[01:27] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1162440 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp Another case of libapt-pkg giving us nice, null const char pointers :/ BUG:247439 FIXED-IN:1.0.1
[09:39] <Quintasan> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626593
[09:39] <Quintasan> :D
[09:42] <valorie> Importance:	Normal critical
[09:42] <valorie> lol
[09:57] <yofel> Quintasan: hey, at least it was filed as a new bug, not like here :P https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=579522
[09:57] <yofel> (scroll to the bottom)
[09:57] <valorie> that's a classic
[10:58] <glatzor> hello JontheEchidna 
[10:58] <glatzor> JontheEchidna, I am currently adding downgrading and installing specific versions to aptdaemon
[11:05] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: where can I get new strings for Muon and QApt?
[11:18] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: also, why do Authtentication windows pop out behind Muon?
[11:19] <ulysses> Sometimes it appears in the right lace before Muon, sometimes it doesn't appear even, I have to close Muon and start again
[11:21]  * yofel thought the focus stealing prevention was at fault for that
[11:26] <Quintasan> my my
[11:26] <Quintasan> QtEmu is sure neat
[11:34] <sheytan> Hey guys
[11:35] <sheytan> what do you think about a files and settings transfer app for Kubuntu?
[11:35] <sheytan> when you first run a new installation an assistant could help users to import KDE settings from other machine and files, too
[11:38] <ulysses> maybe from Ubuntu One?
[11:39] <Riddell> ubiquity on gnome has migration assistant from windows, nobody has ported that to KDE yet
[11:43] <sheytan> Ubuntu one would required network connection
[11:43] <sheytan> but, it could ask you to configure network before starting to download stuff
[11:44] <sheytan> Riddell From windows. Does it work with other ubuntu installs?
[11:45] <sheytan> what about transfering settings from other machines using wifi or eth
[11:45] <glatzor> JontheEchidna, the version support is now in trunk. Basically you just have to add a = and the version number to package name to select a specific version
[11:46] <glatzor> JontheEchidna, e.g. "xterm=256-1". Furthermore there is now dowgrade argument in CommitPackages
[11:51] <jussi> is muon for maverick ready yet?
[12:04] <Riddell> ooh another bit of website praise, this one from aseigo http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4292#comments
[12:32] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: how come we stopped installing virtuoso-t to /usr/lib ?
[12:33] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Debian is maintaining it now, and therefore we don't have to be quite so hyperactive about such things, was my reasoning.
[12:33] <davidbarth> Riddell: hi Jonathan, i've tried the new uploiad but it seems the patch still di not apply or something, as i can still reproduce the issue; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-ubuntu/+bug/616422
[12:34] <Riddell> davidbarth: 1.3.1-1ubuntu3 should appear soon to really fix it
[12:34] <Riddell> seems my quilt foo wasn't quite right
[12:34] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n-kde4/templates/messages/playground-sysadmin/muon.pot?view=log
[12:35] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: Also, authentication window comes behind because its a bug in PolicyKit-KDE-1. Fixed in trunk by yours truly, pending upstream to do another release
[12:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ok, the missing patch in soprano broke the backport, added back now in ninjas
[12:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I guess we should run that virtuoso change by the security people
[12:38] <JontheEchidna> bbiab, gotta catch my ride
[12:45] <davidbarth> Riddell: ah ok, thanks!
[13:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: idk... i just kept updating and it worked 0_o
[13:43] <CIA-99> jmthomas * 1162697 * trunk/ (kdereview/libqapt/ playground/libs/libqapt/) Move libqapt to kdereview CCMAIL:kde-i18n-doc@kde.org
[13:44] <CIA-99> jmthomas * 1162699 * trunk/ (kdereview/muon/ playground/sysadmin/muon/) Move Muon to kdereview CCMAIL:kde-i18n-doc@kde.org
[13:44] <shadeslayer> oh.. oh ... oh !!!!!
[13:45] <shadeslayer> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/ \o/
[13:45]  * shadeslayer applies immediately 
[13:46] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ^^
[13:58] <debfx> JontheEchidna: why does qapt-batch call the worker directly?
