[00:23] <mike1> STILL having the problem with proxy.   changed/corrected order of NICs in firewall
[00:30] <Iceman_B> how do I restart samba?
[00:32] <KE1HA> sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[00:32] <KE1HA> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/index.html
[00:33] <Iceman_B> thanks
[00:33] <Iceman_B> it seems like 10.04 is full of surprises
[00:34] <Iceman_B> I cant access my files on the samba share in Windows, but I can see them
[00:34] <Iceman_B> sudo: /etc/init.d/samba: command not found
[00:36] <KE1HA> Im not at my server, but seems I recall that changing.
[00:36] <KE1HA> that's why i pulled it off the Wiki, guess it needs some work :-)
[00:37] <KE1HA> try sudo restart samba
[00:37] <Iceman_B> thanks
[00:37] <Iceman_B> lets see
[00:38] <KE1HA> then do a sudo testparm
[00:38] <Iceman_B> restart: Unknown job: samba
[00:38] <KE1HA> you sure it's installed ?
[00:38] <KE1HA> Oh, sri, my bad.
[00:38] <KE1HA> sudo restart smbd
[00:38] <Iceman_B> im sure its installed :)
[00:39] <Iceman_B> smbd start/running, process 2860
[00:39] <Iceman_B> is that the correct return?
[00:39] <KE1HA> now do sudo testparm
[00:40] <KE1HA> I just upgrade my server from 8.04, lots changed ;-)
[00:41] <Iceman_B> KE1HA: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/aifXSwzN
[00:41] <Iceman_B> still, access denied
[00:42] <KE1HA> let me get my share off conf, will patebin it, you need to change the path and username though.
[00:45] <KE1HA> Iceman_B, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/476668/
[00:49] <Iceman_B> whoa
[00:49] <Iceman_B> that's a whole slew of new options
[00:49] <Iceman_B> lemem try that
[00:51] <Iceman_B> testparm does not display invalid OR default settings, right ?
[00:51] <KE1HA> If it fails it will tell you that.
[00:52] <Iceman_B> okay
[00:52] <KE1HA> f testparm runs correctly, it will list the loaded services. If not, it will give an error message. Make sure it runs correctly and that the services look reasonable before proceeding
[00:53] <Thund3rX> Hi all, what version of Eucalyptus comes in bundled with Ubuntu Server Edition?
[00:54] <Iceman_B> KE1HA: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/476673/
[00:54] <Iceman_B> no errors were thrown
[00:54] <Iceman_B> but can you explain that discrepancy
[00:54] <Iceman_B> ?
[00:56] <KE1HA> which line do you think is not right ?
[00:58] <Iceman_B> hm>? is that a question or a quiz?
[00:58] <Iceman_B> because I dont think the lines are wrong :)
[00:58] <KE1HA> There ya go, ok, does it work ?
[00:58] <Iceman_B> Im just wondering why some of the lines vanish in the testparm
[00:58] <Iceman_B> lemme see if it works
[00:59] <Iceman_B> nope, still access denied
[00:59] <KE1HA> I dont know, Im not an expert on testparm, but know if I get errors using it, I need to fix them.
[00:59] <KE1HA> have you added a user to samba ?
[01:00] <KE1HA> as in, dod you do somethign like this at one point: smbpasswd -a [user_name]
[01:00] <KE1HA> opps as in, did you do somethign .. ..
[01:03] <Iceman_B> yeah
[01:03] <KE1HA> Man, do i have a big chat-delay or are you checking somethign ?
[01:03] <Iceman_B> ah sorry
[01:03] <KE1HA> So you added a smbpasswd ?
[01:03] <Iceman_B> i was checking the samba.org  page
[01:03] <Iceman_B> yes
[01:04] <Iceman_B> and it happens to match my linux pass
[01:04] <KE1HA> and did you restart samba after you mand the Share changes ?
[01:04] <Iceman_B> yeah
[01:04] <Iceman_B> sudo restart smbd right?
[01:04] <Iceman_B> I can try again though
[01:04] <KE1HA> yes
[01:05] <KE1HA> and just to be sure, you've done all this as sudo, not root yes ?
[01:05] <Iceman_B> all this sudo
[01:06] <Iceman_B> i dont think I can do this as a root
[01:06] <Iceman_B> something about ubuntu missing a root user
[01:06] <Iceman_B> ?
[01:07] <KE1HA> no, you should not do anythign as root in Ubuntu.
[01:07] <KE1HA> How are are you trying to access the shared folder ?
[01:07] <Iceman_B> in windows, I do
[01:08] <Iceman_B> network places > and then the share is listed there
[01:08] <KE1HA> that's good, at least its seeing it. Does WinDoze Ask you for a U/N and P/W ?
[01:08] <Iceman_B> nope, but thats because the Windoze pass is the same
[01:08] <Iceman_B> and the user
[01:09] <Iceman_B> Im assuming here that in the background, samba asks for credentials, and windows supplies whatever im logged in with
[01:09] <Iceman_B> and they match
[01:09] <Iceman_B> im beginnin to suspect another thing here
[01:10] <Iceman_B> the files im trying to access, were created on another ubuntu system
[01:10] <KE1HA> No, it dont work that wau.
[01:10] <KE1HA> way*
[01:10] <KE1HA> your linux box, the first time you acess the sahe should ask you for the info.
[01:11] <KE1HA> There's another way to do this with the conf file, but I dont use it too often.
[01:11] <Iceman_B> I think I found the problem
[01:11] <Iceman_B> its the files themselves
[01:11] <Iceman_B> they are being pwned by root
[01:11] <Iceman_B> instead of my user
[01:11] <Iceman_B> they all reside on a different hdd, which is mounted on a dir in my ~/
[01:12] <Iceman_B> so that would explain it
[01:12] <Iceman_B> I wonder if I can chown the entire drive recurseivly
[01:12] <KE1HA> Back to the .conf file then ## comment out the previous Share setings then try this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/476677/
[01:12] <Iceman_B> without breaking the automount
[01:12] <KE1HA> and sudo srestart samba again
[01:13] <KE1HA> The access it though IE with \\IP-Address\Share_Folder
[01:14] <Iceman_B> before I do that, I want to try the ownership thing first
[01:14] <KE1HA> SRI, \\IP_Address\username
[01:14] <Iceman_B> because if I create a file from windows, ON the share, I can access it fine
[01:14] <KE1HA> Ownership of the share ?
[01:14] <Iceman_B> no
[01:14] <Iceman_B> of all the files in the share
[01:14] <Iceman_B> I made a kinda complicated setup I guess
[01:14] <KE1HA> that's a diffrent problem, if you can create a File on the Share, then Samba is working.
[01:15] <Iceman_B> yeh
[01:15] <KE1HA> Then cd to the Share and chown -R ./*
[01:15] <KE1HA> chown -R username ./*
[01:16] <KE1HA> that's will change the owner, if you want group too: chown -R username:username ./*
[01:16] <Iceman_B> thanks
[01:17] <Iceman_B> its running now
[01:17] <KE1HA> but first, in the dir share directory, do a la -al and look at the owner and group
[01:17] <Iceman_B> that said root root
[01:17] <Iceman_B> uid 0
[01:17] <KE1HA> cool, you didn't say you could create files, but not access the old ones.
[01:17] <Iceman_B> yeah, I didnt know what info to provide
[01:17] <Iceman_B> or what is critical
[01:18] <KE1HA> that's why, root owned them, not you the user.
[01:18] <KE1HA> Samba is just the go-between .. like the tunnel.
[01:18] <KE1HA> Anyway, Im glad it's workign.
[01:19] <KE1HA> Only took me an hour to help you get it fixed :-)
[01:19] <KE1HA> I really need to work-over this 10.04, it's allot difffrent than 8.04 was
[01:19] <Iceman_B> ack
[01:19] <Iceman_B> almost there
[01:19] <Iceman_B> all the owner:group are now correct
[01:20] <Iceman_B> but when I want to open a file, say a pdf
[01:20] <Iceman_B> do I need my own permission set to 6 or 7 ?
[01:20] <KE1HA> now from windows, dor a refresh on the directory
[01:20] <KE1HA> well, no dee to 777 I'd do 750 if it's only you accessing them anyway.
