[01:12] <yvan300> hey i just got a kernel panic,.......where are the system logs located?
[01:13] <seidos> yvan300, /var/log I think
[01:17] <yvan300> seidos, thanks, that was it
[04:20] <holder> I can't change directory. $ cd /home/user/Desktop doesn't work. What am I doing wrong?
[04:21] <IAmNotThatGuy> holder: "user= your login name"
[04:22] <IAmNotThatGuy> I will give as $ cd /home/devil/Desktop
[04:22] <IAmNotThatGuy> holder: you are here?
[04:22] <holder> IAmNotThatGuy: Yep, I know that, it's not working with my login name
[04:23] <IAmNotThatGuy> do one thing. Use tab key to auto fill
[04:24] <IAmNotThatGuy> when you press cd /<tab>, It will list the folders. Check whether you gave the name correctly
[04:26] <IAmNotThatGuy> holder: is it working??
[04:26] <IAmNotThatGuy> holder: http://i38.tinypic.com/281ecms.png thats mine
[04:26] <holder> IAmNotThatGuy: the tab trick is
[04:27] <holder> IAmNotThatGuy: i'll screenshot
[04:27] <IAmNotThatGuy> okay
[04:30] <holder> IAmNotThatGuy: http://tinypic.com/r/2jb4k5s/4
[04:31] <IAmNotThatGuy> holder: press F<tab key>
[04:33] <holder> It finds the wrong file
[04:34] <holder> instead of the iso it finds the original file
[04:34] <IAmNotThatGuy> hey It will just load the directory
[04:34] <IAmNotThatGuy> Not the .iso files
[04:34] <holder> Actually it works
[04:34] <IAmNotThatGuy> :o
[04:35] <holder> Lol, thanks, the file was locked or something
[04:35] <IAmNotThatGuy> okay good luck holder (:
[04:53] <IAmNotThatGuy> holder: the problem is solved?
[04:53] <holder> IAmNotThatGuy: Nope, but it's a problem within a problem
[04:54] <IAmNotThatGuy> what happened holder?
[04:55] <holder> I want to play a windows game on linux, but the install keeps failing and I don't know if the problem is with the file or wine
[04:59] <IAmNotThatGuy> awww....
[05:08] <holder> IAmNotThatGuy: How's your knowledge on wine?
[05:08] <holder> of*
[05:10] <IAmNotThatGuy> I am not that much good with wine as we don't prefer using wine holder
[05:11] <holder> What do you prefer for windows applications?
[05:13] <IAmNotThatGuy> actually what game you are trying to run?
[05:13] <IAmNotThatGuy> we mostly find an alternate in linux environment
[05:13] <holder> Football manager 2010
[05:13] <IAmNotThatGuy> ahha
[05:14] <IAmNotThatGuy> go inside the folder and try right clicking foot.exe and select run with wine
[05:14] <IAmNotThatGuy> I know that alone
[05:16] <IAmNotThatGuy> I ll brb
[05:42] <Mohan_chml> holder, you got any solution?
[05:48] <holder> Nope, but i'm in wine's irc channel working on it
[05:49] <jaybird> Hey folks.How do I change themes, once I've found something I like?
[05:51] <Mohan_chml> jaybird, download that theme, right click the desktop, click change desktop background, click the themes tab
[05:51] <Mohan_chml> in that you canfind "install" button
[05:51] <Mohan_chml> jaybird, then you can select the theme and can Install them
[05:52] <Mohan_chml> jaybird, you there??
[05:52] <jaybird> yep, firefox just decided to conk out.
[05:53] <Mohan_chml> argh!
[05:53] <jaybird> chrome it is..
[05:57] <jaybird> lol, guess it wasn't firefox then. My wireless says it's perfectly connected, but both of the browsers aren't working. just loading forever.
[05:57] <jaybird> any idea what might be causing this?
[05:58] <Mohan_chml> open terminal and type ping www.google.com
[05:58] <Mohan_chml> the response time will tell your internet speed jaybird
[05:59] <jaybird> PING google.com (173.194.33.104) 56(84) bytes of data.
[05:59] <jaybird> 64 bytes from 173.194.33.104: icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=29.1 ms
[06:00] <Mohan_chml> jaybird, hmmmm 29.1 ms
[06:00] <jaybird> It seems to be working again, but I noticed lately it'll just stop working for what appears to be no reason. Like even when the wireless is fine.
[06:02] <shredder12> what's the issue jaybird
[06:02] <jaybird> My internet keeps conking out [loading forever, until I restart], even though the wireless has full bars
[06:03] <shredder12> jaybird: you mean it takes a lot of time to connect? or websites load very slowly?
