[02:30]  * lfaraone waves
[15:46] <manusheel> dfarning: Good morning.
[15:50] <dfarning> manusheel, good morning
[15:51] <manusheel> dfarning: Thanks for the message for the workflow on patch creation and submission.
[15:53] <dfarning> manusheel, i was hoping to here back from luke about if it was resonable.... then I would fill it in in more detail
[15:54] <manusheel> dfarning: Sure. I think we also need to take care off non-traditional packages in .bzr.
[15:55]  * dipankar says hello to all. Sorry for being late
[15:58] <manusheel> dipankar: Hi Dipankar.
[15:59] <dipankar> dfarning, hello. How are you today?
[16:00] <manusheel> dipankar: Let us focus on the full screen view issues today as discussed.
[16:00] <dipankar> manusheel, yes sure sir
[16:01] <dipankar> manusheel, last night I tried searching a lot
[16:01] <dipankar> manusheel, sir, but I was unable to find any relevant information
[16:01] <dipankar> everywhere the flags were discussed
[16:02] <dipankar> the flag which will be useful to us is '-f', that we are already using
[16:02] <manusheel> dipankar: ok.
[16:03] <manusheel> dipankar: Let us post this question at usr today.
[16:03] <manusheel> See if we can get a response.
[16:04] <manusheel> dipankar: Did you get a chance to discuss this with Aleksey Lim?
[16:04] <dipankar> manusheel, no sir
[16:04] <dipankar> can I ask now?
[16:05] <manusheel> dipankar: yes.
[16:05] <dipankar> alsroot, around?
[16:06] <dipankar> alsroot, need your views and help regarding this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/614388
[16:06]  * alsroot looks
[16:14] <alsroot> dipankar: there is some kind of logic to use not-full screen mode if screen is sufficiently large and fallback to "-f" mode, /me looks to code
[16:16] <dipankar> ok
[16:19] <alsroot> dipankar: yeah, current code assumes that if screen is less then 800x600, full screen mode is activated -- for myself, I'm not sure what the best option is, use "-f" all time, current code, or rely only on command line arguments
[16:23] <dipankar> alsroot, ok
[16:29] <dipankar> alsroot, so what do you suggest?
[16:31] <dipankar> alsroot, can we add a button in window mode to switch to 'maximized' mode?
[16:32] <alsroot> dipankar: dunno, it shouldn't be trivial, since we have to set fullscreen mode for Xephyr itself
[16:32] <satellit___> can you install an icon on Desktop with sugar-emulator -f  and label sugar fill screen. then Menu item is not full screen but have option with icon on desktop for full screen?
[16:34] <satellit___> s/full screen
[16:37] <dipankar> satellit__, thats what I was thinking too
[16:38] <dipankar> alsroot, I didn't get onw thing
[16:38] <dipankar> *one
[16:38] <lfaraone> dfarning: mail sent to d-o-d@l.a.d.o
[16:38] <alsroot> dipankar: myself, too :)
[16:38] <dipankar> alsroot, xephyr's fullscreen is not maximized mode
[16:38] <dfarning> lfaraone, thanks
[16:40] <dipankar> alsroot, can you help me in understanding the code please?
[16:40] <dipankar> alsroot, where to start with looking inside the code
[16:41] <alsroot> dfarning: btw, the original #614388 issue is that there is a mess, if I recall right, in one code 72 scalling is assumed, in another 100 -- there is a patch http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1747 wich set 72 by default
[16:42] <alsroot> dipankar: start w/ sugar/src/jarabe/util/emulator.py
[16:44]  * dipankar is looking into emulator.py
[16:47] <dfarning> alsroot, ^^ in which tracker.
[16:47] <dipankar> alsroot, ohk
[16:48] <dipankar> alsroot, Its as desired
[16:48] <alsroot> dfarning: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/614388
[16:50] <dfarning> alsroot, yes weird stuff happen because of inconsistant scaling.
[16:50] <manusheel> alsroot: Thanks for the pointers.
[16:50] <dipankar> lfaraone, regarding flipsticks-activity, is it out of tasks now?
[16:51] <lfaraone> dipankar: it's there, but halted.
[16:51] <dipankar> lfaraone, ohk. I thought it was dropped due to some reasons.
[16:52] <lfaraone> alsroot: so polyol is a collection of libs?
