[00:02] <well_laid_lawn> try starting it in terminal   totem /path/to/movie
[00:03] <pcrequest> after installing xubuntu 10.4 to xp machine (chose dual boot), get something like, no such partition
[00:03] <pcrequest> grub rescue>  .  i'm currently booted into live mode.  i can use gparted to see where OS's are.  i'm reading up here now: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Command%20Line%20and%20Rescue%20Mode
[00:03] <teunvD> andyn: batchbuffer is a set of instructions to the GPU, is your graphics card configured properly?
[00:04] <teunvD> andyn: also did apport offer to send a bug report?
[00:06] <andyn> ok, back here. running from cli crashed it again.
[00:06] <teunvD> andyn: do you have an intel graphic card?
[00:06] <andyn> apart from appending i915.modeset=1 to my kernel config line i've had to no configuration so far
[00:07] <andyn> yes, a gm852-something
[00:08] <teunvD> andyn: you might want to try a different video player
[00:09] <andyn> is it totem that crashes the laptop or the video driver?
[00:09] <teunvD> not sure, but there is a bug report on this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/555573
[00:09] <teunvD> you might want to add your information to it
[00:10] <andyn> btw, apport didn't offer to submit anything. after the reboot xfce just brings up an old x session
[00:14] <teunvD> Can't find anything else then that bug report, you can try asking in #ubuntu-bugs
[00:15] <andyn> thanks, i'll try to find a workaround for the time being
[01:03] <andyn> had to downgrade to vesa drivers
[01:04] <andyn> but that required disabling KMS
[01:04] <teunvD> but it works now?
[01:04] <andyn> which in turn forced me to revert to good old 915resolution
[01:04] <teunvD> no school like the old school
[01:05] <andyn> it does work now
[01:05] <andyn> however, i still need to figure out how to run those 915resolution commands early enough in the boot
[01:05] <andyn> apparently rc.local is too late
[01:06] <andyn> as the desktop starts into 1024x768 instead of 1280x800 for the first login
[01:07] <andyn> in addition to that i only need to figure out how to disable xfce sessions altogether
[01:10] <teunvD> you can set your resolution at boot by appending /boot/grub/menu.lst with 'vga=[resolution]'
[01:10] <teunvD> making it look something like this at the bottom: "kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.16-1-k7 root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=[your resolution]"
[01:11] <andyn> no, console resolution is not the problem
[01:13] <andyn> the problem is that i need to patch the buggy intel video bios with 915resolution before starting x, because in video rom there is 1280x801 instead of 1280x800
[01:13] <andyn> and thus the largest video mode the chipset will support will be 1024x768 without patching
[01:15] <teunvD> in that case your question is out of my league, sorry. I'll do some searches in a min
[01:16] <teunvD> you also might want to ask this in #ubuntu, more people there to help you
[01:17] <andyn> the people there were those who directed me here in the first place
[01:30] <teunvD> I see, any luck with the resolution?
[01:31] <andyn> putting those scripts into rcS.d/ broke something, i'm trying to find an alternate way
[01:46] <mek||malloc> Howdy folks. I just setup an NFS server on one of my machines and I'm trying to connect to it from an xubuntu client. Would someone be willing to explain how I could mount the shared directory via the cli or some gui application?
[01:46] <mek||malloc> It seems easy enough in gnome but I'm not exactly how to do it over xcfe
[01:49] <teunvD> mabey this can be of help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=249889
[01:49] <teunvD> maybe*
[01:50] <mek||malloc> Thank you very much teunvD. I'll take a read.
[03:30] <meeeee> hi
[03:31] <meeeee> I had a question can u run xubuntu 9.10 on orig xbox
[03:32] <meeeee> further if I can run 9.10 on xbox will that run boxee
[03:35] <meeeee> hello
[03:35] <meeeee> does anyone chat here?
[03:36] <well_laid_lawn> this channel is for support but there is lots of channels for chit-chat
[03:36] <well_laid_lawn> !channels
[03:36] <meeeee> well laid I had a support
[03:37] <meeeee> question
[03:37] <well_laid_lawn> ask away then meeeee :]
[03:37] <meeeee> can u run xubuntu 9.10 on orig xbox and if so can I then run boxee on it
[03:39] <AndChat-> My cable modem only connects if its fully ready b4 I boot my PC(any OS). Can I use linux to tell it I just rebooted (without actually rebooting)
[03:39] <well_laid_lawn> meeeee: I think there is an xbox channel - one min
[03:40] <well_laid_lawn> meeeee: I was wrong it seems - and I know nothing about xboxs
[03:42] <meeeee> ok thanks
[03:43] <well_laid_lawn> AndChat-: if noone here knows someone in #ubuntu might
[03:47] <well_laid_lawn> AndChat-: err which modem is it?
[03:49] <AndChat-> Cisco 2100 Cable Modem. Behaves the same with USB or LAN cable. ISP is suddenlink
[03:51] <well_laid_lawn> AndChat-: does restarting the network help?
[03:51] <AndChat-> How wouls I restart the network?
[03:52] <well_laid_lawn> depends on the xubuntu version
[03:52] <well_laid_lawn> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart or   sudo restart network   iirc
[03:53] <AndChat-> I have 10.04
[03:53] <well_laid_lawn> sudo restart network   is worth a shot :]
[03:55] <AndChat-> Neither helps, but /etc...nw restart responded
[03:55] <well_laid_lawn> k
[03:58] <well_laid_lawn> AndChat-: it might not have paused before starting again long enough - you could try   sudo ifconfig eth0 down && sleep 10 && sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[04:00] <AndChat-> Ahh haa, man restart eventually lead 2 "initctl restart network-manager". Fixed! Thank you
[04:02] <well_laid_lawn> np :]
[04:03] <AndChat-> I wonder if this will work within my virtualbox xubuntu guest to fix windows at work?
[04:03] <well_laid_lawn> I couldn't say
[04:04] <AndChat-> I hope not, I would want my boss thinking that windows was fixed
[04:05] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[04:05] <AndChat-> Would NOT ,rather
[04:55] <KE1HA> Hello all, quick question for you if I may. Where / How can one identify all the default Desktop Applications (aside from manually counting them) that are installed as defaults at installation?
[04:56] <bazhang> dpkg -l  ?
[04:57] <KE1HA> hey bazhang how you doing. This is to support the Desktop-Testing QA activities, as there'e very little by way of Test-Cases and I need to work up a new model.
[04:57] <KE1HA> would that give me just he Desktop apps ?
[04:57] <bazhang> KE1HA, output that to a text file then?
[04:57] <bazhang> desktop apps?
[04:58] <KE1HA> Ok, Im zsync-ing the latest xub-iso at the moment, will give that a shot.
[04:58] <KE1HA> Yes, Desktop, all the applicaitons that are installed as defaults, we need to write test-case for them.
[04:59] <KE1HA> All the apps under Applications, Systems and the defaut Desktop managing tools.
[05:01] <KE1HA> The Tree down to Accessories, Games, Graphics, Internet etc etc. All of those need Test-Cases, to the Desktop-Testing-team can test them before each realese. And at the monent, Xubuntu has a blank slate.
[06:58] <Cr0p> hi @a;;
[06:58] <Cr0p> all**
[06:59] <Cr0p> can anyone help me? 0.0
[07:00] <psycho_oreos> !ask | Cr0p
[07:00] <well_laid_lawn> Cr0p: it all depends on the prob... :]
[07:00] <Cr0p> okay
[07:01] <Cr0p> i came here yesterday, i had a prob installing xubuntu 10.04.. kernel compatibility issue
[07:02] <Cr0p> they told me to get 8.04 and i did so.. burnt it carefully and now as i load my xubuntu livecd without installing, it says "Kernel panic - not synching: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(140,0)"
[07:03] <Cr0p> before this error I'm told exactly to sepecify the "root=" in my boot options.. :/
[07:03] <well_laid_lawn> is that the generic or i386 kernel?
[07:03] <Cr0p> i386
[07:03] <psycho_oreos> have you checked the md5sums on both 8.04 and 10.04?
[07:03] <Cr0p> yep.. still with this annoying issue
[07:04] <Cr0p> some says it can also come from ACPI, APIC OR SPLASH
[07:04] <psycho_oreos> have you tried getting usb flashdrive and put it on there via unetbootin?
[07:04] <well_laid_lawn> or tried   noapic nolapic   as boot options?
[07:05] <Cr0p> well.. my BIOS is old.. so I am booting from a cd in my external DVD-writer connected via USB
[07:05] <Cr0p> noapic i tried.. as soon as kernel finished loading, my laptop restarted
[07:05] <well_laid_lawn> k
[07:06] <Cr0p> i'm used with acpi=off in all the distros i've used
[07:06] <well_laid_lawn> booting from a usb cd drive is something I've never tried
[07:06] <psycho_oreos> why not boot from usb flash drive? it could be a poorly burnt media
[07:07] <Cr0p> well, there's nothing much different.. i only specify to boot from "removable device" in my BIOS boot priority
[07:07] <psycho_oreos> plus there's a bootup option to examine the disc, have you tried that?
[07:07] <Cr0p> check the disc?
[07:07] <Cr0p> I did so.. on both 10.04 and 8.04
[07:07] <well_laid_lawn> older bioses mostly don't have the boot from usb option
[07:08] <psycho_oreos> yes, there should be an entry under the bootup menu and what were the results?
[07:08] <Cr0p> yeah... no option to boot from USB.. and i'm not so willing in flashing my BIOS
[07:08] <Cr0p> :/
[07:08] <well_laid_lawn> yet it starts the cd - menu shows?
[07:08] <Cr0p> i did that early 1am this morning.. let try to remember...
[07:09] <KE1HA> cody-somerville, You around ?
[07:09] <Cr0p> everything is fine.. it starts the cd menu extremely fine.. i got the options fine.. i just specify acpi=off remove the quiet boot option and off i go
[07:09] <Cr0p> and soon
[07:09] <Cr0p> i get the PLEASE APPEND "ROOT=" TO YOUR BOOT OPTIONS
[07:09] <Cr0p> and the "Kernel panic - not synching: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)"
[07:10] <psycho_oreos> its an issue with the burnt media, the disc itself or the drive itself
[07:10] <psycho_oreos> and how much memory are we talking about on this device?
[07:11] <Cr0p> what device?
[07:11] <well_laid_lawn> so after acpi=off add ROOT=/dev/sda1 or whereever you put xubuntu
[07:11] <psycho_oreos> your laptop or whatever you're installing xubuntu onto
[07:11] <Cr0p> i feel really weird in hearing it may be an issue with my dvd writer.. as i got slax burnt perfectly..
[07:11] <Cr0p> sda1 would be?
[07:12] <Cr0p> i found by default they specified "root=/dev/hda1"
[07:12] <well_laid_lawn> mostly now it is sd**
[07:12] <psycho_oreos> slax is not as big as xubuntu, iirc it only takes up 300 odd megs, so if you look at the burnt media it would have only written half of it on the inside
[07:13] <Cr0p> yeah.. slax ain't that big.. around 200-300mb but.. i burnt twice 8.04 and 10.04
[07:13] <Cr0p> on different brand of cds
[07:13] <Cr0p> with different programs
[07:13] <Cr0p> namely NERO and IMG-BURN
[07:13] <psycho_oreos> but using the same BURNER right?
[07:13] <Cr0p> unfortunately YES
[07:13] <psycho_oreos> point taken
[07:14] <Cr0p> but
[07:14] <Cr0p> my error isnot a CRC-ERROR
[07:14] <Cr0p> but more a "root=" not specified
[07:14] <psycho_oreos> how do you know its a not a CRC-ERROR when it cannot mount root-fs? its an issue with xubuntu UNABLE to find its own ROOT image
[07:15] <Cr0p> can i get you a general idea of how latpop disks are setup?/ sorry i am on windows so i cannot rip the exact thing
[07:16] <Cr0p> yeahhh but i didNOT specify "root=" and i get the error to append the "root=" boot options
[07:16] <psycho_oreos> maybe another way to look at it is to try your burnt xubuntu discs on another PC
[07:16] <psycho_oreos> normally you DON"T have to specify
[07:16] <psycho_oreos> s/DON"T/DON'T/
[07:17] <Cr0p> lol.. yeah but my brother's laptop isn't home... but due to the fact that i am using an external dvd-writer :/
[07:18] <psycho_oreos> there might be another way, eject the internal optical drive so xubuntu won't get confused, but only maybe
[07:18] <Cr0p> the boot options are as default.. what changes you guys would propose me?
[07:18] <Cr0p> ohhhh
[07:18] <Cr0p> nice thought
[07:18] <psycho_oreos> like eject the hardware, not the tray or whatever.. physically eject from the bay if possible
[07:18] <Cr0p> my internal optical drive is a bit weirdos.. so i guess getting it out of the way would help xubuntu spot the /root/ perfectly
[07:19] <Cr0p> how would i eject that thing 0.0
[07:19] <psycho_oreos> if you can eject it, normally there's button on the underside of the laptop
[07:19] <Cr0p> ok i found out
[07:19] <psycho_oreos> and I wouldn't do it whilst your laptop is active if you're chatting from it
[07:20] <Cr0p> hard said than done
[07:20] <Cr0p> :@
[07:20] <Cr0p> XD
[07:20] <Cr0p> oaky
[07:20] <Cr0p> okay
[07:20] <psycho_oreos> well reboot, get into BIOS screen and once in there, eject the drive
[07:20] <well_laid_lawn> no fire?
[07:20] <Cr0p> lol
[07:20] <Cr0p> XD
[07:20] <Cr0p> okay
[07:21] <Cr0p> i'm trying all of you 2 answers
[07:21] <psycho_oreos> that's probably the safest way, windows might chuck a wobbly after finding out a missing optical drive
[07:21] <Cr0p> will get back in 10mins
[07:21] <Cr0p> okay
[07:21] <Cr0p> hope my BIOS have the option to do so
[07:21] <Cr0p> if not
[07:21] <Cr0p> i shall eject it physically
[07:21] <Cr0p> :2
[07:22] <Cr0p> is it ok?
[07:22] <well_laid_lawn> power down first
[07:22] <Cr0p> okay
[07:22] <Cr0p> i'm doing that
[07:22] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[07:22] <Cr0p> what should i try first?
[07:22] <psycho_oreos> well yeah the second suggestion was mine :)
[07:22] <Cr0p> thx
[07:23] <Cr0p> should i try BIOS or physical first?
