[00:19] <devildante> can someone confirm and triage https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/617044?
[00:19] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 617044 in gdm (Ubuntu) "gdmsetup unlock screen doesn't show what is done (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[00:28] <yofel> actually, the button does nothing here (running KDE right now) :/
[00:28] <yofel> ** (gdmsetup:17596): WARNING **: Failed to unlock: The name org.gnome.DisplayManager was not provided by any .service files
[00:28] <devildante> yofel: that's another bug :P
[00:28] <yofel> well, it prevents me from confirming yours :P
[00:29] <devildante> yofel: isn't the screenshot enough to confirm?
[00:29] <yofel> well 'An application' is certainly very descriptive...
[00:30] <yofel> what's written under 'details' ?
[00:31] <devildante> no, I meant that it should show a primary message, just like software-center/aptdaemon do
[00:32] <devildante> like "Authentication is required to modify login settings" in bold
[00:33] <yofel> well right, I'll confirm the bug for now,
[00:37] <devildante> sorry for disconnect :(
[00:40] <devildante> yofel: thanks for confirming :)
[00:40] <yofel> np, bed time for me
[00:40] <yofel> gn
[00:42] <devildante> gn :)
[07:20] <rajatkhanduja> I've applied for an Ubuntu Member but haven't received any reply in this regard. .. .how long can it take to get a reply?
[07:21] <rajatkhanduja> *applied for Ubuntu **MENTOR** not member
[07:21] <kermiac> rajatkhanduja: do you see your name at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors/Students  ?
[07:22] <kermiac> ah, you're the second last name.. right?
[07:22] <rajatkhanduja> kermiac, yes I do... .Rajat Khanduja
[07:24] <rajatkhanduja> kermiac, the name's there..but how long can it take for a reply?? Pretty eager to get started
[07:24] <kermiac> rajatkhanduja: have you done everything outlined at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors (under the "How To Request a Mentor" heading)
[07:25] <KE1HA> During the the last meeting, they discussed this with the Mentors, and have seen several notes coming out but with the upcoming release of 10.4.1, the bug Mentors are pretty busy.
[07:25] <rajatkhanduja> kermiac, yes I think I did everything as mentioned...once I forgot to give the link to my wiki page..but then I re-applied (as the first application was rejected)
[07:27] <kermiac> rajatkhanduja: how long ago did you apply? also, there are only a limited number of mentors & I know that there are a few students who have requested a mentor that are still waiting to be assigned
[07:28] <kermiac> rajatkhanduja: please feel free to get started by reading the "how to triage" documentation. Ask any questions you may have in here & if someone is around who knows the answer they will help you
[07:29] <rajatkhanduja> kermiac, yes I did read the documentation .. and also tried triaging some bugs .. I shall continue with that until i get a mentor..thank u ..
[07:30] <kermiac> ok rajatkhanduja, please don't hesitate to ask any questions you may have... Thanks for helping!
[07:30] <rajatkhanduja> kermiac, btw I had applied around 18 july
[07:31] <kermiac> rajatkhanduja: what is your launchpad id?
[07:31] <rajatkhanduja> ~rajatkhanduja13
[07:31] <kermiac> thanks
[07:39] <rajatkhanduja> rypervenche : ok
[08:17] <njin> hello everybody
[08:21] <zus> hi nkin
[08:21] <zus> njin,
[08:21] <zus> lol it's late here
[08:22] <njin> zus, here 9.22 AM
[08:22] <zus> 3:22 am here
[08:22] <njin> zus:good night
[08:22] <zus> i was about to log off and seen ya said  hello.  figureed i would say hi back
[08:22] <njin> zus:good morning
[08:23] <zus> lol it's  kind of both at moment
[08:23] <njin> ;-)
[08:53] <njin> hello, hitting alt/tab in metacity or compiz, monitor start to flashing, is only a my bug ?
