[02:17] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Have you done any mesa-demos packaging?
[02:18] <RAOF> Sarvatt: I get the feeling that asac will be wanting some stuff from there, and I think we can happily ship it without necessarily needing mesa 7.9 first.
[02:19] <Sarvatt> no i havent, was shopping around for other packages to rip the packaging off of :) need to go through and figure out what other demos to package from it and write up man pages
[02:20] <RAOF> Well, I think I'll start packaging it up and push something to pkg-xorg git.
[02:20] <RAOF> Feel free to wander through the manpage maze :)
[02:23] <Sarvatt> any idea what demos they even want?
[02:24] <RAOF> I think something testing EGL & GL|ES.
[02:24] <RAOF> So glesgears would proabably be one :)
[07:33] <eagles0513875> hey guys i am still having random nvidia driver issues the ones in lucid wouldnt allow my monitor to resume after an unspecified period of time. i upgraded to the version of the nvidia driver you have in ur ppa and its solved the problem, but now i have had my first crash and reboot into gdm instead of kdm
[07:33] <eagles0513875> any ideas as to what i should do
[09:17] <asac> RAOF: guess you are gone?
[09:18] <|eagles0513875|> asac: 
[09:18] <|eagles0513875|> are you an x or video related expert by any chance
[09:18] <asac> eagles0513875: unlikely ;)
[09:18] <asac> on arm i am moving in that direction. on x86, not so much ;)
[09:18] <|eagles0513875|> ahhh ok :( 
[09:19] <|eagles0513875|> cuz im having nasty video issues with the nvidia driver causing my system to hang then after rebooting to find out that the driver has crashed and the default kdm cant be loaded 
[09:19] <|eagles0513875|> but gdm until i reboot again and it boots back into kdm
[09:31] <RAOF> asac: I can be pung.
[09:32] <RAOF> asac: I'll be a-makin' dinner, but you can tell me what you mean by  those demos and I'll remember.  Like a fox.
[09:32] <asac> RAOF: lol
[09:33] <asac> RAOF: read the clutter/mutter: section notes here: https://wiki.linaro.org/Platform/UserPlatforms/2010-08-10 ... maybe that gives you background
[09:33] <asac> ping me after dinner ... have to hop on a sequence of calls now for a bit ;)
[11:16] <RAOF> asac: Yo!
[11:36] <|eagles0513875|> yofel: 
[11:36] <|eagles0513875|> how are you
[11:37] <yofel> good so far ;)
[11:40] <|eagles0513875|> i need some help i am having random video card driver crashes actually just one so far with the driver from teh x ppa
[11:40] <|eagles0513875|> the exact issue is this 
[11:40] <|eagles0513875|> when the video driver crashes it brings up the dialogue box about low graphics mode 
[11:40] <|eagles0513875|> i restart x and i on the gdm login 
[11:40] <|eagles0513875|> restart the machine and im back on kdm
[11:40] <|eagles0513875|> also 
[11:41] <|eagles0513875|> i have issues with plasma crashing as well i start seeing icons disappearing etc
[11:41] <|eagles0513875|> im on kde 4.4.5 
[11:41] <|eagles0513875|> dunno what else could be the problem
[11:41] <asac> RAOF: hey
[11:42] <|eagles0513875|> any ideas yofel
[11:42] <asac> RAOF: so ;) ... did the link above make any sense to you?
[11:42] <RAOF> asac: So, you're interested in the egl texture_from_pixmap demo?
[11:43] <asac> RAOF: right. i am interested in a) getting the KHR extension used there backported to our mesa ... and b) getting the demo work
[11:43] <yofel> |eagles0513875|: actually I think I know what you're talking about
[11:43] <yofel> if you have the same issue I have choosing 'drop to terminal' should give you a working kdm
[11:43] <asac> RAOF: i basically only need the extension in mesa ... someone else can make the demo work (and port to gles2 i guess)
[11:43] <|eagles0513875|> yofel: i have gnome installed so i just restart x and it gets me to the gdm login 
[11:44] <|eagles0513875|> rebooting gets me back to the kdm login prompt
[11:44] <asac> RAOF: wonder how hard it would be to backport that extension 
[11:44] <RAOF> Hm.
[11:44] <|eagles0513875|> in regards to my plasma desktop issue i kill the p-d process and restart it from commandline and it fixes the problem
[11:44] <|eagles0513875|> yofel: do you think i should upgrade xorg tahts in the ppa
[11:44] <RAOF> I don't have a good idea how hard it would be.
[11:44] <yofel> |eagles0513875|: yes, if I restart X I get gdm, if I drop to a terminal I get kdm
[11:45] <|eagles0513875|> O_o must try that when it happens again 
[11:45] <RAOF> On the other hand, that's available in (what will be) 7.9, yes?
[11:45] <asac> good question
[11:45] <|eagles0513875|> yofel: what video card do you have cuz it only happened to me once so far with the nvidia-current from the ubuntu-x ppa
[11:45] <asac> will we get 7.9?
[11:45] <asac> RAOF: ?
