[00:24] also issues with jovie [02:00] Sput: *shrug* post-reboot it works [02:00] Sput: sorry for the scare [02:45] maco: good :) === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [06:26] maco: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ [06:26] Riddell might enjoy it too [06:27] Burnistoun S1E1 - Voice Recognition Elevator [06:40] valorie: HAHAHAHAHAHAH [06:41] :-) [06:41] me too! [06:59] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100814055930-haywb2xsegwpvkoc * src/libs/ (4 files) documentation++ [07:00] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100814055949-4ty6ues644anmlw0 * src/libs/ (SyncDaemonFilesystem.cpp SyncDaemonFilesystem.h) add factored-out filesystem stuff (:S) [07:00] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100814060021-8uktn9uxoobthakq * src/libs/ (CMakeLists.txt SyncDaemonStatus.h) do not export SyncDaemonStatus and do not install its header! [07:14] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100814061419-tdka26kqibtjg1pl * src/libs/ (7 files in 2 dirs) SyncDaemonStatus becomes Status since it really is a type and not an interface, yet the previous name suggested interface (all messed up I say) [07:35] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100814062127-l9qzy3xbcosoalli * src/libs/ (8 files) make include guard names more explicit [07:36] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100814063547-cq77ty8kw6fj75jh * src/libs/ (Folder.h Share.h Status.cpp Status.h) Get rid of all the flipping setters in Status and more importantly do not use it when marshaling!!! Instead manually get the d ptr (possible because of friendship) and access the members directly [07:37] dang, you are a workhorse, apachelogger! [07:38] I am sick... and yet you think I am a workhorse ^^ [07:38] * apachelogger must be indeed [07:39] apachelogger: fell sick? I find that's the best time to code. [07:39] not if you feel like sleeping all day long [07:39] hm, true. [07:40] which is what I did all of tuesday and wednesday [07:40] lucky. [07:40] I wish I could sleep before 0000 on *one* day. [07:41] I'm sorry to hear you are ill, apachelogger [07:41] * valorie gets you some virtual tea [07:41] and cookies [07:41] * apachelogger hugs valorie and nigelb [07:42] * valorie hugs apachelogger and nigelb [07:42] * nigelb hugs apachelogger and valorie [07:42] group hug!!!!! [07:42] love all around :) [07:42] * valorie is trying to schedule a global jam [07:42] now I know the reason for the article which said about our attitude being "kumbaya-or-else" [07:43] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100814064239-rjo07wypeg9filoo * src/statusnotifier/StatusNotifier.cpp fix restart icon (well, really workaround) ... system-reboot is too systemy, so use view-refresh in lack of options [07:43] no singing unless it's in the shower [07:43] or ... in tune! [07:44] * valorie dares a sane person to sing along with [07:44] * valorie is listening to Dig Ophelia by Rasputina on Thanks for the Ether [Amarok] [07:44] valorie: I'm talking about http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-07-30-028-35-OS-CY-UB [07:44] oh, Carla [07:44] <3 [07:45] seriously, I love her [07:46] "In my grumpier moments their relentlessly positive, cult-like Kumbaya-or-else approach makes me want to turn the hose on them. " [07:46] lol [07:46] hahaha [07:46] well, she can be grumpy [07:46] me too! [07:46] lol [07:46] kumbaya-or-else [07:46] I like that mantra [07:46] * nigelb too [07:47] * apachelogger proposes it to become official kubuntu mantra [07:48] oh [07:48] we are getting a new board? [07:48] soon we have enough boards so that every contributor can be on at least one board so everyone can feel happy [07:49] lol [07:49] app reivew board... wnder how the whole idea is going to work out. [07:50] oh dear [07:50] that thread is too long [07:50] also ScottK spoke my mind in his first reply already ^^ [07:51] though granted, the proposed board (other than adding another possibibility for members to get on a board) forms a more monolithic approach to get-software-into-kumbaya-or-else-buntu than what we have right now [07:52] I wonder how any process would be working out with that large an agenda though [07:52] code review alone would require an own dedicated team IMHO [07:52] not to mention that this becomes almost impossible with the billion languages out there [07:52] * valorie proposes a board to administer some boards [07:53] apachelogger: which is one problem. We can never have a group that can code review every app. [07:53] valorie: I think the tech board does