[01:21] <KE1HA> no need for 777 .. .. ..
[01:21] <KE1HA> You could tightening them up real tight, but on you own boxes, probably not needed but it's up to you.
[01:23] <Iceman_B> so whats the syntax
[01:23] <Iceman_B> man pages are usually cryptic
[01:23] <Iceman_B> chown u+ 0700 ?
[01:23] <KE1HA> syntax for what ?
[01:24] <KE1HA> chmod [000] [filename]
[01:24] <KE1HA> Once you own the files your just changing the permissions.
[01:25] <KE1HA> if yo want to do a whole directory of files, or anything below a certain directory level, just do
[01:25] <KE1HA> chmod -R ./*   but besure your in the directory where you want to change the file permissions and the -R is recursive.
[01:25] <Iceman_B> thats fine
[01:26] <KE1HA> you need the permission in there of course, like: chmod -R 750 ./*  would change every file * directory below where your at.
[01:30]  * Iceman_B sighs, still nothing
[01:31] <Iceman_B> so all the files on the share are owned by my own user:group
[01:31] <Iceman_B> permissions on all the files and dirs are set to rwx------
[01:31] <Iceman_B> and still access denied on all those files
[01:33] <KE1HA> Iceman_B, but you can go from windows to the share directory and create files or from the Ubuntu machine and put new files there and Windows can acess it ?
[01:34] <Iceman_B> yup
[01:34] <Iceman_B> I can see the share in windows, create file in windows, open THOSE files in windows
[01:34] <KE1HA> Only thing I can think to try is use sudo to change the user:group and then file permission, and see where that takes you.
[01:34] <Iceman_B> and write to them
[01:35] <KE1HA> as in: sudo chown -R username:username ./*  then do sudo chmod -R 700 ./*
[01:38] <Iceman_B> I just rebooted my server
[01:38] <Iceman_B> all the colors from bash are gone now too :?
[01:38] <Iceman_B> but first this samba issue
[01:38] <Iceman_B> i'll try your suggestion, sec
[01:39] <Iceman_B> chown is running now
[01:41] <KE1HA> must be allot of files :-) Music Archive ?
[01:42] <Iceman_B> and anime =)
[01:42] <KE1HA> :-)
[01:42] <Iceman_B> samba should have no problems when im in windows and I access file, that in linux is a symlink, which points to the actual file
[01:42] <Iceman_B> right?
[01:43] <Iceman_B> assuming im the owner of all, and I have rwx permissions on it
[01:43] <KE1HA> Links are short cuts
[01:43] <KE1HA> what's the permissions on the files? are they in a diffrent place ?
[01:45] <Iceman_B> well, physically they are on a different drive, but that is mounted in ~/rin
[01:45] <Iceman_B> and I just changed all the permission on those files to 0700
[01:46] <KE1HA> and you ls all of them ?
[01:46] <Iceman_B> ls ?
[01:46] <Iceman_B> how do you mean
[01:46] <KE1HA> How did you create the links ?
[01:47] <Iceman_B> good question, lemme think
[01:49] <Iceman_B> I have a dir ~/share, I cd to that, and then I do ln -s ~/rin/..../file.pdf file.pdf
[01:50] <Iceman_B> and still the same error, access denied
[01:50] <KE1HA> and you created those with the other system ?
[01:51] <KE1HA> On the Ubuntu box, move on of the real files to the shared directory and see if windows and open it
[01:52] <KE1HA> Move a file, not the link
[01:52] <Iceman_B> all those fiels were created on another system, yeah
[01:52] <Iceman_B> I can access them from within ubuntu fine though
[01:52] <Iceman_B> but I'll try
[01:53] <KE1HA> move one of the actual files, using the Ubuntu server, and see if you can read it from windows.
[01:53] <KE1HA> but dont creat a Ln -s for that file.
[01:53] <KE1HA> try to acess the actual moved file.
[01:56] <Iceman_B> that seems to work
[01:56] <Iceman_B> I can access the files fine
[01:56] <Iceman_B> so I guess the problem is in a symlink ?
[01:57] <KE1HA> Kill all those links, move the files, move them back ad re-do your links.
[01:57] <KE1HA> or, directly acess the file,s which is best.
[01:57] <Iceman_B> I cant move the files
[01:57] <Iceman_B> not enough space on my disk
[01:57] <KE1HA> You just did.
[01:57] <Iceman_B> yeah, one
[01:57] <Iceman_B> I cant move em all
[01:58] <KE1HA> well, try deleting a link and re-creating it, but I think it's the source (re file) giving you the trouble.
[01:58] <KE1HA> oop (real file )
[01:58] <Iceman_B> okay
[01:58] <Iceman_B> lemem try that
[02:01] <Iceman_B> yeah seems to work now
[02:01] <KE1HA> Well done :-)
[02:02] <Iceman_B> thanks a million
[02:02] <KE1HA> links are a pain in the back side, especially hard links.
[02:02] <Iceman_B> but...what did really change?
[02:02] <Iceman_B> I never use hard links
[02:02] <KE1HA> No problem, glad ya got it sorted.
[02:05] <Iceman_B> so can you explain whats different now?
[02:05] <Iceman_B> because I had a samba share with symlinks in it which were giving me a hard time, now i have the same share with the same symlinks
[02:05] <Iceman_B> but it works
[02:06] <KE1HA> Not exactly sure, but I think it was a uid issue from the root ownership, but Im not 100%.
[02:06] <Iceman_B> yeah you would think that...
[02:06] <Iceman_B> ut im not so sure
[02:07] <Iceman_B> I mean, what really defines the uniqueness of a UID ?
[02:07] <Iceman_B> the number?
[02:07] <KE1HA> I think the uid issue was on the actual file, not the link, but I'd have to go dig on that one.
[02:08] <KE1HA> That's why Linux / Unix is as secure as it is. Sure there's holes, but nothing like on WinDoze
[02:08] <KE1HA> If that was a WinDoze box, you wouldnt' ahve been here askign quesitons.
[02:08] <Iceman_B> perhaps
[02:09] <KE1HA> file / directory permission in WinDoze is horrible.
[02:09] <Iceman_B> but lets not turn this into a Windoez hating thing :)
[02:09] <KE1HA> I dont "hate Windows .. I still have one WinDoze box, just in case, but dont use it much.
[02:10] <KE1HA> But I certainly begrudge "paying for huge security risks" and viruses.
[02:11] <KE1HA> In fact, your problem there wasn't a WinDoze issue, was a Linux security feature :-0
[02:13] <Iceman_B> yeah, that seemed to be the case
[02:14] <KE1HA> anyways, Im headed back to the standard UB channel catch ya later, glad its all sorted.
[02:14] <Iceman_B> cool, thanks!
[02:34] <Iceman_B> KE1HA: seems I was a bit premature, only the file I moved back and forth seemed to work with a symlink, I was still unable to access dirs, which were symlinked into the SMB share
[02:34] <Iceman_B> from windows of course, in Linux I can access fine
[02:34] <Iceman_B> I'll throw this on the forum during daytime, off to bed now :)
[02:34] <Iceman_B> thanks again though
[02:38] <Patrickdk> Iceman_B, over smb?
[02:39] <Patrickdk> ya, samba attempts to not allow that, unless you enable wide symlinks
[02:39] <Patrickdk> and in order to enable that, you have to disable unix extentions or something, that ubuntu uses by default
[03:13] <chai_> ok so my home server will let me ssh to it and also will let me read files via sftp. but not write permissions. how can i change permissions? i have sudo
[03:16] <reggi> hello?
[03:16] <reggi> anyone here?
[03:16]  * ball nods
[03:16] <reggi> cool
[03:17] <ball> Last night, as an experiment, I installed Ubuntu Server onto a software RAID array.  I was pleasantly surprised when it booted and appeared to run quite well.
[03:19] <reggi> i have a really basic question. I'm trying to setup my laptop as a gateway and dhcp server to share my vodafone 3G internet connection. I have followed the instructions on this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing and also installed firestarter and used these instructions http://www.howtoforge.com/dhcp_server_linux_debian_sarge (using dhcpd3). I now have conflicting dhcp settings and cannot get it to work. How can I remove
[03:19] <reggi> any dhcp configs and start again? thanks.