[11:45] <|eagles0513875|> its helped alot 
[11:46] <asac> RAOF: http://www.mail-archive.com/mesa3d-dev@lists.sourceforge.net/msg11616.html
[11:46] <RAOF> asac: It won't be available before feature freeze, but it might be worth an exception.
[11:46] <|eagles0513875|> yofel: what video card do you have
[11:46] <yofel> nVidia Corporation GT218 [NVS 3100M] (rev a2) with 256.44   works fine except for the occasional failsave x as you said
[11:46] <asac> RAOF: ok. and without 7.9 we are unlikely to be able to backport it?
[11:47] <|eagles0513875|> strange and your experiencing the same issues on a newer card 
[11:47] <|eagles0513875|> im on an 8800gt 
[11:47] <|eagles0513875|> the 256 driver fixed a bunch of issues i was having except for the radnom driver crash 
[11:47] <|eagles0513875|> as well as plasma-desktop issue 
[11:47] <yofel> I suspect kdm trying to load before the driver has loaded, but that's simply guessing
[11:47] <|eagles0513875|> yofel: any ideas regarding my plasma-desktop issue
[11:48] <asac> RAOF: is 7.9 daily already in a ppa or something?
[11:48] <RAOF> asac: xorg-edgers
[11:48] <RAOF> xorg-edgers is wonderful (thanks Sarvatt!)
[11:48] <asac> RAOF: would just copying mesa be good enough? or do we need other parts?
[11:49] <yofel> |eagles0513875|: what plasma-desktop issue?
[11:49] <RAOF> It looks like that series is self-contained, yeah.  So it would be just mesa.
[11:50] <|eagles0513875|> yofel: mind if i pm ya as its probably not related to the channel and i dont wanna take it offtopic
[11:58] <yofel> sure
[14:10] <tseliot> Sarvatt, RAOF: maybe I should upload the new nvidia driver and suggest users to use the ignoreabi option? (not that I'm fond of this solution...)
[14:15] <tjaalton> bumping the abi in depends would then give false hopes
[14:16] <tjaalton> aaronp asked keithp yesterday if the abi was final, so a proper driver might appear soon?
[14:16] <tseliot> tjaalton: oh, I thought the abi was final
[14:16] <tseliot> hmm...
[14:17]  * tseliot is so glad to be using radeon on his main pc
[14:18] <tjaalton> it is
[14:18] <tjaalton> but bumping it in the nvidia package would say that it supported the abi
[14:18] <tjaalton> which is wrong
[14:20] <tseliot> yes, but, in theory (I have my reasons to believe so), 256.44 should already be ABI compatible
[14:21] <tjaalton> no it isn't if it doesn't work without ignoreABI
[14:21] <tseliot> yes, I'm waiting for Nvidia to get back to me to see what's going on
[15:13] <shadeslayer_> hi after the latest round of X updates, my X doesnt start with nvidia drivers
[15:13] <shadeslayer_> log at : http://paste.ubuntu.com/476453
[15:14] <shadeslayer_> also, i have maverick
[15:29] <Sarvatt> tjaalton, tseliot well the alternative is having X removed on upgrades breaking nouveau too for those people unless they know to remove nvidia-common before trying to upgrade, uploading it even though it only works with IgnoreABI seems like a better idea to me..
[15:29] <Sarvatt> and yes a large amount of people are actually letting it remove X :(
[15:29] <shadeslayer_> oh oh .. how do i enable this IgnoreABI ?
[15:29] <tseliot> shadeslayer_: in the serverflags section in xorg.conf
[15:30] <tseliot> Sarvatt: yes, that was my main concern
[15:30] <Sarvatt> shadeslayer_: you need to add the ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates PPA and update to 256.44 first for that to work until it's in the archives, 256.35 thats in maverick doesn't work
[15:31] <shadeslayer_> ah ok.. lemme remove my xorg then, and boot with nouveau
[15:31] <shadeslayer_> brb
[15:31] <Sarvatt> huh??
[15:31] <Sarvatt> shadeslayer_: just add the PPA and do a apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:32] <shadeslayer_> uh ok.. can you give me the ppa address? i have no X :P
[15:32] <tseliot> links FTW :-)
[15:32] <Sarvatt> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu maverick main
[15:33] <shadeslayer_> ok
[15:33] <shadeslayer_> Sarvatt: no apt-add-repository link?
[15:33] <Sarvatt> ppa://ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates ?
[15:33] <shadeslayer_> yes
[15:33] <Sarvatt> err ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[15:35] <Sarvatt> guess I lost that patch to jockey I wrote up last time this happened that added IgnoreABI to xorg.conf for nvidia, bah
[15:37] <Sarvatt> oh maybe because i'm looking for a jockey patch and it was another package, hmm
[15:38] <Sarvatt> nope it was jockey, data/handlers/nvidia.py
[15:38] <tseliot> Sarvatt: no, it should be in Jockey (in the nvidia handler). I can do that but I'll have to discuss this with pitti tomorrow
[15:40] <Sarvatt> oh was it just this?