that [07:53] soon we'll have Kafka singing Kumbaya [07:53] :-) [07:53] or the community board (or whatever it is called) for non-tech stuff [07:54] we could code review C++, just not JontheEchidna or me, I am afraid software authors would get annoyed with the bitching about code style :/ [07:55] I dunno into how much detail they would review [07:55] JontheEchidna: on that note ... namespaces are evil, they make the code look silly and introduce a whole new set of style questions [07:55] whether it would be the entire code or just licenses and if it breaks everything else [07:55] like do I add an empty line between namespace brackets and their content [07:56] nigelb: well, that is no code review, that is a license review really [07:58] apachelogger: I initially got the feeling whether it was going to be just a REVU review kinda thing [07:58] behaviour question: ubuntuone-kde will not autostart unless you once started it manually, you can turn this off again by various means... now the question is should it turn autostart on each time the user starts it manually or just the first time? [07:59] only this time it would go into current release rather than development version [07:59] fun picture for you y'all http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs310.snc4/40854_10150248059425258_623250257_14307592_2894366_n.jpg [08:00] Birthday cake for a friend. I like the writing :) [08:00] ^^ [08:00] oh, rekonq creash #5 [08:00] haha [08:00] but it should be Qt [08:00] unless they mean QuickTime [08:01] haha [08:01] Riddell: maybe I am using it wrong but I do not see how rekonq is stable now [08:01] :-) [08:01] surely more stable than before the meeting [08:01] but still way too crashy [08:01] it is so NOT stable [08:01] crashes constantly [08:01] aye [08:01] and unless you are focused on a page as it's loading [08:01] you get no scroll bars [08:02] and you lose them as soon as you change focus [08:02] * apachelogger had not noticed that one ^^ [08:02] effing annoying [08:02] oh dear, fb just annoyed me with 13 mails :x [08:02] well, from what I gather rekonq is not meant to be used with multiple tabs anyway ^^ [08:02] I'm in Lucid until global jam [08:02] apachelogger: hey dude. do you know where i can find the newest builds of libqoauth-dev? [08:02] in maverick [08:02] wth, who would use an untabbed browser? [08:02] !info libqoauth-dev maverick [08:02] libqoauth-dev (source: qoauth): Qt-based client implementation of the OAuth authorization scheme. In component main, is extra. Version 1.0-2ubuntu3 (maverick), package size 31 kB, installed size 160 kB [08:03] valorie: that is not the point :P [08:03] apachelogger: is there any backport for lucid? [08:03] ooops, I mean: kumbaya [08:03] :-) [08:03] eMyller: I don't think so, feel free to request one [08:04] * eMyller requests libqoauth-dev to be backported to Lucid. [08:05] don't you have to file a bug for that? [08:05] hm [08:05] * valorie is just learning the rules around here [08:05] at next UDS we could gather around and sing kumbaya-or-else ^^ [08:05] record that as video [08:05] then make [08:05] http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/about-kubuntu-1.ogv [08:05] with that video [08:05] it would be epic [08:06] eMyller, valorie: there is a formal process for that stuffs [08:06] apachelogger: +1 [08:06] usually it will just be best to poke a minion to do it [08:06] shadeslayer: ^ [08:06] :P [08:06] hahaha [08:06] especially the person quietly growling "or else" and shaking a whip [08:07] haha [08:07] http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=qoauth&searchon=names&suite=maverick§ion=all :\ [08:08] ohm [08:08] that is interesting behaviour [08:08] so rekonq creashed [08:08] *crashed [08:08] lol, apachelogger [08:08] but I did not restart it [08:08] so now I clicked that link [08:08] rekonq opens and restores the crashes session [08:08] so far so good [08:08] and then it goes and replaces the first tab of the old session with the new url?!?!!? [08:08] it sometimes does successfully recover [08:09] I'll give it that [08:09] that's..... [08:09] leaves you in a mixed up whirl of anger and thankfulness [08:09] you've been rekonqed! [08:12] haha [08:12] so will rekonq be in maverick? i heard of many goes-n-backs already. [08:13] available, from what I hear [08:13] but not the default [08:13] * valorie crosses fingers that this is so [08:14] unless they fix it up a LOT [08:14] quickly [08:15] well, someone needs to make it undefault :P [08:15] Riddell said that he found it less crashy since we decided to drop it [08:15] maybe we