[06:04] <jaybird> Oh, when it gets like that, sites won't even load at all.
[06:05] <shredder12> jaybird: are you able to ping at least. I had a similar issue but it was some trouble with DNS queries. The browser just kept showing "looking up somewebsite.com"
[06:06] <jaybird> yes, that exactly. I was able to ping
[06:06] <jaybird> how can I solve the problem, if that's the issue?
[06:07] <shredder12> jaybird: lets see if that  is the issue. run this command "dig lifehacker.com". In the output you will see a line "Query time". What time does it shows?
[06:08] <jaybird> 66 msec
[06:08] <shredder12> jaybird: thats decent.  DNS doesn't seem to be a problem here. At the moment, it even seems that your network is working fine
[06:09] <shredder12> jaybird: are you able to load websites now?
[06:09] <jaybird> Yep, I'm able to load them right now. But the problem seems to happen randomly...
[06:10] <shredder12> jaybird: Does reconnecting the network helps then?
[06:10] <jaybird> Yes.
[06:13] <jaybird> I just wish I could get to the root of the problem so I wouldn't be reconnecting all the time...
[06:13] <shredder12> jaybird: I am not sure what is the issue now, but when your network goes down again, use "tail -n 20 /var/log/syslog". this will show you the last 20 lines of system log. We might be able to find our some clue there
[06:13] <shredder12> jaybird: btw, how often does this happen?
[06:13] <jaybird> It's happened three times within the past...4 hours, maybe? But will do.
[06:15] <Mohan_chml> jaybird, when the problem comes again, try the ping command
[06:15] <Mohan_chml> that will tell you whether you are connected or not
[06:16] <shredder12> jaybird: you can even use "tail -f /var/log/syslog" to see the most recent log. So, as soon as you discover that the connection is lost, you can immediately look for some hint in the logs. I can't guarantee that it will help, but it usually does
[06:16] <Mohan_chml> if it is working now, then we cant find the exact problem
[06:16] <shredder12> jaybird: yes, and try the "dig " command too, check the Query time.
[06:16] <Mohan_chml> as you said both firefox and chrome has the same problem, it must be the problem of the network or the wireless
[06:17] <jaybird> Ohh, okay. That's understandable. Also, this laptop had wireless issues for a while now. Back when it was running windows the wireless didn't work at all. So it could be a hardware issue.
[06:18] <shredder12> jaybird: yes, that could be a h/w issue.
[06:22] <jaybird> Oh btw, now that my internet's working again, I installed the theme I wanted without a problem. :) thank you!
[06:22] <jaybird> [that was my initial issue]
[11:51] <duanedesign> morning all
[14:52] <Tallon> What version of Ubuntu do I need to get to run on a 64-bit Atom processor, the front page download 64-bit option gives me 10.04-desktop-amd64.iso.   is that the right one even though I'm using an Intel processor?
[14:59] <robs1> Good morning all
[14:59] <robs1> I have a newbie question am hoping someone can help me with.
[15:00] <robs1> I am trying to find the  .ssh   directory and cannot seem to find it.  I did an "ls -a" on both /  and  /root
[15:01] <paultag> robs1, cd ~
[15:01] <paultag> robs1, it's full unexpanded name is ~/.ssh
[15:01] <Mohan_chml> Tallon, its okay to download and Install..
[15:01] <Mohan_chml> heya paultag
[15:01] <paultag> Mohan_chml, heyya
[15:02] <paultag> Oh great
[15:02] <paultag> you're welcome robs1
[15:02] <Mohan_chml> paultag, I am afraid robs1 didn't watch ya :P
[15:02] <paultag> :)
[15:02] <Mohan_chml> lol
[15:03] <Mohan_chml> paultag, your turn (:
[15:03] <paultag> robs1, did you get my last message?
[15:03] <robs1> Nope...I got disconnected for some reason
 robs1, cd ~
 robs1, it's full unexpanded name is ~/.ssh
[15:03] <Tallon> @Mohan, ok thanks just wasn't sure with the amd in the title
[15:03] <robs1> I tried that
[15:04] <robs1> root@svlso-3-3:~# ls -a ~/.ssh
[15:04] <robs1> ls: cannot access /root/.ssh: No such file or directory
[15:04] <robs1> root@svlso-3-3:~#
[15:04] <Mohan_chml> Tallon, (:
[15:04] <paultag> robs1, first of all, working as root is really really dumb
[15:04] <paultag> robs1, second of all, you need to ssh one time :)
[15:04] <paultag> robs1, it imports conf directories as you need them
[15:05] <robs1> okay...I backed out of root and am operating as a regular user
[15:06] <paultag> robs1, ssh one time
[15:06] <paultag> robs1, and you will have this directory
[15:06] <robs1> doing so now
[15:07] <robs1>  Ah, ok.  I now see the .ssh directory
[15:09] <robs1> Thanks paultag...that got me going.