[08:54] <njin> *alt+tab
[10:20] <yofel> njin: about [10:26:39] <njin> why, at the end of a bug page if i hit report another bug it link to the wiki page?
[10:21] <yofel> that's because that link goes directly to the launchpad bug filing page, without adding the 'no-redirect' option to the link, and as a normal user you get redirected to the wiki page in this case
[10:21] <yofel> as you generally shouldn't file bugs this way
[10:21] <yofel> so that's intentionally, not an issue with launchpad ;)
[10:22] <njin> yofel: hello, yes is a feature, because if i start from a page assigned to ubuntu and ask to report another bug it link to the wiki page, well
[10:23] <njin> thanks for explication
[10:24] <njin> yofel, are you experiencing the alt+tab bug ?
[10:24] <yofel> I don't use gnome and kde works fine (maverick)
[10:24] <njin> ok, thanks
[11:41] <vish> om26er: snap! that was fast ;)
[11:42] <om26er> vish, I have hawks eye on my emailbox ;)
[11:44] <vish> om26er: yeah , looks like he was in a hurry to get it sponsored :)
[11:46] <vish> om26er: if we had another 10 more people like him, we might probably have lesser bugs.. ;p
[11:46] <om26er> vish, the other bugs 'freenode as default irc' when empathy 2.31.90 releases that patch should be removed and a one line version should be added
[11:47] <vish> om26er: yeah..
[11:48] <om26er> we have to edit 'irc.gimpnet.org' to 'chat.freenode.net' and tada its fixed
[11:56] <penguin42> A bug of mine has been converted to a support tracker; I disagree - what's the right way to turn it back to a bug  - bug 404670
[11:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 404670 in ubuntu "Can't reload alsa modules because pulse won't die (affects: 2) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404670
[11:58] <devildante> hi all :)
[12:00] <penguin42> Hi DD
[12:19] <njin> help i don't understand what he wrote https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/405890
[12:19] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 405890 in ubuntu "Bad color choice in virtual console when running screen (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[12:22] <penguin42> hmm not sure how you get load average in screen - perhaps it's a config option
[12:22] <jfi> I guess that's the bottom lines of byobu
[12:23] <njin> penguin42: click on convert to a bug
[12:24] <jfi> by default it using darkgray on yellow for me
[12:24] <penguin42> I guess the question is whether it's really byobu he's using or if he has some other screen config
[12:25] <jfi> maybe asking for a screenshot will ease the understanding?
[12:25] <njin> well, thanks boys i reply as not described well
[12:25] <penguin42> njin: No!
[12:25] <njin> why
[12:25] <penguin42> njin: Because someone who understands screen would ask better questions
[12:26] <penguin42> njin: I would ask specifically if he is using normal screen or byobu and what his screen configs are
[12:26] <njin> ok
[12:27] <penguin42> njin: It's not that clear a report, but after a bit of thought I can see the type of problem he has but don't understand exactly the config - so one to ask more info, not to tell them off for an unclear report!
[12:30] <njin> Penguin42: no, i would use the stock option to request a major precision in the description
[12:31] <penguin42> njin: and I'm saying that would still be wrong given that it just needs some specific info
[12:31] <penguin42> njin: Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean that others can't get most of the idea
[12:32] <njin> penguin42: ok, then i ask him if it using a normal screen or byobu
[12:33] <njin> penguin42:thanks
[12:33] <jfi> I am sure that by default screen does not display uptime
[12:33] <jfi> s/uptime/load
[12:40] <penguin42> jfi: Yeh I'm fairly sure you're right, I  assume you could configure screen to do it somehow? (is there a .screenrc or the like?)
[12:46] <yofel> penguin42: there is, mine's empty though as I use byobu which has the configs in .byobu/
[12:47] <yofel> penguin42: about your bug, press 'Convert back to a bug'
[12:48] <njin> yofel: then the bug is confirmed ?