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> debfx: Using a QApt::Backend would incur a ~14 MiB consumption of memory, which we really don't need since we're just installing things anyways
[14:04] <debfx> yeah, sounds reasonable :)
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> luckily Qt's DBus magic makes working with a DBus API as easy as using a C++ library :)
[14:18] <dantti_work> hmm speaking of downgrades I can make aptcc and kpk be able to downgrade packages :)
[14:19] <ScottK> Riddell: dovecot-metadata-plugin in New is for Kolab, so I'd appreciate it if you could give it a push.
[14:20] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1162714 * trunk/kdereview/libqapt/src/package.h Fix apidox typo
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Could you take a look at libdebconf-kde in new queue once you find the time please? The debian/copyright should be all square now :)
[14:28] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: accepted
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Thanks much
[14:28] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: re blog, you shouldn't need to write a parser for app-install-data, it's just KDE desktop files, KDE can parse them fine and give you the tree
[14:28] <Riddell> adept did that
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> nice
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> hrm, I wanted to talk to glatzor too...
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> in regards to aptdaemon
[14:30] <Riddell> ScottK: accepted
[14:33] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> Todo is looking nice and green
[14:40] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: the faster login still needs doing :(
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> Today is feature freeze iirc, so printer tools and samba might not make it :(
[14:42] <Riddell> I think dantti is doing kpackagekit rather than printer tools
[14:42] <Riddell> samba is half done but still needs the UI
[14:42] <dantti_work> Riddell: btw, do it need to be finished today of it just need to be in that doc?
[14:45] <Riddell> dantti_work: after today it'll need a feature freeze exception
[14:45] <Riddell> which is do-able but a little bit of hassle
[14:45] <ScottK> Riddell: We need to sync the kolab patches from Debian.  Let me get you a list.
[14:46] <Riddell> ScottK: in this format please http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/tmp/sponsoring-list
[14:53] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1162725 * trunk/kdereview/libqapt/src/package.cpp Optimize isSupported by calling component() only once, and not calling it at all if the origin is not Ubuntu
[14:56] <sheytan> something to show you guys http://a.imageshack.us/img213/6924/indexvo.jpg :)
[14:56] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1162726 * trunk/kdereview/libqapt/src/package.cpp Remove an instance of unnecessary QString initialization during assignment
[14:57] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1162727 * trunk/kdereview/libqapt/src/package.cpp USe the "!" operator for compactness. (Clarity is also maintained)
[15:02] <ScottK> Riddell: Only turned out to be two packages.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/476952/
[15:03] <Riddell> ScottK: can you use a pastebin that doesn't require login to download?
[15:03] <ScottK> Riddell: Someone at Canoncial should complain about that.
[15:03] <ScottK> Just a moment.
[15:04] <txwikinger> rofl
[15:04] <Riddell> ScottK: I did, sysadmins say it's necessary to stop spam
[15:04] <ScottK> sync 616815
[15:04] <ScottK> sync 616820
[15:04] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^
[15:04] <Riddell> the IRC pastebin :)
[15:04] <ScottK> How about that.
[15:04] <Riddell> that'll do
[15:05] <txwikinger> since when does downloading a file allows you to spam a website?
[15:05] <Riddell> no idea
[15:05] <ScottK> Riddell: Oddly enough every other pastebin in the world manages without it.
[15:05]  * txwikinger thinks someone just wanted to give a runaround
[15:06] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1162732 * trunk/kdereview/libqapt/src/package.cpp Style fixes
[15:08] <Riddell> anyway, synced
[15:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[15:10] <ScottK> BTW, I packaged that dovecot plugin from scratch yesterday.  I suspect we'll have to bug fix it into existence for a while.
[15:10] <ScottK> ryanakca: When you're around, I'd like to discuss Kolab testing.
[15:11] <Riddell> you're on a bit of a Kolab roll
[15:12] <ScottK> Yeah.  Server stuff is coming along.  Trying to squeeze it in before FF.