[15:09] <paultag> sure robs1
[15:10] <paultag> robs1, good luck!
[15:10] <robs1> btw...in this case, it is not dumb to be working as root because I am installing a backup solution that requires that this be done as root
[15:10] <paultag> robs1, that's not true
[15:10] <paultag> robs1, run the installer with sudo
[15:10] <paultag> robs1, you should *never* have to use root
[15:11] <robs1> I'm installing an enterprise backup solution....it says that it must be installed as root...or the install will not complete
[15:11] <robs1> And I verified that to be true.
[15:11] <paultag> yes robs1, so use sudo
[15:12] <paultag> robs1, never work as root, run *single* commands under root with su -c 'foo' or sudo foo
[15:12] <robs1> yes, very good point paultag...am newbie so it shows LOL
[15:12] <paultag> robs1, if you don't have sudo on the machine, you have an issue
[15:12] <paultag> v:)
[15:12] <paultag> Doh
[15:12] <paultag> robs1, :)
[15:13] <robs1> np...it is actually kinda cool that mirc has support channels such as this
[15:13] <paultag> robs1, yeah, we love helping. There's a whole community of people to help
[15:13] <robs1> how do I verify that sudo is actually installed.  I know what sudo is, just haven't played with it
[15:13] <paultag> robs1, also wiki pages, help pages, manuals
[15:13] <paultag> robs1, what distro are you running ( I hope Ubuntu? )
[15:13] <robs1> yes ubuntu
[15:13] <paultag> robs1, dpkg -l | grep sudo
[15:14] <robs1> I like it so much that I also have it insalled on my mahcine at home. I love ubuntu unix and I am one of its crusader
[15:14] <paultag> robs1, there should be a line that says "ii    sudo"
[15:14] <robs1> checking it now
[15:14] <paultag> robs1, it's Linux, not UNIX :)
[15:14] <robs1> hehe...okay...HP-UX is what I mostly support
[15:15] <robs1> yup its there
[15:15] <robs1> larger than life
[15:15] <paultag> mm
[15:15] <paultag> robs1, you can check the suoders by the /etc/sudoers file
[15:15] <paultag> robs1, you need "root" ( but you can use sudo when you see root )
[15:15] <paultag> robs1, on Ubuntu the root account is disabled
[15:15] <robs1> wow thanks for this great help...I'm doing exactly as you say
[15:16] <paultag> robs1, and it should stay this way
[15:16] <paultag> robs1, Oh sure, no problem
[15:16] <paultag> robs1, esp if it's a server, if people know there is a "root" account with admin, they will try and hack this account
[15:16] <robs1> yeah no doubt
[15:16] <robs1> lowlifes
[15:16] <paultag> robs1, so if you disable this account and do admin work via sudo + regular user, it's harder to break into
[15:17] <paultag> they would need the /etc/passwd file to get a listing of people on the machine
[15:17] <robs1> one other thing...for some reason...I keep getting disconnected from mirch and I keep having to log back in
[15:17] <Mohan_chml> robs1, you kow what!! paultag is one of the hackers :P
[15:17] <paultag> Mohan_chml, ssshhhh! :P
[15:17] <Mohan_chml> lol
[15:17] <paultag> robs1, Humm, does your internet drop often?
[15:17] <robs1> lol you guys are hilarious
[15:18] <robs1> nope....its a corporate network
[15:18] <paultag> robs1, I'm reading here you're at HP
[15:18] <paultag> robs1, awesome :)
[15:18] <Mohan_chml> robs1, then why you are often getting disconnected?
