| rebirth | does anyone here use an maudio ozone? | 00:16 |
|---|---|---|
| rebirth | it's an external sound card/midi device it used to work on my system, but now it is not showing up | 00:17 |
| holstein | rebirth: i'll be around in about 20 | 00:17 |
| holstein | try #opensourcemusicians | 00:17 |
| rebirth | holstein: ok thanks | 00:26 |
| crysaz | holstein: dead end. my best quess is, that the mixer requires some additional (binary) firmware | 00:29 |
| crysaz | udev just doesn't find it | 00:29 |
| crysaz | rebirth: sudo su and then pulseaudio -vvvv to see if there is some clue | 00:29 |
| rebirth | crysaz: sudo su does nothing | 00:30 |
| crysaz | hmmmm. you don't have the sudo package? you know what it is for, right? | 00:31 |
| rebirth | what does su do? | 00:32 |
| holstein | sudo? | 00:35 |
| holstein | sudo command | 00:35 |
| holstein | lets you run a command as root | 00:35 |
| holstein | with root permissions | 00:35 |
| rebirth | i know what sudo does | 00:35 |
| holstein | OH | 00:35 |
| holstein | sorry ;) | 00:35 |
| rebirth | but not su | 00:35 |
| crysaz | su without argumetns gives joo root login | 00:36 |
| crysaz | oh sorry for those typos | 00:36 |
| crysaz | s/joo/you | 00:36 |
| crysaz | i have just spent 10 hours debuging my own problem... | 00:37 |
| crysaz | but what i discovered the pulseaudio -vvvv command pretty elaborative | 00:38 |
| rebirth | what does that command do? | 00:39 |
| crysaz | it tries to start a pulseaudio daemon. you probably have one running in background, but there should be some descriptive error messages in output | 00:40 |
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| crysaz | i read a few bug descriptions today also. most of those were in form of: "My sound device doesn't work anymore after update." | 00:43 |
| crysaz | and most common answer was: "Update to the latest and greatest" | 00:43 |
| crysaz | oh, sorry. ozone is a mastering software. my bad | 00:46 |
| rebirth | crysaz: it's hardware | 00:46 |
| rebirth | crysaz: it's a usb sound card/midi device | 00:47 |
| crysaz | funny. they have branded a software with the same name | 00:50 |
| rebirth | the device shows up as "midiman" in lsusb | 00:51 |
| crysaz | does it show up in asound -l listing? | 00:53 |
| crysaz | but hey, i have to jump to the bed. it's 3 o'clock here in finland. | 00:53 |
| crysaz | i hope holstein can bring you some more insight on this subject | 00:53 |
| rebirth | no command found | 00:53 |
| rebirth | ok well thanks anyway | 00:53 |
| rebirth | reboorting brb | 00:54 |
| rebirth | holstein: you back? | 01:01 |
| holstein | almost... | 01:02 |
| holstein | the meeting is going long... | 01:02 |
| TheMuso | p/c | 01:44 |
| Zed_ | hello? | 01:46 |
| zus | hi | 01:50 |
| holstein | AH | 01:50 |
| Zed_ | can you get jackd working? | 01:50 |
| holstein | hey guys | 01:50 |
| holstein | Zed_: you got trouble with JACK? | 01:51 |
| zus | hi holstein | 01:51 |
| zus | ya wont adamn and believe what i got into here ! | 01:51 |
| zus | holstein, ^ | 01:51 |
| Zed_ | yes, after starting it gets a few XRUNS and then: "jackd watchdog: timeout - killing jackd" | 01:52 |
| holstein | what you got going on? | 01:52 |
| holstein | Zed_: what interface are you using? | 01:52 |
| holstein | internal card? | 01:52 |
| Zed_ | no, Soundblaster Live | 01:52 |
| holstein | USB then? | 01:52 |
| Zed_ | no, pci | 01:52 |
| zus | i've gotten invited to play bass on an open blues jam with a house band. | 01:52 |
| holstein | NICE zus | 01:53 |
| holstein | thats awesome | 01:53 |
| holstein | now you can go out and get some gigs | 01:53 |
| * holstein needs a sub next week ;) | 01:53 | |
| holstein | Zed_: SO open Qjackctl | 01:53 |
| Zed_ | go going zus | 01:53 |