should revisit this in an ad-hoc meeting some time soon [08:15] still very crashy. [08:16] I hope everyone took their vote on http://kde-apps.org/poll/index.php?poll=256 already? [08:16] but I mean, it's on KDE apps [08:17] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100814071631-1zbhr3dk6fjc00td * src/statusnotifier/Application.cpp less todo - always set autostart to true on startup, sames as we offer to turn it off at manual quit [08:17] \o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/xiaozhuli/3784846061/in/set-72157601821594666/ [08:20] opendesktop sites still have an horrible usability. :\ [08:20] I was never able to make an account there [08:20] Seriously, how do I vote? [08:20] rather buggy, at the very least [08:20] [ bear with me, it's 4:20 am ] [08:21] oh, I mean; kumbaya [08:21] lol [08:21] hahah [08:21] ~np [08:21] np: [08:21] hmmm [08:21] kumbaya-or-else... [08:21] * valorie is listening to Octopus's Garden by The Beatles on Love [Amarok] [08:21] * valorie sings eMyller to sleep..... [08:22] * eMyller falls asleep [08:22] that is an awesome lullaby [08:23] oh, Ringo..... [08:23] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100814072334-7979fufnfqpdgd8c * src/libs/ (SyncDaemon.cpp SyncDaemon.h) this is a proper I-have-no-idea-commit [08:25] apachelogger: http://whatthecommit.com/ :D [08:27] "omg what have I done?" is my favorite [08:27] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100814072722-rdsqu4ba6w3ltrre * src/kcmodule/FolderModel.cpp Sarah, WE WENT OVER THIS. EXPANDTAB. [08:27] love it [08:28] haha [08:29] * nigelb wonders who Sarah is. [08:29] * apachelogger wonders too [08:30] lol [08:35] I've been thinking about developing a new IM client for KDE [08:35] I want to follow Quassel's core-client structure [08:36] Sarah Kerrigan, Queen of the Blades? [08:36] a monolythic version + core and client, for people like me :P [08:36] anyone interested? [08:37] The project, called Psyko, exists in my mind (and some others') for some months already, but we don't have enough time to develop. :\ [08:44] interesting idea [08:53] valorie: yea :D [08:54] i wish i had time for all this stuff [08:54] but i don't like IDEs and templates... [08:55] also i've never developed a desktop app (i'm a web dever) [08:55] so i may spend more time than i expect. [08:57] * apachelogger is wondering if the Quassel protocol could be enhanced for other messaging protocols [08:58] then again I dunno how far the protocol goes anyway ^^ [08:59] if it also includes authentication and that stuff, looking into that might be a worthwhile effort [08:59] I think that they're completely different branches [08:59] the protocol structures, i mean [08:59] well, you would want to streamline them anyway [08:59] otherwise you end up reimplementing the actual protocols [09:00] i was looking forward a framework like telepathy or libpurple [09:00] yeah [09:00] i'll look into its source [09:00] and kopete's [09:00] kopete's source is scary ^^ [09:00] i imagine. :\ [09:00] and I do not only mean the code style [09:00] kopete is so obscure in its UI [09:01] so guess how it looks inside. [09:05] that said, I want to look into it again for getting a proper Google Talk protocol anyway ^^ [09:12] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100814081156-3da2qabqbm1g7vex * src/share/ContactSelector.cpp (\ /) (O.o) (> <) Bunny approves these changes. [09:13] haha [09:13] apachelogger: you took whatthecommit seriously, uh? :P [09:14] for me it does not get more serious than bunny approved [09:14] it is a fluffy dev's dream [09:20] * apachelogger hates README writing -.- [09:20] makes me more tired than I am already [09:20] :/ [09:20] oh [09:20] Tonio_: bonjour, ca va? [09:20] * eMyller still needs to learn to document after code. [09:21] you document first, then code :P [09:21] I have a dead project because I didn't documented it. [09:21] apachelogger, hey :) [09:21] ** document right after [09:21] unless you are apachelogger, then you document half the stuff before, half the stuff after and forgot 90% :P [09:21] or before, yea [09:21] haha [09:22] Tonio__: you sure are a rare guest ^^ ... busy life? [09:24] haha, apachelogger -- did you know you are referred to in aaron's big blog post? [09:24] http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2010/07/having-made-our-beds-we-now-lie-in-them.html [09:24] "despite our love for KDE, GNOME, Ubuntu, Red Hat, Suse and/or fluffy bunnies we must each hold aloft a common goal that trumps all else: F/OSS must succeed." [09:24] I have not made my bed yet :/ [09:24] lol [09:25] ah [09:25] uh [09:25] fluffy bunnies ^^ [09:25] heeeee [09:25] really good post! [09:26] quite the best in the entire dustup Shuttleworth<>Gnome<>RedHat [09:26] aaron always causes a TLDR on my side [09:26] 'tis long [09:26] * valorie read it in bits [09:26] then again anything that cannot be said in one sentence is mostly too long for me ^^ [09:27] haha [09:28] also, usually I agree with him anyway, so he just says what I would say but with more words [09:28] except code [09:28] code mustnt be read :P [09:28] ah, maybe that's why I never understand [09:28] * apachelogger also doesnt read code, he only jumps through it to get some points to hold on too ;) [09:28] silly me, reading [09:28] if code must be read it is bad code [09:28] or bad namaing [09:28] *naming [09:29] or both [09:29] you don't do that (*^&^%$%{{++(&^&^ kind, do ya? [09:29] because.... [09:29] oh my [09:30] that would be invalid anyway :P [09:30] hahaha [09:30] I should hope so [09:30] although a million monkeys, with a million typewriters [09:30] etc. [09:31] (*foo)->bar(&foobar); maybe [09:31] bar, that one I understand [09:31] ^^ [09:31] * valorie pours the whisky for all and sundry [09:32] * apachelogger is almost done writing a readme, so he can go back to bed [09:32] sleep well, and feel better! === yofel_ is now known as yofel [09:34] apachelogger, yeah... many things in the process... not much motivation... can change, but I have other priorities in my life than computing right now [09:37] *nod* [09:38] Tonio___: you are part of the family anyway, its not like apachelogger did a whole lot these days ^^ [09:38] ah, hold on, thats me... :S [09:38] * Nightrose huggles apachelogger [09:39] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100814083835-ivb2oytnvb0vrjv6 * README tagging release w.t.f. [09:39] Anybody, tell me the name I should give to a new color scheme, please. [09:39] * apachelogger rehuggles Nightrose [09:39] eMyller: "w.t.f." [09:39] apachelogger: perfect. [09:39] eMyller: or teabag (if it looks anything like tea) [09:40] or "fez" [09:40] come to think of it [09:40] soon in your nearest GHNS: "w.t.f. grey edition" [09:40] JontheEchidna, maco: we need a fez color theme [09:40] eMyller: uhh, that sounds indeed perfect... [09:40] wellz [09:40] * apachelogger goes to bed for a bit [09:40] o/ [09:40] apachelogger: define 'fez' [09:40] part of a cone you put on your head [09:40] http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Fez [09:41] and they are red, right? [09:41] Grey Fez [10:36] Please check your GHNS on colore schemes. :) [12:27] apachelogger: lol [12:28] apachelogger: id love too... in case i get sponsored to UDS :) [12:43] eMyller: new color scheme \o/ [12:43] from you! :P [12:45] * shadeslayer pokes Riddell to promote linphone libs to main [12:48] bug 595173 [12:48] Launchpad bug 595173 in linphone (Ubuntu) "[MIR] linphone" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595173 [13:29] anyone around? Select Best server is broken again in kpk [13:30] last few lines of konsole o/p when clicking on the button http://pastebin.com/Jns8SW7X [13:43] amichair: poke poke [14:07] oooohhh danti has done some awesome work with kpk === amichairo is now known as amichair [15:10] whee i fixed it [15:10] fixed what? === solid_liq is now known as CodeGuru === CodeGuru is now known as solid_liq [15:57] hey guys I want to display an array of RGB values on screen. Do you know know a library for that [19:19] apachelogger: around? [19:19] shadeslayer: roger [19:20] does Select Best Server work for you? [19:20] also kde bug 247861 :( [19:20] KDE bug 247861 in general "FindDocBookXML cmake can not handle DTDs more recent than v4 2" [Normal,Resolved: invalid] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=247861 [19:21] Traceback (most recent call last): [19:21] File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/softwareproperties/kde/DialogMirror.py", line 189, in on_button_test_clicked [19:22] self.connect(self, SIGNAL("test_end(str*)"), self.on_test_end, Qt.BlockingQueuedConnection) [19:22] TypeError: type 'str*' is not supported as a slot argument type [19:22] python \o/ [19:22] yep [19:22] im trying to fix [19:22] but im getting a headache [19:22] it's probably expecting a qstring [19:23] if you remove str* and the variables passed to the functions it works, but the gui doesnt get updated [19:23] shadeslayer: what is select best server? [19:23] heh [19:23] JontheEchidna: so is that usage of qstring intentional indeed? [19:23] if you remove the str it won't pass the data [19:23] * apachelogger