[03:23] <ball> reggi: So you want it to be a dhcp server on its Ethernet port and dhcp client (ppp client?) on its mobile broadband interface?
[03:24] <reggi> yes that is correct ball.
[03:24] <ball> ...and then something to route between those two ports.
[03:24] <ball> (to perform NAS, I suppose)
[03:25] <reggi> yep. i've tried 3 different methods to achieve this
[03:25] <reggi> but there is a conflict with 2 different dhcp settings
[03:25]  * ball has no idea how this stuff works on Linux
[03:26] <reggi> when I run tail -n 100 /var/log/syslog i get this output http://paste.ubuntu.com/476702/
[03:26] <zash> dhcpd should only listen on the eth* port, which should then not be configured with a dhcpclient
[03:27] <reggi> oh hang on a sec
[03:27] <ball> zash: Is that achieved by editing a flat text file or two?
[03:27] <reggi> i'm getting the terminology confused (i'm used to the windows method of ICS) basically here is the diagram.
[03:28] <reggi>  internet - <ppp> - <eth0> DHCP + gateway
[03:28] <zash> ball: /etc/network/interfaces
[03:29] <reggi> there are only two lines in that interfaces file, auto lo and iface lo inet loopback
[03:30] <zash> reggi: this was a laptop you say
[03:30] <ball> OH!  I just thought of another question that occurred to me.  Do the individual drives of a (software) RAID array have some sort of identifier on them, so that they can move around between busses and/or ports and still work?
[03:30] <reggi> yep its a laptop zash.
[03:30] <zash> reggi: do you have network-manager installed
[03:30] <zash> cause it allows you to do this with a couple of click iirc
[03:31] <reggi> zash, what is a networkmanager? i may already have it and not know it.
[03:31] <reggi> I have NetworkManager Applet 0.8
[03:31] <zash> reggi: the service that is installed by default in normal ubuntu desktops
[03:32] <zash> reggi: yes, that's a inerface to nm
[03:32] <reggi> ahah
[03:32] <zash> reggi: IPv4 settings → method = shared to other computers
[03:32] <zash> I think that enables a DHCP server
[03:32] <zash> and stuff
[03:32] <zash> and magic!
[03:33] <reggi> zash, it's not that easy for me, i'm trying to share the mobile broadband which does not have a simple box to tick to 'shared to other computers'.
[03:34] <reggi> I can see the 'shared to other computers' box for the eth0 though.
[03:34] <zash> reggi: you set that on the eth0
[03:34] <zash> reggi: and leave the 3g as it is
[03:34] <reggi> oh...hmm really? ok i'll try that.
[03:35] <zash> reggi: I'm not completly sure, but I thinkt it should work
[03:35] <zash> I've shared 3g to wifi somehow
[03:36] <reggi> hmm ok zash, i've given the eth0 a static ip of 192
[03:36] <reggi> 168.0.1...
[03:37] <reggi> i can't believe it's so hard to ICS in ubuntu
[03:38] <reggi> in xp and vista you can do it in 3 clicks
[03:38] <reggi> :/
[03:48] <clusty> reggi: i can't believe you just compared ubuntu to windows
[03:49] <reggi> lol
[03:49] <clusty> either way this is the wrong spot to ask such questions cause ppl here usually don't even use GUIs
[03:50] <clusty> in ubuntu is 3-4 commands
[03:50] <clusty> 1 dhcp server - not mandatory
[03:50] <clusty> 1 masquarading firewall rule
[03:50] <reggi> i'm just frustrated i suppose, steep learning curve, head hurts. I'm forcing myself to learn linux - i've basically gone cold turkey and installed linux on all my machines.
[03:52] <zash> reggi: I hope you are aware of that this is #ubuntu-server
[03:52] <reggi> clusty: i've been given 3 different ways to ICS, 1. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing, 2. http://www.howtoforge.com/dhcp_server_linux_debian_sarge 3. firestarter. I've asked these questions in the #ubuntu channel and they asked me to post here because it is related to dhcp "server".
[03:53] <reggi> hmm.
[03:53] <clusty> reggi: you don't have to have a dhcp server
[03:53] <clusty> then you punch in all ips/gateways by hand
[03:53] <reggi> oh really?
[03:54] <clusty> dhcp is a service that gives ips to everybody
[03:54] <clusty> and helps them configure their routes i guess also
[03:54] <reggi> yeah that is what I want to do. I really want to get away from all this gui stuff and do things in terminal
[04:26] <qman__> reggi, note that "ICS"/"Internet Connection Sharing" is a windows-specific term, everybody else refers to it as NAT, NAT overloading, or the iptables-specific "IP Masquerading"
[04:26] <qman__> what you're really doing is configuring your server to be a router
[04:27] <qman__> the reason it's a little bit more complicated is because there's a whole lot more things it can do
[04:27] <reggi> ah i see. well that is reassuring qman__
[04:28] <qman__> a basic setup like you probably want is still fairly straightforward, and with the right guide, shouldn't take more than an afternoon to set up, even your first time
[04:29] <reggi> qman, I know that the easy way would be to buy one of those routers with 3G sim card backup but I'm learning a hell of a lot by going down the linux path.
[04:30] <qman__> it's worth the effort
[04:30] <reggi> qman__: what I would like ultimately is to learn how to setup a server that would do everything a windows server would do, ie, domain name controller / ldap, roaming profile, etc
[04:30] <qman__> the tools you learn are the same tools used for pretty much all linux-based routing and networking
[04:31] <qman__> well, a full fledged windows-compatible domain controller is a ways off yet, but expect that with samba 4
[04:31] <reggi> up until a few days ago I was trying to learn by doing google searches and reading up but there is something different when chatting with someone 'live' on irc.
[04:31] <reggi> ahuh
[04:31] <qman__> however, LDAP for a centralized linux authentication system is perfectly doable
[04:32] <qman__> and samba 3 can manage NT-style domains
[04:32] <reggi> one of my business clients is hell bent on getting a windows server to serve about 15 users
[04:32] <reggi> at the moment they have peer to peer network.
[04:32] <reggi> i'm trying to talk them into saving money and going for a linux box.
[04:32] <qman__> he does know that server 2008 starts at a thousand dollars, right?
[04:34] <reggi> but before I can convince them I want to be confident that I can install and support it. luckily I have a couple of old machines lying around that I can install ubuntu server 64bit and play around. I did mention to my client that it would cost a couple of grand for the ms server license and user cals
[04:34] <qman__> well, if you don't need full-on windows domain functionality, just a file server/basic network services, it's not that difficult to do
[04:34] <reggi> yeah I'm halfway there
[04:34] <reggi> the other day I setup my very first freenas box
[04:35] <reggi> its so ... so reliable and easy.
[04:35] <qman__> yeah, none of that rebooting every time it updates
[04:36] <qman__> uses a lot less resources too, you don't need a $5000 server to host some files
[04:37] <reggi> i bet. i've been studying this guide http://www.howtoforge.com/vboxheadless-running-virtual-machines-with-virtualbox-3.1-on-a-headless-ubuntu-9.10-server and I'll test it out either tonight or tomorrow.
[05:19] <MTecknology> In my init script - I have a little thing in there that makes sure nobody accidentally stops something for every user - but that catches when the system shuts down. Is there any way to see if the system is shutting down from inside of the script?
[06:18] <Roxyhart0> hi there, i need to buy a external HDD of 2TB and munt in my server. Somebody know if ubuntu lucid can mount ok a usb HDD (external) od 2TB?
[06:18] <smoser> Roxyhart0, almost certainly.
[06:19] <Roxyhart0> thanks :) hopefully as im going to buy 4 of them
[06:48] <mase_wk> Roxyhart0: yes it's fine
[06:48] <mase_wk> Roxyhart0: with ext4 i think you can go up to an exabyte
[06:49] <Roxyhart0> great ! thanks :)
[07:54] <qman__> ext3 can handle up to 8TB with a 4k block size
[08:54] <kinygos> hi all, when i powered up my development server this morning (ubuntu 10.04), i was greeted with a bunch of messages from /usr/lib/update-notifier....can anyone suggest how i can investigate what has happened?
[08:55] <twb> kinygos: what messages?
[08:55] <mase_wk> kinygos: dmesg or /var/log/messages ?
