[00:16] <rebirth> does anyone here use an maudio ozone?
[00:17] <rebirth> it's an external sound card/midi device it used to work on my system, but now it is not showing up
[00:17] <holstein> rebirth: i'll be around in about 20
[00:17] <holstein> try #opensourcemusicians
[00:26] <rebirth> holstein: ok thanks
[00:29] <crysaz> holstein: dead end. my best quess is, that the mixer requires some additional (binary) firmware
[00:29] <crysaz> udev just doesn't find it
[00:29] <crysaz> rebirth: sudo su  and then  pulseaudio -vvvv  to see if there is some clue
[00:30] <rebirth> crysaz: sudo su does nothing
[00:31] <crysaz> hmmmm. you don't have the sudo package? you know what it is for, right?
[00:32] <rebirth> what does su do?
[00:35] <holstein> sudo?
[00:35] <holstein> sudo command
[00:35] <holstein> lets you run a command as root
[00:35] <holstein> with root permissions
[00:35] <rebirth> i know what sudo does
[00:35] <holstein> OH
[00:35] <holstein> sorry ;)
[00:35] <rebirth> but not su
[00:36] <crysaz> su without argumetns gives joo root login
[00:36] <crysaz> oh sorry for those typos
[00:36] <crysaz> s/joo/you
[00:37] <crysaz> i have just spent 10 hours debuging my own problem...
[00:38] <crysaz> but what i discovered the pulseaudio -vvvv command pretty elaborative
[00:39] <rebirth> what does that command do?
[00:40] <crysaz> it tries to start a pulseaudio daemon. you probably have one running in background, but there should be some descriptive error messages in output
[00:43] <crysaz> i read a few bug descriptions today also. most of those were in form of: "My sound device doesn't work anymore after update."
[00:43] <crysaz> and most common answer was: "Update to the latest and greatest"
[00:46] <crysaz> oh, sorry. ozone is a mastering software. my bad
[00:46] <rebirth> crysaz: it's hardware
[00:47] <rebirth> crysaz: it's a usb sound card/midi device
[00:50] <crysaz> funny. they have branded a software with the same name
[00:51] <rebirth> the device shows up as "midiman" in lsusb
[00:53] <crysaz> does it show up in  asound -l  listing?
[00:53] <crysaz> but hey, i have to jump to the bed. it's 3 o'clock here in finland.
[00:53] <crysaz> i hope holstein can bring you some more insight on this subject
[00:53] <rebirth> no command found
[00:53] <rebirth> ok well thanks anyway
[00:54] <rebirth> reboorting brb
[01:01] <rebirth> holstein: you back?
[01:02] <holstein> almost...
[01:02] <holstein> the meeting is going long...
[01:44] <TheMuso> p/c
[01:46] <Zed_> hello?
[01:50] <zus> hi
[01:50] <holstein> AH
[01:50] <Zed_> can you get jackd working?
[01:50] <holstein> hey guys
[01:51] <holstein> Zed_: you got trouble with JACK?
[01:51] <zus> hi holstein
[01:51] <zus> ya wont  adamn and believe what i got into here !
[01:51] <zus> holstein, ^
[01:52] <Zed_> yes, after starting it gets a few XRUNS and then: "jackd watchdog: timeout - killing jackd"
[01:52] <holstein> what you got going on?
[01:52] <holstein> Zed_: what interface are you using?
[01:52] <holstein> internal card?
[01:52] <Zed_> no, Soundblaster Live
[01:52] <holstein> USB then?
[01:52] <Zed_> no, pci
[01:52] <zus> i've gotten invited to play bass on an open blues jam with a house band.
[01:53] <holstein> NICE zus
[01:53] <holstein> thats awesome
[01:53] <holstein> now you can go out and get some gigs
[01:53]  * holstein needs a sub next week ;)
[01:53] <holstein> Zed_: SO open Qjackctl
[01:53] <Zed_> go going zus
[01:53] <holstein> jack control
[01:53] <Zed_> yes, that is how i start jackd
[01:53] <holstein> and tell me what the latency says down in the bottom right
[01:54] <zus> they dont have a set bassist, all i know is the house band plays a few songs and opens the floor for othe muscians to jam With the core band, so i know  im NOT part of the house band,... yet i dont think
[01:54] <holstein> zus: i bet you are
[01:55] <holstein> and dont know it yet
[01:55] <Zed_> it doesn't say a latency
[01:55] <holstein> Zed_: look at http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html
[01:55] <Zed_> thanx
[01:55] <holstein> on first screenshot
[01:56] <holstein> click on setup
[01:56] <holstein> that will show you the second screenshot
[01:56] <holstein> thats where the latency is listed
[01:56] <holstein> in the bottom right
[01:56] <holstein> for an internal card
[01:56] <holstein> i think 20ms is great
[01:57] <Zed_> 46.5 msec
[01:57] <holstein> yeah, that should be OK
[01:57] <holstein> lets try messing with the setting though just in case
[01:57] <Zed_> ok
[01:57] <holstein> you see frames/period
[01:57] <holstein> and periods/buffer
[01:58] <zus> holstein, the guuy who hosts the jam, is also a producer and is begining a record company,.... so when he asked me to  play i alsmost pooped
[01:58] <holstein> what are they set to?