[07:23] <psycho_oreos> I'd physically eject, no point trying to disable in BIOS as linux kernel maybe able to detect it
[07:23] <Cr0p> yep
[07:23] <Cr0p> good point pscho
[07:23] <Cr0p> thx
[07:23] <Cr0p> i will be right back
[07:23] <psycho_oreos> no worries
[07:23] <Cr0p> gimme 10mins
[07:23] <Cr0p> or less
[07:23] <Cr0p> thanks anyhow for time
[07:23] <Cr0p> :)
[07:23] <Cr0p> cya
[07:23] <well_laid_lawn> :]
[07:28] <Cr0p> back
[07:29] <Cr0p> i did exactly as you guys said ; ejected the disk physically.. ran ubuntu live cd... same issue
[07:30] <Cr0p> says something about.. cannot find root "<NULL>" or unknown device (140,1)
[07:30] <Cr0p> then advice me to specify "root="
[07:30] <psycho_oreos> bugger, I'd say its definitely a bad media or drive.. if you had USB flashdrive and used that method it might not have such issues
[07:30] <Cr0p> afterwhich the kernel panic error as before
[07:31] <Cr0p> drive is fine.. i don't have a SINGLE issue with other distros as backtrack 4 etc
[07:31] <Cr0p> but xubuntu seems to have kernel compatibility issue
[07:31] <Cr0p> but be noted that backtrack 4 wasnot burnt by me
[07:31] <Cr0p> :s
[07:32] <Cr0p> by a friend
[07:32] <psycho_oreos> heh that might explain it
[07:32] <Cr0p> so the bad media is still our 1st suspect
[07:32] <psycho_oreos> bad burn is still possible
[07:32] <well_laid_lawn> you ran backtrack booting from the same usb drive?
[07:33] <Cr0p> hmmm yeah... on 10.04 when installing THE BASE SYSTEM, 71% = installing the kernel.. it says cannot isntall : generic package.. X(
[07:33] <Cr0p> yes
[07:33] <Cr0p> the drive is perfectly working with every single cds i used, etc
[07:34] <Cr0p> but.. i still suspects my burning tool IMG-BURN
[07:34] <psycho_oreos> another way to try is to burn backtrack4 yourself, burn it to your own media and see if it boots up
[07:34] <psycho_oreos> I wouldn't say its ubuntu issue, very rare that its possible
[07:35] <Cr0p> okay your guess would be bad media?
[07:35] <Cr0p> or bad burning tool?
[07:35] <Cr0p> as in running live cds, no issue here
[07:36] <Cr0p> IMGBURN is not very popular as alcohol100% or NERO
[07:36] <well_laid_lawn> backtrack is ubuntu based so if it works...
[07:36] <Cr0p> it should work here also
[07:36] <psycho_oreos> yeah backtrack 4 is based on ubuntu
[07:36] <Cr0p> yep backtrack as ubuntu is debian based
[07:36] <psycho_oreos> I wouldn't say its bad burning tool, but again possible
[07:37] <Cr0p> okay.. please... what does the "root=" means
[07:37] <psycho_oreos> I wouldn't say ubuntu is debian, that's like waging a war imo but anyway
[07:37] <Cr0p> what root=/dev/xxx should i put in?
[07:37] <psycho_oreos> root specifies the base filesystem for the kernel to start looking for rc/init scripts and what not
[07:37] <psycho_oreos> and xxx could be anything
[07:38] <Cr0p> would that be the error then?? because many ppl need to specify the root= boot option
[07:38] <Cr0p> yea.. could be sda1 or hda1
[07:38] <well_laid_lawn> it's the live cd so it won't be sda
[07:39] <Cr0p> if i give you a good overview of the setup of my disks/partitions in windows would it help guessing the right /dev/ ?
[07:39] <psycho_oreos> normally one doesn't need to specify root= like I said, its been specified by ISOLINUX which generally handles the more complex boot params
[07:39] <psycho_oreos> hard disk and optical drives run off different numbers
[07:39] <Cr0p> yeah
[07:40] <Cr0p> hd(x,x)
[07:40] <psycho_oreos> I'd say with physically ejected internal optical drive, it would be either {s,h}da1
[07:41] <Cr0p> hda1 tried
[07:41] <Cr0p> but sda1 isNOT a bad idea
[07:41] <psycho_oreos> it might also be {s.h}db1 as well
[07:42] <Cr0p> would advice me messing with the root= boot options?
[07:42] <psycho_oreos> wait.. boot into backtrack and check the /etc/fstab contents
[07:42] <Cr0p> huh 0.0?
[07:42] <Cr0p> -.- knew i should NOT have returned the backtrack cd
[07:42] <Cr0p> :@
[07:42] <Cr0p> lame me!
[07:43] <well_laid_lawn> any live cd would do
[07:43] <Cr0p> i got knoppix hanging around
[07:43] <Cr0p> mandrake also
[07:43] <Cr0p> wait i spot both
[07:43] <psycho_oreos> {s,h}da1 specifies the first detected drive (regardless if its hard disk, optical, etc) {s,h}db1 would be the second detected drive, yadda yadda yadda
[07:43] <Cr0p> hey
[07:43] <psycho_oreos> I'd do knoppix, don't know about mandrake doing livecd boot but probably possible
[07:44] <Cr0p> mandrake everywhere has it also
[07:44] <Cr0p> if i try the s.hda1
[07:44] <well_laid_lawn> goota go with psycho_oreos on that - /dev/sdb1  would be worth a try
[07:44] <Cr0p> the s.hdb1?
[07:44] <Cr0p> yeah
[07:44] <psycho_oreos> yeah its either sdb1 or hdb1
[07:44] <Cr0p> good point guyz
[07:44] <Cr0p> maybe that's my ticket to pass the kernel panic
[07:45] <psycho_oreos> hopefully
[07:45] <Cr0p> my external drive
[07:45] <Cr0p> is removable
[07:45] <Cr0p> so it should be dectected second
[07:45] <Cr0p> if
[07:46] <Cr0p> my optical internal drive is out-of-the-way
[07:46] <Cr0p> if my optical drive comes in play it is either sdb2 or hdb2?
[07:47] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[07:47] <Cr0p> good thing to hear
[07:47] <Cr0p> if linux cannot find the root
[07:47] <Cr0p> why not help him
[07:47] <Cr0p> the kernel panic shows that xubuntu cannot find its filesystem
[07:47] <Cr0p> him = it**
[07:47] <well_laid_lawn> I meant that if the internal drive is still attached then the usb one would be sdb2
[07:48] <Cr0p> yeah
[07:48] <Cr0p> should i jump in your views and try?
[07:49] <Cr0p> so in no way it would be sda if it is removable/
[07:49] <Cr0p> ?
[07:49] <well_laid_lawn> only way to see if it'll work is to look :]
[07:49] <Cr0p> yeah.. who tries nothing get nowhere
[07:50] <Cr0p> sorry for bad english.. not my native language
[07:50] <Cr0p> -.-
[07:50] <well_laid_lawn> your doing fine :]
[07:50] <Cr0p> ok.. thx for telling me so ^_^".. ok i'm off trying this
[07:50] <Cr0p> brb in 5mins
[07:50]  * psycho_oreos peers in after getting distracted
[07:58] <Cr0p> hello bakc
[07:58] <Cr0p> back
[07:58] <Cr0p> no luck BUT
[07:58] <Cr0p> i am coming with some interesting news
[07:58] <Cr0p> here is an overview of the error i get before i'm told to append "root=" in my boot options
[07:59] <Cr0p> RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
[07:59] <Cr0p> invalid compressed format(err=2)
[08:00] <Cr0p> VFS: Cannot open root device "sdb1" or unknown-block(0,0)
[08:00] <Cr0p> Please append "root=" boot options...
[08:00] <Cr0p> anyone here?
[08:14] <Cr0p> anyone here?
[10:46] <cesc> hi. I´m getting the error gcc: command not found when trying to install a program. What should I do to solve this error?
[10:46] <bazhang> cesc, install how?
[10:49] <cesc> I´m trying to compile a tar.gz program.
[10:49] <cesc> and then install it.
[10:49] <bazhang> cesc, install build-essential then
[10:49] <bazhang> cesc, what package by the way
[10:50] <psycho_oreos> !compiling | cesc
[10:50] <well_laid_lawn> !checkinstall
[10:50] <cesc> I don´t have internet access at home at the moment.. can I download build-essential from  the web and install it later at home?
[10:50] <bazhang> cesc, what package did you wish to compile
[10:51] <TheSheep> !apt-zip | cesc
[10:51] <cesc> is aircrack
[10:51] <bazhang> !find aircrack
[10:51] <TheSheep> !info apt-zip | cesc
[10:51] <bazhang> !info aircrack-ng
[10:53] <cesc> what I do is ... tar -zxvf aircrack-ng-1.1.tar.gz
[10:53] <cesc> then.. cd aircrack-ng-1.1
[10:53] <cesc> then.. make
[10:53] <bazhang> cesc, its in the repos. no need to compile
[10:53] <cesc> then I should do ... make install
[10:54] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install aircrack-ng
[10:54] <cesc> I don´t use ubuntu i use xubuntu
[10:54] <cesc> 10.04
[10:54] <bazhang> cesc, that makes zero difference
[10:54] <cesc> ok.. but I don´t have internet access at home.
[10:54] <bazhang> packages.ubuntu.com then
[10:55] <sampleee> i love ubuntu
[10:56] <sampleee> so how does it work here with getting a litle help?
[10:57] <well_laid_lawn> you just ask away sampleee
[10:57] <sampleee> allright
[10:57] <sampleee> got a problem with an updated 10.04
[10:58] <sampleee> even in recovery-mode it wont boot anymore
[10:58] <cesc> so bazhang... if I download aircrack from packages.ubuntu.com I would be able to install it back home where I don´t have internet access?
[10:58] <bazhang> cesc, dpkg -i  xyz.deb
[10:58] <bazhang> cesc, or double click
[10:58] <sampleee> says udev[514]: BUS= will be removed in a future udev versio
[10:59] <sampleee> wow
[10:59] <sampleee> thats weird
[10:59] <sampleee> its like magic
[10:59] <well_laid_lawn> black magic...
[10:59] <sampleee> it just went on
[10:59] <sampleee> cool
[10:59] <sampleee> like i said
[10:59] <sampleee> i love ubuntu
[11:00] <cesc> with this packages I will not get the gcc: not found command I get when trying to install aircrack-ng-1.1.tar.gz?
[11:00] <well_laid_lawn> sampleee: it's an old comp?
[11:00] <sampleee> ya, kinda old
[11:00] <sampleee> but dunno....
[11:00] <sampleee> dualcore and stuff
[11:00] <sampleee> raid
[11:00] <well_laid_lawn> k
[11:00] <sampleee> and all that
[11:01] <sampleee> so i guess not really old
[11:01] <well_laid_lawn> no
[11:01] <cesc> thanks for your help bazhang.
[11:01] <sampleee> but im just installing xubuntu onto my brothers really old machine
[11:01] <sampleee> 800mhz
[11:01] <bazhang> cesc, welcome
[11:04] <sampleee> is there some kinda printer-department arround here?
[11:04] <sampleee> or do i just go ahead with asking again?
[11:05] <cesc> bazhang this packages are for ubuntu... and I have xubuntu 10.04. Doesn´t matter? Is the same
[11:05] <cesc> ?
[11:05] <knome> cesc, no diff
[11:05] <cesc> thanks.
[11:05] <bazhang> cesc, all the same
[11:07] <sampleee> ...?
[11:07] <bazhang> linuxprinting.org ?
[11:07] <knome> !patience | sampleee
[11:07] <bazhang> check the printer there
[11:07] <well_laid_lawn> sampleee: heh just keep asking - if noone knows now someone later might
[11:08] <sampleee> allright, just dont wanna get on peoples balls ^^
[11:08] <knome> it's not a long time yet
[11:08] <knome> sampleee, check forums meanwhile
[11:09] <bazhang> never saw an actual question
[11:09] <sampleee> oki
[11:09] <knome> bazhang, pc won't boot
[11:09] <sampleee> its a magicolor 2300w
[11:09] <bazhang> knome, thanks!
[11:10] <sampleee> in windoze its all good
[11:10] <knome> oh, right, that was diff
[11:10] <sampleee> but when trying to print from ubuntu the printer will go all crazy
[11:10] <sampleee> its like blinking all its leds and stuff
[11:10] <bazhang> sampleee, check the linuxprinting.org site
[11:10] <sampleee> idicating some paper-jam or whatever
[11:10] <knome> my mistake, still in the bed w/ phoneirc :)
[11:11] <bazhang> sampleee, what does it say about your printer there
[11:11] <sampleee> gotta check that later
[11:11] <bazhang> works well, works, paperweight
[11:11] <sampleee> im using this irc from a running installation of xubuntu ^^
[11:11] <bazhang> sampleee, that's the first step
[11:12] <sampleee> good ill try there. thanx dude
[11:12] <bazhang> sampleee, if it says paperweight thats not good.
[11:12] <sampleee> whats that suppose to mean?
[11:13] <cesc> bazhang ....... downloading aircrack-ng package only.. would assure that I will be able to install successfully or should I download as well all the Other Packages Related to aircrack-ng?
[11:13] <bazhang> cesc, check what dependencies are needed on the site and get them
[11:15] <cesc> bazhang I´m here http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/aircrack-ng.. where to look for those dependencies... ? sorry I´m a newbie.
[11:16] <bazhang> Other Packages Related to aircrack-ng  --->marked in red (depends) cesc
[11:17] <cesc> thanks bazhang
[11:17] <bazhang> cesc, welcome
[11:19] <cesc> but bazhang every package has it's own dependencies as well.. that could be endless.... or I just need to download the ones marked in red in the aircrack-ng package and not go any further...
[11:19] <bazhang> cesc, just those
[11:19] <cesc> thanks
[11:19] <psycho_oreos> cesc, "install" is http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=install_aircrack
[12:56] <knome> can i install a ppa so that only some of the packages are upgraded to the newer ppa versions?
[13:54] <Cr0p> anyone here?
[13:54] <knome> no, we're hiding. ssshhh!
[13:54] <Cr0p> can i come?
[13:55] <knome> sure
[13:55] <Cr0p> *whispers* sorry, can i come in?
[13:55] <Cr0p> hello knome
[13:55] <Cr0p> what's up?
[13:55] <knome> hey Cr0p
[13:55] <knome> not much. home alone listening to music
[13:55] <Cr0p> thx for help yesterday!
[13:55] <Cr0p> 0.0
[13:55] <Cr0p> same
[13:55] <Cr0p> -.- everyone at the seaside
[13:55] <Cr0p> :/
[13:56] <knome> np
[13:56] <Cr0p> what music are you listening too?
[13:57] <knome> everything that's on my hd, right now sebastien schuller
[13:57] <Cr0p> ^_^ i downloaded 8.04
[13:57] <knome> did it work?
[13:57] <Cr0p> ohhh Xd
[13:57] <Cr0p> hmmm
[13:57] <Cr0p> not really
[13:57] <Cr0p> -.-
[13:57] <knome> what happened?
[13:57] <Cr0p> I got some interesting errors
[13:57] <Cr0p> can i give you a small log?
[13:58] <Cr0p> i'll just type it XD
[13:58] <Cr0p> RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
[13:58] <Cr0p> invalid compressed format(err=2)
[13:58] <knome> !pastebin | Cr0p
[13:59] <Cr0p> VFS: cannot open root device "<NULL>" or unknown block(141,1)
[13:59] <Cr0p> Please append "root=" to your boot options
[13:59] <knome> did you? ;)
[14:00] <Cr0p> did you? what?