[08:56] <kinygos> there were 3 pairs, /update-motd-cpu-checker: not found, /update-motd-updates-available: not found, and /update-motd-reboot-required: not found
[08:56] <kinygos> (those paths are from /usr/lib/update-notifier...sorry)
[09:01] <huats> morning
[09:01] <kinygos> ok...dmesg and /var/log/messages show nothing serious, so i don't understand why update-motd would've suddenly broken...has anyone seen anything like this?
[10:42] <Iceman_B> Patrickdk: can you repeat again what you said about wide symlinks? approx 7 hours ago, please?
[10:44] <Jeeves_> 03:38 < Patrickdk> Iceman_B, over smb?
[10:44] <Jeeves_> 03:39 < Patrickdk> ya, samba attempts to not allow that, unless you enable wide symlinks
[10:44] <Jeeves_> 03:39 < Patrickdk> and in order to enable that, you have to disable unix extentions or something, that ubuntu uses by default
[10:45] <Iceman_B> yes that, thanks
[10:45] <Iceman_B> anyone have a clue is accessing hard links DOES work in Samba?
[10:45] <Iceman_B> I mean, on a default ubuntu system
[10:49] <twb> I believe samba supports hard links
[10:51] <twb> It should be easy to check
[10:54] <Iceman_B> twb: I get : Invalid cross-device link
[10:54] <twb> Hum
[10:55] <twb> Check with #samba, I guess.  I don't know any more.
[10:58] <Iceman_B> okay
[10:58] <Jeeves_> Ehm
[10:58] <Jeeves_> hardlinks need to be in the same filesystem
[10:58] <Iceman_B> Jeeves_: I didnt know that, still kinda new here
[10:59] <Iceman_B> the files im trying to link to were created on another ubuntu system, and are physically on another drive, which is mounted in ~/mountdir/
[11:00] <derknecht> i installed ubuntu 10.04 on a sata hotplug pc in ahci mode. i have no expirence with sata hotplug and try to trigger some scripts when a harddisc is added/removed. Can someone give me a hint please? I have found no wiki or howto covering this topic. Thanks
[11:00] <Jeeves_> Iceman_B: Than you should create symlinks
[11:00] <Jeeves_> ln -s
[11:00] <Iceman_B> already spent 3 hours trying that last night, that doesnt work by default
[11:00] <Jeeves_> Those can be cross-filesystem
[11:00] <Iceman_B> hence my first question
[11:01] <Iceman_B> I mean, it doesnt with by default in samba, running on Ubuntu
[11:01] <Jeeves_> Iceman_B: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=352016
[11:03] <Iceman_B> thanks, I'll look into that
[11:06] <sergevn> does anyone has Darwin Calendar server working on lucid? :)
[11:16] <Iceman_B> speaking of links, how do I remove all symlinks from a dir and leave all other files intact?
[11:20] <Jeeves_> Iceman_B: find . -type l --delete (or something like that)
[11:20] <Jeeves_> Iceman_B: 'man find' is your best option :)
[11:34] <derknecht> how can i realise sata hotplug with hardware supporting it and mode set to ahci please? via scsiadd? hotplug-utils? which way to go?
[11:41] <jetole> I feel stupid for having to ask this, but where is the domain name for a system stored?
[11:42] <alvin> jetole: in /etc/hosts
[11:43] <alvin> There is also a 'domainname' command to read/set a domainname
[11:49] <jetole> alvin: yeah I tried adding it to /etc/hosts because I thought thats where it should be. There was the line "127.0.0.1 firewall" which I changed to "127.0.0.1 firewall firewall.office" and then ran hostname --fqdn and it still just said firewall
[11:50] <jetole> got it
[11:50] <jetole> had to do hostname.domainname then hostname in /etc/hosts
[11:50] <jetole> thanks for the help alvin
[11:50] <jetole> Also, does anyone know how to install the sun jre on server 10.04
[11:51] <alvin> jetole: Yes, but you can leave the 127.0.0.1 and add another line with those values (hostname.domainname) and the real IP of the server.
[11:51] <alvin> jetole: I haven't done it, but I hear it's in the partner repositories
[11:52] <jetole> alvin: yeah I compared it to another server which was displaying the domain name in host --fqdn and it was "127.0.0.1 hostname.domain hostname" once I switched them to that order in /etc/hosts then hostname --fqdn showed the domain name
[11:52]  * jetole looks at /etc/apt/sources.conf
[11:52]  * jetole looks at /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:53] <jetole> yep. I enabled the partners repo, did an apt-get update and now it's installing sun-java6-jre where before it told me that it's only referenced by other packages
[11:53] <jetole> thanks again alvin
[11:53] <alvin> np
[12:37] <ttx> Daviey: what the status on Eucalyptus ?
[12:38] <Daviey> ttx: Well the topology issue is looking good...
[12:38] <Daviey> ttx: The Volume issue, is better than it was - creating them now works.. There *may* be an issue attaching them
[12:39] <ttx> Daviey: ok
[12:39] <Daviey> Did one more upload after you went last night.. am preparing another, but want to sync with euca to see if they are planning anything new today
[12:56] <jahil> hi everyone
[12:56] <jahil> how to capture sound youtube audio with snd-dummy interface
[13:34] <hallyn> ttx: current papercuts are supposed to be chosen from https://launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+milestone/maverick-beta  right?
[13:36] <hallyn> ttx: I notice for instance that the pgadmin3 one "seems" owned by SpamapS, and ssl passphrase one is owned (for apache2) by zul.
[13:36] <hallyn> So I'm not clear on whether to take those or not
[13:38] <_bt> hey who kick me from #ubuntu-virt
[13:38] <ttx> hallyn: looking
[13:39] <ttx> hallyn: that's the right list -- maybe coordinate with them and see if they want those bugs or if you can take them ?
[13:40] <hallyn> ttx: ok, thanks
[13:40] <hallyn> SpamapS: you already own 2 papercuts, would you want help with bug 610975, or do you want to take that one too?
[13:41] <hallyn> zul: bug 582963, I assume you'd like to be assigned that one for the papercuts target (since you own it for apache2)?
[13:41] <zul> hallyn: sure
[13:42] <zul> that might not exactly be a papercut though
[13:52] <robertpayne> hello all
[13:54] <rapha> Hi guys
[13:55] <rapha> Is there a way to change user and/or group ownership by default? kind of like uname?
[14:02] <SpamapS> hallyn: 610975 is a noop rebuild...
[14:04] <SpamapS> hallyn: so the only thing needed for it is to wait to see what wxwidgets2.8's fate is
[14:04] <hggdh> mornings
[14:05] <SpamapS> hallyn: so the only "fix" is to just bump the version and re-upload.
[14:07] <ttx> smoser: what should we do about "ubuntu-on-ec2" on LP ? People continue to file bugs against it, but they are kinda lost: bug 608958
[14:08] <smoser> hm..
[14:09] <smoser> i dont know. there is only the one bug.
[14:15] <ttx> smoser: should we just remove the project, or leave it as a placeholder that redirects to Ubuntu ?
[14:15] <smoser> i'd be in favor of the placeholder
[14:15] <smoser> i have code there
[14:15] <smoser> (which obviously could be moved also, but the "automated-ec2-builds" and "ec2-publishing-scripts" seem reasonably well to fit under such a project)
[14:16] <alvin> rapha: in what application?
[14:16] <ttx> hm, we could also disable bugs for that project.
[14:19] <smoser> can i do that for all my projects ?
[14:19] <smoser> :)
[14:19] <rapha> alvin: well, bash
[14:19] <smoser> where do i put the "disable bugs" setting for my OS ?
[14:23] <alvin> You can force the group for a directory by using chmod g+s <dirname>
[14:34] <rapha> alvin: according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setuid, that is ignored under linux
[14:35] <zash> rapha: I'm quite sure it's not
[14:35] <zash> read under setuid and setgid on directories
[14:36] <alvin> rapha: yes, it's setUid that is ignored, not setGid.
[14:37] <zash> alvin: setuid on dirs?
[14:38] <zash> ah
[14:38] <hggdh> Daviey: good morning, and any news from euca?
[14:38] <alvin> No, I was referring to the article. My first thought was "Wikipedia is wrong", but it's not. All is well again. setgid works as it always did.
