[00:00] <rbelem> Riddell, i need some help with startkde for plasma-mobile
[00:00] <shadeslayer> afaik you filed it :P
[00:00] <Riddell> how clever of me
[00:00] <shadeslayer> bug 597254
[00:01] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I can't promote stuff.  You'll need to talk to Riddell about libqapt1.
[00:01] <rbelem> Riddell, i'm changing it a little bit and i think i will place it in kubuntu-mobile-default-settings
[00:02] <shadeslayer> kdesupport for neon done! \o/
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Riddell took care of it, it's cool
[00:02] <ScottK> OK.
[00:02]  * ScottK has been away all day.
[00:02] <Riddell> rbelem: you'll need an entry in /usr/share/xsessions I guess
[00:03] <rbelem> Riddell, yep! can i add a kubuntu-mobile.desktop in kubuntu-mobile-default-settings?
[00:05] <Riddell> sure
[00:05] <rbelem> Riddell, or is it better to make these changes and add to kdebase-workspace pkg?
[00:06] <Riddell> you can even be ahead of upstream and call it Name=Plasma Mobile which desktop won't have the equivalent s/KDE/Plasma/ change until 4.6
[00:06] <Riddell> it should go upstream too though somehow
[00:08] <rbelem> cool :-)
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> wow, armel is set to beat everybody else (except sparc which I didn't retry) https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-debug-installer/10.10ubuntu4
[00:32] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[00:32] <_Groo_> anyone alive?
[00:32] <_Groo_> could anyone test dolphin search for me? i believe nepomuk is broken for lucid kde 4.5
[01:15] <CIA-61> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100815001521-0yq5mk400m4erydz * debian/ (changelog control) Add a build-depend on libutempter-dev for kpty functionality
[03:34] <nhandler> Riddell: It has been disabled for a while. I wasn't around for that decision. From discussion, it sounds like it was primarily due to the technical limitations of the host the bot ran on
[07:22] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: muon lost ability to authenticate :O
[07:23] <shadeslayer> same goes for kpk as well :/
[07:32] <apachelogger> oh dear
[07:32] <apachelogger> qtwebkit doesnt do webm? :O
[07:33] <oxymoron> When I unrar archives in Ark/Dolphin KDE freeze sometimes, is that KDE or Kubuntu specific?
[07:33] <apachelogger> possibly unrar specific?
[07:33] <apachelogger> eating all ramz and cpuz makes your system freez0r
[07:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you also get an independent "X" window when flash is active in rekonq?
[07:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: with konqueror as well
[07:34]  * apachelogger hates flash
[07:34] <shadeslayer> when webkit is selected
[07:35]  * apachelogger also hates that he cannot watch flipping youtube in html5 thanks to qtwebkit not having webm support
[07:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: necessary evil which is going to be dropped
[07:35] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Alright, but possible to replace unrar with something else that works better? :)
[07:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: flash is never ever going to go away
[07:35] <shadeslayer> at some point in the far future :P
[07:35] <apachelogger> not within the next 5 to 10 years anyway
[07:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah ^_^
[07:35] <shadeslayer> after 5-10 it shall be redundant 
 and <marquee> havent even gone away
[07:35] <oxymoron> I think Flash will disappear when more and more people reject it and see potential in HTML5 and future techniques :)
[07:35] <apachelogger> oxymoron: I did not say it was a failure :P
[07:36] <shadeslayer> i hate uploading kdesupport :/
[07:36] <oxymoron> apachelogger: It is epic failure if unrar use all my RAM and CPU. ANd then I have heavy cavalary with DUal Core Intel E6400 and 4 GB RAM.
[07:36] <maco> oxymoron: use "nice"?
[07:36] <shadeslayer> hehe
[07:36] <apachelogger> well, maybe you are just being bottlenecked?
[07:37] <apachelogger> which would make the whole thing a hardware fail
[07:37] <shadeslayer> yep ^
[07:37] <oxymoron> apachelogger: No, all my hardware components are really good. The problem is unrar, Ark, file transfer protocol or Dolphin IMO.
[07:37] <oxymoron> maco: Where?
[07:37] <apachelogger> that has nothing to do with good or bad, but with bus limitations :P
[07:38] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: man nice
[07:38] <maco> oxymoron: run the unrar command with nice
[07:38] <maco> nice -15 unrar foo.rar
[07:38] <apachelogger> oxymoron: it would be good to know what component causes a headache to the CPU or RAM
[07:38] <oxymoron> maco: Aha I didnt know nice was something :P Whats so good about it?