[15:18] <paultag> robs1, Interesting. I wonder why you drop off a big line
[15:18] <robs1> that is a good question Mohan
[15:19] <Mohan_chml> he he... answer please:
[15:19] <robs1> this laptop has limited memory 1GB so maybe the limited memory address space just can't handle it
[15:19] <paultag> I can't imagine
[15:19] <paultag> irc is circa-1991
[15:19]  * Mohan_chml too
[15:19] <robs1> it kinda sucks but hey
[15:20] <paultag> robs1, try using webchat.freenode.net
[15:20] <Mohan_chml> paultag, GOTO work
[15:20] <paultag> robs1, if that drops something else is going on
[15:20] <paultag> robs1, that is port 80 ( not 6667 ) and over HTTP not IRC it's self
[15:20] <robs1> that's a good idea about switching irc servers
[15:20] <paultag> robs1, you're on Freenode now :)
[15:21] <robs1> yes isn't that where Im supposed to be
[15:21] <paultag> robs1, so if that drops it's not filters or anything
[15:21] <robs1> oh ok
[15:22] <robs1> I noticed something that as long a I keep typing...I don't get disconnected.  But if I go like 30 secons without typing... then boom it drops me like a hot potato
[15:23] <paultag> Oh humm!
[15:23] <paultag> robs1, this server has a PING system
[15:23] <paultag> robs1, if you client does not PONG you get the boot from timeout
[15:23] <robs1> ok, and....
[15:23] <robs1> Ah!!!
[15:23] <paultag> robs1, and when you type it resets the PING timeout
[15:23] <robs1> so what can I do to make my client ping
[15:23] <philinux> Need a pointer with a script and chroot
[15:23] <paultag> robs1, use another client :(
[15:23] <paultag> philinux, hola
[15:24] <robs1> lol
[15:24] <paultag> robs1, haha
[15:24] <paultag> robs1, windows or GNU/Linux over there>
[15:24] <philinux> o/
[15:24] <Mohan_chml> heya philinux
[15:24] <paultag> philinux, what can I help with
[15:24] <robs1> yeah I'm running windows as my client...ubuntu is not my client
[15:24] <philinux> Got a script for maverick so I can chroot from lucid
[15:24] <paultag> robs1, let's see, Try webchat.freenode for now
[15:25] <paultag> robs1, I think you can run some other ones, perhaps someone will poke in the conversation
[15:25] <robs1> okay thanks
[15:25] <paultag> robs1, sure thing
[15:25] <paultag> philinux, debootstrap'ed ?
[15:25] <philinux> Last line is this but there must be a better way. sudo chroot /mnt/lucid /bin/bash -c "cat /opt/apti && /bin/bash"
[15:26] <philinux> in the file apti is aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade. I'm fed up with typing this. If I use that as the command the terminal quits after it
[15:28] <philinux> As it cats the file I can then copy and paste it into the terminal. I'd like it to be run and then keep the terminal open
[15:28] <paultag> philinux, Sorry, what are you trying to do?
[15:29] <philinux> Enter chroot display "aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade" run it but keep terminal window open
[15:31] <robs1> Did paultag leave?
[15:32] <philinux> robs1: Dont think so
[15:32] <robs1> he's a good dude
[15:32] <robs1> helped me and didn't even have to
[15:33] <Mohan_chml> paultag, ping
[15:34] <paultag> Back :)
[15:34] <paultag> sorry
[15:34] <Mohan_chml> paultag, wb :)
[15:35] <paultag> tyty
[15:35] <paultag> I was at work :)
[15:35] <philinux> Enter chroot display "aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade" run it but keep terminal window open
[15:35] <Mohan_chml> paultag, but robs left :P
[15:35] <paultag> oh nooes
[15:35] <paultag> philinux, why not have it do it automatically?
[15:36] <philinux> paultag: I can but the terminal quits. Wont stay open
[15:36] <paultag> heyya robs1
[15:36] <paultag> philinux, that's if you exec it
[15:36] <robs1> Hello Paul!!!
[15:36] <paultag> philinux, you can fork it back off in the bg on entry
[15:36] <philinux> paultag: how
[15:36] <paultag> philinux, if you are *only* using this chroot for "fun" add it to your bashrc, let me verify the command I'm thinking of
[15:37] <paultag> philinux, yup it works
[15:37] <paultag> philinux, $(apt-get update && apt-get upgrade) &
[15:37] <philinux> I tried this sudo chroot /mnt/maverick /bin/bash -c "aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade"
[15:37] <paultag> philinux, that should kick it off in the bg, and so long as the shell is open that'll run
[15:37] <paultag> philinux, yeah, but bash will exit after the -c call cuz it will exec it
[15:38] <paultag> philinux, same reason a shell exits after a ./foo.sh
[15:38] <paultag> ./foo.sh is short for
[15:38] <paultag> bash foo.sh
[15:38] <paultag> or, with flags
[15:38] <paultag> /bin/bash -c "foo.sh"
[15:38] <philinux> So it needs to be sudo chroot /mnt/maverick /bin/bash $(aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade) &
[15:39] <paultag> philinux, if you can stand to have it lock up primary thread, don't fork it
[15:39] <paultag> philinux, but remember this will run *every* time you login
[15:39] <philinux> Thats the idea then keep term open
[15:39] <paultag> philinux, might also want a > /dev/null &2>1 on there too
[15:39] <philinux> It not for fun mav testing
[15:39] <paultag> philinux, yeah, so just remove the last & on it
[15:39] <paultag> philinux, and add that to the bashrc
[15:43] <philinux> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[15:43] <philinux> E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?