| holstein | jack control | 01:53 |
| Zed_ | yes, that is how i start jackd | 01:53 |
| holstein | and tell me what the latency says down in the bottom right | 01:53 |
| zus | they dont have a set bassist, all i know is the house band plays a few songs and opens the floor for othe muscians to jam With the core band, so i know im NOT part of the house band,... yet i dont think | 01:54 |
| holstein | zus: i bet you are | 01:54 |
| holstein | and dont know it yet | 01:55 |
| Zed_ | it doesn't say a latency | 01:55 |
| holstein | Zed_: look at http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html | 01:55 |
| Zed_ | thanx | 01:55 |
| holstein | on first screenshot | 01:55 |
| holstein | click on setup | 01:56 |
| holstein | that will show you the second screenshot | 01:56 |
| holstein | thats where the latency is listed | 01:56 |
| holstein | in the bottom right | 01:56 |
| holstein | for an internal card | 01:56 |
| holstein | i think 20ms is great | 01:56 |
| Zed_ | 46.5 msec | 01:57 |
| holstein | yeah, that should be OK | 01:57 |
| holstein | lets try messing with the setting though just in case | 01:57 |
| Zed_ | ok | 01:57 |
| holstein | you see frames/period | 01:57 |
| holstein | and periods/buffer | 01:57 |
| zus | holstein, the guuy who hosts the jam, is also a producer and is begining a record company,.... so when he asked me to play i alsmost pooped | 01:58 |
| holstein | what are they set to? | 01:58 |
| Zed_ | frames/period 1024 periods/buffer 2 | 01:58 |
| holstein | hmmm | 01:58 |
| holstein | Zed_: try periods/buffer 3 | 01:58 |
| holstein | but i dont think this is going to be the issue | 01:58 |
| zus | i decided to play and JUST hold the bottom, ya know right in the pocket, just to not muck it all up. | 01:58 |
| holstein | what kernel are you using? | 01:58 |
| holstein | zus: thats the job :) | 01:58 |
| holstein | your hired | 01:59 |
| Zed_ | 2.6.31-11-rt | 01:59 |
| holstein | hmmm | 01:59 |
| holstein | Zed_: thats when you run uname? | 01:59 |
| holstein | your booting into that kernel for sure? | 01:59 |
| zus | im not really a blues artist though, so im a bit at a loss of what to play and not wear out the blues scale. ya know | 01:59 |
| holstein | uname -a | 01:59 |
| Zed_ | yes uname | 02:00 |
| holstein | hmmm | 02:00 |
| holstein | Zed_: how about that checkbox | 02:00 |
| holstein | the realtime checkbox | 02:00 |
| holstein | under 'setup' | 02:00 |
| Zed_ | Linux rocky 2.6.31-11-rt #154-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Wed Jun 9 12:28:53 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux | 02:00 |
| zus | only so many times ya can play a riff before they're like alright what else can ya play | 02:00 |
| holstein | is that checked? | 02:00 |
| Zed_ | yes, rt checked | 02:01 |
| holstein | hmmmm | 02:01 |
| holstein | Zed_: try running sudo qjackctl | 02:01 |
| holstein | and start jack that way | 02:01 |
| holstein | for trouble shooting purposes | 02:01 |
| Zed_ | ok, but now jackctl won't start jackd, i think i need to reboot | 02:02 |
| holstein | Zed_: wont start sudo ? | 02:02 |
| holstein | wait on the restart | 02:02 |
| holstein | are you in the audio group? | 02:02 |
| Zed_ | wait, i'll try | 02:02 |
| holstein | sudo adduser you audio | 02:02 |
| Zed_ | yes, i'm in the audio group | 02:02 |
| holstein | hmmm | 02:02 |
| Zed_ | sudo qjackctl gives me "bus error, suspending pulseaudio, bus error" | 02:03 |
| holstein | did you add falk's ppa? | 02:04 |
| Zed_ | what? | 02:04 |
| holstein | are you running the pulse-jack bridge? | 02:04 |
| holstein | is this just stock ubuntu? | 02:04 |
| holstein | no extra PPA's? | 02:04 |
| Zed_ | followed instructions on how to update from stock to studio | 02:05 |
| holstein | that should be fine then | 02:05 |