[12:48] <yofel> well, I do remember fighting with PA for the same reason once, can be worked around by disabling autspawn in /etc/pulse/client.conf
[12:50] <njin> yofel: i was talking about the screen
[12:51] <njin> yofel: ok for PA
[12:51] <yofel> hm, I'm still reading it, sec
[12:53] <yofel> hm, well, without a screenshot I can't really tell what he means, I would suspect he meanst the byobu info bar too, but my configuration is different from the defaut and it's completely fine here
[12:54] <yofel> and vim has more than one color sheme too...
[12:54] <penguin42> a screen shot or his .screen config (although since it's console it's going to have to be a camera!)
[12:56] <njin> or probably after one year ha cames to a solution ;-)
[12:58] <njin> penguin42: ok for your bug, i forget the workaround, sorry
[13:00] <jfi_> hum, miss that is using console, when using console the colors are clearly horrible and readable
[13:01] <jfi_> (not readable)
[13:02] <njin> jfi: in lucid package ?
[13:02] <jfi_> no, I have run in the maverick console to a server using 9.04
[13:02] <jfi_> I mean, I open a ssh byobu connection to a 9.04 server using my 10.10 desktop
[13:02] <njin> jfi, better, then can you confirm this ?
[13:04] <jfi_> I cannot confirm the bug, the color issues is not concerning the load but the cpu frequence and memory info
[13:04] <jfi_> is there a way to "screenshot" a console except using a camera?
[13:05] <penguin42> not easily
[13:05] <jfi_> well, I am going to search where I put my camera so:)
[13:06] <penguin42> you can copy the textual contents (cat /dev/vcs0 etc) and if it's framebuffer based there maybe a way of doing it, but I don't know how
[13:13] <jfi_> my camera fails to take the photo... focus does not work....
[13:16] <njin> pressing Alt+Tab with some apps opened you screen flahes ?
[13:18] <njin> jfi_: what i have to do to reproduce then i take the photo
[13:19] <njin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/617752
[13:19] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 617752 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) "Pressing Alt+Tab screen flashes (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[13:19] <jfi_> njin, control+alt+f2 then login then start byobu
[13:20] <njin> jfy_ok
[13:23] <jfi_> http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8293/byo.png
[13:24] <jfi_> the color issue is the gray on cyan and green (Ghz, GB, %) which are not readable
[13:24] <jfi_> I guess than the same kind of issues that he wants to report
[13:26] <njin> jfy_: can i use your photo to ask him, my phome makes it all blank
[13:27] <jfi_> yes you can use the photo as you want, I don't plan to use any commercial copyright :-)
[13:27] <njin> LOL, thanks
[13:32] <kermiac> can someone pls confirm who can set "Expired" status
[13:33] <jfi_> njin, maybe you should attach the photo and not link it to imageshack, I am not sure that imageshack keeps files
[13:34] <yofel> kermiac: everyone, but it's only settable with launchpadlib or by email
[13:34] <njin> ok
[13:34] <kermiac> ah, that answers my question... Thanks yofel :)
[13:35] <yofel> kermiac: I have a script to set it for a specific bug if you want it https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/+junk/lp-scripts
[13:36] <kermiac> thanks yofel, I'll check it out. Should we mention that you need to use launchpadlib or email interface to set this status at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[13:37] <yofel> kermiac: probably, can you add one?
[13:38] <kermiac> yofel: yup, I'll add it
[13:38] <yofel> thanks :)
[13:38] <kermiac> also, before I do... should we mention "opinion"? is that official yet or still too experimental to be added
[13:39] <yofel> no idea, I wouldn't mention it for now (I didn't hear anything final myself yet)
[13:41] <kermiac> yofel: ok, sounds reasonable. I haven't heard anything official either, but I'm seeing more and more people use it
[13:41]  * kermiac pings vish - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/08/14/%23ubuntu-bugs.html#t07:20
[13:43] <vish> kermiac: hmm , yeah, there is no one in that slot similar to stlsaint , maybe we should make that clearer on the wik
[13:43] <vish> i
[13:46] <kermiac> vish: ok mate. perhaps we could email them asking if they are available at other times or willing to workaround the issue by asking whoever is around in here for any "immediate" questions & asking less urgent or general questions via email... I don't know how else the timeslot issues can be worked around
[13:48] <vish> kermiac: yeah , i'm updating the wiki with that info..