[07:38] <maco> it'll be pretty nice and yield cpu to other processes
[07:38] <apachelogger> i.e. observe ksysguard
[07:38] <maco> oxymoron: if you make a process nice, it yields cpu time instead of killing your system
[07:39] <maco> oxymoron: confusingly, nice -n15 and nice -15  BOTH mean positive 15, which is pretty nice
[07:39] <maco> (max is 19, i think?)
[07:39] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Well I can check right away if I can see any process being heavy or components taking "cream"
[07:39] <shadeslayer> maco: yep
[07:39] <shadeslayer> 19 will kill unrar :P
[07:39] <maco> meanwhile negative niceness is -n-15 or --15, which makes it a piggy
[07:39] <oxymoron> maco: But then it takes longer to extract? :D
[07:39] <maco> yes
[07:39] <oxymoron> maco: Well its really slow as it is already.
[07:40] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: how big is the .rar ?
[07:40] <oxymoron> Why cannot anyone just make some unrar whos actually work, no matter if its closed source or not? :S
[07:40]  * shadeslayer wishes lp had .xz support
[07:40] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: 4 GB usually.
[07:40] <shadeslayer> ouch
[07:40] <maco> wait the rar is the same size as your mem?
[07:40] <maco> so it literally has to use all your ram in order to unrar...
[07:41] <maco> that seems problemati
[07:41] <maco> *problematic
[07:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: complain in the bug report
[07:41] <oxymoron> maco: WHat?! :D Does the size of rar archive has todo with RAM size, hahahahahaha :D
[07:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should also keep in mind that xz'ing will eat your system though ^^
[07:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: there is a bug report for this? 0_o
[07:41] <shadeslayer> well.. i dont mind...
[07:41] <oxymoron> maco: it should use as much RAM as it allowed todo without freeze the freaking system.
[07:42] <oxymoron> Cannot Ark limit this?
[07:42] <shadeslayer> but sure as hell makes kdesupport shrink from 150 MB to 85 MB
[07:42] <oxymoron> But then when moving files in Dolphin, my system is going slow as well.
[07:42]  * apachelogger notes that the kernel should limit this anyhow
[07:42] <oxymoron> I think the problem is File transfers through DOlphin.
[07:42] <shadeslayer> bug 553668 ?
[07:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[07:43] <apachelogger> well yes, that too
[07:43] <oxymoron> But then it doesnt work good trhough terminal either :D
[07:43] <apachelogger> but there is a soyuz bug
[07:43] <maco> oxymoron: if its trying to store ALL of the data from the rar *in memory* it has plenty to do with it!
[07:43] <apachelogger> because the new source format actually supports xz already
[07:43] <apachelogger> it is just soyuz that does not
[07:43] <apachelogger> in fact it took soyuz years to grow bz2 support ^^
[07:43] <oxymoron> maco: Well why does it do that then, thats just hilarious :D
[07:43]  * apachelogger really wonders what is the big deal of adding more format support
[07:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw kdesupport import fails, new svn plugin might not be released for 4 weeks..
[07:44] <shadeslayer> ( its fixed in trunk )
[07:44] <apachelogger> Oo
[07:45] <apachelogger> does that thing work in any use case?
[07:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it does for kdelibs :D
[07:45] <apachelogger> well
[07:45] <apachelogger> it failed for that too, did it not?
[07:45] <shadeslayer> yep :P
[07:45] <shadeslayer> which reminds me.. import kdebase
[07:45] <oxymoron> CPU went unstable as hell when unrar is working, sometimes both cores work 100%, and both are 3.0 GHz, wtf?! RAM wasnt affected at all almost
[07:46] <shadeslayer> should i do that as a whole? or split it up
[07:46] <apachelogger> oxymoron: caused by unrar itself?
[07:46] <apachelogger> that is why people should use the lzma algorithm :P
[07:46] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Yes I guess so ... in process it said zoombie on CPU using percentage xD
[07:46] <apachelogger> way cheaper at decompression
[07:47] <oxymoron> apachelogger: First it went oup too 20 %, then zoombie :D
[07:47] <apachelogger> ufff
[07:47] <apachelogger> oxymoron: how large is that rar file?
[07:47] <apachelogger> !find unrar
[07:47] <oxymoron> apachelogger: This one is around 4.4 GB :P
[07:47] <apachelogger> oxymoron: do you use the free or regular unrar version?
[07:47] <apachelogger> hm
[07:48] <apachelogger> honest to darts vader....
[07:48] <oxymoron> apachelogger: regular one I think, but tried free one as well, none is good.