| holstein | Zed_: did it ever work right? | 02:05 |
| Zed_ | nope | 02:05 |
| holstein | you might want to try updating ALSA | 02:06 |
| * holstein looks | 02:06 | |
| holstein | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6589810#post6589810 | 02:06 |
| holstein | thats pretty easy | 02:06 |
| holstein | and shouldnt hurt anything | 02:06 |
| holstein | maybe the current ALSA driver doesnt like your hardware | 02:07 |
| holstein | Zed_: you want to look at that link | 02:07 |
| holstein | and decide if you want to try it? | 02:07 |
| Zed_ | i'll look there | 02:07 |
| holstein | ALSO | 02:09 |
| holstein | depending on what your needs are | 02:09 |
| holstein | you might just want to get an interface | 02:09 |
| holstein | something like http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCA202.aspx | 02:09 |
| holstein | for your pro audio in/out | 02:09 |
| Zed_ | there is no minimum hardware requirements (that i could find), do you think maybe my box is too slow? | 02:11 |
| holstein | whadaYA got? | 02:11 |
| Zed_ | Pentium4 (northwood) 2.0Ghz, 1G memory | 02:12 |
| holstein | that should do it | 02:12 |
| holstein | Zed_: you could try a couple live discs | 02:12 |
| holstein | for troubleshooting purposes | 02:12 |
| Zed_ | could not find anything but the alternate install CD on ubuntustudio.org | 02:12 |
| holstein | http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html | 02:12 |
| holstein | http://puredyne.org/ | 02:13 |
| holstein | avlinux is debian based | 02:13 |
| holstein | if it works in there | 02:13 |
| holstein | you should be able to figure out what needs updating to get it to work in buntu | 02:13 |
| Zed_ | ok, i'll give avlinux a try, thanx | 02:13 |
| * holstein thinks that ALSA update script is worth trying | 02:14 | |
| Zed_ | did you have to update ALSA? | 02:14 |
| * holstein uses firewire | 02:14 | |
| holstein | but that helped someone earlier | 02:14 |
| Zed_ | ok, i'm off to download avlinux.... | 02:14 |
| holstein | 17:41 < hyperactivecro-1> i'm trying to get an Audio Science asi6585 card working with ALSA. | 02:14 |
| holstein | ^^ thats the hardware that he had | 02:15 |
| Zed_ | btw, i just installed the SoundBlaster live, i had a TurtleBeach SantaCruz that did not play nice | 02:16 |
| rebirth | holstein: you there? | 02:36 |
| holstein | rebirth: HEY | 02:37 |
| rebirth | holstein: wanna try to help me out getting my ozone to work again? | 02:37 |
| holstein | sure | 02:38 |
| rebirth | holstein: i just did dpkg | 02:39 |
| rebirth | the ozone used to show up in my pulse audio volume control, but no longer | 02:39 |
| holstein | what about JACK | 02:42 |
| holstein | ? | 02:42 |
| holstein | do a couple things | 02:42 |
| holstein | do you see it in lsusb? | 02:43 |
| rebirth | um, i never used jack except that one night you were showing me how | 02:43 |
| rebirth | yeah it shows up in lsusb | 02:43 |
| holstein | and do you see it in aplay -l | 02:43 |
| holstein | and arecord -l | 02:43 |
| rebirth | no just the internal card | 02:43 |
| holstein | well, thats probably not good | 02:45 |
| holstein | it was working though? | 02:45 |
| rebirth | yes | 02:45 |
| rebirth | had been using it for like a month | 02:45 |
| holstein | do me a favour | 02:46 |
| holstein | restart | 02:46 |
| holstein | and try to use it | 02:46 |
| holstein | BEFORE | 02:46 |
| holstein | running anything to do with pulse | 02:46 |
| holstein | or the volume control | 02:46 |
| holstein | have you done that? | 02:46 |
| holstein | my VIA sound dies when i try to go into pulse settings | 02:46 |
| holstein | and wont come back | 02:46 |
| rebirth | try using it in what? | 02:47 |
| holstein | just play something | 02:47 |