[13:48] <vish> kermiac: but kinda not sure about the whole program or what to do,..  since some of the mentors on the wiki are not really willing to mentor either  :(
[13:49] <vish> hggdh: too..^
[13:49]  * vish will probably not be assigning mentors for a while  :s
[13:51] <vish> kermiac: a few mentors like yourself are eager , but some no matter how much we try to poke them to keep the program on track seem to get pissed .. so not really sure :s
[13:52] <kermiac> vish: I don't know what to do about that... I think that the mentorship program is a great idea. plenty of people seem to be able top bitch & moan about new triagers making mistakes, this is the perfect way to help solve that issue
[13:52] <kermiac> sorry about the language, I'll tone it down
[13:53] <vish> kermiac: np..  its hard to tone it sometimes  ;)
[13:55] <kermiac> vish: it is, but I still apologise... I'm one of the first people to mention keeping things "G" rated. I was just talking to someone about a swear helmut a few minutes ago haha
[13:56] <bilalakhtar> vish: Which mentors are you and kermiac talking about?
[13:58] <vish> bilalakhtar: well the mentors know who they are, so, not really needed to call them out ;)
[13:59] <bilalakhtar> vish: You meant bug mentors, packaging mentors or which TYPE of mentors?
[13:59] <vish> bilalakhtar: you can guess that by the channel are you in.. ;p
[14:00] <bilalakhtar> vish: Really? Are there bug mentors in reality? like bdm<tab>
[14:00] <kermiac> bilalakhtar: I wasn't talking about anyone in particular, I was simply making a *very* general observation
[14:01] <bilalakhtar> kermiac: I have been caught making over-simple observations about people
[14:02] <bilalakhtar> kermiac: once, I commented on the insistance of DDs to clean packages of errors while the packages they make might be having hundreds of errors
[14:02] <bilalakhtar> Insistance of DDs to clean packages THEY Sponsor of errors
[14:02] <bilalakhtar> not their own
[14:02] <bilalakhtar> this sparked off a large debate on #ubuntu-motu
[14:03] <gorilla> DDs ?
[14:03] <bilalakhtar> gorilla: Debian Developers
[14:03] <gorilla> bilalakhtar: Ahhh.
[14:04] <kermiac> bilalakhtar: I see your point, but i still stand by my general observation. Obviously not everyone can be "tarred with the same brush" & I don't want to "make a mountain out of a mole hill" but I was just making a very generalised observation that the mentorship program is a great way to help guide new triagers in the right direction instead of simply complaining that mistakes are made
[14:05] <bilalakhtar> To be clear, I never told you anything, kermiac
[14:06] <KE1HA> Just a general question, until us non-mentored students get our act together, what's the best way to help with bugs, without causing additional work for somebody else?
[14:08] <kermiac> KE1HA: find a package that you're familiar with & try to reproduce bugs... you can look through the triaging guide (see the topic) & ensure that bug reports have enough information such as the relevant log files, package version numbers, etc to be able to reproduce the bug
[14:09] <KE1HA> kermiac, that's one thing I've seen allot of, "not enough information" so I've been talking allot of notes on that one.
[14:09] <kermiac> KE1HA: also remember, if in doubt please feel free to ask someone in here for help :)
[14:11] <KE1HA> kermiac, the problme fer me was  / is to a large extent, figuring out how to get all the info properly, particularly when apport is not available to pull it.