[07:48] <apachelogger> at 4.4 GB I completely understand that your system chokes
[07:48] <apachelogger> oxymoron: that is because the algorithm behind it is utter crap
[07:48] <oxymoron> In WIndows I could do unpacking many 4.4 GB archives without any problem.
[07:48] <oxymoron> at the same time
[07:48] <apachelogger> well
[07:49] <apachelogger> I think the kernel scheduler is messing up
[07:49] <apachelogger> it should not allocate that much CPU time to unrar that the system freezes
[07:49] <apachelogger> very bad scheduling IMHO
[07:49] <oxymoron> I hope someone will fix that someday then, this have been problematic for long time since I started using Linux/Kubuntu.
[07:49] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Agree
[07:49]  * maco wonders who uses rar to start with
[07:50] <oxymoron> maco: Everyone packing those freaking movies and so on, for the web ...
[07:50] <apachelogger> maco: file shar0rz
[07:50] <oxymoron> maco: I would use other archives if people didnt use rar :D
[07:50] <maco> apachelogger: yeah i think pirated software is the only thing ive ever seen rar'd
[07:51] <apachelogger> file shar0rz that do not get that compressing a movie will not give much gain ;)
[07:51] <oxymoron> gzip, tar or something like that would work better :)
[07:51] <apachelogger> file shar0rz that do not get that compressing flipping ISO images will not give much gain ;)
[07:51] <apachelogger> silly file shar0rz
[07:51] <oxymoron> I love KTorrent btw, best application ever :)
[07:52] <oxymoron> and Amarok :D
[07:52] <apachelogger> it is best when they distribute split rar files via bittorrent
[07:52] <apachelogger> because you know
[07:52] <apachelogger> torrent downloads each file individually
[07:52] <oxymoron> yeah :P
[07:52] <apachelogger> so if you make loads of small files
[07:52] <apachelogger> it is going to be faster
[07:52] <apachelogger> ;)
[07:52] <oxymoron> WHy cannot gzip or tar split files like that?
[07:52] <apachelogger> ...file shar0rz...
[07:52] <apachelogger> oxymoron: it can
[07:53] <apachelogger> just chop them up :P
[07:53] <oxymoron> apachelogger: But then you cannot extract them all at once? :P
[07:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: should i split kdebase into workspace, apps and runtime? or do i import them as a whole?
[07:53] <apachelogger> just put them back together :P
[07:53] <oxymoron> Btw, does anyone know if KSnapshot will be developed fruthermore and get more nice features like Gnomes?
[07:53] <apachelogger> I very much doubt rar is doing anything else (maybe add a CRC to each chunk, which of course makes the chunks grow...)
[07:54] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Hehe :P I hate that CRC, it make unraring fails many times and force me to use -kb option in terminal.
[07:54] <apachelogger> Pp
[07:54] <apachelogger> Oo
[07:54] <apachelogger> eh
[07:55] <apachelogger> CRC is there for a reason?
[07:55] <oxymoron> But now I am using control in KTorrent which make KTorrent redownload broken files :D
[07:55] <oxymoron> Yeah but CRC failures moslty doesnt affect movie file :P
[07:55] <apachelogger> they do
[07:55] <apachelogger> they just mostly do not do in a noticable manner
[07:55] <apachelogger> also CRC corruption could also occur if someone tempered with the bitstream I suppose
[07:56] <shadeslayer> hmm...
[07:56] <apachelogger> like inject malicious code
[07:56]  * shadeslayer goes with all in one
[07:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: really your decision
[07:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: all in one makes most sense IMHO
[07:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i see no point in splitting it up
[07:56] <apachelogger> right
[07:57] <oxymoron> apachelogger: I guess I shouldnt complain, after all I havent bought movies at all in my whole life :D
[07:57] <apachelogger> lol
[07:57] <oxymoron> apachelogger: My dad has bought some DVDs though. And I went to cinemas someitmes, if I know the movie is good :D
[07:57] <apachelogger> as long as you buy software :P
[07:58] <oxymoron> Uhm ... :D
[07:59] <apachelogger> this is scareful
[07:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: option parsing and that sort of stuff is going to be messy
[07:59] <oxymoron> I am thinking of pay for SPotify, but still to expensive. Its not regarding the money, them I have too much of. The problem is the worthyness of the service and I wont pay 99 SEK per month (4.99£ I think)
[07:59]  * apachelogger ponders writing his own option parser class 
[08:00] <oxymoron> I mostly become more willingly when they released native Spotify client on Linux.
[08:00] <apachelogger> spotify is written in Qt is it not?
[08:00] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Now it is, but not before I think.
[08:00] <apachelogger> ...going premium and using the linux client directly supports Qt development...