[01:58] <Zed_> frames/period 1024 periods/buffer 2
[01:58] <holstein> hmmm
[01:58] <holstein> Zed_: try periods/buffer 3
[01:58] <holstein> but i dont think this is going to be the issue
[01:58] <zus> i decided to play and  JUST hold the  bottom, ya know  right in the pocket, just to not muck it all up.
[01:58] <holstein> what kernel are you using?
[01:58] <holstein> zus: thats the job :)
[01:59] <holstein> your hired
[01:59] <Zed_> 2.6.31-11-rt
[01:59] <holstein> hmmm
[01:59] <holstein> Zed_: thats when you run uname?
[01:59] <holstein> your booting into that kernel for sure?
[01:59] <zus> im not really a blues artist though, so im a bit at a loss of what to play and not wear out the  blues scale. ya know
[01:59] <holstein> uname -a
[02:00] <Zed_> yes uname
[02:00] <holstein> hmmm
[02:00] <holstein> Zed_: how about that checkbox
[02:00] <holstein> the realtime checkbox
[02:00] <holstein> under 'setup'
[02:00] <Zed_> Linux rocky 2.6.31-11-rt #154-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Wed Jun 9 12:28:53 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:00] <zus> only so many times ya can play a riff before they're like alright what else can ya play
[02:00] <holstein> is that checked?
[02:01] <Zed_> yes, rt checked
[02:01] <holstein> hmmmm
[02:01] <holstein> Zed_: try running sudo qjackctl
[02:01] <holstein> and start jack that way
[02:01] <holstein> for trouble shooting purposes
[02:02] <Zed_> ok, but now jackctl won't start jackd, i think i need to reboot
[02:02] <holstein> Zed_: wont start sudo ?
[02:02] <holstein> wait on the restart
[02:02] <holstein> are you in the audio group?
[02:02] <Zed_> wait, i'll try
[02:02] <holstein> sudo adduser you audio
[02:02] <Zed_> yes, i'm in the audio group
[02:02] <holstein> hmmm
[02:03] <Zed_> sudo qjackctl gives me "bus error, suspending pulseaudio, bus error"
[02:04] <holstein> did you add falk's ppa?
[02:04] <Zed_> what?
[02:04] <holstein> are you running the pulse-jack bridge?
[02:04] <holstein> is this just stock ubuntu?
[02:04] <holstein> no extra PPA's?
[02:05] <Zed_> followed instructions on how to update from stock to studio
[02:05] <holstein> that should be fine then
[02:05] <holstein> Zed_: did it ever work right?
[02:05] <Zed_> nope
[02:06] <holstein> you might want to try updating ALSA
[02:06]  * holstein looks
[02:06] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6589810#post6589810
[02:06] <holstein> thats pretty easy
[02:06] <holstein> and shouldnt hurt anything
[02:07] <holstein> maybe the current ALSA driver doesnt like your hardware
[02:07] <holstein> Zed_: you want to look at that link
[02:07] <holstein> and decide if you want to try it?
[02:07] <Zed_> i'll look there
[02:09] <holstein> ALSO
[02:09] <holstein> depending on what your needs are
[02:09] <holstein> you might just want to get an interface
[02:09] <holstein> something like http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCA202.aspx
[02:09] <holstein> for your pro audio in/out
[02:11] <Zed_> there is no minimum hardware requirements (that i could find), do you think maybe my box is too slow?
[02:11] <holstein> whadaYA got?
[02:12] <Zed_> Pentium4 (northwood) 2.0Ghz, 1G memory
[02:12] <holstein> that should do it
[02:12] <holstein> Zed_: you could try a couple live discs
[02:12] <holstein> for troubleshooting purposes
[02:12] <Zed_> could not find anything but the alternate install CD on ubuntustudio.org
[02:12] <holstein> http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html
[02:13] <holstein> http://puredyne.org/
[02:13] <holstein> avlinux is debian based
[02:13] <holstein> if it works in there
[02:13] <holstein> you should be able to figure out what needs updating to get it to work in buntu
[02:13] <Zed_> ok, i'll give avlinux a try, thanx
[02:14]  * holstein thinks that ALSA update script is worth trying
[02:14] <Zed_> did you have to update ALSA?