[14:11] <vish> kermiac: what bugs me is that , its a simple thing , people can get busy and no one is forced to be a mentor!.. like for example, greg--g, he was busy and he marked himself as not available, simple aint it? is that so difficult for a person to do .. *sigh* ... they know they are on the list, pedro_ has mailed them too,they get the mail that they have a student assigned, but still they just want to have the best of both worlds or whatever reasons they
[14:11] <vish> are being callous ...
[14:12] <vish> and they are active too..
[14:12] <vish> anyways.. </rant>
[14:12]  * kermiac hugs vish
[14:12] <vish> :)
[15:19] <Thomas_Bates> Can someone help me file a bug (I was told if the update/upgrade did not work, I should file a bug on the situation). I've no idea what package, best I can do is give a link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9718649&posted=1#post9718251
[15:21] <devildante> Thomas_Bates: ndiswrapper is for wifi, not for all windows drivers
[15:22] <Thomas_Bates> ndiswrapper was something I was told to try
[15:22] <Thomas_Bates> Read further, I did not continue using it.
[15:27] <devildante> from  what I've seen, you want to mount in /mnt, but you're looking in /media. Try: "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" and look in /mnt
[15:32] <Thomas_Bates> Yes, I've done that.
[15:32] <Thomas_Bates> It does show "usbstick"
[15:32] <Thomas_Bates> however, that isn't the name of the device
[15:33] <Thomas_Bates> Nor is the folder the device
[15:36] <devildante> you mean, there's nothing in "usbstick"?
[15:36] <Thomas_Bates> No,
[15:36] <Thomas_Bates> For one
[15:36] <Thomas_Bates> The file has a 288 GB free space
[15:37] <Thomas_Bates> Not a flash drive...
[15:37] <Thomas_Bates> But I have tested it to see if files placed there show when I put the flash drive in my laptop
[15:38] <devildante> Thomas_Bates: I read you somehow lack permissions for flash devices. Can you put them back?
[15:39] <Thomas_Bates> Yes, it is somehow only one drive. I have both an 8GB flash drive, an external HDD, and then the drive that is not showing. Somehow, the *GB flash drive has now doesn't like me.
[15:40] <Thomas_Bates> I have permissions for all drives, minus that one.
[15:40] <Thomas_Bates> An error somewhere.
[15:40] <penguin42> sorry, I missed the start of this discussion
[15:40] <Thomas_Bates> I've done nothing to transfer permissions, so I've no idea how it changed.
[15:40] <penguin42> Thomas_Bates: So you plug this drive in, it shows up (with the wrong name) and you can't write it - correct summary?
[15:41] <Thomas_Bates> No.
[15:41] <Thomas_Bates> The drive in question doesn't show up at all, on this computer.
[15:41] <penguin42> ah ok
[15:41] <Thomas_Bates> I have another drive, which is throwing a tantrum.
[15:41] <penguin42> Thomas_Bates: Does it show up on lsusb ? WHen you plug it in what does dmesg show?
[15:42] <Thomas_Bates> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9718649&posted=1#post9718251
[15:42] <Thomas_Bates> Should be somewhere near the middle after assorted tricks #ubuntu and I tried
[15:43] <Thomas_Bates>  ah
[15:43] <Thomas_Bates> http://pastebin.com/gdKV44e0
[15:44] <Thomas_Bates> that was last night, if you need an updated one, I'm happy to oblige
[15:44] <penguin42> ok, so I guess the Seagate RSS LLC is that drive
[15:44] <Thomas_Bates> No, that would be my external, which is functioning correctly.
[15:45] <penguin42> ah ok, so what make/model/size is this drive?
[15:45] <Thomas_Bates> updated: http://pastebin.com/qruPEeQa
[15:46] <Thomas_Bates> well heh, I bought it from ThinkGeek, it is actually an 8GB drive in the watch. http://www.xonixe.com/products/USBWatch/spec.php  Watch X-UL
[15:46] <devildante> penguin42: an usb watch :P
[15:46] <Thomas_Bates> My computers both meet requirements (Linux 2.0 or higher)
[15:46] <penguin42> erm right, a usb watch ....