[15:40] <Sarvatt>         if self.version == 'current':
[15:40] <Sarvatt>             self.xorg_conf.addOption('ServerFlags', 'IgnoreABI', 'True', optiontype='Option', position=0)
[15:41] <Sarvatt> around line 80
[15:42] <eagles0513875> tseliot: i had another nvidia crash again like i was priro to trying the nvidia driver in the ppa
[15:43] <tseliot> Sarvatt: yes, I think that would do it
[15:43] <tseliot> eagles0513875: the plasma crash again?
[15:43] <eagles0513875> #no
[15:44] <eagles0513875> the other thing where nvidia driver crashes it complains about low graphics mode 
[15:44] <eagles0513875> i restart x
[15:44] <eagles0513875> #and i get gdm 
[15:44] <eagles0513875> when i reboot i get back to kdm but thats besides the point 
[15:44] <eagles0513875> in regards to that im not sure what else to try
[15:44] <eagles0513875> yofel: is kinda having the same issue in that respect as well cuz i was discussing it with him this morning tseliot
[15:45] <tseliot> eagles0513875: I guess it depends on 1) how you restart X 2) whatever DM you set as a default
[15:45] <eagles0513875> for me kdm is default
[15:45] <tseliot> a driver can't change your dm
[15:46] <eagles0513875> thing is then when the low graphics prompt pops up and it gives you a list of options yofel drops down to console it loads kdm
[15:46] <eagles0513875> tseliot: where should i redirect this issue then?
[15:46] <tseliot> ok, how do you restart X?
[15:47] <tseliot> I'm not really sure about the status of failsafe X and kdm
[15:47] <tseliot> therefore you should file a bug report against kdm
[15:47] <eagles0513875> tseliot: when this happens it complains about low graphics then gives me a list of options and restart x is one of them
[15:47] <tseliot> well, either you or yofel
[15:48] <tseliot> aah
[15:48] <shadeslayer_> uh.. apachelogger was working on this i think
[15:48] <tseliot> yes, failsafe X is gnome-centric
[15:48] <shadeslayer_> tseliot: more like gdm-centric
[15:48] <eagles0513875> tseliot: what doesnt make sense is when dropping into a root console it loads kdm
[15:48] <eagles0513875> hi shadeslayer_
[15:48] <tseliot> so I guess that it simply restarts gdm
[15:48] <shadeslayer_> eagles0513875: hey :D
[15:49] <tseliot> eagles0513875: that's a bug in kdm
[15:49] <eagles0513875> thats not whats bothering me 
[15:49] <eagles0513875> whats bothering me is the driver crashing
[15:49] <eagles0513875> what has changed since the driver version in karmic, i never had this issue of random crashes on karmic
[15:51] <tseliot> eagles0513875: have you filed a bug report about it?
[15:51] <tseliot> if not, please do
[15:51] <tseliot> and I'll make sure that Nvidia have a look at it
[15:51] <eagles0513875> i will if it crashes again cuz the driver in the ppa has been quite stable
[15:51] <eagles0513875> this so far happened only once compared to the one in the lucid repos
[15:52] <tseliot> ok
[15:57] <shadeslayer_> um sorry for asking again but what do i need to insert into xorg.conf? you see i lost the logs :(
[16:00] <tseliot> shadeslayer_: I'll give you an example on pastebin
[16:00] <shadeslayer_> tseliot: i dont have X :P
[16:01] <shadeslayer_> i cant navigate to the pastebin
[16:01] <tseliot> Section "ServerFlags"
[16:01] <tseliot> Option "IgnoreABI" "True"
[16:01] <tseliot> EndSection
[16:02] <tseliot> add these 3 lines in your xorg.conf
[16:02] <tseliot> shadeslayer_: ^
[16:02] <shadeslayer_> thanks tseliot 
[16:02] <tseliot> np
[16:03] <yofel> eagles0513875 tseliot: actually there is bug 585930 (just found it) will see if delaying kdm start helps
[16:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 585930 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "kdm starts before nvidia driver is fully loaded (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585930
[16:04] <shadeslayer_> tseliot: time to reboot and see :D
[16:04] <tseliot> ah good
[16:04] <eagles0513875> yofel: for me its only happened once to me with the 256 nvidia driver
[16:05] <eagles0513875> yofel: will have to work on that once im done performing surgery on my mac lol
[16:08] <shadeslayer> tseliot: whee... it works \o/
[16:08] <tseliot> :-)
[16:23] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: then that should be fixed
[16:24] <tjaalton> or the dependency dropped completely
[18:08] <Sarvatt> shoot, i wonder if we should add clickpad support to synaptics before feature freeze, the kernel side was added way back in lucid
[18:50] <LucidFox> Greetings! I've had a problem for a few days now - not sure what package causes it, though.
[18:50] <LucidFox> After GNOME fully boots, the Nautilus desktop background is replaced by flat white
[18:50] <LucidFox> (on maverick)
[18:51] <LucidFox> I'd file a bug, but I don't even know what against
[18:56] <eagles0513875> LucidFox: ask in ubuntu+1 that is specific for maverick development questions
[18:56] <LucidFox> heh, and I was sent here from #ubuntu-desktop :)
[18:56]  * LucidFox goes