[14:00] <knome> did you append root=
[14:00] <Cr0p> i appended "root=/dev/sda1"
[14:01] <Cr0p> tried sdb1 hdb1
[14:01] <Cr0p> !pastebin
[14:05] <Cr0p> .... 0.0????
[14:06] <knome> ?
[14:07] <Cr0p> RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
[14:07] <Cr0p> invalid compressed format(err=2)
[14:07] <Cr0p> VFS: cannot open root device "<NULL>" or unknown block(141,1)
[14:07] <Cr0p> Please append "root=" to your boot options...
[14:07] <Cr0p> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(141,1)
[14:08] <Cr0p> what would you suggest?
[14:10] <Cr0p> sorry i disconnected.. what would you advice me?
[14:11] <knome> i don't know
[14:12] <Cr0p> :'(.. sniff then.. I don't think xubuntu is the way to go :/
 invalid compressed format(err=2) <--- that is the issue :)
[14:14] <Cr0p> what are my solutions?
[14:14] <Cr0p> hey sup oreos!! XD
[14:15] <psycho_oreos> yes we meet again -_-
[14:16] <Cr0p> yes! i tried to get you this morning again but no answer T_T
[14:16] <psycho_oreos> I'd say its definitely a bad burn or bad media, and why not invest in USB flash drive?
[14:16] <psycho_oreos> I was afk for a bit
[14:17] <Cr0p> i have a 4gb usb flash drive staring at me :/
[14:17] <KE1HA> USB keys are notorious for causing issues with compressed images. The chips themselves are bottom of the barrel, and normally, the results prove it.
[14:18] <psycho_oreos> not a bad idea, put xubuntu on that with unetbootin and give that a shot
[14:18] <psycho_oreos> compared to the issue here with constant bad burns and bad media?
[14:19] <Cr0p> goshhhh... my internet is such a... man!! 0.0
[14:19] <Cr0p> i get disconnected for nothing.. i hate my isp..
[14:19] <KE1HA> Hmm.. dont know abt that one, Ive gotten to the point with burs, than I NFS all the ISO if possible, as the media and CD-Rom error issues drive me nuty-bonkers, but can't always go over NFS.
[14:20] <Cr0p> ohhh
[14:20] <psycho_oreos> I personally hardly have had issues with using unetbootin and flash media, they're fast and generally reliable if you buy a good brand imo
[14:20] <KE1HA> Yep, those 4 dollar deals you get at the check-out counters are terrible.
[14:20] <Cr0p> i got a good usb flash drive.. 4gb but my bios does NOT allow booting from usb devices
[14:21] <psycho_oreos> even though it supports booting from USB Optical lol
[14:21] <Cr0p> yes.. this is so weird
[14:21] <psycho_oreos> do you have floppy drive?
[14:21] <Cr0p> should i checksum the iso i downloaded
[14:21] <Cr0p> nope!
[14:21] <KE1HA> Always
[14:22] <KE1HA> I do every one.
[14:22] <Cr0p> btw my internal dvd rom drive is still physically removed
[14:22] <Cr0p> :P
[14:22] <psycho_oreos> heh
[14:22] <Cr0p> SO... what is the best solution?
[14:23] <psycho_oreos> md5sum check the file :p
[14:23] <KE1HA> +1 on MD5
[14:23] <psycho_oreos> that was suggested earlier on by me as well
[14:23] <Cr0p> good
[14:24] <Cr0p> lol
[14:24] <psycho_oreos> so you checking it now? or are you saying good was because the result came up ok?
[14:26] <Cr0p> no because i'm crying out loud at my pc for being so slow and wishing my isp was jailed/sued for giving such service
[14:26] <psycho_oreos> lol
[14:27] <Cr0p> the MD5 as written on the website is
[14:27] <Cr0p> ea2e852642ed5dcc722d67e181eb5c89
[14:27] <KE1HA> General question, how long after a Ubuntu release happens, does the subsequent Xubuntu release follow, just ball part?
[14:30] <Cr0p> WOW.. I'm gonna kill someone/something soon!!! THE MD5 CHECKSUM DOES NOT MATCH AT ALL
[14:30] <KE1HA> Ouch
[14:31] <Cr0p> how the?? the iso is still fully working.. and the md5 checksums donot match
[14:31] <knome> Cr0p, please watch your language
[14:31] <Cr0p> 8D6171C55B9EE4632A431CE5D5B95D3B <-> ea2e852642ed5dcc722d67e181eb5c89(as on website)
[14:32] <Cr0p> sorry knome.. it is only these slight issues get me on nerves :/
[14:32] <psycho_oreos> well now you know that all that burning had failed and was because of that
[14:32] <knome> Cr0p, i understand, but let's try to keep as calm as possible :)
[14:33] <KE1HA> Cr0p, Are you using that MD5 check script ? it compared Burned v.s. Stored ISO MD5 ..
[14:33] <Cr0p> *yoga pose* calm down... calm down... now how can i download the iso again and make sure it doesnot get corrupted?
[14:33] <KE1HA> Compares ..
[14:33] <Cr0p> no i'm checking the ISO on the website and the one i downloaded :S
[14:34] <KE1HA> I use this, it works well : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[14:34] <KE1HA> There's two checks to be 100% accurate, ISO on the Hard drive check, then ISO on the CD-ROM check, if they both match, ur in good shape.
[14:35] <Cr0p> okay :)
[14:35] <Cr0p> In my case, the ISO i downloaded looks corrupted
[14:35] <bazhang> get the torrent
[14:35] <KE1HA> Allot og folks only check the Hard Drive Image, and have troubles after, or you could just do the CD-ROM check but it wont tell you where things go wrong if it fails to match.
[14:36] <Cr0p> and the error i get "invalid compressed format(err=2)" confirms my doubt
[14:36] <Apocalypto> hi
[14:36] <Cr0p> hi apocalypto
[14:36] <Apocalypto> is there an ubuntu/xubuntu requirement comparison?
[14:36] <bazhang> Apocalypto, about the same
[14:36] <psycho_oreos> the only difference is the frontend GUI stuff
[14:37] <KE1HA> => 2,0Gb diff :-)
[14:37] <Apocalypto> i have a low spec system
[14:37] <Apocalypto> and i wonder if xubuntu would run faster
[14:37] <bazhang> lubuntu perhaps
[14:37] <knome> Apocalypto, how much ram?
[14:37] <bazhang> not really
[14:37] <Cr0p> !pastebin
[14:37] <Apocalypto> 512mb sdram
[14:37] <knome> xubuntu should run okayish at least
[14:38] <KE1HA> xfce is far better than Gnome for light weight systems fer sure. It runs nicely on my D400 1.2Ghz, 512MB ram.
[14:38] <KE1HA> lubuntu is super light is Xubuntu doesnt' get it done fer ya.
[14:39] <KE1HA> If*
[14:39] <contourman> derp i thought my dads laptop it might be better on ubuntu. 256mb ram is unusable on everything :(
[14:40] <psycho_oreos> except for maybe puppy linux or running as server mode :)
[14:40] <contourman> i'll look into lubuntu when my firefox  unfreezes
[14:41] <Apocalypto> i used to run archlinux on this pc
[14:41] <KE1HA> contourman, have you tried lubuntu or Puppy, or DSL, those are Ultra lights.
[14:41] <psycho_oreos> arch would be quite a wise choice if you're used to it
[14:42] <Apocalypto> the thing is something happened and it doesnt show me the login screen
[14:42] <KE1HA> I sticl wiht Xubuntu mostly, and just haul out things as needed, but my Old lappy is gog slow for the most part, but Xub runs pretty good on it.
[14:42] <KE1HA> Dog slow
[14:43] <Cr0p> !pastebinit http://imagebin.org/109633
[14:43] <Cr0p> here is the md5 screenshot i get http://imagebin.org/109633
[14:44] <KE1HA> Is that a chck from the HD ISO or the CD ISO ?
[14:44] <Cr0p> HD ISO
[14:44] <KE1HA> Ok, now chk the CD ISO and see if you get a match on the ND5
[14:45] <KE1HA> match with the HD check number that is.
[14:45] <KE1HA> then you'll know if your burner is at least operating properly.
[14:45] <Cr0p> how?? the thing is i am on windows right now.. i don't have a clue how to check this
[14:45] <Cr0p> :/
[14:46] <KE1HA> You MD5'ed the HD ISO, and got a number, all be it, it's wrong., that's ok, write dwn the #, then MD5 the Disk in the drive.
[14:47] <KE1HA> Either way, your gonna need a new ISO for a properly install, but you'll know of ur burner is working properly at the speeds your writing.
[14:47] <Cr0p> yeah.. praying it will work
[14:47] <KE1HA> Burn as slow as you can.
[14:48] <Cr0p> yeah i get your point.. i completely agree with you
[14:48] <Cr0p> i got it to 24x
[14:48] <Cr0p> it was burning at 52x on first attempt
[14:48] <Cr0p> then decided to slow it down to 24x
[14:48] <Cr0p> but now i found that the iso is corrupted
[14:48] <KE1HA> I did that, and made allot of Coffe Cup Coaster :-)
[14:49] <Cr0p> forgot to mention that my internet went off when downloading the ISO.. but since it had resume capabilities it continued :/
[14:49] <KE1HA> Burned at 24x etc etc .. now, its all 8x fer CD's and 4x fer DVD's
[14:49] <Cr0p> 8x??? this is great news... thx.. :/
[14:50] <Cr0p> my cds go more as reflector for my room
[14:50] <Cr0p> XD
[14:51] <KE1HA> Well, it depends on the drive allot of times, and I bought good drives, but even so, Burn Slow once, or risk burning lots of times is my motto
[14:51] <Cr0p> yes.. my external dvd writer is really good at reading and so on.. but your motto is better
[14:51] <Cr0p> lol
[14:52] <Cr0p> wait.. i cannot md5 a whole drive.. should i Make an iso out of the cd
[14:52] <KE1HA> Well, I've got a stack of coaster that I made from testing higher speeds :-)
[14:52] <Cr0p> then check its md5
[14:53] <KE1HA> Yes, MD5 the ISO DL first, then MD5 the CD-ISO after burn.
[14:53] <Cr0p> lol same.. i got mine from burning at SO-CALLED ultra-fast buffering speed
[14:53] <KE1HA> LOL.. yeah, good for Clay Target shooting :-)
[14:54] <KE1HA> They make nice mirrors though.
[14:54] <bazhang> live usb if your machine supports it
[14:54] <KE1HA> And if your doing ISO testing, that can run into ALLOT of mirrors in a hurry :-)
[14:55] <Cr0p> i cannot live usb... too old lappy from 2004
[14:55] <Cr0p> yes.. lot of mirrors
[14:56] <KE1HA> I do most testing of ISO in VBOX, so each round of Updates I only need about 8 physical ISO, but still, dont like to do them twice.
[14:56] <Cr0p> i used virtual pc.. but vbox is better
[14:56] <Cr0p> hmmm i'm creating the iso out of the cd
[14:57] <KE1HA> Yeah, I bought VMware 6 as well, but find Vbox, if you install it properly, does a great job.
[14:57] <Cr0p> extremely good job
[14:57] <Cr0p> saved me a lot xD
[14:58] <KE1HA> When you install it though, ya gotta get the Guest Additionas correct, and that takes build-essentials and kernel headers.
[14:58] <Cr0p> YUPPPIIIIII my burner did good job.. the md5 matches.. the fault goes to the corrupted ISO
[14:59] <KE1HA> +1
[14:59] <bazhang> !yay | Cr0p
[14:59] <Cr0p> now i need to switch my internet speed to 1mb and download that thing again
[15:00] <KE1HA> LOL.. 1MB, I wish i could get that, we're on a wireless internet service, 300/400kbs is about it.
[15:00] <Cr0p> !yay | Everyone
[15:01] <Cr0p> i'm right now on 512kbps
[15:01] <KE1HA> also, zsync is the way I go as well, very few times has it caused me any issues.
[15:01] <Cr0p> zsync?
[15:01] <KE1HA> crul, wget, http.. all have given me issues in the past.
[15:02] <KE1HA> yeah, zsync, similar to rsync
[15:02] <Cr0p> ahhhhh... sorry for misunderstanding
[15:02] <Cr0p> do you know of a good download manager for windows
[15:02] <Cr0p> except that freaking IDM
[15:02] <KE1HA> and I never use tor files, not fer testing ISO's
[15:03] <Cr0p> no worries.. i need to get that file again
[15:03] <KE1HA> I dont have a windows Box .. well yes, one, but it's not been on in a very long time.
[15:03] <Cr0p> ohhh lol.. windows is NOT the best OS i know :P.. they always re-invent the wheels in every of their release
[15:03] <Cr0p> XD
[15:04] <KE1HA> you can get zsync fer windows though.
[15:04] <KE1HA> without using Cygwin
[15:04] <Cr0p> really
[15:04] <Cr0p> nice to hear
[15:04] <KE1HA> you run it from the CMD line.
[15:05] <Cr0p> hey a question.. if i resume a broken download.. does that increase the risk of a corrupted download??
[15:05] <psycho_oreos> not necessarily
[15:05] <bazhang> via torrent? or http
[15:05] <Cr0p> http?
[15:05] <KE1HA> Yep, that's why I use zsync.
[15:05] <Cr0p> http!@
[15:05] <bazhang> I'd go for zsync or torrent if thats an issue
[15:06] <KE1HA> http probably the worst, tor a little better, rsync good, zsync probably the best overall fer error correction on resume.
[15:06] <Cr0p> nice.. because i certainly don't have a connection 20mb as my cousin
[15:06] <bazhang> never had a corrupted torrent here
[15:07] <KE1HA> http is horrinle on resume.
[15:07] <Cr0p> torrent is the worst you can have in my island
[15:07] <KE1HA> wel, fer general media DL, tor is pretty good, but fer error free needs I shy away from it.
[15:07] <Cr0p> torrent go really slow with my ISP.. we have restriction on torrents
[15:07] <Cr0p> :/
[15:08] <KE1HA> if im doing MP3's or Movies, tor is more than adaquate.
[15:09] <Cr0p> yes it is :)
[15:10] <Cr0p> dling zsync
[15:10] <KE1HA> See advantages of zsync: http://zsync.moria.org.uk/
[15:11] <Cr0p> more a synchroniser than a downloader
[15:11] <Cr0p> :D
[15:11] <KE1HA> Yep, and if your workign on dialy's it's the bee's knee's
[15:12] <KE1HA> can also fix your MD5 issies.
[15:12] <KE1HA> oops issues
[15:12] <KE1HA> You would not have to re-download the ISO, jsut re-sync it.
[15:13] <Cr0p> WOW.. here i come then.. looking for a windows ver
[15:13] <Cr0p> XD
[15:14] <Cr0p> so in some way; it finds the corrupted binaries and overwrite it with the correct ones
[15:15] <KE1HA> It makes the two binary's match, so yes, it finds the errors so to speak.
[15:16] <KE1HA> But it only download the parts that need updating, saving lots and lots of time.
