[00:16] does anyone here use an maudio ozone? [00:17] it's an external sound card/midi device it used to work on my system, but now it is not showing up [00:17] rebirth: i'll be around in about 20 [00:17] try #opensourcemusicians [00:26] holstein: ok thanks [00:29] holstein: dead end. my best quess is, that the mixer requires some additional (binary) firmware [00:29] udev just doesn't find it [00:29] rebirth: sudo su and then pulseaudio -vvvv to see if there is some clue [00:30] crysaz: sudo su does nothing [00:31] hmmmm. you don't have the sudo package? you know what it is for, right? [00:32] what does su do? [00:35] sudo? [00:35] sudo command [00:35] lets you run a command as root [00:35] with root permissions [00:35] i know what sudo does [00:35] OH [00:35] sorry ;) [00:35] but not su [00:36] su without argumetns gives joo root login [00:36] oh sorry for those typos [00:36] s/joo/you [00:37] i have just spent 10 hours debuging my own problem... [00:38] but what i discovered the pulseaudio -vvvv command pretty elaborative [00:39] what does that command do? [00:40] it tries to start a pulseaudio daemon. you probably have one running in background, but there should be some descriptive error messages in output === kai_62656 is now known as BDC-kracker [00:43] i read a few bug descriptions today also. most of those were in form of: "My sound device doesn't work anymore after update." [00:43] and most common answer was: "Update to the latest and greatest" [00:46] oh, sorry. ozone is a mastering software. my bad [00:46] crysaz: it's hardware [00:47] crysaz: it's a usb sound card/midi device [00:50] funny. they have branded a software with the same name [00:51] the device shows up as "midiman" in lsusb [00:53] does it show up in asound -l listing? [00:53] but hey, i have to jump to the bed. it's 3 o'clock here in finland. [00:53] i hope holstein can bring you some more insight on this subject [00:53] no command found [00:53] ok well thanks anyway [00:54] reboorting brb [01:01] holstein: you back? [01:02] almost... [01:02] the meeting is going long... [01:44] p/c [01:46] hello? [01:50] hi [01:50] AH [01:50] can you get jackd working? [01:50] hey guys [01:51] Zed_: you got trouble with JACK? [01:51] hi holstein [01:51] ya wont adamn and believe what i got into here ! [01:51] holstein, ^ [01:52] yes, after starting it gets a few XRUNS and then: "jackd watchdog: timeout - killing jackd" [01:52] what you got going on? [01:52] Zed_: what interface are you using? [01:52] internal card? [01:52] no, Soundblaster Live [01:52] USB then? [01:52] no, pci [01:52] i've gotten invited to play bass on an open blues jam with a house band. [01:53] NICE zus [01:53] thats awesome [01:53] now you can go out and get some gigs [01:53] * holstein needs a sub next week ;) [01:53] Zed_: SO open Qjackctl [01:53] go going zus [01:53] jack control [01:53] yes, that is how i start jackd [01:53] and tell me what the latency says down in the bottom right [01:54] they dont have a set bassist, all i know is the house band plays a few songs and opens the floor for othe muscians to jam With the core band, so i know im NOT part of the house band,... yet i dont think [01:54] zus: i bet you are [01:55] and dont know it yet [01:55] it doesn't say a latency [01:55] Zed_: look at http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html [01:55] thanx [01:55] on first screenshot [01:56] click on setup [01:56] that will show you the second screenshot [01:56] thats where the latency is listed [01:56] in the bottom right [01:56] for an internal card [01:56] i think 20ms is great [01:57] 46.5 msec [01:57] yeah, that should be OK [01:57] lets try messing with the setting though just in case [01:57] ok [01:57] you see frames/period [01:57] and periods/buffer [01:58] holstein, the guuy who hosts the jam, is also a producer and is begining a record company,.... so when he asked me to play i alsmost pooped [01:58] what are they set to? [01:58] frames/period 1024 periods/buffer 2 [01:58] hmmm [01:58] Zed_: try periods/buffer 3 [01:58] but i dont think this is going to be the issue [01:58] i decided to play and JUST hold the bottom, ya know right in the pocket, just to not muck it all up. [01:58] what kernel are you using? [01:58] zus: thats the job :) [01:59] your hired [01:59] 2.6.31-11-rt [01:59] hmmm [01:59] Zed_: thats when you run uname? [01:59] your booting into that kernel for sure? [01:59] im not really a blues artist though, so im a bit at a loss of what to play and not wear out the blues scale. ya know [01:59] uname -a [02:00] yes uname [02:00] hmmm [02:00] Zed_: how about that checkbox [02:00] the realtime checkbox [02:00] under 'setup' [02:00] Linux