[15:43] <philinux> paultag: does not get the chroot prompt
[15:44] <paultag> whoh wtf
[15:44] <paultag> philinux, not your host bashrc
[15:44] <paultag> philinux, the chroot bashrc :)
[15:44] <philinux> I've not touched the bachrc at all this is run from a script on lucid
[15:45] <paultag> philinux, I'm lost
[15:46] <philinux> paultag: http://paste.ubuntu.com/476975/
[15:47] <paultag> philinux, well shucks, that's not what I said :)
[15:47] <philinux> paultag: ignore the reference to lucid I should have changed it to maverick
[15:47] <philinux> errr
[15:47] <paultag> philinux, is dev/sdb1 device static or dynamic ( I take it you do not bootstrap this often ) ?
[15:48] <philinux> sdb1 is second HD
[15:48] <philinux> Internal
[15:48] <paultag> philinux, that's not the question ;)
[15:48] <philinux> bootstrap?
[15:48] <paultag> philinux, how did you install mav ?
[15:49] <philinux> live cd to second HD. I run lucid chroot to update mava and boot into it now and then.
[15:49] <paultag> philinux, Ah, I see what you're doing.
[15:50] <paultag> philinux, let me bootstrap and test right quickly
[15:50] <philinux> paultag: so script used to stop at prompt and then I have to type aptitude etc. Want to not have to type
[15:50] <tommyguitfiddle> Can someone walk me through updating my kernel with Linux audio drivers from Asus website?
[15:50] <paultag> philinux, bootstrapping now. Give me a few minutes to work this out
[15:50] <philinux> Cheers
[15:58] <paultag> DAMNIT
[15:58] <paultag> I just got it phil
[15:58] <paultag> sudo chroot chroot/ bash -c 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && bash'
[16:00] <paultag> if phil gets back, someone paste that for me
[16:00] <paultag> I have to do some work ( at work )
[16:07] <tommyguitfiddle> Can someone walk me through updating my kernel with Linux audio drivers for my Asus motherboard?
[16:08] <paultag> tommyguitfiddle, sorry, I'm at work now
[16:08] <paultag> tommyguitfiddle, wait around
[16:09] <tommyguitfiddle> paultag, will do.
[16:10] <paultag> * philinux has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 DAMNIT
 I just got it phil
 sudo chroot chroot/ bash -c 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && bash'
 if phil gets back, someone paste that for me
 I have to do some work ( at work )
[16:10] <philinux> Not quit
[16:11] <philinux> paultag: nice try but terminal quits
[16:11] <paultag> philinux, I'm calling BS on that
[16:11] <paultag> philinux, I just ran it and it works here
[16:12] <philinux> Just ran the script and the terminal vanishes
[16:12] <paultag> sec
[16:12] <philinux> hang on
[16:12] <paultag> philinux, http://paste.ubuntu.com/476986/
[16:12] <paultag> philinux, yeah I'm calling B.S.
[16:14] <philinux> paultag: It doesn't run the update just exits pronto
[16:14] <paultag> philinux, it works here. Something is going wrong over there :)
[16:14] <paultag> philinux, the only way it will fail is if the update or upgrade fails
[16:16] <philinux> http://paste.ubuntu.com/476989/ Line 10 works as expected.
[16:17] <paultag> philinux, I don't know what you're doing
[16:18] <paultag> philinux, let me clarify
[16:18] <philinux> If I run it with line 10 active this is what happens
[16:19] <paultag> philinux, http://paste.ubuntu.com/476990/
[16:19] <paultag> philinux, it runs fine
[16:19] <paultag> philinux, there's my log
[16:22] <philinux> paultag: http://paste.ubuntu.com/476991/
[16:22] <philinux> Thats the result from my script with line 10 active
[16:22] <paultag> philinux, I don't really care about that part
[16:22] <paultag> philinux, paste the apt-get update && apt-get  upgrade
[16:23] <paultag> philinux, there is an error in that, there is no other reason bash would not start
[16:23] <philinux> Wheres' the error located?