is wondering where that sudden change of feelings came from [19:23] apachelogger: in kpk > Edit settings >Choose Sever > Other > Select Best server [19:23] I never ever used that option [19:23] JontheEchidna: thought so [19:24] shadeslayer: what is with that kde bug? [19:25] Nightrose: I almost can tag l10n in the release script rewrite \o/ [19:25] apachelogger: many of our packages are ftbfs because the docbooks are < v4.2 [19:25] cmdline args are completely missing as of yet :( [19:25] shadeslayer: what docbooks are < 4.2 if upstream says all their docbooks are compatible with 4.2? [19:25] and now because of that bug, we can expect that unless upstream releases new docs [19:26] one sec [19:26] apachelogger: wohooooo [19:26] apachelogger: kplayer for starters [19:26] http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~lucas/ubuntu-nbs/32/kplayer_1:0.7-0.5ubuntu1_lubuntu32.buildlog [19:26] can I please not get nbs logs [19:26] all I have seen thus far were bogus [19:27] kdiff3 [19:27] that one is a true ftbfs [19:27] because docbook is in 4.1.2 [19:27] our docbook? [19:27] no upstream docbook [19:27] I recon that the failure is index.docbook:32: warning: failed to load external entity "dtd/kdex.dtd" [19:28] er... what does that mean? [19:28] that it faile dot load the entity? [19:29] *failed to [19:29] the reason is not obvious from the log [19:29] /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksgmltools2/customization/dtd/kdex.dtd [19:30] I gather that has nothing to do with the bug report you highlighted [19:30] since it was complaining about the find script only looking for 4.2 stock dtds, not KDE dtds [19:32] * JontheEchidna wtfs: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/53697601/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.kubuntu-debug-installer_10.10ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [19:32] you broke my debug installer? Oo [19:33] heh [19:33] puzzling, since muon built: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/53697479/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.muon_1.0-0ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz [19:33] JontheEchidna: main vs. universe? [19:33] ah, right [19:33] libqapt1 needs promoted [19:34] it should be in archive mistmatches already, since qapt-batch deps on it (and it's on the CD) [19:34] Riddell, ScottK^ [19:36] kdenetwork is ftbfs too because linphone isnt in main :P [19:36] or the part which we want isnt in main [19:39] whee... today is our independence day ^_^ [19:48] shadeslayer: happy independence day [19:48] :) [19:49] apachelogger: kdelibs now in LP thanks to jelmer :D [19:49] sweet [19:51] JontheEchidna: any idea what needs to be done to fix that? [19:51] ( the select best server ) [19:52] JontheEchidna: libqapt1 moved to main [19:52] shadeslayer: linphone bits moved to main [19:52] awesome [19:52] can you retry kdenetwork? [19:58] done [19:59] thanks :D [20:04] shadeslayer: nope [20:05] Riddell: thanks [20:05] well Riddell must know... he wrote the file :P [20:06] amichair rewrote the find best server funtion recently. He might know [20:06] hes not around :( [20:08] Last seen : now << amichair is hiding from us [20:08] I see his name in the nicklist just fine... [20:09] * shadeslayer stares at amichair [20:09] me2 [20:10] * apachelogger is wondering about how to address a modular distributed argument creation/parsing approach :/ [20:13] Riddell: what did you move to main? :D [20:13] or does it take some time to get moved? [20:29] uh [20:29] * apachelogger might have an approach for opt parsing [20:37] hm [20:38] * shadeslayer is at a loss at what to do [20:39] how did that happen? :O [20:39] i dont have anything to do :P [20:39] that is nonesense [20:39] well.. i could work on the plasma JJ... but im not in the mood [20:39] shadeslayer: triage bugs :P [20:40] hmm... or i could write a article on kubuntu for my magazine [20:40] or that [20:40] i choose latter [20:40] easier :p [20:41] pfff [20:41] so [20:42] * apachelogger is feeling way too sick to do useful things [20:42] yet there is so much to do :( [20:44] * apachelogger considers watching chitty chitty bang bang a viable alternative and probably supportive of him falling asleep quickly [20:53] apachelogger: there should be no issue if i package kdesupport as a one whole package right? [20:53] kdesupport and kdesupport-dbg [20:56] shadeslayer: shoulder there should [20:56] kdesupport is not one package [20:56] shadeslayer: in neon you can do so [20:56] yes i know [20:56] in general not :P [20:56] for neon [20:56] :D [20:56]