| holstein | a file | 02:47 |
| rebirth | ok ill try | 02:47 |
| rebirth | brb | 02:47 |
| rebirth | ok, well i opened amarok and the only thing showing up in the device list is pulseaudio sound server | 02:51 |
| rebirth | there used to be a lot of different things there like "default" | 02:52 |
| holstein | do you remember what you updated? | 02:52 |
| holstein | something got updated | 02:52 |
| holstein | and your out of support | 02:52 |
| rebirth | what i just told you just changed since i last checked it today. it was different earlier but that was after the ozone was not working | 02:53 |
| rebirth | last time i checked the devices in amarok it had the ozone listed there but it was greyed out | 02:53 |
| holstein | well | 02:54 |
| holstein | you sould also try updating ALSA | 02:54 |
| holstein | but i would try asking around a bit | 02:54 |
| holstein | maybe in #opensourcemuscians | 02:54 |
| holstein | see if anyone else has one | 02:54 |
| holstein | and go in synaptic | 02:54 |
| holstein | and look at the history | 02:55 |
| holstein | see what updates happened | 02:55 |
| holstein | rebirth: what kernel? | 02:55 |
| holstein | i bet you got a kernel update | 02:55 |
| holstein | you should look at | 02:55 |
| holstein | !grub2 | 02:55 |
| ubottu | GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10. For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 | 02:55 |
| rebirth | where is the history? | 02:56 |
| holstein | run sudo gedit /etc/default/grub | 02:56 |
| rebirth | found it | 02:56 |
| holstein | and add #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 | 02:56 |
| holstein | add that # to the front | 02:56 |
| holstein | then run | 02:56 |
| holstein | sudo update-grub | 02:56 |
| holstein | and restart | 02:57 |
| holstein | and choose an older kernel | 02:57 |
| holstein | i bet thats it | 02:57 |
| rebirth | comment out what line? | 02:57 |
| holstein | #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 | 02:57 |
| holstein | just so you can see GRUB | 02:57 |
| holstein | i think you can push something | 02:58 |
| holstein | like esc | 02:58 |
| rebirth | yeah i did this earlier | 02:58 |
| rebirth | left shift | 02:58 |
| holstein | but sometimes it doesnt work for me | 02:58 |
| holstein | and i like to see the kernel list | 02:58 |
| holstein | becase sometimes i boot an RT kernel, and sometimes not | 02:58 |
| rebirth | want to see my upgraded packages? | 02:58 |
| holstein | just see if theres a kernel update there | 02:59 |
| rebirth | what does it look like? | 02:59 |
| holstein | and restart, and pick an older one | 02:59 |
| holstein | then you can decide what to do about it | 02:59 |
| holstein | probably starts with linux- | 02:59 |
| holstein | linux-headers | 02:59 |
| zus | holstein, do you remember the link for the ppa for blender or the .deb file for the latest? | 02:59 |
| holstein | linux-kerneligeneric | 02:59 |
| holstein | linux-kernel-generic* | 03:00 |
| holstein | something like that | 03:00 |
| zus | i thought i book marked it. | 03:00 |
| holstein | rebirth: you can just try it | 03:00 |
| holstein | i bet thats it | 03:00 |
| holstein | im 90% on it :) | 03:00 |
| holstein | zus: i dont :/ | 03:00 |
| rebirth | hmm i don't have anything like that in the list | 03:00 |
| rebirth | http://pastebin.com/TcsnvPrK | 03:00 |
| zus | holstein, thanks,.. | 03:00 |
| holstein | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bleedingedge/+archive/ppa ? | 03:01 |
| holstein | that link ^^ is highlighted like ive been to it before | 03:01 |
| holstein | rebirth: linux-image-2.6.32-24-generic (2.6.32-24.38) to 2.6.32-24.39 | 03:02 |
| holstein | that could have done it | 03:02 |
| rebirth | ok | 03:02 |
| holstein | maybe | 03:02 |