[16:24] <paultag> philinux, you tell me :)
[16:25] <philinux> Ok well I'll just stick with my original script it works apart from having to copy and paste update upgrade bit into the command line
[16:25] <paultag> philinux, could you please run my commanad and paste the error so I can help you get apt working, so your shell works?
[16:25] <paultag> philinux, we can talk about it all day, but I need to know what error it is
[16:26] <philinux> If I run the script with this: sudo chroot chroot/ bash -c 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && bash' I dont get any errors the terminal just quits
[16:27] <philinux> If I manually run it it gives this.
[16:28] <philinux> sudo chroot chroot/ bash -c 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && bash'
[16:28] <philinux> chroot: cannot change root directory to chroot/: No such file or directory
[16:28] <paultag> well dur
[16:28] <paultag> philinux, change chroot/ to /mnt/whatever
[16:28] <paultag> philinux, chroot is what i'm using here
[16:28] <philinux> Ah change what?
[16:28] <paultag> /mnt/lucid/
[16:28] <paultag> philinux, sudo chroot /mnt/lucid/ bash -c 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && bash'
[16:29] <philinux> chroot: cannot change root directory to /mnt/lucid/: No such file or directory
[16:29] <paultag> philinux, ...
[16:29] <paultag> philinux, did you write that script?
[16:30] <philinux> No got it off forums I think
[16:30] <paultag> that explains it
[16:30] <paultag> philinux, put that in your script
[16:30] <paultag> philinux, chroot/ refers to a dir where the sdb device is mounted
[16:30] <paultag> philinux, change that path to match the mount command's
[16:32] <philinux> This is original script I cobbled together. http://paste.ubuntu.com/476995/
[16:33] <philinux> Running this get me the root prompt
[16:34] <philinux> Commands entered after line 10 are just ignored
[16:34] <paultag> philinux, http://paste.ubuntu.com/476997/
[16:34] <paultag> well yeah
[16:37] <philinux> Yes Yes
[16:38] <philinux> paultag: Cheers
[16:38] <paultag> philinux, no problems
[16:38] <paultag> problem *
[16:39] <philinux> was it the /bin/bash causing the problem or what
[16:40] <paultag> no philinux
[16:40] <paultag> philinux, you had the wrong path
[16:40] <paultag> philinux, or if you had the chroot before it then it won't execute until that ends
[16:40] <paultag> philinux, I don't know
[16:40] <paultag> it just makes sense if you write it from scratch
[16:41] <philinux> Sorted now anyway
[16:41] <paultag> yuppers
[18:08] <raymac007> I have a headless linux server.  I want to do a fresh install in linux.  Can this be done via ssh?
[18:08] <raymac007>  . . . a fresh install of linux.
[18:16] <drubin> r<tab> no
[18:28] <siculars> hey gang, in ubuntu server , outside of top, how can i figure out which processes are using x memory? a fresh boot of ubuntu comes up using like 300+ mb ram
[18:30] <paultag> siculars, give "ps -eo pmem,pcpu,rss,vsize,args | sort -k 1 -r | more" a try
[18:31] <drubin> holy cow. Hope you had that saved some where :)
[18:31] <siculars> whoa. bash hackery ftw
[18:31] <paultag> ( process memory, process cpu, res. set size, vm side, args )
[18:32] <paultag> siculars, :)
[18:32] <drubin> but still ;-p
[18:32] <paultag> drubin, aye, I keep a ninja kit
[18:32] <drubin> paultag: ^5
[18:32] <paultag> ^5
[18:32] <paultag> siculars, all set?
[18:32] <siculars> so i should be looking at the vm size?
[18:33] <siculars> whats res.set sieze
[18:33] <paultag> siculars, the first column is the memory size
[18:33] <paultag> siculars, resident set size
[18:33] <paultag> siculars, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_set_size <-- this does it better then me
[18:33] <paultag> Resident Set Size is the portion of a process's memory that is held in RAM. The rest of the memory exists in swap or the filesystem (never loaded or previously unloaded parts of the executable).
[18:33] <siculars> o0o
[18:34] <paultag> siculars, might help debug ninja ram users
[18:34] <siculars> is it possible that free -m is reporting such a high number of mem usage due to including the 256mb swap ?