[02:14]  * holstein uses firewire
[02:14] <holstein> but that helped someone earlier
[02:14] <Zed_> ok, i'm off to download avlinux....
[02:14] <holstein> 17:41 < hyperactivecro-1> i'm trying to get an Audio Science asi6585 card working with ALSA.
[02:15] <holstein> ^^ thats the hardware that he had
[02:16] <Zed_> btw, i just installed the SoundBlaster live, i had a TurtleBeach SantaCruz that did not play nice
[02:36] <rebirth> holstein: you there?
[02:37] <holstein> rebirth: HEY
[02:37] <rebirth> holstein: wanna try to help me out getting my ozone to work again?
[02:38] <holstein> sure
[02:39] <rebirth> holstein: i just did dpkg
[02:39] <rebirth> the ozone used to show up in my pulse audio volume control, but no longer
[02:42] <holstein> what about JACK
[02:42] <holstein> ?
[02:42] <holstein> do a couple things
[02:43] <holstein> do you see it in lsusb?
[02:43] <rebirth> um, i never used jack except that one night you were showing me how
[02:43] <rebirth> yeah it shows up in lsusb
[02:43] <holstein> and do you see it in aplay -l
[02:43] <holstein> and arecord -l
[02:43] <rebirth> no just the internal card
[02:45] <holstein> well, thats probably not good
[02:45] <holstein> it was working though?
[02:45] <rebirth> yes
[02:45] <rebirth> had been using it for like a month
[02:46] <holstein> do me a favour
[02:46] <holstein> restart
[02:46] <holstein> and try to use it
[02:46] <holstein> BEFORE
[02:46] <holstein> running anything to do with pulse
[02:46] <holstein> or the volume control
[02:46] <holstein> have you done that?
[02:46] <holstein> my VIA sound dies when i try to go into pulse settings
[02:46] <holstein> and wont come back
[02:47] <rebirth> try using it in what?
[02:47] <holstein> just play something
[02:47] <holstein> a file
[02:47] <rebirth> ok ill try
[02:47] <rebirth> brb
[02:51] <rebirth> ok, well i opened amarok and the only thing showing up in the device list is pulseaudio sound server
[02:52] <rebirth> there used to be a lot of different things there like "default"
[02:52] <holstein> do you remember what you updated?
[02:52] <holstein> something got updated
[02:52] <holstein> and your out of support
[02:53] <rebirth> what i just told you just changed since i last checked it today.  it was different earlier but that was after the ozone was not working
[02:53] <rebirth> last time i checked the devices in amarok it had the ozone listed there but it was greyed out
[02:54] <holstein> well
[02:54] <holstein> you sould also try updating ALSA
[02:54] <holstein> but i would try asking around a bit
[02:54] <holstein> maybe in #opensourcemuscians
[02:54] <holstein> see if anyone else has one
[02:54] <holstein> and go in synaptic
[02:55] <holstein> and look at the history
[02:55] <holstein> see what updates happened
[02:55] <holstein> rebirth: what kernel?
[02:55] <holstein> i bet you got a kernel update
[02:55] <holstein> you should look at
[02:55] <holstein> !grub2
[02:56] <rebirth> where is the history?
[02:56] <holstein> run sudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[02:56] <rebirth> found it
[02:56] <holstein> and add #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[02:56] <holstein> add that # to the front
[02:56] <holstein> then run
[02:56] <holstein> sudo update-grub
[02:57] <holstein> and restart
[02:57] <holstein> and choose an older kernel
[02:57] <holstein> i bet thats it
[02:57] <rebirth> comment out what line?
[02:57] <holstein> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[02:57] <holstein> just so you can see GRUB
[02:58] <holstein> i think you can push something
[02:58] <holstein> like esc
[02:58] <rebirth> yeah i did this earlier
[02:58] <rebirth> left shift
[02:58] <holstein> but sometimes it doesnt work for me
[02:58] <holstein> and i like to see the kernel list
[02:58] <holstein> becase sometimes i boot an RT kernel, and sometimes not
[02:58] <rebirth> want to see my upgraded packages?
[02:59] <holstein> just see if theres a kernel update there
[02:59] <rebirth> what does it look like?
[02:59] <holstein> and restart, and pick an older one
[02:59] <holstein> then you can decide what to do about it
[02:59] <holstein> probably starts with linux-
[02:59] <holstein> linux-headers
[02:59] <zus> holstein,  do you remember the link for the ppa  for blender or the .deb file for the latest?
