[00:24] hi, i am trying to record using an maudio ozone (external soundcard) as an interface. in the pulse volume control i can see that i am getting a microphone signal, but when i try to use the mic in audacity or skype, no audio is being picked up [00:31] nevermind, i just fixed it === kai_62656 is now known as BDC-kracker [00:58] rebirth: COOL [01:12] how big is the default install of ubuntu studio? and how small a space could i get away with (leaving stuff out, obviously)? [01:13] digitteknohippie: ubuntustudio? [01:13] OH yeah [01:13] i see [01:13] i fit it on a 4gb SD card once [01:13] that was intrepid i think [01:13] i would say if you got 10gb's [01:13] ah cool, that'l be me sorted if i can get away with the same for lucid [01:14] and your recording everything to an external drive [01:14] youd be pretty well set [01:14] i've got a partition just shy of 5gb i was thinking of putting a ubuntu based distro on [01:14] digitteknohippie: plain ol buntu will fit [01:15] and you can just add what you like from the studio packages [01:15] being a creative chap, of course my first thought went to ubuntu studio. i already use crunchbang as my primary distro. [01:15] you got USB boot? [01:16] you could install plain ol buntu to an external drive [01:16] and upgrade it to studio pretty easily [01:17] almost anything you would do in ubuntustudio would require some HD space [01:17] audio/video [01:17] whatever [01:19] yeah, i'll likely put most of my creative apps on my existing crunchbang (which i just dd'd from usb to hd), and tbh, i'm mainly just wanting to install an ubuntu based distro to my small partition, just to fix my boot menu. lol. cos it's the easiest way to do it. ;) [01:19] can you do it from the live CD? [01:19] but it'd b cool if i could get it tight n tidy enough to have a few useful apps in there. [01:19] :/ "do it"? [01:20] fix your boot menu [01:20] i dont plan on using a live cd every time just to boot into existing .... [01:20] oh [01:20] http://gag.sourceforge.net/ [01:20] we'll see. dling ubuntustudio just now, [01:20] * holstein has used that before [01:20] digitteknohippie: ubuntustudio is not a live disc [01:21] FYI [01:21] oh [01:21] you running the newer debian based crunchbang? [01:22] gag seems like overkill. i like things kept minimal n simple. [01:22] * holstein ran the older one based on ubuntu 9.04? i think [01:22] i liked it [01:22] the one i'm curently running is an upgraded ubuntu based. [01:22] was the 9.04, now 10.04. ;) [01:22] OH [01:22] so you can just seach ubuntustudio in synaptic [01:23] if your on the lucid repos [01:23] and see what packages are there [01:23] i usually just get ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins ubuntustudio-controls [01:23] yeah, i know that. i used to use ubuntu studio a few versions back, and have, like i said, already got all my creative apps i need in crunchbang [01:24] right on :) [01:24] i'm more thinking about using it for my tiny partition. [01:24] just incase something happens to one, i have a backup then you see. ;) [01:24] i do tend to fiddle... n that can often break things. [01:24] i hear you [01:25] i always say, your not doing it right til you break everything and have to reinstall [01:25] at least twice ;) [01:25] XD [01:26] i get where you're coming from with that, but i've always also been ken on the idea that a true gnu\linux system, ideally, you never need to either reinstall, nor even reboot, and that it can always be fixed. [01:26] ... of course, in practical terms, it's often easier just to reinstall after a major bork. ;) [01:26] im getting closer to that [01:26] i hope [01:26] as i learn [01:26] yeps, n thats the beauty of it. [01:27] but for now, i can still get into some tight spots really easily [01:27] hands are tied with proprietary software. "not allowed to know that". [01:30] omfg... this looks like it's gonna take more than 2 days to dl [01:30] OH just the iso [01:30] thats strange [01:31] try another mirror [01:31] got another dl on at the moment too, should be better once it finishes [01:31] i usually get the big iso's from ubuntustudio in less that an hour [01:31] yeah, that could be it [02:32] yeah, rolling decent speed now. :) [04:00] o, btw, add xigit [04:00] ^_^ [04:01] hi everyone [04:02] oops, wrong window [04:07] can anyone tell me how can i set up UbuntuStudio tu run in RT? [04:15] loaded: sure [04:15] your interested in running JACK i assume [04:15] xD [04:15] yes i use jack [04:16] have you installed the RT kernel? [04:16] sudo apt-get install linux-rt [04:16] then check out [04:16] !grub2 [04:16] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10. For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [04:16] let me just ask you this 1st? [04:16] when i run jack [04:16] in the display shows RT [04:16] does it mean im using RT already [04:17] or just jack in RT [04:17] ? [04:17] that means JACK is trying too [04:17] are you having any issues? [04:17] Xruns [04:17] sorry for the noobish questions boot im a real noob when it comes to linux [04:17] nah, no worries ;) [04:17] ask away [04:18] in jack control [04:18] when you click on 'setup' [04:18] before starting JACK [04:18] yes.. [04:18] theres a checkbox [04:18] yes [04:18] for realtime [04:18] its RT checked [04:18] checking that just tries t get JACK running in realtime [04:18] ok [04:19] and the generic kernel might be able to do that now [04:19] i know lots of folk here just use the generic kernel [04:19] if your not getting xruns [04:19] or you dont need lowerlatency [04:19] what does xruns mean? [04:19] for soft synths [04:19] or realtime effects [04:19] xrun = bad [04:19] lal [04:19] ok [04:20] something is competing with JACK [04:20] the thing is that [04:20] and JACK is not winning [04:20] if your getting xruns [04:20] is this an internal card? [04:20] i use 2 cards [04:21] AH [04:21] 1 for output [04:21] 1 for input [04:21] nice [04:21] you do some ALSA hacking to get JACK to do that? [04:21] internal SBlive 5.1 [04:21] and external USB edirol [04:21] edirol in [04:21] and SB out? [04:21] yes [04:22] edirol i pug the guitar [04:22] thats probably pretty nice actually [04:22] *plug [04:22] great idea [04:22] and let the SB do all the outs [04:22] the reason why im asking [04:22] about RT [04:22] is really concerning the sequencer [04:23] they advise to use either RT or blackbox, fluxbox etc [04:23] since i dont know how to run any of those x managers [04:23] you use a proprietary graphics driver? [04:23] i might try seting up RT [04:23] nvidia? [04:23] yes [04:23] hmmm [04:23] thats an issue [04:24] the RT kernel doesnt like that [04:24] 192 if im not mistaken [04:24] let me check (its the desktop pc) [04:24] let me look at something [04:24] ... [04:25] nvidia 195.36.24 driver [04:26] loaded: OK [04:26] you got a couple options [04:26] theres another kernel [04:26] linux-lowlatency [04:26] yes [04:26] sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency [04:26] BUT [04:26] i have no idea how that one works with the nvidia driver [04:26] we know generic is fine [04:27] and i know the RT one from the repo is not [04:27] there is a PPA [04:27] the one witht the repo is not with prop driver or in general? [04:27] the guy that does http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/ [04:27] cause ill change the driver [04:27] falktx [04:28] has a PPA [04:28] https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid/ [04:28] BUT [04:28] there is a LOT more than just a kernel in there [04:28] humm [04:28] you'll get quite a bit of updates [04:28] you can use PPA purge if something gets borked [04:29] let me ask u again [04:29] i use PPA purge in http://ubuntu-tweak.com/ [04:29] the RT in the repo [04:29] BUT falk has patched that RT kernel for the nvidia driver [04:29] its called linux-realtime [04:29] the issues are just with nvidia drivers [04:29] loaded: yeah [04:29] ah ok [04:30] the other option [04:30] so if i chenge the driver to open source one [04:30] just roll with the kernel you got [04:30] and dont sweat it [04:30] i can get the Rt from the repo with no probs? [04:30] loaded: thats my understanding [04:30] i see [04:30] i havent tried going back and forth like that [04:30] i just use the nv driver [04:31] BUT that should be the case [04:31] but again, sequencing is relatively light-weight [04:31] compared to other tasks [04:31] well [04:32] if you dont need low latency [04:32] and your OK with the lag [04:32] lol [04:32] im not [04:32] just relax your JACk settings a bit [04:32] OH [04:32] yeah, if you want to actually PLAY a softsynth [04:32] it aint funny playing guitar and getting the sound 1 sec latter [04:32] you need sub 10ms latency [04:32] yeah, that too [04:33] loaded: what latency are you getting? [04:33] 20ms+? [04:33] somewhere in there? [04:33] a bit more maybe [04:33] let me check [04:33] i think i can really start to hear it around 15ms [04:33] 14 maybe [04:34] i think if you can get around 5-8 ms [04:34] might be do-able [04:34] loaded: AH [04:34] another option [04:35] http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html [04:35] ^^ that is a live distro [04:35] with an RT kernel [04:35] debian based [04:35] a lot of the same software really [04:35] you could just burn that and try it with your hardware [04:35] before you start really tweaking [04:35] to see if an RT kernel is worth the effort [04:40] ok just installed RT from repo [04:40] xDDDDDDDDDDDDD [04:40] using rakarrack with 3ms [04:41] niceeeeeeeeeee [04:41] using a sample rate of 44100 [04:42] SWEET [04:42] rakarrack is awesome [04:42] @ 96000 is runnig @2.6 [04:43] wow [04:43] that i did not expect [04:43] btw im still using