[12:28] <Pendulum> hiya
[21:21] <akgraner> woo hoo!  UbuCon happening at Ohio Linux Fest now :-)  \0/ Happy Dance time!
[21:22] <akgraner> time to go play happy band parent and work a concession stand...  (not so happy dance on that one - it's freakin' hot outside :-/)
[21:23] <czajkowski> heh
[21:23] <czajkowski> have fun
[21:24] <pendulum|phone> akgraner: You should see all the gymnastics parents where I'm at now
[21:24] <pendulum|phone> Be glad it's band :p
[21:56] <afr0beatz_> ft\
[22:08] <Austin> hello ladies
[22:18] <MarkDude> Hello boy austin
[22:18] <MarkDude> rly
[22:24] <Austin> wait u can use abbreviation but every one else make a big deal when i do
[22:31] <MarkDude> How about little dude Austin, better
[22:31] <MarkDude> ?
[22:31] <MarkDude> I was mocking you if that was not clear
[22:32] <MarkDude> Quite a few patient people here, I am not one of them
[22:32] <MarkDude> If you are genuine tho, this is a really cool group of people here
[22:32] <MarkDude> No big deal, just try again
[22:32] <MarkDude> Its all good :)
[22:34] <rww> MarkDude: Regardless of the truth of it, http://freenode.net/catalysts.shtml tends to work a lot better than calling people trolls. The latter doesn't really help (if they are, the ops generally can figure that out themselves:), and isn't likely to get them to change their behavior.
[22:34]  * MarkDude will leave that to the reasonable folks
[22:35]  * MarkDude 's Elder Statesman progress can only happen at a certain rate, but, I am trying
[22:36] <maco> MarkDude: shouting "troll!" at people just makes them defensive
[22:37] <MarkDude> Or sometimes like in this case it was a reality check
[22:37] <MarkDude> It appears that i was wrong. And that he may have just been mistaken :)
[22:37] <rww> is best to just not say anything, in my experience. I've had #ubuntu-offtopic ops express frustration in places I can read when I (used to) call people out :)
[22:38] <rww> unless nobody's around and it gets to be a large disruption, and then there's the ops factoid
[22:38] <MarkDude> Being rude - even if unintentional deserves a reaction
[22:38] <MarkDude> IMHO
[22:38] <MarkDude> reasonableness works almost all of the time, not all tho
[22:39] <MarkDude> Especially with men, I have been spoken to about being to uppity
[22:40] <MarkDude> Fact is it is hard for a man to realize what it is like to be called a disrespectful term, unless it happens to them
[22:40] <MarkDude> *reality* even if a small % of the time
[22:40] <rww> some reactions work better than others. some have a net worse effect than not saying anythingg
[22:40] <MarkDude> You are correct on the whole rww
[22:40] <maco> so, next time someone asks "are men allowed here?" the answer is !men
[22:41] <MarkDude> I only reacted after the who sets the rules here
[22:41] <MarkDude> Common sense here
[22:41] <MarkDude> Anyway , are you going to DVLUG tonight
[22:42] <rww> maco: if only there were an xkcd about male feminists. we could make a modified copy of !girls :)
[22:42] <maco> well for now we have...
[22:42] <maco> !men
[22:42] <ubot4`> Yes, men exist within the Ubuntu Women Project.
[22:42] <pleia2> thanks maco :)
[22:43] <nhandler> Keep in mind, both the !men and !guidelines are channel specific factoids for here and #ubuntu-women. They won't work in other channels
[22:44] <MarkDude> Yep, there should be global reminders tho
[22:44] <maco> nhandler: well the normal guidelines one will work elsewhere :P
[22:45] <nhandler> maco: Yes, but it will be different :)
[22:45] <maco> right but elsewhere doesnt need to be told to read ours
[22:46] <maco> i dont *think* !men needs to be global... nobody asks elsewhere whether men are allowed in the channel
[22:47] <nhandler> Agreed
[22:49] <pleia2> might need a !women elsewhere though (yes, women exist on the internet) :P
[22:49]  * pleia2 removes tongue from cheek
[22:49] <rww> we have one :)
[22:50] <rww> !women
[22:50] <ubot4`> The women and men of the Ubuntu Women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.
[22:50] <rww> !girls
[22:50] <ubot4`> Girls exist on the internet. See http://www.escapistmagazine.com/print/17/27 | http://www.xkcd.com/322/ | For more interesting reading: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/
[22:50] <pleia2> oh :)
[22:50] <pleia2> neat
[22:52] <MarkDude> the women factoid should say women & men  that play well together
[22:52] <rww> you and your ampersands :(
[22:52] <maco> MarkDude: that could be misconstrued
[22:52]  * MarkDude went to *Im ok - your ok preschool*
[22:53] <maco> do they not have appostrophes there?
[22:53]  * maco runs
[22:53] <MarkDude> Playing well with others is the ideal, IMHO
[22:53] <rww> your okay what?
[22:53]  * rww also runs
[22:53] <MarkDude> No, but they taught us that that most people are ok, as long as they play well with others
[22:57] <AlanBell> MarkDude: it is always polite to help people find their loco team
[22:57] <MarkDude> yes. that is true
[22:58] <AlanBell> if someone appears to be in the wrong place, then guide them to a more appropriate place
[22:58] <MarkDude> Minus the spelling, the actions now happening are an improvement from the start
[22:59] <MarkDude> Just sayin'
[22:59] <AlanBell> indeed
[22:59] <MarkDude> :)
[23:00]  * MarkDude was set to go on a date a while ago, I was able to look past the spelling on the texting, but, when I saw she did that in email, I was the opposite of stoked
[23:10] <Austin> ed
[23:12] <MarkDude> No biggy Austin . And for the record, I m given a bad time for some of the slang I use.
[23:12] <MarkDude> Even more so from folks in California
[23:20] <Austin> wat slang
[23:21] <Austin> is anyone still here
[23:23] <MarkDude> The slang that I use
[23:23] <MarkDude> dude, stoked, etc
[23:23] <MarkDude> 3rd generation Californian - I am one of those
[23:32] <hypatia> Austin: "wat" is not a word in English
[23:33] <althara> I say "dude" a lot too. And "totally".
[23:33] <pleia2> MarkDude has contagious slang, 5 months here and I end up with "hella" in my vocabulary
[23:33] <althara> I was just going to mention that one. :)
[23:34] <rww> nah, that's a general Californian thing. You'll probably start abusing 'like' soon, too.
[23:34] <pleia2> everyone in the US abuses like
[23:34] <rww> California started it ;P
[23:34] <althara> like totally
[23:36] <MarkDude> Righteous bro, is a phrase I have been trying to eliminate from my vocab
[23:36] <MarkDude> dont forget the word *awesome*
[23:36] <althara> I abuse that one too :)
[23:36] <rww> althara: #ubuntu-california's bot used to be named LikeTotally :)
[23:36] <althara> sweet
[23:36] <MarkDude> I try to use it in the dictionary sense of the word
[23:37] <rww> anyways, we should perhaps shift this over to -women ;P
[23:37] <pleia2> rww: aww, I like that better
[23:37] <althara> I use it sarcastically for the most part
[23:37] <MarkDude> the word dude has like 20+meanings
[23:38]  * MarkDude and my excessive  use of like as a *filler* word