[15:16] <KE1HA> that part of the applicaiotn actually comes from rsync.
[15:17] <Cr0p> extremely fine
[15:17] <Cr0p> :D
[15:18] <KE1HA> If your a Ubuntu ISO tester, that's the two methods they prefer, zsync and rsync.
[15:18] <KE1HA> For lots of reasons, but mainly saving bandwidth.
[15:18] <KE1HA> & Server Loading I suppose.
[15:19] <KE1HA> Only one Caviot though, the ISO your downloading, needs to have a .zsync extension, so not every sote is using this yet, but Ubuntu is.
[15:20] <KE1HA> not every site .. ..
[15:20] <KE1HA> so when you start your download, you select the ISO wiht the iso.zsync extension, not the standard blah-blah.iso
[15:21] <Cr0p> ahhh
[15:21] <Cr0p> wait it is quite hard to use
[15:23] <KE1HA> not really, you just do zsync blah-blah.iso.zsync  and off it goes.
[15:25] <KE1HA> Like here's a lince form my zsync script: time zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/maverick-alternate-amd64.iso.zsync
[15:25] <KE1HA> the Time is so I know how long it's taking as I grep that out for a report.
[15:26] <KE1HA> But you dont want Maverick :-)
[15:26] <KE1HA> That's jsut fer testing ISO's
[15:26] <bazhang> KE1HA, xubuntu is usually released within a day of ubuntu and kubuntu as far as I remember
[15:27] <Cr0p> but.... so i do  zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/maverick-alternate-amd64.iso.zsync?
[15:27] <KE1HA> bazhang, Cool, TNX I was just curious, as Im working on a couple other projects.
[15:27] <bazhang> KE1HA, just from memory and checking distrowatch.com release schedules/etc
[15:27] <KE1HA> Yes, but dont Zsync that one Cr0p that's Maverick 10.10 ... not what you want for what your doing.
[15:28] <Cr0p> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/8.04/release/xubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso?
[15:28] <KE1HA> yes, but add the iso.zsync
[15:28] <Cr0p> szync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/8.04/release/xubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[15:28] <psycho_oreos> why not 10.04, why 8.04?
[15:28] <KE1HA> what distro you want Xubuntu i386 or ?  alt ot normal ?
[15:29] <KE1HA> Yeah, i'd go wiht 10.04 as well.
[15:29] <KE1HA> 8.04 is out of update.
[15:29] <Cr0p> but i get issues with 10.04
[15:30] <psycho_oreos> plus if you're not adept with CLI you may run into some issues which you might not be able to fix
[15:30] <bazhang> !hardy
[15:30] <KE1HA> Ahh, ok
[15:30] <psycho_oreos> and what sort of issues?
[15:30] <bazhang> hardy is still supported
[15:30] <KE1HA> Probably Boot / GPU issues
[15:30] <Cr0p> linux kernel : linux.package ; on installing
[15:30] <KE1HA> I thought it was done with updates
[15:30]  * psycho_oreos thinks it was that old issue with compressed image
[15:30] <Cr0p> yeah
[15:31] <Cr0p> compressed imagne
[15:31] <psycho_oreos> which was md5sum issue, not 10.04's fault :)
[15:31] <Cr0p> oreos i found out the cause of this bad compressed image
[15:31] <bazhang> nope, til 2011
[15:31] <bazhang> desktop that is
[15:31] <KE1HA> well i got some band news then Cr0p .. I dont think 8.04 supports zsync
[15:31] <Cr0p> 0.0 that is some extreme bad news
[15:32] <Cr0p> but my point is
[15:32] <Cr0p> wait
[15:32] <Cr0p> let met md5 my 10.04
[15:32] <KE1HA> 9.04 / 9.10 I think does.
[15:32] <Cr0p> my burner, my media are all fine
[15:32] <Cr0p> it is my downloader that fails me
[15:32] <Cr0p> :/
[15:33] <Cr0p> i'm going for 9.04 then
[15:33] <psycho_oreos> I personally think the later the version the better for the beginner whose not familiar to the whole linux thing
[15:33] <KE1HA> Ok, let me check 9.04 zsync
[15:34] <KE1HA> LMAO,,, nope, 9.10 does, 9.04 does not.
[15:34] <Cr0p> 0.0 let me checksum my downloaded 10.04
[15:34] <Cr0p> weird system KE1HA
[15:34] <Cr0p> xD
[15:34] <KE1HA> :-) agreed, I dont make the rules though, just stuck with them like the rest :-)
[15:35] <KE1HA> I'd recommed the ALT installation ISO if your having Install / GPU X-Freeze issues.
[15:35] <Cr0p> i'll go with karmic koala
[15:35] <Cr0p> then
[15:36] <KE1HA> so you want to do: zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/karmic/release/xubuntu-9.10-alternate-i386.iso.zsync
[15:36] <psycho_oreos> I still don't understand why you're not going with lucid if you're a beginner but whatever I give up arguing/debating
[15:36] <KE1HA> Old Laptop, he has the Black Screen freeze issue.
[15:36] <Cr0p> oreos where you here last night?
[15:37] <Cr0p> were**
[15:37] <psycho_oreos> your issue with md5sum could easily be solved if the md5sum matches
[15:37] <Cr0p> yes
[15:37] <psycho_oreos> no, I think I was probably asleep, I was here and responding when well_laid_lawn was here
[15:37] <Cr0p> oreos i'm considering your views a lot. i am right now doing a checksum of my HD ISO
[15:37] <KE1HA> well, there's no harm in trying Cr0p go fer it, your better off with 10.04 fer sure, if you can run it.
[15:38] <psycho_oreos> black screen can be fixed by noacpi or acpi=off hack
[15:38] <KE1HA> Not always.
[15:38] <psycho_oreos> yup but its always worth a try, unless he has tried it
[15:38] <KE1HA> Oh definately.
[15:38] <Cr0p> to my great surprise FD34461A96585BEC8B6097E9BA85691C.. doesnot match with 62b06b14573c2fc5b2bf5a526da15e65 *xubuntu-10.04-alternate-i386.iso
[15:39] <Cr0p> i did the acpi=off.. it is only for interupt error bypass.. but my issue is elsewhere
[15:39] <KE1HA> Cr0p, no, those do not match fer sure :-)
[15:39] <psycho_oreos> which means that needs to be re-downloaded again for re-comparison
[15:39] <KE1HA> Yep
[15:39] <Cr0p> right 85% of installation it says it cannot install linux.generic package for kernel
[15:39] <Cr0p> XD
[15:39] <KE1HA> well, that could be the currupt ISO as well.
[15:40] <Cr0p> why my downloader always like failing me
[15:40] <Cr0p> Xd
[15:40] <psycho_oreos> which went back to md5sum, for the nth time
[15:40] <Cr0p> why
[15:40] <KE1HA> or, you've got the kernel Blues, liek allot of us have :-)
[15:40] <psycho_oreos> he did, unmountable rootfs because of corrupt compressed fs
[15:40] <KE1HA> http man, it's all I can say, not so good fer error correction.
[15:41] <Cr0p> yes exactly oreos..
[15:41] <Cr0p> i agree ke1ha.. i'm off trying to zsync
[15:41] <KE1HA> There's no point in trying to install an ISO that doesn't not MD5 check properly.
[15:42] <Cr0p> i did NOT care for that before.. but NOW.. md5 first
[15:42] <KE1HA> Well, the Install instructions all say to do that, probably fer good reason :-)
[15:42] <KE1HA> But what they dont always tell you, is MD5 the CD-Burn and the HD ISO image.
[15:43] <Cr0p> yes
[15:43] <KE1HA> and folks get all pissed off when they cant get a good MD5 on the CD-ISO, so they DL DL DL and still no go.
[15:43] <Cr0p> That wat get me off
[15:43] <KE1HA> But what they dont see is the Burner running too fast.
[15:44] <KE1HA> if the MD5 the DL, then MD5 the CD-ISO, they know they got a good ISO
[15:44] <KE1HA> and if the Install fails then, itf a SW / HW issue.
[15:45] <Cr0p> yes
[15:45] <Cr0p> zsync is not working -.-
[15:45] <psycho_oreos> Cr0p, what sort of laptop specs are you going to run xubuntu on out of curiousity?
[15:45] <Cr0p> it cannot open the link http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/ubuntu/xubuntu/10.04/release/xubuntu-10.04-alternate-i386.iso.zsync
[15:46] <KE1HA> let me trying real quick.
[15:46] <Cr0p> intel celeron 1.5ghz.. ddr2 ram 256mb, 64mb integrated graphic intel for mobile 2, 60gb harddrive space
[15:47] <psycho_oreos> hmm ok
[15:47] <KE1HA> this is working here: zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/karmic/release/xubuntu-9.10-alternate-i386.iso.zsync
[15:47] <Cr0p> it is way above the 196mb advertised
[15:48] <KE1HA> That's a good thing -)
[15:48] <KE1HA> Im gettign 375Kbs
[15:49] <KE1HA> How do I pastenin an image
[15:49] <Cr0p> !pasteit
[15:50] <Cr0p> !pastebin
[15:50] <KE1HA> tnx
[15:50] <Cr0p> the zsync for windows is so messed up
[15:50] <KE1HA> http://imagebin.org/109640
[15:54] <Cr0p> -.-
[15:54] <Cr0p> sniff zsync is failing me.. not working at all.. all weird errors.. windows is so lame
[15:54] <KE1HA> That's K in morse code :-)
[15:54] <Cr0p> lol XD
[15:54] <KE1HA> Indeed.
[15:56] <KE1HA> -.-  .  .---- .... .-  = KE1HA in morese code :-)
[15:57] <KE1HA> You may have to try another zsync app, im not too familiar with them, but thee's several around.
[16:00] <Cr0p> XD
[16:00] <Cr0p> yes
[16:01] <Cr0p> i'm trying everything i can
[16:01] <Cr0p> isn't there a ftp server
[16:01] <Cr0p> ?
[16:01] <Cr0p> where i can dl those files?
[16:01] <KE1HA> which files, the 9.10 images ?
[16:02] <Cr0p> yes
[16:02] <KE1HA> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/karmic/release/xubuntu-9.10-alternate-i386.iso
[16:02] <Cr0p> the thing with the zsync for windows, it scans my whole c:/ dirve
[16:02] <KE1HA> Main Page is: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/karmic/release/
[16:02] <Cr0p> drive**
[16:03] <KE1HA> Not good software, I'd try another app, but certainly get rid of that one fer sure.
[16:03] <KE1HA> I'll find one, hold on.
[16:04] <KE1HA> what was the nale of the one you tried ?
[16:04] <KE1HA> whoops name ..
[16:05] <Cr0p>  	ZSKSoft Synchronizer
[16:05] <KE1HA> Ok
[16:05] <Cr0p> Zsync in short term
[16:06] <Cr0p> i am downloading http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/karmic/release/xubuntu-9.10-alternate-i386.iso.zsync and see if i can load it manually with the app
[16:07] <KE1HA> ok
[16:07] <KE1HA> Cr0p, real answer = Dump WinDoze :-)
[16:07] <KE1HA> Kinda hard to do though if ya can't get UB installed.
[16:08] <Cr0p> googling
[16:09] <KE1HA> Here's one: http://www.zsync.com/
[16:09] <Cr0p> my friend :@ Use internet download manager, it's the best out there. You'll get the trial version on the net but you can use a patch to make it full version.
[16:09] <KE1HA> Nevermined, that's what you used.
[16:10] <KE1HA> Tat a windows app ?
[16:10] <Cr0p> yes :/
[16:10] <KE1HA> Ahh, I dont know about Windows apps much.
[16:10] <Cr0p> i know! but think of it as the application that ruined most of my downloads
[16:11] <KE1HA> i like sudo apt-get install too much to work with Windows :-)
[16:11] <Cr0p> i'm praying for the day i get xubuntu installed finally :/
[16:12] <KE1HA> Yeah, I know what you mean, I've got that ome box that's giving me trouble, but about 10 boxes around the house here all have UB on them, and running just fine.,
[16:13] <Cr0p> yes 1 out of 10
[16:13] <Cr0p> that one box tends to screw everything nah?
[16:13] <KE1HA> and that's actually not Ubuntu's fault, it's the Kernel peoples fault.
[16:14] <KE1HA> It's the same issues you've got ... GPU x-server / install issues. I need to check into that no-acpi hack though
[16:15] <Cr0p> you should
[16:15] <Cr0p> in my guess
[16:15] <Cr0p> i'm redownloading the iso again
[16:15] <Cr0p> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/karmic/release/xubuntu-9.10-alternate-i386.iso
[16:15] <Cr0p> wait
[16:16] <Cr0p> brb i double my internet speed
[16:16] <KE1HA> k
[16:20] <Cr0p123> sorry
[16:20] <Cr0p123> i disconnected from mirc X(
[16:22] <cr0p> http://imagebin.org/109644
[16:22] <KE1HA> No worries, just messing with RythumBox, it's pretty cool ap.
[16:25] <cr0p> ^^"
[16:25] <KE1HA> are you using zsync for the download ?
[16:26] <KE1HA> and wow, I thought I had allot of Icons on mydesktop :-)
[16:26] <cr0p> nope.. my previous download manage.. zsync is extremely hard to get working in windows.. it is not as simple as a zsync bla-bla.iso.zsync
[16:26] <cr0p> you are not alone
[16:26] <KE1HA> :-) ...
[16:27] <KE1HA> Nive theme Boxes though.
[16:27] <cr0p> my desktop is top 10 most filled with useless icons xD
[16:27] <KE1HA> Nice ...
[16:28] <cr0p> it is the chromium theme from windows
[16:28] <KE1HA> LOL.. yeah, I've got a bunch too. I wish the switch desktops would allow for icons on each one seperately.
[16:28] <cr0p> yes it would be nice
[16:28] <cr0p>  XD
[16:29] <KE1HA> I guess that's sorta what Compiz does.
[16:29] <cr0p> is it?
[16:29] <cr0p> you use what? KDE OR XFCE?
[16:30] <KE1HA> Gnome and xfce only, I test KDE, but dont like it at all.
[16:30] <cr0p> compiz has lots of awesome effects.. i had it with ELIVE LIVE CD (e17)
[16:30] <KE1HA> way to much junk in it fer me.
[16:30] <cr0p> KDE is so weirdos.. too bulky as windows explorer
[16:30] <KE1HA> there's lots of nice themes for all of them.
[16:31] <cr0p> brb for 1 mins.. i'm gonna fetch something to eat
[16:31] <cr0p> :d
[16:31] <KE1HA> Yeah, KDE is gettign much like WinDoze and I dont like that.
[16:31] <KE1HA> Ok no worries, just work'en on wiki's
[16:41] <cr0p> okay
[16:41] <cr0p> back
[16:41] <cr0p> hey what is your role in XUBUNTU?? are you a dev?
[16:44] <cr0p> i'm not bugging you more now.. i'll let the download finish while i'll go eat..
[16:44] <cr0p> brb in 1hours
[16:44] <cr0p> good luck with your wiki :D
[16:54] <KE1HA> Oh sri Im back .. No, definately not a Dev :-) just helping out.