[16:53]  * lfaraone is looking at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/Polyol
[16:53] <alsroot> lfaraone: it is sugar-toolkit rewritten in Vala (to support not only python activities)
[16:53] <alsroot> + some additional stuff in gui module
[16:54] <lfaraone> alsroot: okay. is it ready to be packaged? :)
[16:54] <dipankar> I hope yes!
[16:56] <alsroot> lfaraone: not yet, I'm busy w/ refinery stuff, planing to get refinery.sl.o working (i.e. 1st stage of 0sugar impl), and will return to polyol to release it
[16:57] <alsroot> and libjournal as well
[16:57] <lfaraone> alsroot: fair enough, thanks.
[17:02] <dipankar> dfarning, around?
[17:34] <manusheel> ishan: Please go through Sugar Control panel test cases at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_cases_8.2.0#Sugar_Control_Panel
[17:35] <ishan> manusheel sir okay
[17:35] <manusheel> ishan: Info. on sugar control panel can be found at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_Control_Panel
[17:35] <manusheel> mukul: I would like you to go through the above 2 links too ^^
[17:36] <mukul> manusheel sir: Ok
[17:36] <manusheel> mukul: Send you the TA meeting logs too.
[17:37] <mukul> manusheel sir: Ok
[17:55] <mukul> manusheel sir:read the logs
[18:04] <manusheel> mukul: neat.
[18:04] <manusheel> mukul: What did you gather?
[18:05] <mukul> manusheel sir: What I actually packaged was renamed as Turtle Blocks
[18:06] <manusheel> Ok.
[18:06] <mukul> while Turtle Art is actually turtle art mini
[18:07] <manusheel> mukul: Kindly update the package and rename it as Turtle Blocks.
[18:07] <manusheel> mukul: Ok, we'll need to package Turtle Art Mini too. We'll do that in the coming week.
[18:08] <mukul> They are also planning to get a newer 94 version which some changes.I guess James will be looking into that
[18:09] <manusheel> mukul: Sure. We don't need to bother about that at this juncture. We don't have a timeline on that part yet.
[18:09] <mukul> manusheel sir: It has been mentioned by Walter Bender that he doesn't expect Turtle Art to be used
[18:09] <mukul> manusheel, by turtle art i mean turtle art mini
[18:10] <manusheel> mukul: I am not sure on that part. That is why, I'll check and get back to you during the coming week.
[18:13] <manusheel> mukul: Kindly update the Turtle Blocks package today.
[18:13] <mukul> manusheel sir: The source of Turtle Art-93.tar.bz2 file in itself remains to be renamed as turtle art while all that which is diplayed on Sugar after installation is renamed as Turtle Blocks
[18:13] <mukul> manusheel sir: I will surely do that
[18:13] <manusheel> mukul: Great.
[18:14] <mukul> manusheel sir: I suppose I just have to create a new repository which is to be named as sugar-turtleblocks-activity and push my package in it.Will make the necessary changes todday
[18:36] <manusheel> ankur: Hi Ankur.
[18:36] <ankur> hisir
[18:38] <dipankar> bernie, around?
[18:40]  * dipankar needs help in 'detecting network interfaces available through Network Manager'
[18:41] <manusheel> dipankar: This is lunch time. Bernie might not be around.
[18:42] <dipankar> oh no
[18:42] <dipankar> !
[18:42] <manusheel> dipankar: Kindly send an e-mail at USR mailing list. Will ask Bernie to have a look at it.
[19:01]  * dipankar good night all :)
[19:02] <manusheel> ankur: Hi Ankur
[19:02] <manusheel> mukul: Hi Mukul
[19:02] <mukul> manusheel sir: Hi
[19:03] <mukul> manusheel sir: Version 94 of Turtle blocks was updated yesterday as I can see.
[19:03] <manusheel> mukul: Ok.
[19:03] <mukul> I will be packaging it
[19:03] <manusheel> mukul: Need any help on that front.
[19:03] <ankur> neeraj: around?
[19:03] <ankur> hi manu sir
[19:04] <manusheel> ankur: Any help required on the development front?
[19:04] <mukul> manusheel sir: I don't think it has to be any different from what I had done earlier. If there are any technicalities which I am missing, please point it out
[19:05] <ankur> yes, in maintainer feild of the package for which i am creating patch , maintainer team will be Ubuntu Sugarteam ?
[19:05] <bernie> manusheel: I'm around... but I'm having lunch next to the kbd because I'm overwhelmed by work :)
[19:06] <manusheel> bernie: Sure. You need to celebrate this weekend.