the prop driver on the gcard [04:43] yeah, the generic kernel has come along way [04:43] BUT [04:43] u recon i should change it [04:43] you cant push it like that [04:43] loaded: hmmm [04:44] i say, if it aint broke [04:44] but just be aware [04:44] you should be able to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf from a recovery console [04:44] and change the driver to nv [04:44] anyways [04:45] Transmogrifox hangs out over in #opensourcemusicians [04:45] ive spoken with him today [04:45] xD [04:45] and of course #rakarrack [04:45] gave me lots of usefull info [04:45] yeah, good people [04:45] idd [04:46] i still need to compile rak new version since 0.4.2 its outofdate [04:46] guess it wilol improve a lot sound quality [04:46] *will [04:47] you checking out the looping function? [04:47] tks for the help holstein [04:47] loaded: anytime [04:47] looping function [04:47] ?? [04:47] where @? [04:47] rak? [04:47] loaded: in rakarrack [04:47] yeah [04:47] the git version [04:47] nah man [04:47] the 'testing' branch or whatever [04:47] i havent started to compile the new version yet [04:48] rak is GREAT [04:48] im @ my laptop so i need to switch to desk to do that [04:48] anyways [04:48] good luck [04:48] tks man [04:48] let us know how it goes :) [04:48] ho i will [04:48] i have some stuff recorded [04:49] but ill do a re recording using the new version [04:49] if you want [04:49] the guys in #opensourcemusicians will play your stuff on the show [04:49] its silly how much $$$ one had to spend b4 these projects came along [04:49] really [04:49] ??????????????? [04:50] show? [04:50] its a nice community over there [04:50] tell me more pls [04:50] podshow [04:50] growing listenership [04:50] they do a podcast? [04:50] check them out when you get a chance [04:51] http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/ [04:53] can i spam my music page here ? [04:54] altho the recordings were done in Win Apps? [04:54] xD [04:55] loaded: SURE [04:55] ok [04:56] i got some that i made with cubase [04:56] gonna switch over to the desktop [04:56] brb [04:56] not too long ago [05:00] hi again [05:01] http://www.myspace.com/solaromegavermelho [05:02] hey:) [05:02] funny thing [05:02] i keep earing a flicker [05:02] in the background [05:02] since ive done the RT change [05:03] yup [05:03] it dont like it [05:03] ;) [05:03] any thoughts of what might be? [05:03] OH [05:03] hearing [05:03] yes [05:03] i thought the screen was flickering [05:04] my bad [05:04] nah sound [05:04] hmmm [05:04] <<<< poor english skills [05:04] xD [05:04] nah, your good :) [05:04] im not sure what that would be [05:04] it sounds like a far away metronome [05:04] i dont use the RT kernel without JACK really [05:05] hmmm [05:05] u can switch RT and normal through grub? [05:05] yeah [05:05] oh [05:05] i see [05:05] sudo gedit /etc/default/grub [05:05] nice [05:06] do [05:06] #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 [05:06] add that # [05:06] to that line [05:06] and then run sudo update-grub [05:06] after saving and exiting [05:07] and you'll get too choose [05:07] its blank wth? [05:07] did you type it in right? [05:07] did i type it in right ;) [05:07] ubuntu 10.04 right? [05:07] i just ran a locate on grub [05:08] no show on /etc/default [05:08] hmmm [05:08] did you upgrade all the way from hardy or something? [05:08] can it be grub.d? [05:08] used to be [05:08] i did [05:08] but i would have though you would have grub2 [05:08] anyways [05:08] upgrade from jaunty [05:08] yeah [05:08] check out [05:09] !grub [05:09] grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards. [05:09] i forget how to do it for the old grub [05:09] oh k [05:09] you might not need to [05:09] 1 sec [05:09] if you see the list [05:09] ?? [05:09] at boot [05:09] yes.. [05:09] just use the arrows [05:09] and pick a different kernel [05:09] wich one will it be [05:09] the RT one [05:10] i mean? [05:10] it'll be obvious [05:10] ok [05:10] something-generic [05:10] or something-RT [05:10] k [05:10] and those are the only ones you have [05:10] no i have more [05:10] thats for sure [05:11] well the only 2 types [05:11] you probably got a ton of -generic ones ;) [05:11] upgrading from jaunty [05:11] thats awesome [05:11] maybe [05:11] * holstein is glad to know that worked well [05:12] gonna check out ubutoo´s tip [05:12] why is that [05:12] ? [05:12] should have done a clean install? [05:13] loaded: nah [05:13] if it worked, thats great [05:13] well [05:13] some folks have issues [05:13] so far so good [05:13] i did a couple of test upgrades [05:13] and it worked well for me [05:13] appart from the latency.....wich is solved tks to u guys all is good [05:13] :) [05:13] xD [05:14] * holstein friended you on myspace [05:14] cheers [05:14] anyway [05:14] u guys obviously know lots of working with linux [05:15]