[15:12] <ScottK> Anyone package the client stuff?
[15:13] <ScottK> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/519/ would be nice.
[15:14] <ScottK> shadeslayer: If you can work with mozillateam to get ^^ packaged, that would be a huge help (I'd approve an FFe for this if it's done quick).
[15:24] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ok sure :D
[15:25] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Cool.
[15:25] <shadeslayer> i can do it by tommorow or tonight if i can manage it
[15:25] <ScottK> Great.
[15:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Is there some ninja we can turn loose on the kdepim client for kolab?
[15:26] <shadeslayer> kdepim client for kolab?
[15:27] <ScottK> Yes, a special modified version of kdepim from KDE3 specifically for Kolab.
[15:27] <Riddell> the 3.5 packages he's talking about
[15:27] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[15:27]  * shadeslayer trots off to find mozilla people
[15:27] <Riddell> of course we also want the 4.5 packages you said you'd do
[15:28] <Riddell> gosh, three versions of kdepim, that'll be fun
[15:28] <ScottK> Maybe one of them will work.
[15:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kdepim already in ninja ppa, where they shouldnt be :P
[15:28] <shadeslayer> for maverick that is
[15:34] <shadeslayer> ScottK: know any mozilla channels?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> #mozilla is invite only
[15:34] <ScottK> shadeslayer: #ubuntu-mozillateam
[15:34] <Riddell> chriscoulson would be the guy to start with
[15:34] <ScottK> And as Riddell says ...
[15:36] <shadeslayer> thanks :)
[15:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i have no fix for the kopete package since it cant detect libortp 
[15:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you have a patch of the changes you would make it if could?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> yep one sec
[15:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/LQnq8qVH
[15:41] <shadeslayer> i just did a debdiff...
[15:41] <Riddell> let me try it in a pbuilder
[15:41] <shadeslayer> sure
[15:42] <shadeslayer> ScottK: do we have any plugins in the repo?
[15:42] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Sure.  I don't use Thunderbird, so no idea what.
[15:42] <shadeslayer> !info mozilla-opensc maverick
[15:43] <shadeslayer> seems like a good start ...;
[15:53] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you join #ubuntu-mozillateam for some time?
[15:54] <ScottK> Sure.
[16:06] <shadeslayer> whuts happening to ninja ppa? :P
[16:06] <shadeslayer> its empty :D
[16:07] <shadeslayer> well.. almost
[16:10] <jussi> JontheEchidna: so, I was chasing some packages for muon/maverick. are you working on those or?
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> jussi: should be available by the end of the day in maverick proper
[16:11] <jussi> JontheEchidna: ahh, nice.
[16:11] <jussi> thank you
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> actually, somebody will have to go through binary new queue and accept libdebconf-kde first...
[16:11] <jussi> also, does anyone know when the fix for x is due?
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> and then muon once it builds....
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> soon, though
[16:13]  * jussi would like to have desktop effects and other goodness again
[16:14] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: james_w is doing New if you ask nicely
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: should I worry about ports before asking?
[16:15] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: no
[16:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: backported kdepim to lucid, waiting for lp to finish copying the packages
[16:21] <ScottK> Pencils down.
[16:21] <ScottK> Go fix bugs.
[16:21] <shadeslayer> oh noes
[16:21] <Riddell> where can I find the pbuilder build log during the build?
[16:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i guess nothing can be done for kdenetwork then :(
[16:22] <shadeslayer> in ..
[16:22] <shadeslayer> ( the parent dir )
[16:22] <ScottK> Riddell: /var/cache/pbuilder/build
[16:22] <shadeslayer> jussi: hehe... X break there too? :P
[16:22] <ScottK> Riddell: Nevermind.  Just noticed you said log.
[16:22] <shadeslayer> i have a fix for nvidia cards :D
[16:22] <jussi> shadeslayer: yep, been borked for a week or 2 now
[16:23] <shadeslayer> jussi: nvidia card?
[16:23] <jussi> shadeslayer: which is?