[08:01] <oxymoron> If it was like 39 or 49 SEK I would pay without doubt. There is one option unlimited version, but then I miss some features like play in my smartphone xD
[08:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~neon/kdebase/trunk
[08:03] <oxymoron> In the end theres about how worthy products and services is, and if the money is overcoming what you actually get :P I wont pay more than neccessary even if I can, that would hurt my feelings and going against how much I hate capitalism and materliasm.
[08:04] <oxymoron> SO thats one reason I prefer Linux before Windows, its bttter and I can even get it for free :)
[08:04] <oxymoron> Then I dont have to support greedy people which make me happy :D
[08:05] <shadeslayer> hehe
[08:05] <CIA-61> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100815070525-by0akxcasjnl1mcn * debian/ (changelog control) do not conflict ubuntu-sso-client
[08:05] <shadeslayer> i just use it because i can show off cool desktop effects and i dont have to worry about viruses
[08:05] <CIA-61> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100815070545-j29tfc4y8k86js2k * src/AuthHandler.cpp warning--
[08:06] <shadeslayer> and the fact that i can actually fix something on my own
[08:06] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: :D Its nice not have to worry about antivirus which make the computer itself blowup (Read Windows)
[08:06] <shadeslayer> hehe
[08:07] <apachelogger> last I checked my machine was a supreme virus pool
[08:07] <oxymoron> I hate those freaking licenses everywhere which not work, they control my computer and updates all the time and bugger me.
[08:07] <oxymoron> Norton itself is a freaking virus and integrate and importviruses through the core because its directinteract with the oS :D
[08:08] <CIA-61> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100815070754-vstv1bkgv3jls0o1 * src/AccessToken.cpp warning++--
[08:08] <oxymoron> Its better rely on the OS protection itself then use those freaking software antivurses :D
[08:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: quick question, if someone were to implement a piece of software that used qt to access a webcam, will it work the same on windows/linux/mac ?
[08:08] <oxymoron> You dont get upset if you dont know about it :D
[08:08] <apachelogger> that is like arguing against condoms really
[08:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[08:09] <apachelogger> I mean
[08:09] <apachelogger> the software will work (depending on the code  of course)
[08:09] <apachelogger> but the webcam access will not
[08:09] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Haha :D Well condoms mostly not work anyway ... xD
[08:09] <shadeslayer> thats my question 
[08:09] <shadeslayer> the part about webcam access
[08:09] <apachelogger> because there is no cross-platform library to access/manage/use/webcams
[08:10] <shadeslayer> thought so :(
[08:10] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Guess why we have so many mongolids in the world? :D
[08:10] <apachelogger> if that one wrote a library for that though
[08:10] <apachelogger> ...
[08:10]  * oxymoron just want to say he would love see webcams implemented. The more options you have, the more free you feel, and isnt KDE about freedom :D
[08:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: on second thought ... one could use libvlc
[08:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: my thoughts exactly
[08:11] <shadeslayer> :P
[08:11] <apachelogger> that raises issue of its own though
[08:11] <oxymoron> Even if you dont use a specific option it feels nice to know you can make a decision :)
[08:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: such as?
[08:11] <apachelogger> oxymoron: webcams are supported?
[08:12] <shadeslayer> whee... 1 MB remaining 
[08:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: restribution
[08:12] <apachelogger> or rather rebuilding and redistribution
[08:12] <shadeslayer> whut?!
[08:12] <shadeslayer> hmm
[08:12] <apachelogger> or on linux distribution in general
[08:12] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Uhm depends in what meaning weyre talking about. DVcams doesnt work through Firewire cmopletly and then no IM Client support webcams totally.
[08:12] <shadeslayer> you mean itll need building on every platform to check if it works
[08:12] <apachelogger> also I dunno what license libvlc is
[08:13] <apachelogger> oxymoron: kopete supports webcams
[08:13] <oxymoron> apachelogger: But sure, Linux core found them and so on.
[08:13] <apachelogger> and if you buy sensible hardware it will work with Linux
[08:13] <valorie> oxymoron: condoms DO work
[08:13] <valorie> if you use them
[08:13] <oxymoron> apachelogger: It doesnt work with my DVCAM which is working like a webcam through USB and Firefire. Cannot make it work in Kopete, Skype or anything.
[08:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, I mean you need to distribute a 3rd party library along your own app
[08:13] <valorie> and you are a bit crazed if you don't
[08:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: on mac and windows that is
[08:14] <oxymoron> valorie: Rather if you use them correctly, which most people doesnt do xD
[08:14] <shadeslayer> hmm
[08:14] <valorie> how hard is it (har har) to use them correctly?