[14:39] <rapha> ah okay
[14:42] <Daviey> hggdh: none yet :(
[14:42] <hggdh> ah well
[14:43] <Daviey> ... and there telephones seem busted.
[14:44] <Daviey> Hmm.. it is 6:44am.. so i doubt i'd get anyone anyway :)
[14:45] <soren> jdstrand: Any plans on a libvirt update for Maverick?
[14:45] <jdstrand> jeez
[14:45] <jdstrand> no offense but 3 people have asked about it :)
[14:45] <jdstrand> I am doing it as we speak :)
[14:46] <soren> Whoo!
[14:46]  * soren hugs jdstrand 
[14:46]  * jdstrand hugs soren back
[14:46] <soren> 0.8.3?
[14:46] <jdstrand> yes
[14:46] <soren> Wicked.
[14:46] <soren> I have a couple of extra patches for it, but I'll just roll a new upload once you're done.
[14:47] <jdstrand> I hope to have it uploaded today
[14:47] <jdstrand> I have a preliminary package and am testing it, but as usually goes with libvirt, that is about 8 hours of work ;)
[14:47] <jdstrand> s/8/8 more/
[14:47] <Daviey> jdstrand: FWIW we haven't colluded to pounce on you.. We've all wondered for different reasons :)
[14:48] <soren> *wink*
[14:48] <jdstrand> heh
[14:48]  * Daviey *winks* back at soren
[14:48] <soren> Daviey: He'll never know.
[14:48] <Daviey>  /msg zul Remember your turn to ask jdstrand next, as we discussed :).
[14:48] <Daviey> *oops* :P
[14:48] <soren> *chuckle*
[14:50] <zul> how did i get dragged into this? :)
[14:50] <Jinxed-> anyone know how to install the mjpg_streamer command for ubuntu 10.04
[14:50] <jdstrand> ok, I updated the bp, so now I'll just respong with "consult the bp"
[14:51] <jdstrand> *respond*
[15:05] <shauno> does JeOS still exist?  I can only find images for Hardy
[15:07] <ttx> zul: you always get dragged in crappy plans.
[15:26] <YankDownUnder> Anyone using conky or similar for a console monitor?
[15:34] <Kaelten> Does anyone have a fully functioning preseed or kickstart files they'd be willing to share?
[15:36] <zul> Kaelten: the iso teting iso.qa.ubuntu.com uses one. you might want to check there
[15:39] <Kaelten> zul: I don't see a link to either types of configs
[15:45] <YankDownUnder> Kaelten, What is it exactly that you're wanting to do, mate?
[15:45] <Kaelten> YankDownUnder: I have 20-30 servers to deploy, so I'm wanting to automate things a bit
[15:45] <YankDownUnder> Kaelten, Roger that - gotcha mate.
[15:46] <Kaelten> I have a simple working pxe netinstall up, but I still have to answer a bunch of questions.  I'd love it if I could just have it ask me for hostname and ip address to setup on and auto on the rest
[15:47] <YankDownUnder> Kaelten, Does this help in the least: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/installation-guide/powerpc/automatic-install.html
[15:47] <Kaelten> it  may fill in some of the blanks
[15:48] <YankDownUnder> I always like to refer to some of the older dox cuz some of the newer ones, well, have blanks. Coolbeans.
[15:49] <YankDownUnder> Kaelten, Just as a side note: http://studio.debian.net/ => a new way to spin yer own - the Debian way - so it ain't SuSE
[15:50] <Kaelten> just found this too (http://searchsystemschannel.techtarget.com/generic/0,295582,sid99_gci1377934,00.html) which looks to be filling in some of the other blanks
[15:50] <Kaelten> neat site
[15:51] <YankDownUnder> whoa...this I like...this I like...I'll have to read this later, but - cuz it's late, I'm tired, and well, I'm tired. Cheers! Ta for that!
[16:16] <shauno> what's the easiest way to obtain a 'minimal' install?
[16:18] <pmatulis> shauno: the server iso should give you the option
[16:20] <shauno> pmatulis, am I missing something? I only see options for server (750Mb-ish) and UEC
[16:20] <shauno> ah, nm, it's under Modes
[16:20] <pmatulis> shauno: there are some keys down below
[16:54] <joewilliams> asked this a couple days ago in #ubuntu-kernel but didnt get far, i installed linux-crashdump on a couple (10.04) servers but it doesnt seem to be collecting the core and rebooting. i have to manually reboot the machines. i tested it in a vmware image and it worked fine. any ideas?
[18:09] <seicherlbob> hi there! I just intalled the new Lucid server and i need a short crashcourse in network-bridging because i'd like to set up a virtual webserver. So long i only used virtualbox on my desktop. my question: I already have the interface virbr0. Now is this the virtual interface to connect a virtual server to or what is it?
[18:17] <sherr> seicherlbob: Not sure what virbr0 is - I think it might be the KVM private network. You will probably want a new bridge (e.g. br0) and then put eth0 into it.
[18:17] <sherr> My /etc/network/interfaces and "brctl show" output is here : http://pastebin.com/wcHyhMeS
[18:18] <seicherlbob> why is eth0 set to manual?
[18:18] <sherr> The bridge network interface is passed to KVM as br0.
[18:19] <seicherlbob> so br0 is the hosts interface to the guest(s)?
[18:19] <sherr> Not sure - this is the way that worked and what I read works. Life is short - see the man page ...
[18:20] <seicherlbob> grml... i'd like to understand these things. thats the point.
[18:20] <sherr> The guests have real IP addresses as normal machines on our nwtrowk.
[18:20] <sherr> The guests have "eth0" (etc.) inside them, but use the brodge on the host.
[18:20] <seicherlbob> and whats eth0s ip then?
[18:21] <sherr> The guest can use DHCP or static IP - whatever.
[18:22] <sherr> On the host - br0 has the IP address.
[18:22] <sherr> In a guest, eth0 is just a "normal" net device. Set to get IP from DHCP 9say).
[18:23] <sherr> "manual" method : This method may be used to define interfaces for which no configuration is done by default.
[18:24] <seicherlbob> ok, thanks so far. I'll just give it a try. there is nothing to loose for now.
[18:24] <sherr> Good luck. It's not hard (the basic stuff anyway).
[18:28] <seicherlbob> ok, so the host gets the address defined in br0. now when i try to start a kvm with ubuntu-kvm-builder, nothing happens.
[18:36] <ruben23> hi guys i have installed ubntu server and all are working Ethernet card is working but when i update and upgrade
[18:36] <ruben23> my etherenet card disappear- i tried lspci, but no etherenet present.
[18:40] <ruben23> any idea guys..?
[18:43] <patdk-wk> ruben, hardware failure?
[18:43] <ruben23> patdk-wk: but its working with base install not update and upgraade
[18:43] <patdk-wk> e1000e?
[18:44] <giovani> ruben23: you retested it after it stopped showing up with a NEW base install?
[18:44] <giovani> and it worked?
[18:44] <giovani> or you're just presuming that it will work again with a base install
[18:46] <kelt> hi, I noticed that ubuntu server hsa the option of installing for a cloud
[18:47] <kelt> does this "cloud" software enable usage statisics for billing?
[18:50] <smoser> kelt, no. UEC does not have any billing infrastructure at the moment.
[18:52] <kelt> oh, okay... I thought that was the definition of a cloud... lol
[18:52] <kelt> how do you do SaaS then?
[18:53] <kelt> is it a free for all or something?
[18:56] <seicherlbob> ok, i managed to start the installation of a virtual server with kvm and vncviewer ;) - now i dont get DHCP through. any suggestions? I started with the following parameters: -net nic,macaddr=00:16:3e:02:00:01,model=virtio -net tap,ifname=tap02,script=no
[18:56] <kelt> how does this stand up to like vmware or CA products?
[18:59] <ruben23> giovani:im installing based now
[19:01] <kelt> hmm... so this is just ubuntu server with eucalyptus pre-installed and some helper scripts?
[19:02] <smoser> kelt, yes. "just" that.
[19:06] <kelt> smoser: lol... is there a product you can apt-get or install to tie into ubuntu cloud servers for billing?
[19:07] <smoser> no. it can be managed via landscape, but i do not believe that that provides billing (airly sure about that).