rocky 2.6.31-11-rt #154-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Wed Jun 9 12:28:53 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux [02:00] only so many times ya can play a riff before they're like alright what else can ya play [02:00] is that checked? [02:01] yes, rt checked [02:01] hmmmm [02:01] Zed_: try running sudo qjackctl [02:01] and start jack that way [02:01] for trouble shooting purposes [02:02] ok, but now jackctl won't start jackd, i think i need to reboot [02:02] Zed_: wont start sudo ? [02:02] wait on the restart [02:02] are you in the audio group? [02:02] wait, i'll try [02:02] sudo adduser you audio [02:02] yes, i'm in the audio group [02:02] hmmm [02:03] sudo qjackctl gives me "bus error, suspending pulseaudio, bus error" [02:04] did you add falk's ppa? [02:04] what? [02:04] are you running the pulse-jack bridge? [02:04] is this just stock ubuntu? [02:04] no extra PPA's? [02:05] followed instructions on how to update from stock to studio [02:05] that should be fine then [02:05] Zed_: did it ever work right? [02:05] nope [02:06] you might want to try updating ALSA [02:06] * holstein looks [02:06] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6589810#post6589810 [02:06] thats pretty easy [02:06] and shouldnt hurt anything [02:07] maybe the current ALSA driver doesnt like your hardware [02:07] Zed_: you want to look at that link [02:07] and decide if you want to try it? [02:07] i'll look there [02:09] ALSO [02:09] depending on what your needs are [02:09] you might just want to get an interface [02:09] something like http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCA202.aspx [02:09] for your pro audio in/out [02:11] there is no minimum hardware requirements (that i could find), do you think maybe my box is too slow? [02:11] whadaYA got? [02:12] Pentium4 (northwood) 2.0Ghz, 1G memory [02:12] that should do it [02:12] Zed_: you could try a couple live discs [02:12] for troubleshooting purposes [02:12] could not find anything but the alternate install CD on ubuntustudio.org [02:12] http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html [02:13] http://puredyne.org/ [02:13] avlinux is debian based [02:13] if it works in there [02:13] you should be able to figure out what needs updating to get it to work in buntu [02:13] ok, i'll give avlinux a try, thanx [02:14] * holstein thinks that ALSA update script is worth trying [02:14] did you have to update ALSA? [02:14] * holstein uses firewire [02:14] but that helped someone earlier [02:14] ok, i'm off to download avlinux.... [02:14] 17:41 < hyperactivecro-1> i'm trying to get an Audio Science asi6585 card working with ALSA. [02:15] ^^ thats the hardware that he had [02:16] btw, i just installed the SoundBlaster live, i had a TurtleBeach SantaCruz that did not play nice [02:36] holstein: you there? [02:37] rebirth: HEY [02:37] holstein: wanna try to help me out getting my ozone to work again? [02:38] sure [02:39] holstein: i just did dpkg [02:39] the ozone used to show up in my pulse audio volume control, but no longer [02:42] what about JACK [02:42] ? [02:42] do a couple things [02:43] do you see it in lsusb? [02:43] um, i never used jack except that one night you were showing me how [02:43] yeah it shows up in lsusb [02:43] and do you see it in aplay -l [02:43] and arecord -l [02:43] no just the internal card [02:45] well, thats probably not good [02:45] it was working though? [02:45] yes [02:45] had been using it for like a month [02:46] do me a favour [02:46] restart [02:46] and try to use it [02:46] BEFORE [02:46] running anything to do with pulse [02:46] or the volume control [02:46] have you done that? [02:46] my VIA sound dies when i try to go into pulse settings [02:46] and wont come back [02:47] try using it in what? [02:47] just play something [02:47] a file [02:47] ok ill try [02:47] brb [02:51] ok, well i opened amarok and the only thing showing up in the device list is pulseaudio sound server [02:52] there used to be a lot of different things there like "default" [02:52] do you remember what you updated? [02:52] something got updated [02:52] and your out of support [02:53] what i just told you just changed since i last checked it today. it was different earlier but that was after the ozone was not working [02:53] last time i checked the devices in amarok it had the ozone listed there but it was greyed out [02:54] well [02:54] you sould also try updating ALSA [02:54] but i would try asking around a bit [02:54] maybe in #opensourcemuscians [02:54] see if anyone else has one [02:54] and go in synaptic [02:55] and look at the history [02:55] see what updates happened [02:55] rebirth: what kernel? [02:55] i