[17:08] <empewoow> hi, im running the server edition of ubuntu, and im trying to sudo apt-get xubuntu-desktop. but it keeps saying: temporary failure resolving 'nl.archive.ubuntu.com'
[17:08] <empewoow> what am i doing wrong?
[17:09] <bazhang> empewoow, sounds like the archive is not responding; tried another mirror?
[17:09] <empewoow> how can i do that?
[17:10] <empewoow> bazhang: im googling that..
[17:10] <bazhang> empewoow, change in /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:10] <empewoow> bazhang: cool ill tyr
[17:10] <empewoow> try
[17:10] <bazhang> empewoow, sudo nano that file
[17:10] <empewoow> bazhang: thanks!
[17:11] <bazhang> empewoow, be sure to apt-get update afterwards
[17:11] <empewoow> yes
[17:11] <bazhang> perhaps de. archive or somewhere nearby
[17:11] <empewoow> bazhang: should i edit all the nl.archive.ubuntu things in the sources.list?
[17:12] <bazhang> empewoow, care to pastebin the file?
[17:12] <bazhang> paste.ubuntu.com
[17:12] <empewoow> hmm im running the server on my old laptop
[17:12] <empewoow> because the normal xubuntu desktop install always failed
[17:13] <bazhang> ah right then how about installing pastebinit
[17:13] <empewoow> so now i try sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[17:13] <empewoow> ok,
[17:13] <empewoow> sudo apg-get pastebinit :D?
[17:13] <bazhang> its command line; pastebinit | /etc/apt/sources.list will return a url for you to paste here
[17:14] <bazhang> well sudo apT-get
[17:14] <bazhang> t not g
[17:14] <empewoow> bazhang: ye!
[17:14] <empewoow> sorry, typo
[17:14] <bazhang> heh
[17:15] <empewoow> bazhang: but now its connecting to nl.archive.ubuntu.com again
[17:15] <empewoow> i think it will fail again... to get pastebinit
[17:15] <bazhang> empewoow, okay then!
[17:15] <empewoow> yep, failed again
[17:15] <bazhang> just try editing the first one and see if that does it
[17:15] <bazhang> then if it works, try the rest
[17:16] <empewoow> bazhang: k ill tru
[17:16] <empewoow> try
[17:16] <bazhang> ie switch nl. to de.
[17:16] <empewoow> still need to now how to work with nano :P
[17:16] <empewoow> yes i was aboout to do that
[17:16] <bazhang> or editor of choice :)
[17:17] <empewoow> bazhang: nano works for me!
[17:19] <empewoow> bazhang: i did sudo apt-get update, now it says 0% [connecting to de.xxx] [connecting to nl.xxx]
[17:19] <empewoow> bazhang: also temporary failure for de.archive.ubuntu.com!!
[17:19] <bazhang> empewoow, what about pinging www.google.com
[17:19] <empewoow> k
[17:20] <empewoow> just "ping google.com"?
[17:20] <bazhang> ping www.google.com
[17:20] <empewoow> tried that, and sudo ping ww.google.com
[17:20] <empewoow> oh wait ill try www
[17:20] <empewoow> its doing nothing
[17:20] <empewoow> only cursor _ flashing
[17:21] <bazhang> sounds like dns then
[17:21] <bazhang> irc works, but nothing else
[17:21] <empewoow> im not doing irc on that pc :o
[17:21] <bazhang> okay then whole network
[17:21] <empewoow> i think the complete intenret is wrong on the laptop
[17:21] <bazhang> yep
[17:21] <empewoow> network yes
[17:21] <empewoow> unknown host google.com
[17:22] <bazhang> ethernet?
[17:22] <empewoow> how do i configure that?
[17:22] <bazhang> does ifconfig show eth0 ?
[17:23] <empewoow> yes
[17:23] <bazhang> what about sudo dhclient eth0
[17:23] <bazhang> does it get a lease? if so, try pinging google again
[17:24] <empewoow> it gets the wrong ip
[17:24] <empewoow> my nromal pc has 192.168.0.xxx (from dhcp)
[17:24] <empewoow> this one gets 192.168.1.100
[17:24] <empewoow> the 1 is wrong
[17:24] <bazhang> does it get a lease?
[17:25] <empewoow> yes
[17:25] <bazhang> try to ping again please
[17:25] <empewoow> ye tried that, no response
[17:25] <bazhang> odd
[17:25] <empewoow> maybe i shall edit i config manually
[17:25] <empewoow> to the 0, instead of 1 behind 192.168
[17:26] <bazhang> seems like a cable issue perhaps; mac filtering by router?
[17:26] <empewoow> no mac filter
[17:26] <empewoow> i do use a router as a switch in between these two computers
[17:27] <empewoow> router -> other router (as switch) -> both this pc (which gets 192.168.1.xx), and the laptop (gets 192.168.0.xx)
[17:27] <bazhang> not sure then.
[17:28] <empewoow> bazhang: so maybe i shall edit i config manually?
[17:29] <bazhang> empewoow, sounds like your setup is more unconventional
[17:29] <empewoow> true
[17:29] <empewoow> unfortunately :(
[17:32] <empewoow> bazhang: do u know how to configure it manually? im on a website, and it says broadcast 192.168.1.255
[17:32] <cr0p> the range is
[17:32] <empewoow> but ive never heard of that ip (its a sample, but dunno what to use there)
[17:32] <cr0p> 192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.255
[17:32] <cr0p> your router address would be 192.168.1.1
[17:32] <empewoow> oh, so shall i add broadcast 192.168.0.255 then? mine is a 0
[17:33] <empewoow> ye my router is 192.168.0.1
[17:33] <cr0p> and your subnet mask would be 255.255.255.0
[17:33] <cr0p> what is your exact aim? use your pc as router in some sense?
[17:33] <empewoow> i think i have it
[17:34] <empewoow> no
[17:34] <empewoow> my laptop doesnt get dhcp ip normally
[17:34] <empewoow> so i tyr to configure it manually
[17:34] <cr0p> ahhh
[17:34] <cr0p> ok
[17:34] <empewoow> and this site states what i should enter: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[17:34] <empewoow> but my numbers are a bit different
[17:34] <cr0p> i can give you some manual settings i can think off
[17:34] <empewoow> i now have
[17:34] <cr0p> your router is 192.168.0.1?
[17:35] <empewoow> eh, almost the same as on that site, but then the 0 instead o f1
[17:35] <empewoow> yes!
[17:35] <KE1HA> set the static, the gateway, suub-mask, and DNS, should eb all set.
[17:35] <cr0p> so everything connecting to it should be 192.168.0.x
[17:35] <empewoow> yes
[17:35] <cr0p> for DNS use opendns
[17:35] <empewoow> but with dhcp it gets 192.168.1.x, so that's whats going wrong, that's why i try setting it manually
[17:35] <KE1HA> Ditto, much faster that my ISP's DNS
[17:35] <KE1HA> Than*
[17:35] <cr0p> you can get your pc to connect manually on ip 192.168.0.10 for example
[17:36] <empewoow> yes i think so
[17:36] <empewoow> never tried it on this one
[17:36] <empewoow> (new router since a few days)
[17:36] <cr0p> ahhh follow KE1HA advice.. i do NOT use same routers and ISPs as you guys :/
[17:36] <KE1HA> do you log ingot ur router with 192.168.1.1 if so that's your gateway.
[17:37] <empewoow> wait guys
[17:37] <cr0p> if his router address is 192.168.0.1 shouldnt he log in 192.168.0.1?
[17:37] <empewoow> it worked
[17:37] <cr0p> XD
[17:37] <cr0p> nice to hear
[17:37] <empewoow> i can now ping www.google.com
[17:37] <KE1HA> :-)
[17:37] <cr0p> hahaha
[17:37] <empewoow> thanks mates ^^
[17:37] <bazhang> empewoow, nice
[17:37] <empewoow> now, back to my original problem
[17:37] <empewoow> ye thanks bazhang
[17:38] <cr0p> thx to bazhang
[17:38] <bazhang> not really but I'll take credit gladly
[17:38] <cr0p> still dling xubuntu 9.10 xD
[17:38] <cr0p> ahahaha XD
[17:38] <KE1HA> did your ISO download correctly this time cr0p
[17:38] <KE1HA> NVM.. you just said :-)
[17:39] <cr0p> still getting there KE1HA.. if it doesnot.. i'll happily install every virus i can on my windows machine :)
[17:39] <KE1HA> Ouch, get you files off it first :-0
[17:39] <cr0p> ^_^" yeah.. i forgot my files XD
[17:39] <empewoow> yeey, now i can sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[17:40] <KE1HA> You'll like that one, nice desktop.
[17:40] <cr0p> empewoow enjoy xubuntu or any ubuntu based distro you are using now
[17:40] <empewoow> i hope so, tried ubuntu 9 on the old laptop
[17:40] <empewoow> but it was slow
[17:40] <empewoow> cr0p: i hope so :D
[17:40] <KE1HA> I like gnome, but like xfce fer fast stuff, no frills.
[17:41] <empewoow> cr0p: cause this laptop is always failing installations of either ubuntu or xubuntu dekstop cds
[17:41] <cr0p> gnome is self-contained but a bit slow.. xfce rocks the day
[17:41] <empewoow> it just freezes
[17:41] <empewoow> :D
[17:41] <cr0p> welcome home empewoow.. me too in same dilemma
[17:41] <empewoow> hope the problem of freezing lies in the cd, so i can do it via the internet now
[17:41] <KE1HA> Only think missing from xfce is a good network browser.
[17:41] <empewoow> cr0p: ? the freezing?
[17:42] <cr0p> what distro are you using
[17:42] <empewoow> KE1HA: it has firefox right? or what do u mean, network?
[17:42] <cr0p> xubuntu 10.04
[17:42] <cr0p> network browser is anything else! it helps manage your connections with wireless networks :)
[17:42] <KE1HA> Network Browser for gui browsing network connections / drives and things.
[17:43] <empewoow> ah... so is xfce missing that? i mean i was about to connect to wireless after this installation via cable is complete...
[17:43] <KE1HA> Wireless is fine, no worries.
[17:43] <empewoow> ubuntu made me do that, gnome i guess
[17:43] <cr0p> empewoow.. when installing the XUBUNTU, i noticed i had to use these boot options "noacpi nolapic" and had to remove "quiet"
[17:43] <empewoow> oh k
[17:44] <empewoow> cr0p: you mean about the freezing? i did almost the same, noacpi and nolapic helped me further, but i didnt try removing quiet
[17:44] <KE1HA> netowrk browser like windows network neighborhood or gnome network browser
[17:44] <cr0p> the quiet option hides all the backend processing.. but it helps knowing what's going on.. if you remove it, you will see exactly where it freezes :)
[17:44] <empewoow> so now that it succesfully installed the ubuntu server, im now trying apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[17:45] <cr0p> yes
[17:45] <KE1HA> The correct Term = Network manager
[17:45] <empewoow> ah, i c
[17:45] <cr0p> what are you using as distro empewoow?
[17:45] <empewoow> looking forward to see some gui again !
[17:45] <KE1HA> :-) ..
[17:45] <empewoow> ehm im installing xubuntu-desktop?
[17:45] <empewoow> 10.04 i guess
[17:46] <KE1HA> just type sudo atasksel that's a guis, Kind of :-)
[17:46] <empewoow> lol
[17:46] <KE1HA> oops sudo tasksel
[17:46] <cr0p> on what distro are you running right now?
[17:46] <KE1HA> ub-server he said I think
[17:46] <empewoow> oh, u mean windows 7 :P
[17:46] <cr0p> 83% downloaded
[17:46] <cr0p> not now.. i mean on your other machine?
[17:47] <KE1HA> the D400?  nadda, bust, wont install.
[17:47] <cr0p> if it is UB then no worries it is kinda same as xubuntu
[17:47] <cr0p> xubuntu only has a XFCE interface that makes it lighter
[17:47] <cr0p> it also has some light app as abiword replacing openoffice
[17:47] <cr0p> etc
[17:48] <KE1HA> It's got XP on it, only win-box I ahve, I ahd it goign fer a while, but kept having issues. will wait til they get it fixed in 10.10
[17:48] <cr0p> ahh
[17:48] <empewoow> sorry had to pick the phone. but cr0p, what do u mean?
[17:48] <cr0p> 0.0
[17:48] <empewoow> lol
[17:48] <KE1HA> I like Abi and gnumeric, works great, more than I need actually.
[17:48] <cr0p> on what distro are you running apt-get?
[17:48] <empewoow> i've had ubuntu 9 installed, it was slow, then after some updates it crashed
[17:49] <empewoow> oh!
[17:49] <empewoow> ubuntu server
[17:49] <cr0p> it's ok then
[17:49] <empewoow> latest i guess
[17:49] <KE1HA> I dont ahve a need for full Open-Office.
[17:49] <empewoow> cr0p: :D
[17:49] <cr0p> you won't need to get xubuntu.. both are nearly same
[17:49] <empewoow> what do u mean?
[17:49] <empewoow> ubuntu and xubuntu
[17:50] <KE1HA> big diffrence between them, abt 2.0GB at base install.
[17:50] <cr0p> xubuntu is a rework of ubuntu in the sense that xubuntu is filled with lighter apps
[17:50] <KE1HA> 2.4 fer XB, 4.5 to 5 for UB
[17:50] <empewoow> yes, i was hoping that it was more stable
[17:50] <cr0p> yeah
[17:50] <empewoow> on my old 1.6 ghz 512 mb laptop
[17:50] <KE1HA> be he did the server, so now server + xfce will eb cool !
[17:50] <cr0p> but since he got UB installed no need to install xubuntu unless the 3gb excess is anoying
[17:50] <empewoow> l:p
[17:51] <empewoow> hm?
[17:51] <KE1HA> it's a good way to go actually, as there's allot of good tools in the server install.
[17:51] <empewoow> is starting with ubuntu server and getting the xubuntu-desktop a wrong choice?
[17:51] <cr0p> 88% downloaded
[17:51] <cr0p> not at all
[17:51] <KE1HA> No, good choice.
[17:51] <cr0p> guess a pretty nice idea
[17:51] <KE1HA> good tools, light desktop ++
[17:52] <empewoow> thats what i wanted to hear :D!
[17:52] <empewoow> k i think dinners ready, many thanks guys, i hope when i come back xubuntu is running
[17:52] <KE1HA> servers are robust, desktops have allot of Fluff :-)
[17:52] <cr0p> however i wished i could do as my friend.. he got fedora installed XD
[17:52] <KE1HA> empewoow, ++
[17:52] <cr0p> cya
[17:52] <empewoow> ^^
[17:52] <empewoow> cu, thanks
[17:52] <cr0p> happy meal
[17:53] <KE1HA> I used fedora fer a while, was ok, but not a big fan of RPM
[17:53] <cr0p> RPM?
[17:53] <cr0p> !RPM
[17:53] <cr0p> ohhh xD i see
[17:53] <cr0p> fedora is an opensource version of redhat :D
[17:54] <KE1HA> I used a RH package last night, they have a GUI for managing LVM's works good.