[08:14] <oxymoron> valorie: I dont mind having a baby with my girl :D
[08:14] <valorie> seriously
[08:15] <valorie> as long as your girl feels the same
[08:15] <oxymoron> valorie: Yes I am serious ;) And ask people why it is so freaking hard to not overproduce human beings.
[08:15] <valorie> well, biology urges us to make babies
[08:15] <valorie> that's why it's hard not to
[08:15] <apachelogger> like rabbits we are children of mother nature
[08:16] <oxymoron> valorie: Yeah she feels the same. Though its not optimal having a baby right now, though I am studying master of engineer and well weyre both quite young :P
[08:16] <valorie> for sure
[08:16] <apachelogger> and mother nature has made us flipping horny
[08:16] <apachelogger> 24/7
[08:16] <maco> valorie: speak for yourself :P
[08:16] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Hahaha :D
[08:16] <valorie> maco: I done had my babies
[08:16] <valorie> :-)
[08:17] <maco> rather offtopic for this channel isnt it?
[08:17] <apachelogger> maco: you do not like the making?
[08:17]  * apachelogger thought everyone liked the making part ^^
[08:17]  * maco is an innocent catholic-school girl
[08:17] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: your doing a MS? :D
[08:17] <oxymoron> But nature doesnt force us to make more babies :P THen most parents treat their babies like its some kind of rightful right to have one evren if you dont take care of it.
[08:17]  * apachelogger sees now
[08:17] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: MS?
[08:17] <valorie> I didn't want to let the "condoms don't work" go by.....
[08:17] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: master of sciences 
[08:17] <shadeslayer> not the other one :P
[08:18] <maco> apachelogger: also, not everyone likes the making, in all seriousness.   http://asexuality.org
[08:18] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Not sure what that is in Sweidsh terms, but I think so :P
[08:18] <apachelogger> maco: point taken
[08:18] <apachelogger> everyone but asexual people like the making
[08:18] <valorie> biology acts on all of us, regardless of our feelings
[08:18] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: which branch?
[08:19] <valorie> sneaky nature!
[08:19] <oxymoron> apachelogger: I think most people like the pleasure no matter if its making or not :D
[08:19] <shadeslayer> like whats your specialization 
[08:19] <apachelogger> oxymoron: did you just compare me with a monkey? :O
[08:19] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Design and products development :) But studies yet and only 2/3 thrid year, so mostly theory.
[08:19] <shadeslayer> kdesupport uploaded \o/ https://edge.launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+builds?build_state=pending
[08:20] <oxymoron> apachelogger: What? :S
[08:20] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: ah ...
[08:20] <shadeslayer> itll take 3 flippin hours to build :/
[08:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what does your dpkg -L ubuntuone-kde spit out?
[08:20] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: But as a master of engineer it doesnt really matter hwat brahcn/area you take exam in, you can do almost whatever you like anyway.
[08:21] <shadeslayer> aha
[08:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i dont have that package
[08:21] <shadeslayer> and when i try to install :  ubuntuone-kde : Depends: libubuntuone-qt-api0 (= 0.0.0~alpha1+7-0ubuntu0~maverick0~ppa1) but it is not going to be installed
[08:21] <apachelogger> ah right
[08:21] <shadeslayer> and then  libubuntuone-qt-api0 : Depends: ubuntuone-client but it is not going to be installed
[08:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that explains why your icon is broken :P
[08:22] <shadeslayer> otoh.. how did that meta package get removed ^_^
[08:22] <apachelogger> it is not a meta package
[08:22] <shadeslayer> it has stuff? ok.. :P
[08:22] <apachelogger> it did get removed because of bogus package relation in ubuntu-sso-qt
[08:22] <apachelogger> which I hope to have fixed just a couple of minutes ago
[08:22] <apachelogger> not uploaded though
[08:23] <shadeslayer> ok
[08:23] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: I am not sure, but I would love designing boats in Carribean Sea if possible :D Or else I want to develop a new revolutionary transporting vehicle to replace cars and oil (Hopefully driven by air/water/garbage) and/or new battery technology :P But I have a lot more things I think I am able todo :P I am tired of this lazy and slow going development in the world.