[16:23]  * ScottK pats his Intel graphics.
[16:23] <jussi> yup
[16:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no it's not
[16:23] <shadeslayer> disable the ABI in xorg
[16:23] <shadeslayer> :o
[16:23] <ScottK> shadeslayer: kdenetwork might merit an FFe.
[16:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thats a first 0_o
[16:23] <shadeslayer> jussi: like this : http://pastebin.com/pzWyg9W1
[16:24] <shadeslayer> youll need new drivers from x-updates as well
[16:24] <maco> i have a question about svn
[16:24] <maco> im working on modifying something in kdesvn, but its not ready for merging yet
[16:24] <maco> how can i still pull down upstream changes without losing my changes?
[16:25] <Riddell> svn update should merge them in
[16:25] <maco> i know if i commit they get pushed, so i dont want to commit yet...
[16:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so if you built something in foo/foo1 with pdebuild , the log should be in foo/ ... nothing there?
[16:26] <Riddell> start a bzr branch :)
[16:26] <shadeslayer> hehe.. or git :P
[16:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: never heard of pdebuild, I just use pbuilder
[16:26] <shadeslayer> pdebuild is like debuild in a clean pbuilder chroot
[16:27] <shadeslayer> just cd foo-1/ ; pdebuild 
[16:27] <maco> pbuilder just does binary package though
[16:27] <ScottK> maco: No.  It rebuilds the source package too.
[16:28] <ScottK> (by default)
[16:28] <maco> ScottK: why doesnt it prompt for password until after it does the source package then?
[16:28] <ScottK> Doesn't need root for that.
[16:28] <maco> root is for the chrooting part isnt it?
[16:29] <maco> i thought it basically just did:  debuild -S  && pbuilder build ...
[16:29] <maco> if you called pdebuild
[16:29] <ScottK> No idea about pdebuild
[16:30] <shadeslayer> see man pdebuild .. thats all :D
[16:30] <ScottK> Generally pbuilder will rebuild the source package inside the chroot.
[16:30] <shadeslayer> ok kdepim all uploaded to experimental please test
[16:32] <jussi> shadeslayer: sorry, fix doesnt help here :(
[16:35] <ryanakca> ScottK: Pong
[16:36] <ScottK> ryanakca: Can you set up a Maverick Kolab server test system (not today, but soonish)?
[16:37] <ScottK> ryanakca: If you use dovecot, dovecot doesn't need any special patches, just an additional plugin.
[16:38] <ryanakca> ScottK: Sure. I'll try to find a box at home to do it on. Does it need to be world accessible?
[16:38] <ryanakca> ScottK: Mail won't work (ISP blocks port 25)
[16:38] <ScottK> ryanakca: Nope.  I just need someone to test/document setup in Maverick.
[16:39] <ScottK> You can mail to it locally on your network for testing though.
[16:39] <ryanakca> Yep
[16:39] <ScottK> That should be sufficient.
[16:44] <ryanakca> OK, I've written it down in my TODO list, it's supposed to rain all weekend, I'll get it done then. How should I document it for you? Pile of screenshots + step by step guide?
[16:49] <shadeslayer> jussi: oh did you add the ppa?
[16:49] <shadeslayer> the one with the new drivers
[16:49] <ScottK> ryanakca: That's a good start.  Then talk to sommer on #ubuntu-server about getting it in the server guide.
[16:49] <ScottK> ryanakca: We'll want to set it up with dovecot.  That's not standard for kolab, so it may take some doing.
[17:01] <shadeslayer> lul @ bug 616884
[17:07] <jussi> shadeslayer: no... could you tell me which one?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> one sec
[17:08] <shadeslayer> jussi: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[17:08] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1162769 * trunk/kdereview/libqapt/src/worker/worker.cpp Signal that we are exiting even if we are exiting in error (since all download errors are queued), otherwise we will never return to the main view and our error queue will never be shown. BUG:247534 FIXED-IN:1.0.1
[17:26] <ryanakca> ScottK: Will do.