[17:54] <cr0p> !LVM
[17:54] <cr0p> stop talking like this 0.0 I get confused with other terms xD
[17:54] <KE1HA> I put 2 500GB drives in an LVM to make a 1-TB drive.
[17:55] <cr0p> RPM would mean Role Playing Multiplayer games for me :P
[17:55] <KE1HA> good thing you got utott-o
[17:55] <cr0p> 1-TB drive isn't that too much? 0.0
[17:55] <cr0p> yeahh.. extremely good thing i got this eggdrop at hand
[17:55] <cr0p> XD
[17:55] <KE1HA> It's out backup server, all the /hom's and stuff go there.
[17:56] <cr0p> the /home's?
[17:56] <KE1HA> Yeah
[17:56] <KE1HA> tried to type that but it would'nt let me
[17:56] <cr0p> for a backup server it looks reasonable
[17:56] <cr0p> :)
[17:56] <cr0p> same
[17:56] <cr0p> XD
[17:57] <KE1HA> Plus I use that for my Workstation ISO Images and Virtual machines.
[17:57] <cr0p> 93% downloaded non-stop.. hope it will NOT get corrupted
[17:57] <KE1HA> :-)
[17:57] <cr0p> wow that's a lot of space then
[17:58] <KE1HA> Yeah, each ISO is abt 700MG and each VBOX install is 8GB, so x16 or so, it needs allot.
[17:58] <cr0p> 500gb = ~500 VMs/ISOs?
[17:58] <KE1HA> Yeah, plus backups aand music, and movies, all that.
[17:59] <cr0p> man, you got money and energy XD
[17:59] <KE1HA> I collected it over time, wasn't all at once.
[17:59] <KE1HA> 45 bucks fer about 800GB now days.
[17:59] <cr0p> ahhh 0.0... i would have guess.. else i would have nicknamed you "Master_Leecher
[17:59] <cr0p> XD
[18:00] <KE1HA> Thing is, i did spend a fair bit on my System drive, 73GB 290 bucks.
[18:00] <cr0p> 45 bucks = 2600 rupees in my country
[18:00] <KE1HA> 10,000 RPM Raptor.
[18:01] <cr0p> rotation per minuit?
[18:01] <cr0p> big thing 0.0
[18:01] <KE1HA> Yeah, it's fast.
[18:01] <cr0p> super responsive
[18:01] <cr0p> at what speed you do inter-drives transfer?
[18:01] <cr0p> like 10Mbit/s easily
[18:01] <KE1HA> The one Im on now is a Q6600 Quad, 4GB, and my other workstation is 3.6Ghz Quad 4GB same main drive.
[18:02] <cr0p> my workstation is UNFORTUNATELY not in my place but in a cyber-cafe :/
[18:03] <cr0p> 2gb, dual-core, 1gb graphic :/
[18:03] <KE1HA> :-)  so was mine when I first started all this buiz
[18:03] <cr0p> yes
[18:03] <cr0p> what is your role in the xubuntu community?
[18:03] <KE1HA> This box has the best graphics, dual NV 8800 GTX, the other box gots a GTX-280.
[18:03] <cr0p> sorry but this has been annoying me a lot :/
[18:04] <cr0p> GTX dual? wow.. that's too much for me :/
[18:04] <KE1HA> Oh, im just getting started in XUB,,, Doing QA, Doc, Support etc.
[18:04] <cr0p> i did NOT know they had 8800
[18:04] <cr0p> you're doing them well
[18:04] <cr0p> :/
[18:04] <cr0p> :Xd
[18:04] <cr0p> :d
[18:04] <KE1HA> It's a couple years old now.
[18:04] <cr0p> really?
[18:05] <cr0p> ohhhh
[18:05] <cr0p> lol
[18:05] <cr0p> sorry for you guys it is a couple years old.. in my country it's kinda new
[18:05] <KE1HA> Yeah, doing ISO testing, Documentation, Desktop QA Apps Testing, Launchpad Answers, IRC channels stuff liek that.
[18:05] <cr0p> here we are late 2-3 years compared to you guys
[18:06] <KE1HA> where's that?
[18:06] <cr0p> i live in mauritius.. we looks pretty much cut-off from america and other countries
[18:06] <KE1HA> Oh, ok. I should ahve known, you said rupes.
[18:07] <KE1HA> Love Madras :-)
[18:07] <cr0p> it could have been india too
[18:07] <cr0p> XD
[18:07] <cr0p> we are a multi-racial community(kinda small :P)
[18:07] <KE1HA> madras as in Lamb Madras
[18:07] <cr0p> i'm actually christian
[18:07] <KE1HA> and a Good Vendaloo now and then is good for the soul :-)
[18:08] <cr0p> ohh xD
[18:08] <KE1HA> My favorite is a Celon SP??
[18:08] <knome> !offtopic
[18:08] <KE1HA> I can't go much hotter than that.
[18:08] <KE1HA> Ok, we got busted.
[18:09] <cr0p> XD sure.. how we got to my island anyway?.. lol.. well i got the xubuntu downloaded.. doing a md5check
[18:10] <KE1HA> yep, md5 both the HD ISO and CD-ROm burn
[18:10] <cr0p> i will
[18:11] <cr0p> *crossing fingers*
[18:11] <cr0p> i will the cd at around 8-12x
[18:12] <KE1HA> in the burner, just selection options / prefrences, and select the slowest.
[18:12] <cr0p> yes i shall
[18:12] <cr0p> hey the md5 doesNOT match !! 0.0
[18:13] <cr0p> the file i downloaded and the one on the website
[18:13] <cr0p> :/
[18:13] <KE1HA> Again ? you sure your using the right MD5 ?
[18:13] <cr0p> right md5 checker you mean?
[18:13] <cr0p> now you say it
[18:13] <KE1HA> Oh... which ones dont match ?
[18:13] <cr0p> The one on the website says
[18:13] <cr0p> 4830FA034E9226B95730EA466A491E75
[18:14] <cr0p> mine says 4138c4b9495229ced8aadf17881e0418
[18:14] <KE1HA> should be this I think: 4138c4b9495229ced8aadf17881e0418 *xubuntu-9.10-alternate-i386.iso
[18:14] <cr0p> wait it is the other way round
[18:14] <cr0p> yes but mine says 4830FA034E9226B95730EA466A491E75
[18:14] <KE1HA> what I posted was the MD5 from the Xub DL.
[18:15] <KE1HA> is that the Hard drive version or the CD you burnt ?
[18:15] <cr0p> hard drive
[18:15] <KE1HA> Not good.
[18:15] <cr0p> so i guess it is my downloader.. need to cross check again with another md5 tool
[18:16] <KE1HA> That could be it too. It's hard to belive that many bad downloads.
[18:17] <KE1HA> Im gonna check mine now you got me worried :-)
[18:17] <cr0p> yes..
[18:17] <cr0p> haha
[18:17] <cr0p> check your 9.10
[18:17] <cr0p> or 8.04
[18:17] <cr0p> or 10.04
[18:17] <cr0p> and report back
[18:18] <knome> !enter | cr0p
[18:18] <cr0p> sorry knome.. :( i'm too used to IM thingy.. that is why
[18:19] <knome> cr0p, no problem, trying to write complete senteces is always a good practice though
[18:19] <knome> +n
[18:20] <KE1HA> mine checked out ok.
[18:20] <cr0p> thanks very much for comprehension
[18:20] <cr0p> what is the md5 ke1ha?
[18:20] <KE1HA> On mine ?  way diff from yours
[18:21] <KE1HA> a54366aa72d6b576ee8fc0215f8a13b9
[18:21] <KE1HA> Opps sri, that's yours.
[18:21] <KE1HA> this is mine: a60a2c8e3cf4cb20ba9ca4339bea92cb
[18:21] <knome> KE1HA, "way diff" does not really make sense when you compare md5sums ;)
[18:21] <cr0p> what does that mean?? i don't get it!! what should it be?
[18:21] <KE1HA> xub-alternate-amd64 version. of Lucid 10.04
[18:22] <cr0p> it is ok then? a60a2c8e3cf4cb20ba9ca4339bea92cb *xubuntu-10.04-alternate-amd64.iso
[18:23] <cr0p> so afterall.. it looks that my downloader is having issues with big files?
[18:24] <KE1HA> Yeah, mine checked out exact.
[18:24] <knome> cr0p, you could try an alternative method; http://on-disk.com/product_info.php/cPath/349_351/products_id/872 ;]
[18:25] <KE1HA> Not sure what's causing ur issue.
[18:26] <cr0p> the way my downloader work is fantastic for medium sized file.. but with >500mb i'm stucked..
[18:26] <KE1HA> very strange this is.
[18:27] <cr0p> it opens 16 parallel connections and splits the download :/.. after which it rejoins the splitted file.. maybe the rejoin part is what corrupt some of the files in the ISO
[18:27] <cr0p> knome.. i guess i will go your way
[18:28] <cr0p> but shipping may takes more than 1 month.. i live in the indian ocean.. right next to madagascar, la reunion etc
[18:28] <KE1HA> All esls fails, but that's a bummer to buy something that's free to begin with.
[18:28] <cr0p> yes that is a big bummer :/
[18:28] <knome> cr0p, yep, but you can be pretty sure that the cd's are okay at least - you could also order 2 discs just to be sure ;) (the price difference is nothing)
[18:30] <KE1HA> There's got to be a way to get his downloaded ... maybe it's noice on ur inet conn or something.
[18:30] <KE1HA> Noise*
[18:30] <cr0p> i'll look into that knome.. oh btw knome.. i found out that the md5 for 10.04 didNOT match too.. confirming an issue with my downloader and NOT my dvd writer or anything else
[18:31] <knome> cr0p, yeah. good luck with that and hope the discs ship reasonably fast
[18:31] <cr0p> btw KE1HA i did notice that sometimes i had to download twice because sometime the first downloaded would not work or would be corrupted
[18:31] <cr0p> my downloader for sure
[18:32] <knome> cr0p, have you tried without the downloader?
[18:32] <cr0p> my cousin had ordered ubuntu cds way back.. i guess 4 cds.. it came around 1months and 15 days after 0.0
[18:32] <KE1HA> cr0p, can you ping this address and tell me what the speed is: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[18:32] <cr0p> nope
[18:33] <cr0p> the in-built firefox downloader isnot the way to go :P
[18:33] <cr0p> responces are averaged at 544ms
[18:34] <KE1HA> knome, is there a mirror thats' close to where cr0p is that you know of ?
[18:34] <knome> cr0p, the ubuntu shipit service is different from the on-disk service, shipit may have issues that are not related to shipping, but handling
[18:34] <cr0p> ohhh i see knome
[18:34] <cr0p> i tried australia which is kinda close.. but my connection speed is even worst 0,0
[18:34] <knome> cr0p, (that's because it's completely free)
[18:35] <knome> KE1HA, cr0p: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[18:35] <cr0p> yep :/ but i'll leave the ondisk service as my last resort
[18:35] <cr0p> :/
[18:35] <cr0p> thanks for pointing out this way!
[18:35] <knome> hmm, those mirrors do not all have xubuntu
[18:35] <KE1HA> cr0p, Ping this one: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ubuntu.saix.net-release
[18:36] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/getubuntu for all certain xubuntu mirrors
[18:36] <cr0p> knome what downloader you know of in windows? (trying not to go offtopic)
[18:36] <knome> cr0p, i have used some *years* ago, but i really can't remember any name
[18:37] <KE1HA> cr0p, nvm, they dont irror Xub.
[18:37] <cr0p> first request at 344ms then timeout then 544ms and 800ms.. unstable.. 585 average
[18:37] <KE1HA> that's where the problems comming in cr0p
[18:38] <KE1HA> those ping times are very high.
[18:38] <cr0p> no worries. lets try without my downloader :/
[18:38] <cr0p> KE1HA is right but the fact that my downloader lures me, irraritates me a lot
[18:38] <cr0p> :/
[18:39] <KE1HA> what downloader is that?
[18:39] <cr0p> GOOGLE IT.. INTERNET DOWNLOAD MANAGER
[18:39] <KE1HA> Oh, ok
[18:39] <knome> cr0p, please calm down
[18:40] <cr0p> okay knome.. desole
[18:40] <KE1HA> there's one other option you could try cr0p jigdo similar to zsync
[18:40] <cr0p> let try to download it with my internal firefox downloader? what you say?
[18:41] <KE1HA> Yes, try that first
[18:42] <KE1HA> cr0p, here's info on { jigdo } file format and downloader.
[18:42] <KE1HA> http://tredosoft.com/node/41
[18:43] <KE1HA> You can also use that to "update" the image as well. do you could re-check it after DL.
[18:44] <cr0p> oaky :) im off with your idea
[18:44] <cr0p> firefox downloader is NOT the best.. :/
[18:47] <cr0p> hey really! really slow speed with firefox downloader.. i have to wait 4hrs 0.0
[18:47] <KE1HA> well, at this point, I can't see where it would hut to try.
[18:47] <cr0p> 4hrs and 30 mins boss... i'm not waiting this much -.-
[18:48] <KE1HA> is that wil the jigdo ting ?
[18:48] <KE1HA> with
[18:48] <KE1HA> I've never used it .. it's just an opton.
[18:49] <cr0p> jigdo has no download link.. every single downlaod link i click gives me a 404 error apge
[18:49] <cr0p> page**
[18:50] <KE1HA> cr0p, try this one: http://debian.hands.com/~costar/jigdo/jigdo-easy2win.zip
[18:50] <cr0p> okay.. running into that :)
[18:51] <KE1HA> here's the md5 for that file: 1ffa5ed1a89bf0760b43341371d3ae68
[18:52] <KE1HA> Here's the How-To Page: http://debian.hands.com/~costar/jigdo/
[18:52] <KE1HA> brb
[18:56] <cr0p> gave me a 404 error.. the address jigdo tries to access is way too outdated
[18:56] <cr0p> :/
[18:57] <knome> cr0p, thich one?
[18:57] <knome> the .zip ?
[18:58] <cr0p> yes.. if you notice clearly it was made in 2001-2002.. so i would not expect much from it
[18:59] <cr0p> don't be scared i am using the 2nd best downloader.. but many seems to like it other IDM.. DownThemAll is a firefox addon that looks way better than IDM
[19:01] <knome> cr0p, no, jigdo is used even in 2010 :P
[19:01] <cr0p> ohh what i mean is the software runs.. but on trying to connect to cdimage.debian.org:80/ it gets a 404 error :/
[19:02] <knome> why cdimage.debian.org ?
[19:06] <cr0p> no idea 0.0
[19:06] <cr0p> i guess it is looking in debian repisitory as xubuntu is debian-based and blabla bla
[19:07] <empewoow> hi guys, the xubuntu-desktop install worked! now it says there are updats for ubuntu, but im worried if im going to install all of them, because last time with ubuntu installed, the whole system crashed and could not boot again after i did all the updates
[19:07] <cr0p> well i got downThemAll.. it allows me to input the md5 checksum of the file I'm downloading and makes sure they match
[19:07] <empewoow> what do u advise?