| rebirth | so i should go back to .38 | 03:02 |
| zus | so net brb i think its it, | 03:03 |
| holstein | you should have an older kernel on there somewhere | 03:03 |
| holstein | i would just try that one first | 03:03 |
| holstein | then you'll know if we're on the right track | 03:03 |
| rebirth | ok so i do i chose an older kernal? | 03:03 |
| holstein | you said 'left shift'? | 03:03 |
| holstein | if not, you gotta edit grub | 03:03 |
| rebirth | alright ill see what i can do | 03:04 |
| holstein | #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 | 03:04 |
| rebirth | brb | 03:04 |
| holstein | so you can see the kernel list | 03:04 |
| rebirth | i selected the previous kernal but it's still the same | 03:08 |
| zus | oh, holstein, i almost forgot to ask, is that ppa for all bleeding edge packages on my machine?, or for select itmes? | 03:11 |
| holstein | zus: i would assume just the ones listed there | 03:13 |
| rebirth | brb | 03:13 |
| holstein | yeah, 5 packages | 03:13 |
| rebirth | i got it working! | 03:16 |
| holstein | rebirth: awesome? | 03:16 |
| holstein | how? | 03:16 |
| zus | nice, this blender bit is way to fast ya know,every tutorial i find now is for 2.5 one and im still at 2.4B everything is all PPSTTT | 03:16 |
| rebirth | i just installed Madfuload like it says here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1475651 | 03:16 |
| holstein | AH | 03:16 |
| holstein | i was going to ask if you had that | 03:16 |
| holstein | but i assumed you did since it used to work | 03:17 |
| holstein | i need it for my m-audio transit too | 03:17 |
| rebirth | that's weird maybe it got corrupted somehow | 03:17 |
| rebirth | i was having some strange issues with upgrading | 03:17 |
| holstein | used to be a bit of a pian before that madFUload came along | 03:18 |
| rebirth | what is it exactly? | 03:18 |
| holstein | AFAIK | 03:19 |
| holstein | it takes a little bit of the windows driver | 03:19 |
| holstein | and lets us use it | 03:19 |
| holstein | like the old wifi wrappers | 03:19 |
| rebirth | oh hmm | 03:20 |
| holstein | might be different now | 03:20 |
| holstein | you used to have to copy files over from a windows box | 03:20 |
| holstein | of DL them | 03:20 |
| holstein | OR DL them * | 03:20 |
| rebirth | i thought i understood computers until i switched to linux | 03:20 |
| holstein | hehe | 03:20 |
| rebirth | now i'm totally lost again | 03:20 |
| holstein | yeah? | 03:21 |
| holstein | is your sound still working? | 03:21 |
| rebirth | well i'm learning bit by bit | 03:21 |
| rebirth | yeah | 03:21 |
| rebirth | i mean lost in the computer world | 03:21 |
| holstein | WIN | 03:21 |
| holstein | you are vitorious :) | 03:21 |
| rebirth | i guess i learned that sometimes it helps to try google before spending hours in IRC | 03:22 |
| holstein | hehe | 03:22 |
| holstein | slipped my mind | 03:22 |
| holstein | because i was busy there | 03:22 |
| holstein | but when you said maudio | 03:22 |
| holstein | i thought madfuload | 03:23 |
| rebirth | thanks for help anyway though | 03:23 |
| holstein | anytime :) | 03:23 |
| rebirth | now it's time to eat! | 03:23 |
| rebirth | i'll ttyl | 03:23 |
| zus | lastly, the kde studio ppa please? | 03:29 |
| zus | im getting things set up for my other machine. | 03:29 |
| holstein | OH kxstudio? | 03:30 |
| holstein | http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/ | 03:31 |
| holstein | https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid/ | 03:31 |
| holstein | ^^ thats the PPA | 03:31 |
| zus | thanks i think imma leave gnome alone till the gnome shell 3 comes out. | 03:34 |
| * hehehehhe is away: ^^^今天玩Linux游戏，暂不接客^^^^..... | 20:57 | |
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