[18:34]  * Mohan_chml says paultag is a geek, but he twists the answers for the beginners :P
[18:34] <siculars> cause i find it hard to believe the system is using that much ram with nothing running on it
[18:35] <paultag> siculars, there should be a swap column -- the Mem: column is your hardware only
[18:35] <siculars> its a 512mb linode ubuntu vm
[18:35] <paultag> Mohan_chml, siculars here is not a beginner :)
[18:35] <paultag> Mohan_chml, he's using shell only on a vps, he can handle it
[18:35] <Mohan_chml> Wow
[18:35] <siculars> not a complete beginner ;)
[18:35] <paultag> siculars, what services are you running?
[18:35] <paultag> siculars, any chance this is a webhost?
[18:36] <siculars> but this is sort of a beginner question , no ?
[18:36]  * Mohan_chml dk what paultag said with a whole command line keywords
[18:36] <paultag> siculars, meh, but we can help, we're cool like that :)
[18:36] <siculars> its just running nginx , which comes up in your bash-fu but is negligible (cause its nginx and not ... apache)
[18:36] <paultag> siculars, have you tweeked mysql and apache2 to cut it's ram fat?
[18:36] <paultag> :)
[18:37] <paultag> siculars, try this. I worked with another guy in here to cut my vps down to almost zero usage. Sec
[18:37] <paultag> siculars, I went from
[18:37] <paultag> Requests per second: 13.21 [#/sec] (mean)
[18:37] <siculars> here is my output from the bash-fu
[18:37] <siculars> http://pastie.org/1088762
[18:37] <paultag> to Requests per second: 1942.31 [#/sec] (mean)
[18:38] <siculars> im really not running anything on it yet ...
[18:38] <paultag> siculars, what's free -m
[18:38] <Mohan_chml> paultag, you are mean!! @_@
[18:38] <paultag> Mohan_chml, :)
[18:38] <Mohan_chml> (:
[18:38] <paultag> siculars, FY(future)I -- http://blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/optimize-wordpress-for-speed/
[18:38] <siculars> and this is 32b ubuntu ... not 64b mem pig ubuntu
[18:38] <paultag> siculars, hehe, +1, I'm with you 100%
[18:39] <paultag> siculars, what's the free -m dump look like?
[18:40] <siculars> http://pastie.org/1088766
[18:40] <paultag> siculars, thanks, that was going to be my next question. You're nothing close to a beginner, thanks for the tidy kickback :)
[18:41] <paultag> Oh shoot, I think I know...
[18:41] <siculars> i really don't get it ...
[18:41] <paultag> I read this obscure article once siculars
[18:41] <paultag> siculars, let me try and find it, it explains whats going on
[18:41] <paultag> ( better then I could do right now )
[18:42] <siculars> thanks , much obliged paultag
[18:43] <paultag> siculars, sure, give me a sec to find it, it was on a mailing list or some no-name blog
[18:45] <siculars> whoa . i asked this question on the linode chan (irc.oftc.net) and like 10 ppl replied with http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[18:46] <paultag> Thats it!!
[18:46] <paultag> siculars, hahaha, that's the one
[18:46] <paultag> siculars, give them my thanks, I needed to get that link again
[18:49] <paultag> siculars, :)
[18:50] <siculars> ya , that was pretty noobtastic . stupid disk buffers screwing with my free mem readouts makin me all crazy
[18:50] <paultag> siculars, no no no, not at all
[18:50] <siculars> according to my new understanding i have 467 mb free on a 512 node . that makes me happy
[18:51] <paultag> siculars, you would not know unless you are a kernel guy who works on the disk optimizations
[18:51] <paultag> siculars, I had to be told, and I've been using since 01
[18:53] <siculars> ya , im looking to run some stuff on this box .... nginx , nodejs , redis and riak for a demo at tonights nyc.js
[18:57] <philinux> Another minor problem. Cant seem to access a printer. It's shared it says. Here's the network. http://filebin.ca/vzvhs/Network.odg
[18:57] <philinux> Cant access it from laptop. Not bothered about access from xp machine
[19:00] <paultag> siculars, nice :)
[19:00] <paultag> siculars, do you live in NY?
[19:00] <siculars> ya
[19:01] <paultag> siculars, yankees SUCK
[19:01] <siculars> paultag: lol
[19:01] <paultag> siculars, Boston guy here
[19:01] <siculars> paultag: but they win ;)
[19:01] <paultag> siculars, we have twice the wins you do this millennium
[19:01] <siculars> but what do you have to show for it
[19:01] <paultag> siculars, the best damn team in the nation
[19:02] <paultag> siculars, I was just down in long island not too long ago
[19:02] <paultag> pretty rad, NYC is nice for a few days ;)
[19:03] <siculars> or ... forever !