[19:07] <knome> cr0p, the address should still be cdimage.ubuntu.com
[19:08] <cr0p> empewoow.. please do NOT attempt in any update unless you did sufficient research on the changelog, etc
[19:08] <empewoow> cr0p: so, what do u advise, just ignore all the updates? im not going to review all the changeslogs, because i dont understand what they're saying
[19:09] <cr0p> no worries knome.. as i saw the md5 textbox i was sure that this downloader would look forward in keeping the integrity of the file after download
[19:10] <cr0p> if you don't understand! IGNORE.. unless you want to be locked out of your system wondering for hours how to get back in except a full re-installation
[19:11] <empewoow> so, ill just use the system, without the updates. is there any risk for that
[19:11] <empewoow> ?
[19:11] <knome> empewoow, do you know why your system did not work after the updates the last time?
[19:11] <empewoow> no
[19:11] <empewoow> i just installed all of the 70 (or so) updates
[19:12] <knome> empewoow, what happened after the updates then?
[19:12] <empewoow> it didnt boot ever again, after the Asus logo there was a darkish blue screen
[19:12] <empewoow> and that was it
[19:12] <cr0p> after 7mins it went to 1%.. so 100% would be 700mins 0.0.. hope it is not in vain
[19:13] <KE1HA> cr0p, no good there either ey ?
[19:14] <cr0p> nope but as long as i am sure it is taking care of not corrupting my ISO file.. I'm ready to stay for 24 hours
[19:14] <KE1HA> :-) .. yeah, I let those things go over night sometimes when my inet is slow.
[19:14] <KE1HA> I dont ahve fast speed hee to begin wiht.
[19:14] <cr0p> at my place it is 10:15pm right now.. download will take around 11 hours.. so by tommorow noon, my download will be finish
[19:15] <KE1HA> Your dowloading the Ubuntu ISO right ?
[19:15] <cr0p> as i come back from church i should be left with a good working ISO.. else i give up and will let my friends get it for me :/
[19:15] <cr0p> yes KE1HA
[19:16] <KE1HA> On the How too page, the example is a Debian example.
[19:16] <empewoow> knome: any advice :D?
[19:16] <KE1HA> cr0p, ok, cool, just making sure.
[19:16] <andyn> i parted #ubuntu since all the knowledgeable people seem to be here. also this channel is a lot less cluttered :P
[19:16] <knome> empewoow, well, in your situation probably better not to do the updates then.
[19:16] <empewoow> hm ok
[19:16] <cr0p> actually the downloader I am using is a firefox extension (explain the slow download speed) but the fact it is the only one asking for the md5 checksum before starting really comforts me :)
[19:17] <knome> empewoow, would have made sense if you found out was what keeping you from booting when you had the situation, but now it's impossible to know
[19:17] <empewoow> do u think these are the same updates? as this is xubuntu 10.04 and that was ubuntu 9 or something
[19:17] <knome> ah, no
[19:17] <knome> 10.04 is totally different from 9.x
[19:17] <empewoow> knome: ye but how was i suppose to find out :(
[19:18] <knome> empewoow, with the new version you can try updating, but there is a slight change your system might go unusable again, but only a slight
[19:18] <cr0p> the blue screen is not so explanatory xD
[19:18] <empewoow> hmm..
[19:18] <knome> cr0p, no, but obivously there are ways to work on it :)
[19:18] <KE1HA> cr0p, that's good, the MD5 quesiotn that is. At least it knows what it supposed to get.
[19:18] <cr0p> welcome andyn.. sorry for not noticing your msg before.. :)
[19:19] <cr0p> yes exactly knome.. but it would be hard for ppl starting in xubuntu
[19:20] <andyn> cr0p: hello and no problem, i've solved all my problems so far encountered
[19:20] <cr0p> yes KE1HA it made laugh when i saw the md5 checksum textbox.. at least a downloader knowing that speed is nothing if the downloaded file is rendered useless
[19:20] <KE1HA> knome, tell me about it, took me 3 wks to figure out all the service changes, was way diffrent.
[19:20] <cr0p> okay nice andyn.. i hope you would love to help others if they ever encounter same issues as you had :)
[19:21] <KE1HA> cr0p, I know, i fell the pain here too, very slow inet.
[19:21] <knome> cr0p, of course, but we do have the support channel :)
[19:21] <KE1HA> Feel*
[19:22] <cr0p> ohhhh knome you are right.. btw.. my friend went in partnership with ubuntu and plans to be the 1st representative of ubuntu in my small island :)
[19:22] <KE1HA> cr0p, Im gonna try this jigdo also, just to test it.
[19:22] <cr0p> yes go ahead.. the windows version of it looks buggy(windows = bugs = more bugs)
[19:22] <knome> cr0p, congratulations and good luck for him/her. still, let's try to keep the channel on-topic :)
[19:23] <cr0p> yes i'll try.. but if ever any of you want to know more we can speak on it :) thanks knome
[19:24] <cr0p> KE1HA you puzzle me a lot.. where are you based?
[19:24] <KE1HA> Montana
[19:24] <KE1HA> Ex-Intel / IBM VP
[19:25] <knome> cr0p, feel free to speak about it @#xubuntu-offtopic as much as you want. thumbs up for the idea of having a ubuntu partner there as well :)
[19:25] <cr0p> thanks knome.. opensource is the way to go :).. well back to our discussion
[19:26] <cr0p> so far 17mb downloaded out of 671 i think :/ slow but surely
[19:26] <cr0p> i doNot know your timezone KE1HA?? would it be GMT-6?
[19:27] <KE1HA> -7
[19:27] <cr0p> ohhh
[19:27] <cr0p> is it noon at your place?
[19:28] <KE1HA> Yes, we need to say on-topic or we'll get bounced :-)
[19:28] <cr0p> sorry i only need to know when i can get back to you tomorrow..
[19:28] <KE1HA> Same times
[19:29] <cr0p> same times?? you mean what time do you come online usually? if tomorrow i get on pc at noon it will be nearly midnight at your place
[19:29] <cr0p> :/
[19:31] <empewoow> cr0p: remember i told u about my wireless connector? i've been trying to configure its hardware, but i dont know what to install
[19:33] <cr0p> i think that your wireless connector has its drivers in ubuntu
[19:33] <empewoow> cr0p: what does that mean?
[19:33] <cr0p> ubuntu is pretty self contained :/
[19:33] <empewoow> oh ok
[19:34] <empewoow> so should i configure it manually now?
[19:34] <cr0p> that the drivers are here but you need to know how to get them
[19:34] <empewoow> how do i know what to download
[19:34] <cr0p> all depends if you cannot use dhcp
[19:34] <empewoow> :/
[19:34] <cr0p> you basically doesnt need to download anything as it is there
[19:35] <KE1HA> empewoow, what card do you have, and how were connected before  you went to the desktop?
[19:35] <empewoow> ye well wireless, i need to say which wireless connection right? but the icon which used to be on the top right isnt there. and also the lights of this wireless thingy are off
[19:35] <cr0p> but if for some reason it is not there, try look in the manufacturer's website
[19:35] <empewoow> im now connected with utp cable
[19:35] <empewoow> KE1HA: i have some sort of linksys thing
[19:35] <empewoow> dunno actually how this technology is called, its a plugin thing
[19:35] <KE1HA> empewoow, lspci | grep marvell
[19:35] <empewoow> about 5 cm wide and 10 cm long :p
[19:36] <cr0p> plug and play?
[19:36] <empewoow> KE1HA: ill try, what will that do?
[19:36] <KE1HA> tell us if your Wifi NIC is being detected or not.
[19:36] <KE1HA> Most Linksys ae Marvell chipsets.
[19:37] <empewoow> KE1HA: should i sudo? its not returning anyrhing, not even an error
[19:37] <KE1HA> either way, but sure use sudo
[19:37] <cr0p> he told that the leds are not flashing or anything.. maybe the kernel doesnot know of its existence or couldnot find a way(driver) to communicate to it
[19:37] <empewoow> ye no lights are on, they were on with ubuntu
[19:38] <empewoow> KE1HA: but the lspci thing is not returning anything
[19:38] <cr0p> I'm not so familiar with linksys but KE1HA is here
[19:38] <KE1HA> if the LED's are not green, the Driver's not loaded properly. And if you using WPA WiFI, wont work with most Linksys cards.
[19:39] <KE1HA> Well, before we can help you with Drivers, we need to know the model of the card.
[19:40] <cr0p> i haven't gone in a linux interface for months so KE1HA will help with the commands
[19:40] <KE1HA> empewoow, yank it out and get the model / type, then have a looky here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[19:41] <cr0p> KE1HA my download is 4%, remaining time 13hrs.. looks like it will end tommorow. for you would be around midnight :/
[19:41] <KE1HA> empewoow, all the Linksys cards (WiFI) i've installed all had to use ndiswrapper to work, none worked on WPA, most ok on WEP, all was ok on Open WiFI
[19:41] <empewoow> KE1HA: can i just get it out when the pc is on?
[19:41] <KE1HA> NO!
[19:42] <empewoow> i know, wpa2 didnt work before, i used wpa!
[19:42] <KE1HA> power down and unplg the cable first,.
[19:42] <cr0p> NOT RECOMMENDED! 0.0
[19:42] <empewoow> ah oke :D
[19:42] <empewoow> cr0p: haha :(
[19:42] <empewoow> :D
[19:42] <empewoow> because it is somehwat designed to plug and play
[19:42] <empewoow> i mean, it looks like a floppy
[19:43] <cr0p> wep will do.. but not so secured.. unless you live with a +60years old neighbourhood
[19:43] <empewoow> ah its PCMCIA
[19:43] <KE1HA> empewoow, I mispoke there most of the chips are BCM broadcomm not Marvell.
[19:43] <empewoow> didnt know that trick
[19:44] <empewoow> oke, ye broadcomm rings a bell!
[19:44] <KE1HA> Netgear is Marvell, Linksys is BSM
[19:44] <KE1HA> BCM
[19:44] <empewoow> KE1HA: btw, it takes forever to shutdown... it says system halted, and the cursor isnt flashing
[19:44] <cr0p> that was weird KE1HA for a second i thought i was using marvell (i'm on netgear)
[19:45] <cr0p> ctrl+alt+de;
[19:45] <cr0p> del
[19:45] <empewoow> doesnt work
[19:45] <empewoow> looks like one of those freezes again
[19:45] <cr0p> keeping pressing for 2-3 times
[19:45] <KE1HA> No, Im just tired, been a long night work'en on Wiki pages
[19:45] <empewoow> cr0p: nope, nothing
[19:46] <cr0p> well 0.0 press the shutdown button
[19:46] <cr0p> a small click
[19:46] <empewoow> ye did that
[19:46] <cr0p> then a large press if small click did nothing
[19:46] <cr0p> :/
[19:46] <empewoow> oh damn now its restarting :S
[19:46] <cr0p> LOL
[19:46] <empewoow> how do i shut down normallu
[19:46] <empewoow> ??
[19:46] <KE1HA> empewoow, how did you shut it down, did you do sudo shutdown -h now ?
[19:46] <empewoow> nope, upper right corner
[19:46] <empewoow> shutdown :D
[19:47] <empewoow> ill try that now
[19:47] <KE1HA> From the Desktop, that's ok, should work.
[19:47] <empewoow> sudo shutdown -h now
[19:47] <cr0p> :) download is so slow that i guess it will take the whole week to complete :s
[19:48] <empewoow> ye it says system halted
[19:48] <empewoow> cursor stopped flashing again
[19:48] <KE1HA> Now ya can power off.
[19:48] <empewoow> hmm
[19:48] <empewoow> but it will reboot again :D
[19:48] <cr0p> 0.0 LOL?
[19:48] <empewoow> oh now it stopped
[19:48] <cr0p> it should not reboot
[19:48] <empewoow> can i make it stop just by doing shutdown -h now?
[19:48] <cr0p> great
[19:48] <empewoow> that worked before...
[19:48] <KE1HA> not if it's unplugged it wont, unless you've got mice in there runnign a small generator :-)
[19:49] <cr0p> <3 mice
[19:49] <empewoow> cr0p: KE1HA its this one: WPC300N ver.2
[19:49] <KE1HA> empewoow, you should never pull cards from a system powered up or connected to power.
[19:49] <empewoow> i didnt :)
[19:49] <cr0p> good then
[19:50] <KE1HA> Ok, hold on.
[19:50] <KE1HA> I just did one of these the other day, BRB
[19:50] <empewoow> but USB lets me do that, and i have no experience with these PCIxxx whatever things
[19:50] <KE1HA> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-nettool/+question/120918
[19:51] <KE1HA> Follow my post in that Quesiton, you need to do them manually.
[19:52] <empewoow> ah KE1HA its you who fixed that :D
[19:53] <KE1HA> Yes
[19:55] <empewoow> KE1HA: they are talking about a network-manager-gnome package... but xubuntu is xfce?
[19:56] <KE1HA> No, it's the Package Manager, you getting rid of any ndiswrapper stuff that's there first, then install new.
[19:56] <cr0p> brb guys.. need to go to toilet...
[19:56] <empewoow> oh ok
[19:57] <KE1HA> He says Network manager, but it's the package manager, he needs to make sure no revious ndiswraper or utils are installed, then a fresh ndiswrapper install.
[19:57] <knome> cr0p, thanks for the info ;)
[19:57] <KE1HA> You can't search for packages in the Network manager :-)
[19:58] <KE1HA> Well, ya can, jsut wont find any :-)
[19:59] <empewoow> i dont know how precise i should follow these instructions, because "Be sure the main ndiswrapper package is marked" i see a common one, is that what they're talking about?
[20:00] <KE1HA> Go down to 10, then start and that number 1.
[20:00] <KE1HA> The first ten things are gettign rid of any previous wrappers
[20:01] <KE1HA> if you've not done ndiswrapper before, your probably ok
[20:01] <empewoow> getting rid? the way i read it is that i am installing them
[20:01] <KE1HA> or in a terminal type: ndiswrapper -l
[20:01] <KE1HA> if it's installed you'll know it.
[20:02] <KE1HA> empewoow, yo need to have a network connection though, as if ndiswrapper is not installed, you need it.
[20:03] <empewoow> KE1HA: i have a netowrk connection
[20:03] <empewoow> KE1HA: i did ndiswrapper -l, it didnt return anything
[20:03] <KE1HA> sudo aptget install ndiswrapper-common
[20:04] <knome> apt-get
[20:04] <KE1HA> sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils then follow the rest.
[20:04] <empewoow> ye i have the program, but its not returning anything
[20:04] <empewoow> so thats good because the site u gave me said if you have something there, get r id of it
[20:05] <KE1HA> Yes.
[20:05] <empewoow> but; "Now download the archive attached to this message and extract it to your desktop. It will create a folder called "wmp300n" on your desktop."
[20:05] <empewoow> cant find it :d
[20:05] <KE1HA> But one quesiotn, did you put the card back in the box ?