[08:24] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: yeah me too :P
[08:24] <shadeslayer> but id rather do something in the computer networks industry
[08:24] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Companies just hold technology back with their freaking patent and licenses to earn more money in their greedy world :P
[08:24] <shadeslayer> thats why i have Electronics and Comm. Engineering in my undergraduate course  :)
[08:25] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: hehe 
[08:25] <valorie> oxymoron, I want the car from Back To The Future 2
[08:25] <valorie> the one that flies on garbage-fuel
[08:25]  * apachelogger will become astronaut and run off to vulcan first chance he gets
[08:26] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: I am uncertain if I want to work in the IT bransch, mostly boring works, deadlines, projects with incompetent people and so on :P
[08:26] <shadeslayer> valorie: lol
[08:26] <oxymoron> valorie: Haha yeah, wonder if possible to make one of those. I will bring that Delorian back to life :D
[08:26] <valorie> the Delorian was classy
[08:26] <apachelogger> oxymoron: people are never incompetent, there potential has merely not been unleashed
[08:26] <oxymoron> valorie: Love that hovering they do in the end of the Back to the future two :D
[08:26] <valorie> but .....Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads
[08:27] <valorie> that's the ticket
[08:27] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Well most people show the incompent side and cannot release there potential because of the limitated world of greedyness :D
[08:27] <oxymoron> valorie: Yes, feel like Star Wars with air "roads"? :D
[08:27] <apachelogger> nope, the problem is that they get not encouraged
[08:28] <valorie> would love to stop paving over the freaking planet
[08:28] <oxymoron> valorie: I think its realistic, not impossible.
[08:28] <apachelogger> which is exaclty what you are contributing to right now
[08:28] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Yes, limited which make most people go lazy and comfortable.
[08:28] <valorie> right, there would have to be lots of automatic pilot/air control
[08:28] <valorie> also, a lot more of us should be riding bikes, etc.
[08:29] <valorie> that never happens around here, because it's so unsafe
[08:29] <apachelogger> how is riding a bike unsafe?
[08:29] <apachelogger> do you have hunters shooting at cyclists? ^^
[08:29] <valorie> no safe edges to the roads
[08:29] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Well I cannot avoid saying the truth. I cannot encourage incompetence :P if people lift their fat ass and actually do good things I would encourage them.
[08:30] <valorie> and car drivers who are antagonistic
[08:30] <valorie> I do live out near woods, but usually no hunters
[08:30] <oxymoron> valorie: In Sweden riding bike is unsafe because they drive so freaking fast and get killed by accidental collisions because of unfocused drivers xD
[08:31] <apachelogger> oxymoron: if you blame it on incompetence how can you expect anyone to do anything?
[08:31] <valorie> http://goo.gl/maps/015q
[08:31] <oxymoron> I heard a lot of people being damaged for life in accidents with motorcycles
[08:31] <valorie> although much of that woods will be cut down in the next few years for more houses
[08:32] <valorie> LOTs more houses
[08:32] <valorie> :(
[08:32] <apachelogger> little boxes on the hill side, little boxes made out of ticky tacky...
[08:32] <apachelogger> ^
[08:32] <apachelogger> ^^
[08:32] <oxymoron> apachelogger: They have to work it up and sharpen up of course. There is potential, but incompetence is because of the lazyness and manipulation from the world market and people in higher hierachys.
[08:33] <apachelogger> dont blame it on others if you are not doing anything about it
[08:33] <oxymoron> apachelogger: I have seen my brother for instance which is/was sharp as hell. THen he went out on the streets and got lazy and its quite sad :(
[08:34] <oxymoron> apachelogger: I cannot change peoples mind, they have todo it themselves. Only thing I can do is to take care and work myself up, thats how I can contribute.
[08:34] <apachelogger> that is a very selfish attitude I might say
[08:35] <oxymoron> On my summerjob which I recently end this summer, I am one of the few percentage (Like 3% maybe) who work efficient on the warehouse. 
[08:35] <oxymoron> apachelogger: I am done being dragged down by others, I cannot force people to make their move. I can only show the way.
[08:36] <apachelogger> how are you showing the way by just doing your thing?
[08:36] <oxymoron> apachelogger: I have been depressed several times in my life because of other people abandon, being lazy, doesnt do anything and just being dumb.
[08:37] <oxymoron> apachelogger: By make other people look up to me and get inspirated ;)
[08:37] <oxymoron> But then I am talk to people as well and help :)
[08:38] <oxymoron> Its not that I ignore everything and everyone :P
[08:38] <CIA-61> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100815073806-rafqfm24hau3g02i * README add README
[08:38] <CIA-61> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100815073841-lsxl1xmw2u9rnfmv * AUTHORS add AUTHORS
[08:39] <oxymoron> ANyway, I got to go and eat some breakfast :P Fun to talk to ya guys, cya later aligator :P
[08:40] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: me too :P
[08:43] <CIA-61> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100815074259-hypf6oqphdoz09bn * INSTALL add INSTALL
[08:45] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/478267/
[08:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: ubuntu-sso is done for the summer
[08:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: your GSoC project completed ?