[15:46]  * Thomas_Bates actually needed one, despite your thoughts.
[15:47] <penguin42> Thomas_Bates: OK, so do an lsusb with and without it plugged in - is there any difference at all? (I can't see it in that list); also take a dmesg before plugging it in and then after plugging it in - again, what lines get added
[15:51] <Thomas_Bates> without drive: http://pastebin.com/CxdjW8PH  with drive: http://pastebin.com/40Jt4rgA
[15:51] <Thomas_Bates> I can't fit DEMSG, it cuts off the entire thing
[15:52] <penguin42> have you got a before and after dmesg?
[15:52] <penguin42> you could just take the diff
[15:52] <Thomas_Bates> No, I mean it is cut off.
[15:52] <Thomas_Bates> In terminal
[15:53] <penguin42> odd
[15:53] <Thomas_Bates> There is too much, I scroll all the way back up and it is in the middle of displaying things
[15:53] <penguin42> do dmesg > before  then plug it in and do dmesg > after   and you should have two files
[15:53] <penguin42> called before and after
[15:53] <penguin42> well the good thing is it shows up in the lsusb
[15:54] <Thomas_Bates> I don't think your getting me...
[15:54] <Thomas_Bates> It cuts off the display in terminal, because there is too much
[15:54] <Thomas_Bates> I can't give you a complete dmesg
[15:54] <Thomas_Bates> before, or after.
[15:54] <Thomas_Bates> the last few lines are all USB related, however
[15:55] <Thomas_Bates> these are the last few: http://pastebin.com/Jh9D8LA7
[15:56] <penguin42> Thomas_Bates: But what I mean is if you do   dmesg > afile   it'll put it all into a file rather than the terminal
[15:56] <Thomas_Bates> hmm
[15:57] <Thomas_Bates> That gives me a syntax error,
[15:57] <Thomas_Bates> hold on
[15:57] <penguin42> put a space before and after the >
[15:57] <Thomas_Bates> ...
[15:57]  * Thomas_Bates did.
[15:58] <penguin42> odd that really shouldn't give an error
[15:58] <Thomas_Bates> it is the location
[16:00] <Thomas_Bates> there we go
[16:01] <Thomas_Bates> Before Drive: http://pastebin.com/BCAMjK0N  After: http://pastebin.com/VRmkbiNa
[16:01]  * Thomas_Bates goes to Kompare
[16:02] <penguin42> hmm curious
[16:02] <penguin42> ok
[16:02] <njin> hello, someone using kubuntu can take a look at this ?https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/406403
[16:02] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 406403 in ubuntu "task manager always group even when the "only when taskbar is full" is checked (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[16:03] <Thomas_Bates> lines 926-948
[16:03] <penguin42> hey? That one only goes upto 925!
[16:03] <Thomas_Bates> odd
[16:03] <Thomas_Bates> I'll get you the difference
[16:04] <penguin42> the one at ...Na finishes with 925 [ 3537.048171] usb-storage: device scan complete
[16:05] <Thomas_Bates> these are the lines it is having an issue with apparently http://pastebin.com/YQxqJpgf
[16:07] <penguin42> Thomas_Bates: OK, that's not good - did anything happen between 3537.048171 and the 3558.100731 that starts with?
[16:07] <Thomas_Bates> uhh
[16:08] <penguin42> the last entry in your previous paste bin is the 3537, the 1st one in that is 3558 - hence I wondered what's missing
[16:08] <Thomas_Bates> hmm
[16:08] <Thomas_Bates> Hold on
[16:11] <Thomas_Bates> Ok, I had to redo it because the generic names got me mixed up. Between without and with the drive, these are the only files that differ, and they differ withdrive http://pastebin.com/K421Nuda
[16:13] <penguin42> right, now that's the same as the first diff you showed, but the one at your ...pgf had much more errors in
[16:13] <penguin42> ok, 1st obvious one from those errors - unplug the drive, quit rhythmbox, make sure it's quit, and plug the drive in and see what happens -
[16:14] <Thomas_Bates> Is there a reason a media player would effect an empty USB drive...?