[19:03] <paultag> over my cold hard sox-loving body
[19:03] <siculars> nyc ftw . don't get me wrong , boston is nice for a visit . but its just so ... small
[19:03] <philinux> Come on guys have a look at my network.
[19:03] <paultag> siculars, nyc is just so... dirty
[19:03] <paultag> philinux, Humm, oh right. sec
[19:04] <philinux> Cheers. I think I need to find it's IP address. I'm not a networking expert at all
[19:04] <paultag> philinux, is ubuntu laptop on the router again?
[19:04] <siculars> best thing to come out of boston outside of your uni's are matt daemon ben aflack movies
[19:04] <paultag> erm, not again*
[19:04] <philinux> paultag: yes laptop see router wirelessly just fine
[19:04] <paultag> siculars, bah :P
[19:05] <siculars> paultag: hehe
[19:05] <paultag> siculars, we have some awesome beans
[19:05] <paultag> siculars, and a flood of molassis that killed some people
[19:05] <philinux> paultag: ubuntu machine is connected to router by two homeplug units so it's directly wired
[19:05] <paultag> philinux, is cups running on the machine?
[19:06] <paultag> ubuntu machine
[19:06] <philinux> paultag: yes ubuntu machine can print to printer just fine
[19:06] <paultag> philinux, http://localhost:631/
[19:06] <paultag> philinux, see if that helps any
[19:07] <philinux> Yep been there, although I've set the printer to shared cups says it not shared. How do I get it's IP address
[19:07] <paultag> philinux, ifconfig
[19:07] <philinux> right so I use that command on the machine connected to the printer
[19:07] <paultag> philinux, ifconfig | grep inet\ addr | tr ":" " " | awk '{print $3}'
[19:07] <paultag> philinux, on the printer host
[19:08] <philinux> Cheers. I'll give that a go tomoz when I'm at GF's.
[19:08] <paultag> philinux, sure thing
[19:08] <philinux> It's beer oclock now so thanks for help
[19:08] <paultag> philinux, cheers
[19:09] <paultag> siculars, say, are you on IRC often?
[19:09] <siculars> ya , just not in this chan
[19:09] <siculars> people who hit an ubunut-beginner chan on irc cant be that beginner
[19:09] <paultag> siculars, we're always looking for good talent to help around here, you've got the right kind of 'tude and know-how
[19:09] <paultag> siculars, nah :)
[19:10] <paultag> siculars, #ubuntu-beginners-team is where we "hang out", if you're interested
[19:10] <siculars> o0o
[19:10] <siculars> lets take a look
[19:10] <paultag> siculars, we also have a dev team that needs some love, you mentioned you were a JS guy?
[22:11] <nika_> hey, so I got a question to the tune of "should I install in the first place", is this the right place to ask?
[22:14] <seidos> nika_, whether or not you should install in the first place is a personal decision, even assuming ubuntu will work perfectly on your hardware
[22:18] <pedro3005> You can always go back if you don't like it
[22:18] <nika_> i understand :) it's more like, how much fidgeting with the config can I expect on a netbook install? has anyone here done it? my experience is, the more recent/common the hardware, the less fine-tuning, and vice-versa. But i'm thinking of buying a new netbook, which i know nothing about.
[22:19] <seidos> nika_, you should check out the hcl located here:  http://www.ubuntuhcl.org/
[22:19] <nika_> thanks
[22:19] <seidos> I'm not entirely sure "newer" necessarily means "more compatible"
[22:20] <seidos> I never installed on a netbook, just a laptop and desktop
[22:21] <nika_> yeah, ok, wow. thanks seidos, that website has more info than i can process in one stare :)
[22:24] <seidos> nika_, I would recommend against buying anything that has less than a 5 rating on the hcl, if possible.  But I have looked at netbooks on the hcl.
[22:24] <seidos> s/have/haven't
[22:24] <nika_> ok, will keep that in mind
[22:51] <raubvogel> How do I specify which repository to use during a fresh ubuntu install?
[22:59] <phillw> raubvogel: have a read through https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[22:59] <phillw> that gives all the details of altering things
[23:08] <raubvogel> phillw: I am running a sed script to change the repositories post-install to my internal one. I was just wondering if I could change it *during* the initial install.
[23:09] <phillw> raubvogel: you'd have to ask one of those on here; I do not know the answer to that
[23:10] <phillw> paultag: ping ^^
[23:11] <paultag> phillw: second, quad tasking
[23:11] <paultag> wait around, I'll get back to this task in less then an hour
[23:12] <phillw> raubvogel: he will get back, so please do wait