[19:07] <smoser> billing is something that is a feature on eucalyptus's road map.
[19:07] <kelt> so landscape keeps up with usage stats?
[19:08] <kelt> does it have soap/rest available for extensability?
[19:09] <smoser> what is "it" ?
[19:09] <kelt> smoser: the cloud
[19:09] <kelt> if I wanted to extract usage from the cloud
[19:09] <kelt> so I can write my own custom billing
[19:10] <hallyn> SpamapS: ok, thx, that was what i'd assumed.
[19:11] <smoser> the cloud provides ec2 api interface
[19:11] <smoser> which does not pvide you with usage information.
[19:12] <kelt> hmm, well we want other departments inside network to be able to checkout resources from a private cloud and charge them accordingly...
[19:13] <smoser> kelt, yeah, i follow what you'd be after, and I think lots of people are interested in that.
[19:15] <kelt> smoser: people aren't just interested... they are *doing* it now :)
[19:15] <kelt> smoser: do you know if the cloud does more than just IP ranges? can you do mac or are you stuck at IP?
[19:16] <smoser> i dont know that i follow what "do mac" would mean.
[19:16] <smoser> but from a interface perspective, all you have is ec2 elastic ips
[19:17] <kelt> smoser: the cloud controls a range of IP addresses
[19:18] <smoser> yes.
[19:19] <kelt> well, I'm disappointed :(
[19:20] <kelt> how long do you think it will be before the billing measures will be present?
[19:21] <smoser> i really don't know the eucalyptus plans for that feature.
[19:21] <smoser> you could certainly ask
[19:22] <smoser> on eucalyptus forums or mailing list
[19:22] <smoser> i'd be interested in seeing a response
[19:22] <smoser> it is also possible that they even offer it as an add on, i'm not sure
[19:30] <ruben23> gys any help setting up an FTP server for my ubuntu..
[19:30] <RoyK> ruben23: vsftpd is quite simple
[19:30] <RoyK> and quite good, it's probably the most used ftp server on the net
[19:31] <ruben23> im using pure-ftp and it did not worked out
[19:31] <ruben23> so ill used vsftpd i gues
[19:32] <RoyK> vsftpd is probably the best for most things
[19:34] <tarvid> Aug 12 08:57:18 helen kernel: [77401.300041] INFO: task kjournald:385 blocked for more than 120 seconds. Aug 12 08:57:18 helen kernel: [77401.300236] INFO: task python:1371 blocked for more than 120 seconds. Aug 12 09:01:17 helen kernel: [77641.300040] INFO: task kjournald:385 blocked for more than 120 seconds. Aug 12 09:01:17 helen kernel: [77641.300233] INFO: task python:1369 blocked for more than 120 seconds. Aug 12 09:01:17 helen kernel: [77641.3
[19:34] <tarvid> 00379] INFO: task python:1371 blocked for more than 120 seconds. Aug 12 09:07:17 helen kernel: [78001.300042] INFO: task kjournald:385 blocked for more than 120 seconds. Aug 12 09:09:20 helen kernel: [78121.300041] INFO: task kjournald:385 blocked for more than 120 seconds. Aug 12 09:11:17 helen kernel: [78241.290035] INFO: task kswapd0:47 blocked for more than 120 seconds. Aug 12 09:11:17 helen kernel: [78241.290309] INFO: task kjournald:385 blocked
[19:34] <tarvid>  for more than 120 seconds. Aug 12 09:11:17 helen kernel: [78241.290469] INFO: task mysqld:1193 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
[19:34] <tarvid> ooops
[19:35] <tarvid> meant to paste just one
[19:35] <tarvid> server was in a bad state when that happens
[19:35] <tarvid> but there are many posts at Google
[19:35] <tarvid> any ideas?
[19:40] <qman__> out of CPU, out of memory, out of disk, or a nasty kernel bug
[19:40] <ebroder> My money's on the second
[19:41] <qman__> mine as well
[19:42] <bogeyd6> Anyone can recommend software to manage several linux san boxes?
[19:43] <tarvid> 4GB memory 10GB swap swappiness = 0
[19:44] <alvin> tarvid: bug 494476
[19:44] <tarvid> apache had default maxclients setting - 150, reduced to 50
[19:44] <alvin> Happens if you use LV snapshots or cause other heavy disk I/O. Server becomes unresponsive, can crash, or you'll not longer be able to log in.
[19:44] <tarvid> installed modevasive
[19:45] <tarvid> alvin - thanks - you're right
[19:45] <alvin> LVM snapshots?
[19:45] <patdk-wk> heh, I can't remember the last time I had that happen to me
[19:45] <patdk-wk> used to happen all the time
[19:45] <tarvid> no vanilla
[19:45] <alvin> I can. two days ago, last week,... happens a lot
[19:45] <patdk-wk> I think my issues was all nfs, and moving from 2.4.x to 2.6.x fixed it all up
[19:45] <tarvid> modsecurity is beating the logs
[19:45] <alvin> Hmm, I'm a heavy NFS user
[19:46] <alvin> yeah, I had rsyslog hang on one occasion. The not logging in part is irritating
[19:46] <alvin> Some users report noop as I/O scheduler to be a solution
[19:48] <tarvid> not using LV . Logging is probably the heaviest IO but am running a bunch of Drupal sites so there are other demands.
[19:50] <tarvid> https://www.bijk.com/p/2199b5ea
[19:50] <tarvid> may provide a little insight
[19:51] <tarvid> Is that a syn flood in the bottom graph?
[19:52] <qman__> looks like
[19:52] <qman__> if it were legitimate, the established connections would grow with it
[19:54] <qman__> might not be malicious, might just be something like a web crawler, and your server turning it down
[19:56] <tarvid> I do block a few in IPTABLES
[19:56] <shsek> Hey, I'm getting "ALERT! /dev/mapper/foobar-root does not exists" error on boot (after messing up some stuff with initramfs-tools), but I can access my filesystem via the rescue mode of the Ubuntu Server CD. I think its because initramfs doesn't load the LVM2 module properly. How do I tell initramfs to load this module?
[19:57] <shsek> I did a stupid mistake and removed initfsram-tools, which caused lots of issues, but most of them are fixed by now. I'm pretty sure the issue right now is LVM not being loaded
[19:58] <qman__> shsek, have you run update-grub since fixing your other problems?
[19:58] <qman__> that'll regenerate your initramfs
[19:58] <alvin> shsek: Are you using a mirror?
[19:59] <shsek> qman__, yes, and I also ran update-initramfs -uv
[19:59] <shsek> alvin, a mirror?
[19:59] <alvin> raid1
[20:00] <shsek> I'm not quite sure. I have a bash chrooted to
[20:00] <shsek> I'm not quite sure. I have a bash chrooted to to my machine from rescure mode, how can I check it?
[20:00] <alvin> cat /proc/mdadm
[20:00] <alvin> If the file does not exis, you're not using mdadm
[20:01] <alvin> If you have one, you should probably know, so that's not the cause of your problem.
[20:03] <shsek> alvin, it doesn't
[20:03] <alvin> shsek: What ubuntu version is that?
[20:03] <shsek> 9.10, the server version
[20:04] <alvin> Ah, ok. I've had mayor troubles with that version. Couldn't find root on several servers.
[20:04] <alvin> It's better in 10.04
[20:04] <alvin> See bug 360378
[20:05] <shsek> my root filesystem is mountable from both the rescue mode and from a live-cd after installing lvm2, running vgchange -ay and mounting /dev/mapper/kelso-root
[20:05] <ewook> alvin: I had the same problem.
[20:05] <ewook> nasty one that.
[20:05] <shsek> but in the BusyBox initramfs is giving me (after failing with "/dev/mapper/kelsor-root does not exists") I don't seem to have "lvm", "lvm2" or "vgchange"
[20:05] <shsek> from what I read, I should have it there
[20:06] <shsek> it was all caused by me being stupied, I removed (via apt-get) initramfs-tools, which deleted a bunch of other stuff
[20:06] <shsek> I reinstalled grub and my kernel since
[20:06] <shsek> well, not me, someone from ##ubuntu helped me with it
[20:07] <shsek> but currently it seems like it all works, other than LVM not loading well for initramfs
[20:07] <alvin> I'v always had that problem on karmic. I just rebooted the servers a few times until the root device was found.