[16:14] <penguin42> it shouldn't unless the firmware is broken in the drive; but you can see in that log a complaint about a scsi command issued by rhyhtmbox
[16:15] <Thomas_Bates> rbox is quit, drive is plugged in
[16:15] <Thomas_Bates> interesting.
[16:15] <Thomas_Bates> That is quite odd.
[16:16] <Thomas_Bates> 8.5GB File System and something called "usb1" (which is pictured as a drive, unlike the other) have appeared in the places menu
[16:16] <Thomas_Bates> 8.5 File System won't open. usb1 takes me to /media/usb1
[16:17] <penguin42> promising
[16:17] <Thomas_Bates> Indeed it is
[16:17] <Thomas_Bates> How very peculiar.
[16:17] <penguin42> so does that work or just get further?
[16:17] <Thomas_Bates> Well
[16:18] <Thomas_Bates> Normally, I can click on the thing that says xxGB File System, and it takes me there, but I guess this has the same effect
[16:18] <Thomas_Bates> Let me put a file in and plug it into my other comp and see if it works
[16:18] <Thomas_Bates> permission denied
[16:18] <Thomas_Bates> bah
[16:19] <penguin42> ok, do a df, a mount and a udisks --enumerate and pastebin the output
[16:20] <Thomas_Bates> btw, it says "unable to mount location: Internal error: No mount object for mounted volume
[16:20] <Thomas_Bates> alright,
[16:20] <penguin42> ok, now it's in that state get a dmesg
[16:21] <penguin42> Thomas_Bates: Is this plugged straight in or via a hub, and if it's a hub is it a powered hub?
[16:21] <Thomas_Bates> currently, it is plugged into the actual computer, through an extender
[16:21] <penguin42> by an extender you mean just a normal cable or do you mean something that's special?
[16:22] <Thomas_Bates> nah, cable
[16:22] <penguin42> ok
[16:22] <Thomas_Bates> here is that, http://pastebin.com/YNMYiaVn
[16:22] <Thomas_Bates> Now you want another Dmesg?
[16:22] <penguin42> yeh
[16:23] <penguin42> well the output of df, mount and udisks looks ok, assuming usb1 is the device in question
[16:24] <Thomas_Bates> http://pastebin.com/uHZ2yGj6
[16:24] <Thomas_Bates> I believe it is
[16:24] <Thomas_Bates> Unless the other one has wiped my graphs off of it, in which case I'll be raging
[16:26] <penguin42> ok, well that looks happy enough
[16:26] <Thomas_Bates> alright
[16:27] <Thomas_Bates> hm
[16:27] <penguin42> so if it's just permission denied, try a sudo -s and see if you can write to it as root ?
[16:27] <Thomas_Bates> I can sudo move stuff in there
[16:27] <Thomas_Bates> just not in nautilus
[16:28] <Thomas_Bates> I think I can chown or something, but eh
[16:28] <penguin42> ok, well so that drive obviously doesn't like whatever rhythmbox did to it
[16:28] <Thomas_Bates> I'm fine with sudo mv or cp
[16:28] <Thomas_Bates> yeah
[16:28] <Thomas_Bates> I suppose to use it I'll have to kill rythmbox
[16:28] <penguin42> With it mounted try doing a chmod a+rwx /media/usb1 or whatever it's called
[16:28] <Thomas_Bates> I wonder if a different player will have the same effect
[16:28] <Thomas_Bates> ok
[16:29] <Thomas_Bates> Ops not permitted
[16:29] <penguin42> Thomas_Bates: I think it's most likely faulty firmware in the drive that's not recovering something properly
[16:29] <Thomas_Bates> alright
[16:29] <penguin42> it could be something rhythmbox is doing that is nasty, but I guess a scsi expert would have to pick over the command and see whether it was fair
[16:29] <Thomas_Bates> The driver which came with it was for Win98, which freaked me out a tad
[16:31] <penguin42> I'm guessing that's just adding usb disks to 98 or the like
[16:31] <penguin42> usb storage should just work !