bet you got a kernel update [02:55] you should look at [02:55] !grub2 [02:55] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10. For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [02:56] where is the history? [02:56] run sudo gedit /etc/default/grub [02:56] found it [02:56] and add #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 [02:56] add that # to the front [02:56] then run [02:56] sudo update-grub [02:57] and restart [02:57] and choose an older kernel [02:57] i bet thats it [02:57] comment out what line? [02:57] #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 [02:57] just so you can see GRUB [02:58] i think you can push something [02:58] like esc [02:58] yeah i did this earlier [02:58] left shift [02:58] but sometimes it doesnt work for me [02:58] and i like to see the kernel list [02:58] becase sometimes i boot an RT kernel, and sometimes not [02:58] want to see my upgraded packages? [02:59] just see if theres a kernel update there [02:59] what does it look like? [02:59] and restart, and pick an older one [02:59] then you can decide what to do about it [02:59] probably starts with linux- [02:59] linux-headers [02:59] holstein, do you remember the link for the ppa for blender or the .deb file for the latest? [02:59] linux-kerneligeneric [03:00] linux-kernel-generic* [03:00] something like that [03:00] i thought i book marked it. [03:00] rebirth: you can just try it [03:00] i bet thats it [03:00] im 90% on it :) [03:00] zus: i dont :/ [03:00] hmm i don't have anything like that in the list [03:00] http://pastebin.com/TcsnvPrK [03:00] holstein, thanks,.. [03:01] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bleedingedge/+archive/ppa ? [03:01] that link ^^ is highlighted like ive been to it before [03:02] rebirth: linux-image-2.6.32-24-generic (2.6.32-24.38) to 2.6.32-24.39 [03:02] that could have done it [03:02] ok [03:02] maybe [03:02] so i should go back to .38 [03:03] so net brb i think its it, [03:03] you should have an older kernel on there somewhere [03:03] i would just try that one first [03:03] then you'll know if we're on the right track [03:03] ok so i do i chose an older kernal? [03:03] you said 'left shift'? [03:03] if not, you gotta edit grub [03:04] alright ill see what i can do [03:04] #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 [03:04] brb [03:04] so you can see the kernel list [03:08] i selected the previous kernal but it's still the same [03:11] oh, holstein, i almost forgot to ask, is that ppa for all bleeding edge packages on my machine?, or for select itmes? [03:13] zus: i would assume just the ones listed there [03:13] brb [03:13] yeah, 5 packages [03:16] i got it working! [03:16] rebirth: awesome? [03:16] how? [03:16] nice, this blender bit is way to fast ya know,every tutorial i find now is for 2.5 one and im still at 2.4B everything is all PPSTTT [03:16] i just installed Madfuload like it says here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1475651 [03:16] AH [03:16] i was going to ask if you had that [03:17] but i assumed you did since it used to work [03:17] i need it for my m-audio transit too [03:17] that's weird maybe it got corrupted somehow [03:17] i was having some strange issues with upgrading [03:18] used to be a bit of a pian before that madFUload came along [03:18] what is it exactly? [03:19] AFAIK [03:19] it takes a little bit of the windows driver [03:19] and lets us use it [03:19] like the old wifi wrappers [03:20] oh hmm [03:20] might be different now [03:20] you used to have to copy files over from a windows box [03:20] of DL them [03:20] OR DL them * [03:20] i thought i understood computers until i switched to linux [03:20] hehe [03:20] now i'm totally lost again [03:21] yeah? [03:21] is your sound still working? [03:21] well i'm learning bit by bit [03:21] yeah [03:21] i mean lost in the computer world [03:21] WIN [03:21] you are vitorious :) [03:22] i guess i learned that sometimes it helps to try google before spending hours in IRC [03:22] hehe [03:22] slipped my mind [03:22] because i was busy there [03:22] but when you said maudio [03:23] i thought madfuload [03:23] thanks for help anyway though [03:23] anytime :) [03:23] now it's time to eat! [03:23] i'll ttyl [03:29] lastly, the kde studio ppa please? [03:29] im getting things set up for my other machine. [03:30] OH kxstudio? [03:31] http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/ [03:31] https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid/ [03:31] ^^ thats the PPA [03:34] thanks i think imma leave gnome alone till the gnome shell 3 comes out. [20:57] * hehehehhe is away: ^^^今天玩Linux游戏，暂不接客^^^^..... === ubott2 is now known as ubottu