[20:07] <alvin> grub2 has difficulties with lvm
[20:08] <shsek> I've looked around and saw that people can usually use vgscan/vgchange manually from BusyBox, fix what's needed and than run it normally - but I don't seem to have those commands there at all (I do have them from the live cd, and I am able to mount in that way from there)
[20:09] <shsek> hmm, I used to have grub-legacy that was updated (but the one from ##ubuntu that helped me) to grub2
[20:09] <alvin> Those difficulties will be fixes in maverick. Maybe there'll be backports. Booting Ubuntu is a wonderful experience. Blazingly fast, beautiful background, but hit-and-miss. btw, is the lvm2 package installed?
[20:09] <shsek> could reverying to grub-legacy do any good ?
[20:09] <shsek> yes, lvm2 is installed
[20:09] <alvin> shsek: Couldn't hurt to try. I think you have a chance there. It could be grub, or it could be mountall.
[20:10] <shsek> where would I look for logs and more information in cases like those?
[20:10] <qman__> I've been having a rough time with lucid in general, which is why I'm keeping karmic on my desktop
[20:10] <qman__> it runs great and I'm not messing with it
[20:10] <shsek> obviously I won't find it in /var/log/messages or syslog, as the filesystem isn't getting mounted at all
[20:11] <alvin> shsek: Karmic doesn't have logs. Lucid has /var/log/boot.log, but on the whole it's not very usefull. Try removing quiet and splash from /etc/default/grub and run update-grub
[20:12] <alvin> boot logging is on the todo list
[20:12] <shsek> alvin, well, I wouldn't have any logs at all, it can't mount my filesystem, how can it save anything to it?
[20:12] <alvin> Oh, did you try rootdelay?
[20:12] <alvin> shsek: That's only logic :-)
[20:13] <shsek> alvin, I read about it, but before I'm getting that error I'm waiting for quite a long time (5 minutes) before I get the error
[20:13] <shsek> so I assumed it isn't what causing it
[20:13] <shsek> but at this point I'll try anything
[20:14] <shsek> alvin, I should set GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT to an empty string ?
[20:14] <alvin> Did you try rebooting a few times? That used to be my workaround.
[20:14] <alvin> yes, or add rootdelay=50 for example
[20:14] <alvin> then update-grub
[20:14] <shsek> I've rebooted for quite a few time
[20:15] <shsek> hmm, so just add rootdelay and keep quiet and splash?
[20:15] <alvin> How is your root drive listed in /etc/fstab?
[20:15] <qman__> no, remove quiet and splash
[20:15] <alvin> no, remove quiet and splash
[20:15] <shsek> heh
[20:15] <qman__> that's something I do on every server anyway
[20:15] <qman__> it really should not be the defaults
[20:16] <alvin> Agreed
[20:16] <shsek> what does it mean ?
[20:16] <qman__> quiet splash hides all the important messages
[20:16] <alvin> It means: 'hade all scary information from me'
[20:16] <qman__> for a "pretty" but un-troubleshoot-able experience
[20:17] <shsek> alvin, its listed by the UUID, but the comments says it was /dev/mapper/kelso-root during installation
[20:17] <alvin> Change it back to /dev/mapper/kelso-root
[20:18] <shsek> Sorry, I clicked some weird keyboard shortcut that closed the window
[20:18] <alvin> shsek: Might be this bug 563117
[20:18] <shsek> okay, so I removed quiet and splash, added rootdelay=50, ran update-grub and changed it from UUID to /dev/mapper/kelso-root
[20:18] <shsek> should I reboot it now or there's something else I could do/check from rescue mode ?
[20:21] <alvin> reboot and report back. I'm thinking about checking UUID somewhere, but can't find it
[20:21] <shsek> alvin?
[20:21] <shsek> okay
[20:23] <shsek> "ALERT! /dev/mapper/kelso-root does not exists. Dropping to a shell!"
[20:23] <shsek> same as before
[20:25] <shsek> hmm, from what I read around the internet, on that shell initramfs is dropping me into I should be able to use the 'lvm' command, yet, I can't
[20:25] <shsek> doesn't it mean it doesn't get loaded?
[20:26] <cn1109> hello. I'm unable to view my php pages. I have apache2 and php installed and at first I was able to view php pages just fine. Now I'm unable. Tried removing, restarting the server, installing php again. No luck
[20:26] <shsek> cn1109, define "unable to view"?
[20:27] <shsek> you get the source and they aren't processed? you get an error from apache? it doesn't connect to apache? blank pages?
[20:32] <shsek> alvin, hmm, my chanegs doesn't seem to effected grub, in dmesg I see "Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz.2.6.31-22-server root=/dev/mapper/kelso-root ro quite splash"
[20:32] <shsek> s/quite/quiet
[20:32] <alvin> Hmmm. Did you ran update-grub?
[20:32] <qman__> do you have a separate /boot partition?
[20:32] <alvin> Yes, you did
[20:32] <shsek> qman__, yes, I do
[20:33] <shsek> /dev/sda5
[20:33] <shsek> IIRC
[20:33] <qman__> make sure it's mounted in your chroot when you run update-grub
[20:33] <shsek> okay, I'm rebooting back into rescue mode to do it
[20:33] <alvin> shsek: Also make sure your karmic is up-to-date. There was a bug with separate /boot
[20:34] <shsek> alvin, just apt-get update+upgrade ?
[20:34] <alvin> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade is what I do
[20:35] <cn1109> shsek: Just a blank page. No errors on the error log for apache
[20:36] <cn1109> cn1109: Removed php5 and installed it again. restarted the server. no luck
[20:36] <shsek> cn1109, can you access static files?
[20:36] <cn1109> shsek: Removed php5 and installed it again. restarted the server. no luck :) Sorry.
[20:36] <cn1109> shsek: Yes I can
[20:36] <shsek> alvin, nothing to upgrade, it just wants to remove libntgs-3g54
[20:38] <shsek> qman__, alvin, okay, I mounted /boot and ran update-grub - it seems okay now, it wrote "Found linux image" and "Found initrd image" which it didn't before
[20:38] <alvin> Well, I'm out of options. You should check if the UUID from $ sudo blkid is the same as the one grub uses, and redo the update-grub if it still lists quiet and splash. Other than that, I'm out of options. I muast say that I never booted Jaunty/Karmic reliably. The situation in Lucid still has bugs, but is a log better
[20:38] <alvin> ah
[20:38] <alvin> reboot :-)
[20:38] <qman__> that would definitely break things
[20:38] <shsek> cn1109, are you sure php files aren't being served without being processed? check the source of your page, it might seems blank but there's acutally PHP code there
[20:39] <qman__> cn1109, also try creating a .php file containing only html, and a .php file with only <?php phpinfo(); ?> in it
[20:39] <cn1109> shsek: Source of the generated page is blank.
[20:40] <qman__> if neither works it's most likely a problem with apache, if the first works and the second doesn't it's more likely a problem with php configuration
[20:40] <cn1109> qman__: even with plain html code I get the same issue
[20:41] <shsek> cn1109, can you check the status code returned by Apache? you have Firebug installed maybe? if you look in the Net tab you can see it.
[20:41] <shsek> alvin, where can I see the UUID grub is using?
[20:42] <qman__> cn1109, what method did you use to install php?
[20:42] <shsek> oh, you said to reboot, never mind that
[20:43] <cn1109> qman__: apt-get install php5
[20:43] <shsek> okay, it is more verboose now
[20:43] <shsek> Begin: Waiting for root file system...
[20:43] <cn1109> shsek: Firebug returns nothing at all. Even with chromes dev tools. nothing
[20:43] <shsek> I still get the same error afterwards
[20:45] <shsek> cn1109, this... makes no sense. Are you looking in the Net tab? you don't see the request there?
[20:45] <shsek> you need to refresh after activating the new tab
[20:45] <shsek> * net
[20:46] <shsek> qman__, alvin, in order for it to mount from /dev/mapper/, what modules should be loaded?
[20:46] <shsek> all I have in /proc/modules is floppy, sis900 and mii - is that normal?
[20:46] <cn1109> okay. I get 500 Internal Server Error
[20:46] <shsek> cn1109, and you're sure there's nothing in apache's error log?