[16:31] <Thomas_Bates> Probably, what shocked me was that people still use Win98
[16:32] <Thomas_Bates> Apart from things which it is good for, I mean
[16:32] <Thomas_Bates> si
[16:32] <penguin42> I doubt many do, but I guess it's a stock CD from somewhere
[16:33] <Thomas_Bates> Probably
[16:33] <Thomas_Bates> I changed permissions with sudo chmod, but I'm still getting a permission denied.
[16:33] <Thomas_Bates> And without sudo, it says Op denied
[16:34] <penguin42> weird
[16:34] <Thomas_Bates> Yep
[16:34] <Thomas_Bates> But I'm happy it is working at all
[16:37] <penguin42> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB has a thing about permissions
[16:38] <Thomas_Bates> Between my lappy and my desktop, it mounts differently. I know I messed with FSTAB on the desktop
[16:38] <Thomas_Bates> thanks
[16:40] <penguin42> but I'm fairly sure I've heard of other with permissions on flash drives
[16:41] <Thomas_Bates> Yeah, so have I, just never had them myself.
[16:42] <Thomas_Bates> I am just wondering why, rather than mounting as the CBM name, it is mounting the folder it is supposed to be mounted to
[16:42] <Thomas_Bates> It is still writing to the device, so it doesn't really matter
[16:42] <Thomas_Bates> I just find it odd
[16:49] <Thomas_Bates> Thanks for the help penguin, it is much appreciated, I'm going to make some changes and reboot
[16:49] <penguin42> no problem
[17:51] <devildante> penguin42: thanks for helping thomas :)
[17:53] <yofel> does anyone know if there's a reason why there aren't any -dbgsym packages for -backports ?
[17:54] <penguin42> devildante: No problem
[18:08] <njin> help, in plymouth, sametimes appear the phrase: Checking of drives. i want to know at wich package assign the translation of this phrase? thanks
[18:10] <yofel> I *think* mountall
[18:10] <yofel> let's see if that's translatable..
[18:10] <njin> njin huges yofel
[18:13] <yofel> njin: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/mountall/+pots/mountall/ I think
[18:13] <yofel> that's for maverick
[18:16] <njin> yofel:thanks, looking
[18:25] <njin> yofel: strike, thanks
[18:36] <njin> yofel: at wich package assign ati restricted?
[18:37] <njin> yofel: we don't support propritary driver, right ?
[18:39] <yofel> source package should be fglrx-installer
[18:39] <yofel> well, we do support it, we can't fix driver crashes obviously
[18:42] <njin> yofel: then in this case we cannot fix the problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/407167
[18:42] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 407167 in ubuntu "black spaces and spots displaying in various parts of the desktop (affects: 1) (heat: 9)" [Undecided,New]
[18:43] <penguin42> njin: I'd make sure it's reported against the fglrx-installer package though - then the guys who maintain that can think about it
[18:43] <penguin42> njin: But that is an old bug (9.04) so it's worth asking if it still does it
[18:45] <njin> ok, i assign to fglrx-installer asking if still present with latest packages
[21:42] <njin> there's a reason because from 2.6.31.11 is not possible charge phones means battery ?
[21:42] <njin> *means Usb
[21:44] <njin> i'm connected again '
[21:44] <njin> ?
[21:45] <njin> penguin42: there's a reason because from 2.6.31.11 is not possible charge phones means Usb ?
[21:47] <penguin42> depends on the phone - some of them a bit odd, also can depend on power budget on each port; don't know of any specific kernel versionism
[21:47] <njin> pok, i've a nokia and a bug with a nokia
[22:13] <MichealH> \o
[22:46] <njin> goodnight everybody, see you soon