[19:06] <ankur> Ubuntu SugarTeam <ubuntu-sugarteam@lists.ubuntu.com> more specifically?
[19:06] <manusheel> bernie: Will send you an e-mail.
[19:06] <manusheel> mukul: I think the steps are the same.
[19:06] <manusheel> mukul: Kindly check with Neeraj if there is any difference.
[19:07] <manusheel> ankur: No, ankur@seeta.in
[19:07] <mukul> manusheel sir: thanks, I will check if I can manage on my own
[19:07] <mukul> manusheel sir: Okay
[19:07] <ankur> no no ,sir, see point 4 in this that is why i got confused : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Howtos/Debdiff
[19:07] <bernie> manusheel: I will celebrate on monday night, after the RC images are released :-)
[19:07] <manusheel> ankur: Yes, please use Ubuntu SugarTeam <ubuntu-sugarteam@lists.ubuntu.com>
[19:07] <manusheel> ankur: right.
[19:07] <ankur> okay sir
[19:08] <manusheel> mukul: Great. Glad to hear.
[19:08] <neeraj> ankur, yes
[19:08] <manusheel> bernie: Neat. You should. Great work on Sugar. keep it up.
[19:09] <ankur> sir was in process of completing the patch. will send it in some time
[19:09] <ankur> i will get it checked first
[19:09] <manusheel> ankur: Sure.
[19:10] <manusheel> That would be great.
[19:14] <bernie> manusheel: :)
[19:47] <ankur> manusheel:  the package i downloaded from debcheckout was  toolkit-.90
[19:47] <ankur> what did i needed to patch?
[19:48] <manusheel> ankur: Your source changes.
[19:48] <manusheel> ankur: Send you an e-mail.
[19:48] <manusheel> From David.
[19:48] <manusheel> Please check.
[19:49] <ankur> manusheel: sir which mail u are refering to?
[19:52] <manusheel> ankur: Let me resend.
[19:52] <lfaraone> manusheel: where are these bug numbers coming from? they are not in launchpad, nor in SL...
[19:57] <manusheel> lfaraone: They are yet to be reported to launchpad or SL. They came from discussions at IRC and an e-mail by David.
[19:57] <manusheel> ankur: Re-send both the e-mails.
[19:58] <ankur> manusheel: sir got it
[19:58] <lfaraone> manusheel: okay, they're from "USR Issue and Tracker"?
[19:59] <manusheel> lfaraone: Ok, I see. David pointed them to us.
[19:59] <manusheel> lfaraone: on IRC.
[19:59] <manusheel> lfaraone: Can you send me the link?
[19:59] <lfaraone> manusheel: okay, so there's a list of them... where?
[19:59] <lfaraone> manusheel: I don't have a link. I'm asking for them.
[20:00] <manusheel> lfaraone: They are in my e-mail right now. Let me send it at USR list serv. I prefer a wiki page for that. Can you develop one for the field issues?
[20:01] <manusheel> lfaraone: After documenting them well, we can add them at the bug tracker.
[20:01] <manusheel> lfaraone: Following the QA cycle process.
[20:02] <lfaraone> manusheel: I think they should probably be reported in a bug tracker *first*, such as http://launchpad.net/usr
[20:03] <manusheel> lfaraone: Yes. This is what I was thinking too. Don't like e-mails for QA.
[20:03] <manusheel> lfaraone: I'll do that at Launchpad.
[20:03] <manusheel> lfaraone: Will ask David to raise bugs at LP too.
[20:03] <lfaraone> manusheel: great. that way we've got transparency in our process, and I can figure out what in the world everyone's talking about.
[20:04] <ankur> lfaraone:  is toolkit renamed to tools?
[20:04] <ankur> i mean
[20:04] <manusheel> lfaraone: Neat. +1
[20:05] <manusheel> lfaraone: Absolutely. Transparency is the key.
[20:05] <ankur> i was able to find it it in lucid but not in maverick branch. IF i need to patch toolkit, what source shuld i find.When i used debchecktou , it gave more advanced version tahn 0.88 , i.e. it gace 0.89
[20:05] <lfaraone> ankur: why would it be renamed to tools?
[20:06] <lfaraone> ankur: you couldn't locate https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-toolkit-0.88?
[20:07] <ankur> well , i dont have idea about that , but i was reading somewhere that toolkits was obsolete.
[20:07] <ankur> oh, i was looking at this  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+package/python-sugar-toolkit
[20:08] <ankur> but couldn't find maverick one.......