[08:46] <apachelogger> only the auth part
[08:46] <shadeslayer> and did you get all your $CASH ? :P
[08:46] <apachelogger> no
[08:46] <apachelogger> final eval is up
[08:46] <shadeslayer> ah :)
[08:46] <shadeslayer> whose your mentor?
[08:46] <apachelogger> jr
[08:46] <shadeslayer> oic
[08:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2010/Ideas << will that be valid for next year?
[08:48] <CIA-61> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100815074842-xkf1mjkkrquaxkl2 * (NOTES.oauth TODO) remove oauth notes from TODO, update todo
[08:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: valid in what sense?
[08:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: like suppose i want to do one of the projects next year, so are all of those projects taken up or some are left
[08:50] <apachelogger> most of them are not being done as part of GSOC 
[08:50] <apachelogger> that does not mean they will still be up next year
[08:50] <shadeslayer> yes, the ones that have not been done
[08:51] <shadeslayer> will those be still valid for GSoC ?
[08:51] <CIA-61> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100815075104-47t73810q2rwj3b4 * AUTHORS AUTHORS++
[08:51] <CIA-61> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100815075140-kp459b80gtf6s0l0 * INSTALL INSTALL++
[08:52] <CIA-61> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100815075224-2zvnyqnhxj89r5mw * (NOTES.dolphin README) dolphin.txt becomes NOTES.dolphin
[08:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sure
[08:53] <apachelogger> hm
[08:55] <CIA-61> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100815075511-td6c4z6ivealgfcb * src/share/ContactSelector.cpp also allow contact groups
[08:58] <CIA-61> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100815075814-92qe73b4k1429qcc * README add dependencies
[08:59] <CIA-61> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100815075952-p3v7ioinwbnwsmxw * README add deps
[09:00] <shadeslayer> libsrtp still needs to be moved to main :(
[09:35] <CIA-61> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100815083512-oxjvrxy4jvb108ff * src/kcmodule/ (FolderModule.h WebModule.h) q_object macros
[10:38] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: around?
[10:43] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: can you change the text at http://imagebin.ca/view/y9N-1vl0.html to : http://paste.ubuntu.com/478299/
[10:43] <shadeslayer> ( thats the patch ;) )
[10:57] <Mamarok> hm, can I set this to invalid? Isn't the PPA maintainer supposed to fix his package instead? -> bug 618082
[10:57] <Mamarok> it should not install in the same location IMO
[11:00] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: does OOo work for you>?
[11:01] <yofel> well, it should at least conflict with amarok-utils if that's the case, and since the package is from a PPA the bug is 'Invalid' right.
[11:01] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: why do you ask? I don't use it daily so I didn't try.
[11:02] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, it's still held back for me, but as it doesn't like my dark theme I've only used koffice since a while ago
[11:03] <yofel> it does *open* at least, didn't test more ^^
[11:05] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I have 3.2.0 here, works like a charm
[11:06]  * Mamarok considers switching to KOffice soon though
[11:07] <Mamarok> I only stay for compatibility reasons with OOo so far, I need to edit and save Excel files often
[11:07] <Mamarok> and that works for sure, not sure about Koffice
[11:13] <shadeslayer> hmm
[11:13] <shadeslayer> because.. it doesnt work on maverick
[11:14] <shadeslayer> it starts but i cant open files
[11:17] <shadeslayer> yofel: right now only kdelibs5-data is held back for me
[11:20] <yofel> hm, I can open .doc and .odt fine in writer
[11:20] <yofel> penoffice.org-writer:
[11:20] <yofel>   Installed: 1:3.2.1~rc2-2ubuntu1
[11:20] <yofel>   Candidate: 1:3.2.1-5ubuntu1
[11:21] <shadeslayer> penoffice?
[11:21] <shadeslayer> oh missing a o
[11:21] <yofel> c&p error :/
[11:22] <shadeslayer> amazing... i do not have that package
[11:22] <shadeslayer> guess that explains alot
[11:22] <shadeslayer> nor do i have openoffice.org-base :P
[11:23] <yofel> ^^
[11:23] <shadeslayer> freaky
[11:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: around?
[11:32] <shadeslayer> what are the deps of the neon ppa
[11:32] <apachelogger> hai!
[11:32] <apachelogger> I have no idea what you mean
[11:32] <shadeslayer> the neon ppa
[11:32] <shadeslayer> https://edge.launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+packages
[11:32]  * apachelogger really doesnt get how people can use IDEs
[11:33] <shadeslayer> theres a button : Edit ppa deps
[11:33] <shadeslayer> ( i cant find it since im not a admin in neon )
[11:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so?