[02:59] <holstein> linux-kerneligeneric
[03:00] <holstein> linux-kernel-generic*
[03:00] <holstein> something like that
[03:00] <zus> i thought i book marked it.
[03:00] <holstein> rebirth: you can just try it
[03:00] <holstein> i bet thats it
[03:00] <holstein> im 90% on it :)
[03:00] <holstein> zus: i dont :/
[03:00] <rebirth> hmm i don't have anything like that in the list
[03:00] <rebirth> http://pastebin.com/TcsnvPrK
[03:00] <zus> holstein,  thanks,..
[03:01] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bleedingedge/+archive/ppa ?
[03:01] <holstein> that link ^^ is highlighted like ive been to it before
[03:02] <holstein> rebirth: linux-image-2.6.32-24-generic (2.6.32-24.38) to 2.6.32-24.39
[03:02] <holstein> that could have done it
[03:02] <rebirth> ok
[03:02] <holstein> maybe
[03:02] <rebirth> so i should go back to .38
[03:03] <zus> so net brb  i think its it,
[03:03] <holstein> you should have an older kernel on there somewhere
[03:03] <holstein> i would just try that one first
[03:03] <holstein> then you'll know if we're on the right track
[03:03] <rebirth> ok so i do i chose an older kernal?
[03:03] <holstein> you said 'left shift'?
[03:03] <holstein> if not, you gotta edit grub
[03:04] <rebirth> alright ill see what i can do
[03:04] <holstein> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[03:04] <rebirth> brb
[03:04] <holstein> so you can see the kernel list
[03:08] <rebirth> i selected the previous kernal but it's still the same
[03:11] <zus> oh, holstein, i almost forgot to ask, is that ppa for all bleeding edge packages on my machine?, or for select itmes?
[03:13] <holstein> zus: i would assume just the ones listed there
[03:13] <rebirth> brb
[03:13] <holstein> yeah, 5 packages
[03:16] <rebirth> i got it working!
[03:16] <holstein> rebirth: awesome?
[03:16] <holstein> how?
[03:16] <zus> nice, this blender bit is way to fast ya know,every tutorial i find  now is for 2.5 one and  im still at 2.4B  everything is all PPSTTT
[03:16] <rebirth> i just installed Madfuload like it says here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1475651
[03:16] <holstein> AH
[03:16] <holstein> i was going to ask if you had that
[03:17] <holstein> but i assumed you did since it used to work
[03:17] <holstein> i need it for my m-audio transit too
[03:17] <rebirth> that's weird maybe it got corrupted somehow
[03:17] <rebirth> i was having some strange issues with upgrading
[03:18] <holstein> used to be a bit of a pian before that madFUload came along
[03:18] <rebirth> what is it exactly?
[03:19] <holstein> AFAIK
[03:19] <holstein> it takes a little bit of the windows driver
[03:19] <holstein> and lets us use it
[03:19] <holstein> like the old wifi wrappers
[03:20] <rebirth> oh hmm
[03:20] <holstein> might be different now
[03:20] <holstein> you used to have to copy files over from a windows box
[03:20] <holstein> of DL them
[03:20] <holstein> OR DL them *
[03:20] <rebirth> i thought i understood computers until i switched to linux
[03:20] <holstein> hehe
[03:20] <rebirth> now i'm totally lost again
[03:21] <holstein> yeah?
[03:21] <holstein> is your sound still working?
[03:21] <rebirth> well i'm learning bit by bit
[03:21] <rebirth> yeah
[03:21] <rebirth> i mean lost in the computer world
[03:21] <holstein> WIN
[03:21] <holstein> you are vitorious :)
[03:22] <rebirth> i guess i learned that sometimes it helps to try google before spending hours in IRC
[03:22] <holstein> hehe
[03:22] <holstein> slipped my mind
[03:22] <holstein> because i was busy there
[03:22] <holstein> but when you said maudio
[03:23] <holstein> i thought madfuload
[03:23] <rebirth> thanks for help anyway though
[03:23] <holstein> anytime :)
[03:23] <rebirth> now it's time to eat!
[03:23] <rebirth> i'll ttyl
[03:29] <zus> lastly, the kde studio ppa please?
[03:29] <zus> im getting things set up for my other machine.
[03:30] <holstein> OH kxstudio?
[03:31] <holstein> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/
[03:31] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid/
[03:31] <holstein> ^^ thats the PPA
[03:34] <zus> thanks i think imma leave gnome alone till the gnome shell 3 comes out.
[20:57]  * hehehehhe is away: ^^^今天玩Linux游戏，暂不接客^^^^.....