AlanBell> I have been talking about getting this started up again https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll
[21:37] <AlanBell> which kind of groups together various non-loco projects
[21:38] <AlanBell> not as a council "above" them or anything
[21:38] <AlanBell> more wrapping around them
[21:38] <AlanBell> like a great big hug :-)
[21:38] <pleia2> yeah, elky started that ages ago
[21:38]  * pleia2 still on the mailing list :)
[21:38] <AlanBell> yes, I spoke to her about it
[21:39] <AlanBell> somewhere to put the younglings project too
[21:40]  * pleia2 nods
[21:40]  * MarkDude had not seen that link before. That is *exactly* what a few of us were talking about. Something like *play well with others*
[21:41] <AlanBell> as I said to elky it is kind of the ideal place for me, and probably MarkDude
[21:41] <MichelleQ> oh, hey, I like that.  Good job, whoever put it together
[21:42] <czajkowski> bah have loco council on highliht
[21:42] <czajkowski> not ideal at times
[21:42] <czajkowski> ;)
[21:43] <AlanBell> something to check all the various teams in it are running well, have access to resources they need and so on
[21:45] <AlanBell> pleia2: what do you think needs to happen to get the Ubuntu for all thing restarted?
[21:46] <pleia2> AlanBell: I think the problem previously was that there was no clear goal for the team, nothing to talk about, after founding there was no inspiring vision
[21:47] <pleia2> it was a good idea, we all just got busy and it languished
[21:47] <pleia2> so to get it restarted... come up with that inspiring vision :)
[21:47] <AlanBell> ok
[21:48] <AlanBell> was there a launchpad team do you know (can't find one)
[21:48] <pleia2> not sure, I'd go through elky's joined teams, if anyone is on such a team, she is
[21:49] <pleia2> doesn't look like it
[21:49] <pleia2> may want to follow up with her though
[21:50] <AlanBell> I already had a long chat with her about the Ubuntu For All project
[21:50] <AlanBell> I will set up a launchpad team
[21:52]  * MarkDude will join
[21:53]  * nigelb will too
[21:55] <AlanBell> launchpad is being rather slow this evening
[21:55] <rww> s/ this evening// s/ being//
[21:56] <MichelleQ> AlanBell: if there's something useful I can do, let me know.
[21:56] <pleia2> rww: aw, I was just writing something similar :P
[21:56] <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-for-all
[23:40] <elky> I thought someone confirmed the election dates some time immediately after the meeting in which the election timetable was raised
[23:49] <maco> i thought so...
[23:50] <elky> Indeed, 4hrs after that close of meeting:
 regarding the year term and schedule, I believe the dates that are currently on LeadershipElectionProcess are meant to be static
[23:53] <pleia2> well, they were shifted this year so I figured they should be shifted next year to match what our schedule actually was
[23:53] <pleia2> with UDS and release and tons of stuff in May we started them late :\
[23:54] <elky> Yep
[23:56] <elky> May was a bad month. So many things going on
[23:57] <pleia2> oh, and it looks like the page *was* updated to reflect reality :)
[23:57] <pleia2> so we're all good!
[23:57] <elky> woot