[20:05] <empewoow> yep
[20:05] <empewoow> while it was off ^^
[20:06] <KE1HA> And have you installed ndiswrapper and utils ?
[20:08] <empewoow> i already have it?
[20:08] <KE1HA> I dont knwo do you ,,, type which ndiswrapper and tell us what it says
[20:08] <KE1HA> that would be" which ndiswrapper
[20:09] <empewoow> it says: install/manage windows drivers for ndiswrapper, and then it gives some usage info
[20:10] <KE1HA> I dont understand that one, do this: whereis ndiswrapper
[20:10] <empewoow> but i cannot find that archive this guy is talking about on the forum
[20:10] <empewoow> ok it says: /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper
[20:10] <KE1HA> Ok, it's installed then, that's good.
[20:10] <empewoow> and /etc/ndiswrapper
[20:10] <empewoow> and another ting
[20:10] <empewoow> ye i know :D
[20:11] <KE1HA> so go download the drivers, then follow the post from 3. thru the end of the post.
[20:11] <empewoow> oh lol i found the archive
[20:11] <empewoow> it was in the post after that -.-
[20:11] <KE1HA> Yeah, was the next post down.
[20:15] <empewoow> KE1HA: sudo depmod -a takes a while, that correct?
[20:16] <KE1HA> sometimes.
[20:17] <KE1HA> there's one step missing fro all that, but when your done, I'll give that too you.
[20:17] <empewoow> but here: gksudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, its not openening the gedit window
[20:17] <empewoow> ill do that with the gui
[20:18] <cr0p> back
[20:18] <KE1HA> just do sudo nano /etc/.. .. ..
[20:18] <empewoow> ^^
[20:18] <KE1HA> then ctrl+x to exit, then Yes.
[20:18] <KE1HA> to save
[20:19] <empewoow> oh i did it with the gui
[20:19] <empewoow> i cant save it from there
[20:19] <empewoow> should i nano?
[20:20] <knome> empewoow, gksudo mousepad
[20:20] <cr0p> KE1HA and empe.. see you in 12 hours :)
[20:20] <KE1HA> Yes :-)
[20:20] <cr0p> bye
[20:20] <KE1HA> TTUL
[20:20] <empewoow> cr0p: seeya m8!
[20:20] <empewoow> bye
[20:20] <cr0p> all: cya
[20:20] <cr0p> KE1HA: thanks for help!
[20:20] <KE1HA> easiet way: sudo echo blacklist bcm43xx >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[20:21] <empewoow> ehh i dont undetrstand
[20:21] <empewoow> when i sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist it says new file
[20:21] <empewoow> should i blacklist.conf?
[20:21] <KE1HA> yes
[20:22] <empewoow> how do i paste in nano
[20:22] <empewoow> :d
[20:22] <knome> empewoow, right-click ... :)
[20:22] <empewoow> ah lol
[20:22] <KE1HA> Yes R-Clcik
[20:22] <empewoow> k done KE1HA
[20:23] <empewoow> ^^
[20:23] <KE1HA> ctrl+x then Y to save
[20:23] <empewoow> ye did that, saved it
[20:23] <empewoow> checked if it was ok
[20:23] <KE1HA> Ok, one more thing
[20:24] <KE1HA> sudo echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules
[20:24] <KE1HA> then cat /etc/modules to make sure it put that in there.
[20:24] <empewoow> permission denied :s
[20:24] <KE1HA> If so, reboot and look fer green lights.
[20:24] <KE1HA> did you "sudo"
[20:24] <empewoow> i cannot sudo echo
[20:25] <empewoow> yes
[20:25] <KE1HA> Ok, sudo nano then and add it manuallt.
[20:25] <KE1HA> oops manually.
[20:25] <empewoow> :D
[20:25] <empewoow> what should i add
[20:25] <empewoow> i see: loop and lp
[20:26] <KE1HA> add to the bottom
[20:26] <empewoow> ndiswrapper?
[20:26] <KE1HA> yes
[20:26] <KE1HA> just ndiswrapper
[20:26] <empewoow> k done
[20:26] <empewoow> reboot?
[20:26] <KE1HA> then crtl+x & Y to exit & Save
[20:26] <KE1HA> Yes,
[20:26] <empewoow> ye done
[20:26] <empewoow> k
[20:27] <KE1HA> sudo shutdown -r now
[20:27] <empewoow> yep, forgot the sudo, it said: need to be root :D
[20:27] <KE1HA> then looky fer Green lights, if no green lights = no good.
[20:27] <empewoow> ah blue lights :D
[20:27] <empewoow> (they were blue)
[20:27] <KE1HA> Ok, blue, :-)
[20:27] <KE1HA> Mine are Green :-)
[20:28] <KE1HA> then when it's rebooted, open a terminal again.
[20:28] <KE1HA> the lspci | grep bcm*
[20:28] <empewoow> lol inbetween the black screens with white letters, some very weird colors or maybe "artifacts" occur btw, didnt mention that before but its weird :D
[20:28] <KE1HA> then ndoswrapper -l
[20:29] <KE1HA> One issues at a time pse :-)
[20:29] <empewoow> sudo lspci?
[20:29] <empewoow> cause it says nothing
[20:29] <KE1HA> sudo lspci | grep bcm*
[20:29] <empewoow> returns nothing
[20:29] <KE1HA> sudo lspci | grep Wireless
[20:30] <empewoow> network controller Atheros communications inc. AR5008 ... etc.
[20:30] <empewoow> 02:00.0 in front of it
[20:30] <KE1HA> ok, ndiswrapper -l
[20:30] <empewoow> bcmwl5 driver installed
[20:31] <KE1HA> That be a good thing.
[20:31] <empewoow> btw the lights are off
[20:32] <KE1HA> Lights are off ?
[20:32] <empewoow> ye the blue lights of the adapter
[20:34] <KE1HA> Do you have WEP enabled on your router ?
[20:34] <empewoow> but what now :o where can i find the network manager?
[20:34] <KE1HA> iwlist scanning
[20:35] <empewoow> lo and eth0 only
[20:35] <empewoow> both dont support scanning
[20:35] <KE1HA> That's not good.
[20:35] <empewoow> brb toilet very fast :o!
[20:35] <empewoow> the "need" is high lol
[20:35] <KE1HA> The lights not being on is troubling
[20:37] <empewoow> :
[20:37] <empewoow> back :(
[20:37] <empewoow> i dont see a network manager app anywhere
[20:38] <KE1HA> No, there isn't a Network manager like Gnome in xfce as far as Im aware.
[20:38] <empewoow> oh
[20:38] <empewoow> so how am i suppose to choose my routers ssid?
[20:39] <KE1HA> in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:39] <KE1HA> Im not used to using xfce fer this, just know how to get the driver in there.
[20:40] <empewoow> oh ok
[20:40] <KE1HA> I think there's somethign missing, as them lights should be on.
[20:40] <empewoow> so xfce has these "restrictions"
[20:40] <empewoow> they were on when i booted the pc
[20:40] <KE1HA> [ass, dont know the answer to that one.
[20:40] <KE1HA> pass
[20:40] <empewoow> any advice on how i can go further :o
[20:41] <KE1HA> Im kinda stuck at this point, the divers loaded, lspci sees the card and ndiswrapper is working, not sure where to from here.
[20:42] <KE1HA> Anyone ahve any futher suggestions ?
[20:43] <KE1HA> do a quick ifconfig and see what cards are listed
[20:43] <empewoow> only 2
[20:43] <empewoow> eht0 and lo
[20:43] <KE1HA> lp etho ?
[20:43] <KE1HA> Just to check someting, iwconfig wlan0
[20:43] <empewoow> no such device
[20:44] <KE1HA> somethign is not right empewoow I dont thik the card is active, as the lights are not on.
[20:44] <empewoow> ok, so im stuck now
[20:44] <KE1HA> Id' go back to the Verty beginning of that procedure, and do it all this time, but slowly and step fer step.
[20:45] <KE1HA> Your stuck, and Im stuck, I dont knwo why the card's not enabled.
[20:46] <empewoow> that procedure again? is that possible? just doing it again?
[20:47] <KE1HA> from the top this time, from the first step one, all the way through the end.
[20:48] <KE1HA> carefully though.
[20:54] <KE1HA> well i asked Actionparsnip if he was familar with this card, but he jsut told me to ask the channel.
[20:54] <empewoow> heh :D
[20:54] <empewoow> k
[20:55] <KE1HA> empewoow, at this posint Im stuck. I'd try going into ubuntu channel he works on allot of wifi stuff, so Im sure somebody in there knows something about it.
[20:59] <empewoow> ah oke thanks! KE1HA you helped alot!
[21:00] <KE1HA> Well Im a bit bummed that we can't get it workigng.
[21:01] <KE1HA> You should try the Ubuntu channel though,
[21:06] <kapax555> hello
[21:07] <kapax555> i use Xubuntu on my secondary PC with 512 MB RAM. Picked Xubuntu for advertisements about its light-weightedness, but my computer awfully lags, especially with Firefox. and it almost always ends up with Firefox shut down. anybody has the same problem?
[21:09] <kapax555> i am full-time windows user, so i am not used to such behavior, but linux is good for me for development from time to time, so i don't mind using it on one of my pc's
[21:09] <knome> kapax555, firefox does need quite a lot of memory. have you tried alternative browsers like epiphany?
[21:09] <kapax555> no, because i use quite a few add-onds
[21:09] <kapax555> add-ons
[21:10] <knome> kapax555, do you have any possibility to add ram?
[21:10] <kapax555> see, i don't mind easy lagging, but everything lags awfully - even mouse cursor is not responding. i think that maybe for my lack of experience i don't know how to set up my machine correctly?
[21:11] <kapax555> financially, i do. but i will not for some reasons
[21:12] <knome> i'd suggest seeing if using an alternative browser makes difference first
[21:12] <knome> as i said, firefox is known to eat a lot of memory
[21:12] <kapax555> anyway, Xubuntu was my choice because they say it's light-weight Linux. so, i don't see why Firefox would disturb my experience
[21:12] <kapax555> well, don't get mad at me now, but XP runs more smoothly and i use Firefox + Eclipse on the same machine
[21:12] <Sysi> what bgraphics card? firefox with extensions definately isn't light
[21:13] <kapax555> geforce 6600
[21:13] <kapax555> yeah, but i suppose firefox won't eat over 300 MB, right?
[21:13] <kapax555> at least what xubuntu's task manager shows
[21:13] <knome> kapax555, xp is not as new as the newest xubuntu
[21:14] <knome> kapax555, xubuntu IS lightweight compared to many
[21:14] <kapax555> yeah, i know. but the other thing is that when just booted xubuntu uses less memory than XP
[21:14] <empewoow> hi guys, ive just installed a "Remote Desktop" program to start a vnc server on my xubuntu desktop. but i cannot find a way to start the program. what am i doing wrong?
[21:14] <kapax555> so, that makes me think that it does some nasty things in kernel
[21:15] <knome> kapax555, please, try an alternative browser first
[21:16] <kapax555> i tried opera and konqueror
[21:16] <knome> ugh, those are not lightweight either.
[21:16] <knome> please try epiphany or midori
[21:16] <kapax555> however, opera is more satisfying, except in summer it makes my CPU fan very loud because of its high CPU usage
[21:17] <Sysi> chromium and ablock
[21:17] <Sysi> *adblock
[21:18] <kapax555> yeah, well, that would work quite well, i suppose. but then again, no extensions
[21:18] <kapax555> i think i will have to learn living without them
[21:18] <dreamtraveler> empewoow, which remote desktop program did you installed ?
[21:19] <Sysi> chromium does support extensions
[21:19] <kapax555> another problem with xubuntu. after updating to 2.6.32-23-generic, i can no longer use GUI. why would that happen?
[21:20] <kapax555> i still have the older 2.6.32-22-generic and it works
[21:20] <knome> kapax555, might be something with your GC and the new kernel. i'd suggest just waiting until new kernel, and try if that works.
[21:21] <Sysi> i've had some problems with kernel updates and restricted drivers
[21:21] <kapax555> well, i thought so, too, but a couple weeks ago i updated to 24, and still, i can't use desktop. i get command line: username-desktop login:
[21:22] <kapax555> it's not easy to come to linux from windows
[21:23] <Sysi> not other way round either
[21:24] <knome> Sysi, no, it's not just hard, it's impossible to go from linux to windows :P
[21:24] <kapax555> why would you say that? :)
[21:24] <empewoow> dreamtraveler: it said: Remote Desktop
[21:24] <knome> kapax555, that's my point of view.
[21:25] <empewoow> dreamtraveler: i did it via the Ubuntu Software Center
[21:25] <kapax555> one my friend is a full time ubuntu user and i just don't find his arguments good enough because they are mostly based on open source principles
[21:25] <kapax555> as for windows, i wouldn't use it if i had to pay for it but i get it for free and additional software i use is either free or open source, too
[21:25] <dreamtraveler> um i am gonna start digging around and see what pops up sec
[21:25] <Sysi> windows just suck
[21:26] <knome> Sysi, ssh, go to sleep :P
[21:26] <Sysi> soonish
[21:26] <kapax555> yeah, that would be just one more meaningless argument :))
[21:27] <kapax555> i chose to use linux on my old pc just to keep some balance, although i don't use it often. but when i use it, i want it to work for me, that's why i came to you for some help, guys
[21:28] <kapax555> balance between linux and windows, i mean
[21:28] <knome> kapax555, there's no arguments that are the ones that turns the tide for everybody. anyway, let's try to keep on topic and not go into win vs linux - you can continue on that @#xubuntu-offtopic
[21:29] <empewoow> rigel: do u have any advice on my wireless adaptor problem?
[21:29] <kapax555> yeah, well, that's not the point. could you give me some help with my desktop problem?
[21:29] <empewoow> oops
[21:30] <knome> kapax555, it being slow? try another browser... :)
[21:30] <knome> kapax555, for the kernel stuff, i'd say wait for new kernel + file a bug meanwhile
[21:31] <kapax555> ok. thanks
[21:32] <knome> np. hope the issues are fixed asap
[22:07] <teunvD> I'm watching a movie in Totem, but the Xscreensaver activates anyway (in a fullscreen session) how do I configure Xscreensaver not to set in while a fullscreen presentation is on?
[22:50] <nyad> hi. I need to disable the right click menu on the desktop'
[22:51] <nyad> how do I do it
[22:51] <nyad> ive googed but its difficult to find an answer to this query
[22:51] <nyad> its quite uncommon i imagine
[23:19] <TheSheep> nyad: in the desktop settings
[23:20] <TheSheep> nyad: actually you can choose whether to get the app menu or the desktop menu
[23:54] <hotstew> hey guys
[23:54] <hotstew> I installed XFCE on Ubuntu today and I really like it.
[23:55] <hotstew> I wanted to ask if there are benefits to installing Xubuntu instead of keeping the current Ubuntu + xfce
[23:59] <teunvD> if you only install Xubuntu you save lots of storage (without Gnome), there might be other benefits that i'm not aware of