[20:08] <ankur> sorry abt that
[20:26] <neeraj> lfaraone, when I run debuild on sugar-0.88 it automatically updates debian/patches directory. I have to update that patch file manually.right? http://paste.ubuntu.com/477586/
[20:28] <lfaraone> neeraj: it automatically makes your changes into a patch, yes.
[20:28] <lfaraone> neeraj: but you should A) be creating patches yourself using quilt, and B) be tagging and naming them descriptively.
[20:37] <neeraj> lfaraone, ok. After creating a patch using quilt, then on LP, I have to submit the *.patch file only?
[20:38] <neeraj> * http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/quilt.html#creating_a_patch
[20:38] <lfaraone> neeraj: no, submit the entire debdiff.
[20:39] <neeraj> Ohk. but then I need to delete the automatically created file in debian/patch..
[20:39] <neeraj> line 16-17 http://paste.ubuntu.com/477586/
[20:40] <lfaraone> neeraj: that file  is not generated if there is a patch created the quilt way that coveres your changes
[20:41] <neeraj> lfaraone, ok. Making changes using quilt.
[21:12] <neeraj> lfaraone, I am have modified the source so that while running emulator in reduced resolution, then all items of control panel becomes visible.
[21:12] <lfaraone> neeraj: cool, how'd you do that?
[21:12] <neeraj> At present they get cropped because of limited horizontal width. For this, I removed the offset margin from controlpanel/gui.py file
[21:13] <neeraj> Now, all items are visible.
[21:13] <neeraj> http://typewith.me/AvPAPKuVGb
[21:13] <neeraj> I am not confused with tagging. I did went through http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[21:19] <lfaraone> Okay.
[21:19] <lfaraone> Why would this fix not be worth submitting upstream?
[21:24] <neeraj> hmm.. I was not sure whether we should send it to upstream or not. :(.
[21:24] <neeraj> *Changing it
[21:26] <lfaraone> neeraj: would people who don't use Ubuntu benefit from this?
[21:26] <neeraj> lfaraone, yes. they will get benefit.
[21:27] <lfaraone> neeraj: then that's a sign to push upstream.
[21:27] <neeraj> lfaraone, here upstream means the debian upstream or the sugar-0.88 main upstream
[21:27] <lfaraone> neeraj: do you think only people who use Ubuntu and Debian will benefit from your fix? Would Sugar as a whole be better?
[21:29] <neeraj> lfaraone, depends.  I mean in we don't run sugar in reduced resolutions every where. Do we?
[21:30] <lfaraone> neeraj: that's correct, but it'd be useful regardless of whether you're using Ubuntu, Fedora, etc, right?
[21:30] <neeraj> lfaraone, right. :)
[21:32] <neeraj> lfaraone, in debian/patches series folder, some patches are comment out and some are not. How we decide it?
[21:32] <lfaraone> neeraj: well, commented out patches are not applied...
[21:34] <neeraj> lfaraone, ok. our patch will not be commented out, as I am applying the changes.
[22:27] <neeraj> lfaraone, http://paste.ubuntu.com/477634/ debdiff file.
[22:27] <neeraj> Do I need to change/correct anything
[22:28] <lfaraone> neeraj: post it to the bug, that's the preferreed way to review a debdiff.
[22:28] <neeraj> lfaraone, sure :)
[22:28] <lfaraone> neeraj: just make sure your report  has the steops to reproduce, etc, clearly written out, and subscribe  me.
[22:29] <neeraj> lfaraone, ok. ishan has already post the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/617582/
[22:30] <lfaraone> neeraj: okay, post it then :)
[22:36] <neeraj> done.
[22:46] <manusheel> mukul: Hi Mukul.
[22:46] <manusheel> Around?
[22:50] <mukul> manusheel sir: I think there is some problem in the latest version of Turtle Art/Block
[22:53] <mukul> manusheel sir: I have tried several times to package the 94 version but there is an error which doesn't seem to evade. I was able to build the package of the 93 version (changed the name to Turtle Blocks) successfully with one lintian warning for which I'm trying to figure out
[22:55] <manusheel> Ok, Mukul.
[22:55] <manusheel> mukul: Post about this issue at USR mailing list.
[22:55] <manusheel> mukul: Copy Neeraj, me and Dipankar on it.
[22:56] <mukul> manusheel sir: I think I have not subcribed to it
[22:56] <mukul> manusheel sir: I have subcribed to debian-olpc
[22:57] <mukul> manusheel sir: Okay,will do that tomorrow morning