[20:47] <cn1109> shsek: It seems that while someone HERE is trying to resolve the problem. The file owner changes to their username. It only works if the file owner is set to root
[20:47] <shsek> its odd you're getting a 500 error and a lank page
[20:48] <shsek> * blank
[20:48] <shsek> cn1109, it only works if the php file owner is root ?
[20:49] <cn1109> shsek: I thought so. Not sure now. One sec and I'll make sure
[20:50] <alvin> shsek: grub2 needs to have the lvm2 (or is it called lvm?) module loaded.
[20:51] <alvin> But I'm really out of options here. I struggled with this until Lucid was released. Booting karmic has always been broken in my use cases. (root on lvm)
[20:52] <shsek> alvin, and how do I tell it to load lvm?
[20:52] <alvin> Well, you have to go into the grub shell during boot
[20:52] <alvin> so, that's before it starts searching for root
[20:52] <alvin> (ram shift until grub appears)
[20:53] <pwnguin> i wish we had a better merge strategy for etc files
[20:53] <alvin> Then I forgot. There's a grub2 livecd/rescue thing project with good documentation.
[20:53] <cn1109> shsek: Here's the error http://pastie.org/1089029
[20:54] <pwnguin> cuz merging this php5 conf file is crazy
[20:54] <shsek> cn1109, ps aux | grep apache - what user is running it?
[20:54] <alvin> shsek: Check /boot/grub/grub.cfg. See if the UUID is correct
[20:54] <shsek> cn1109, assuming its www-data, which is the default, run chown -R www-data /var/www/
[20:54] <shsek> alvin, from rescue?
[20:55] <alvin> anywhere
[20:55] <shsek> I don't seem to have it from busybox
[20:55] <shsek> oh, wait, I could probably mount it
[20:56] <shsek> alvin, it uses /dev/mapper/kelso-root as far as I can tell
[20:57] <alvin> I think that's good
[20:57] <shsek> alvin, I don't quite understand - if grub isn't loading the LVM2 module, isn't this a simple matter of telling it to load it?
[20:57] <alvin> shsek: I'm not sure it's not loading it. You can do it manually from the grub shell if you want to be sure. (grub shell, not busybox)
[20:58] <cn1109> okay. Sounds bad but it's a fix. I added the user who creates the files to www-data group
[20:58] <shsek> alvin, how do I get to the grub shell than ?
[20:58] <alvin> ram shift until the grub menu appears at boot
[20:59] <alvin> There's an option there
[20:59] <shsek> ram shift?
[20:59] <alvin> hit the shift button :-) I never succeed on the first try
[21:00] <alvin> reboot, and hit shift until the menu appears
[21:00] <shsek> hmm, it got to "beging: waiting for root file system"
[21:01] <alvin> You have to hit shift at the right moment. It's before the error message, just after your BIOS messages
[21:01] <shsek> there we go
[21:01] <alvin> (You can also disable the hidden menu in /etc/default/grub)
[21:02] <shsek> hmm, its grub 1.97~beta4
[21:02] <shsek> that isn't good, is it?
[21:02] <alvin> I suppose so. I have 1.98 on Lucid
[21:03] <shsek> oh, I thought 2 is out
[21:03] <alvin> (Yes, it's beta software)
[21:03] <shsek> why is it called grub2 if its grub 1.97?
[21:03] <alvin> no, it's called grub2, but it's still in beta
[21:03] <alvin> because it's actually 'almost 2'
[21:04] <shsek> okay
[21:04] <alvin> Your troubles are proof of the beta status.
[21:04] <shsek> so I got into grub command line, what should I do now ?
[21:04] <alvin> insmod lvm
[21:04] <seicherlbob> can someone help me out with kvm? its running and i get vnc control, but i get no network connection in or outbound. I have br0 configured to bridge eth0, but all i get on outbound ping from the guest is: martian source $hostIP from $guestIP, on dev tap01
[21:05] <shsek> my troubles are proof of me being very foolish abd removing initramfs-tools :-)
[21:05] <alvin> shsek: I think you have set that error right
[21:05] <shsek> alvin, okay, I loaded lvm, how can I tell it to continue?
[21:06] <alvin> I'm looking at some docs:
[21:06] <alvin> set root=(lvm_group_name-lvm_logical_boot_partition_name)
[21:07] <shsek> so set root=kelso-root ?
[21:07] <shsek> kelso being the machine name
[21:07] <shsek> its usually located at /dev/mapper/kelso-root
[21:07] <alvin> /dev/mapper/kelso-root
[21:08] <shsek> okay, so set root to the full path to it?
[21:08] <shsek> what's next? how can I tell it to continue?
[21:09] <alvin> I don't know actually. Can't remember. Try boot?
[21:09] <shsek> I ran 'insmod lvm' and 'set root=/dev/mapper/kelso-root', should I now tell it to go agead and boot?
[21:09] <alvin> bug 385428
[21:09] <shsek> error: no loaded kernel (after 'boot')
[21:09] <alvin> bah
[21:10] <alvin> ah, initrd
[21:10] <shsek> error: no module specified
[21:10] <alvin> linux /vmlinuz26 root=/dev/mapper/VolumeGroup-root ro
[21:10] <alvin> initrd /kernel26.img
[21:11] <alvin> Then boot. Maybe insmod ext2 (or ext4?)
[21:11] <alvin> The bug says to use grub-mkdevicemap, then update-grub (in rescue mode)
[21:13] <shsek> hmm, error: no such disk
[21:13] <shsek> for 'linux /vmlinuz26 root=/dev/mapper/kelso-root'
[21:15] <shsek> alvin, maybe its not vmlinuz26
[21:15] <shsek> s/$/?
[21:21] <shsek> alvin, ?
[21:22]  * shsek making coffee, brb
[21:31]  * shsek has no idea what fixed it, but it seems to work now!
[21:38] <tucemiux> anyone knows how to force ubuntu to get a new IP?
[21:38] <tucemiux> im using tomato
[21:40] <tucemiux> forget it,i found it
[21:45] <shsek> alvin, qman__, thanks a lot for your help!
[21:52] <bcomp> does anyone know a good video steaming server?
[21:53] <bcomp> preferably with a classy php interface
[21:59] <bcomp> ...
[22:25] <sponzor> i did i fresh install. raid1 and it wont boot. it sas init: ureadahead-other main process (780) and (805) terminated with status 4
[22:25] <sponzor> what should that mean?
[22:31] <bcomp> does anyone know a good video streaming server?
[22:32] <raubvogel> During a new server install, how can I tell it to use a different package source (my internal one in this case)?
[22:33] <bcomp> in the bios?
[22:34] <raubvogel> bcomp: was that reply to my question?
[22:36] <bcomp> yeah
[22:36] <bcomp> do you have the package source on your server's hard drive?
[22:37] <raubvogel> I meant that once ubuntu is installed I can go to /etc/apt/sources.list and specify the   fqdn for the servers I want to retrieve packages from. What I would like to do is to set that up during a fresh install
[22:37] <raubvogel> bcomp: BTW, i guess I probably meant repository
[22:42] <bcomp> most repositories come with the install
[22:42] <bcomp> are you talking about adding additional repositories?
[22:44] <raubvogel> bcomp: I setup an internal repository and would like to use it instead of one of the normal ones.
[22:45] <bcomp> ah can't say I know how to do that
[22:51] <Hypnoz> trying to write a script to see if lines in File1 are present in File2 http://dpaste.de/T04e/
[22:51] <Hypnoz> it appears to be flaky, any suggestions from someone who knows bash scripts better than I do
[22:53] <jldugger> i think a firewall is blocking snmp traffic
[22:54] <pwnguin> is there a way to query ufw?
[22:54] <PascalFR> !wiki ufw
[22:56] <pwnguin> Status: inactive
[22:58] <raubvogel> During the ubuntu server install, when it asks whether I want to install openssh (and other crap), is it retrieving those files from cd or repository?
[23:11] <pwnguin> ERROR: Description/Type table : No response from remote host
[23:11] <pwnguin> ./check_snmp_storage.pl -H host  -C pword -m / -w 90 -c 95 --v2c
[23:12] <pwnguin> for some reason i get that unless i change the host IP to localhost