[17:26] <shadeslayer> FYI : https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/kdelibs/kde4 working again, thanks to jelmer :)
[17:33] <shadeslayer> errrr
[17:33] <shadeslayer> can i add a dep on the beta backports ppa to the experimental ppa?
[17:36] <shadeslayer> kdepim wont build without it
[17:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[17:57] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No
[17:57] <ScottK> Actually I read that backwards.
[17:57] <shadeslayer> so.. should i ?
[17:58] <shadeslayer> because it wont build without new KDE
[17:58] <ScottK> Should be fine I'd think.
[18:09] <shadeslayer> ScottK: any idea why https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta shows one package?
[18:11] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1162786 * trunk/kdereview/libqapt/src/backend.cpp (log message trimmed)
[18:11] <CIA-99> Emit an error and do not attempt to continue initialization if the cache cannot
[18:11] <CIA-99> be opened. Muon still needs to give better details as to what the error exactly
[18:14] <ScottK> No
[18:21] <jussi> hrm, is playing wmv's in dragon broken for anyone else atm?? (or kaffeine)
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> wmv's crash dragon here
[18:21] <jussi> ok, so it isnt just me then.
[18:23] <ScottK> It is, you just have a long reach.
[18:23] <shadeslayer> jussi: does X work now? :D
[18:24] <jussi> shadeslayer: no, Im a bit wary about adding ppa's for a development release...
[18:25] <shadeslayer> hehe... well.. i got that ppa from sarvatt himself, from #ubuntu-x ... 
[18:26] <jussi> shadeslayer: having a ppa in the deve release makes it harder to report bugs accurately
[18:27] <shadeslayer> yeah.. but i just wanted my X to work... since i have no other install :P
[18:28] <oxymoron> Does anybody know how to enable my own user (Subuser of root one) to show left space on my harddrives in dolphin? It only works when Dolphin is in root mode? :S
[18:31] <shadeslayer> wow .. i have no idea what went wrong here https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+build/1916260/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.kdepim-runtime_4%3A4.5~beta2-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:46] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1162795 * trunk/kdereview/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Send the internal error message as the details in the event of an InitError CCBUG:247533
[18:58] <ScottK> Riddell: dovecot-metadata-plugin is ~ready for some binary New if you're up for it.  
[19:24] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1162808 * trunk/kdereview/libqapt/src/cache.cpp Actually return true if everything is OK
[20:22] <ulysses> Why want Muon remove ubuntuone-kde?
[20:23] <dantti_work> Riddell: now I need to make kpk install/remove packages (I broke it), after that who do I poke to update the package?
[20:41] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: haha, I like Muon's codename, it's from Doctor Who- The Eleventh Hour right?
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> :)
[20:44] <ulysses> Muon 1.0 waiting to build for Maverick/universe?
[20:54] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: what's the state of Muon 1.0 for Maverick? I don't see any sign of build on Launchpad
[20:55] <JontheEchidna> waiting for libdebconf-kde to leave new queue
[20:56] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: source New or binary New?
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: binary
[20:56]  * ScottK looks
[21:00] <Riddell> dantti_work: I'm around to be poked
[21:01] <dantti_work> Riddell: fixes can be uploaded later right?
[21:01] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm doing libdebconf-kde binary New.
[21:01] <ScottK> dantti_work: Yes.
[21:01] <dantti_work> thanks
[21:01]  * ScottK pokes Riddell about dovecot-metadata-plugin binary New.
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> bbiab
[21:05] <Riddell> dantti_work: yes
[21:05] <ScottK> When he comes back, let him know it's in seconds before the publisher run, so binaries ough to be available in ~40 minutes.
[22:07] <debfx> ScottK: 
[22:07] <ScottK> debfx: Yes?
[22:08] <debfx> could you sponsor a package in debian?
[22:09] <debfx> I need to do some final testing first though ;)
[22:11] <ScottK> debfx: Not today, but perhaps tomorrow.
[22:11]  * dantti_work tries to get away from bugs :P