[11:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what are those deps
[11:33] <apachelogger> additional repos that will be added to the sources.list of that PPA
[11:34] <shadeslayer> like any extra ppa's added?
[11:34] <apachelogger> aye
[11:34] <shadeslayer> yep
[11:34] <shadeslayer> which ones
[11:34] <apachelogger> are you sure it is a good idea to have grantlee from the branch?
[11:34] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^
[11:35] <yofel> apachelogger: not sure, I didn't set it to daily yet, should I use a snapshot of the 1.0 branch instead?
[11:36] <apachelogger> I think you should use the thing in the repo ^^
[11:36] <yofel> well, that's build against the wrong qt version
[11:36] <apachelogger> or on-demand-backport
[11:36] <apachelogger> oh
[11:36] <apachelogger> good point
[11:36] <apachelogger> yofel: in that case I would still build from a stable version/branch
[11:37] <yofel> ok, an idea how I can get such a branch imported on LP?
[11:37] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[11:37]  * yofel goes searching
[11:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: ask jelmer :P
[11:37] <apachelogger> I am glad if I do not need to touch the lunchpad :P
[11:37] <yofel> :D
[11:58] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://paste.ubuntu.com/478323/
[11:58] <apachelogger> getting somewhere here
[11:59] <Nightrose> apachelogger: \o/
[12:40] <apachelogger> hm
[12:41] <apachelogger> p caller.parent.version.to_s
[12:41] <apachelogger> something about this is fishy
[12:41] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I think I overengineered \o/
[12:41] <Nightrose> yay
[12:41] <Nightrose> :P
[12:43]  * apachelogger thinks that most of this junk is coming from limitations of the stock optparser of ruby :S
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: that text is inaccurate. The most recent version may not always be the most appropriate
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> for example, the most recent version could cause dependency issues, so apt elects to keep the current version
[13:54] <Riddell> gosh, I just got a Kubuntu help request e-mail from Matt Smith
[13:57] <nigelb> Riddell: omg! Dr. Who? o.O
[13:58] <Riddell> I expect so, very uncommon name that, hardly likely someone else would have the same name
[13:59] <nigelb> wow wow wow
[13:59] <nigelb> but there is http://twitter.com/mattstech though
[14:37] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: oic
[15:36] <shadeslayer> anyone running trunk KDE?
[15:47] <Tm_T> me, I, this guy right here
[15:48] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: hehe
[15:48] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: ok ill contact you in a few mins :D
[15:48] <Tm_T> roger
[15:58] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: patch http://pastebin.com/DDi5PwDm
[15:58] <shadeslayer> after building change values of folder view in its config file
[15:58] <shadeslayer> and watch for changes :D
[16:02] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: I don't use folderview, what that should do?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: i cant find the config file myself :P
[16:03] <shadeslayer> lemme grep .kde
[16:07] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: .kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[16:07] <Tm_T> yes?
[16:08] <shadeslayer> change config values for m_customLabel
[16:08] <shadeslayer> or pastebin me that file
[16:10] <Tm_T> sorry, but I don't fully understand what you're after (:
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Tasks#Plasmoids
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: please pastebin that file :)
[16:11] <shadeslayer> youll need to add folder view first of course
[16:11] <Tm_T> after or before applying the patch? (:)
[16:12] <shadeslayer> apply patch > build and install > add folder view > pastebin file :P
[16:14] <apachelogger> ulysses, shadeslayer: ubuntuone-kde should now be installable again
[16:14] <shadeslayer> whee
[16:14] <ulysses> \o/
[16:14]  * ulysses have to go home to test
[16:14] <Tm_T> apachelogger: in Lucid?
[16:14] <apachelogger> no
[16:14] <Tm_T> bah
[16:15]  * shadeslayer installs
[16:15] <ulysses> real men use development release only^^
[16:15] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:15] <Tm_T> I'm not the only user here
[16:16] <apachelogger> ubuntuone-share requires an akonadi view that is only available in 4.5
[16:17] <apachelogger> + one would need an ever patched syncd anyway
[16:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: installs, but i still dont have icon
[16:17] <apachelogger> blame kpc or dolphin
[16:18] <shadeslayer> kpc?
[16:18] <apachelogger> kpixmapcache
[16:19] <apachelogger> meh
[16:19] <apachelogger> the design of this new release script of mine is just awesome, except for option parsing stuff
[16:20] <apachelogger> that just does not go well with the dynamics
[16:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lol : http://imagebin.ca/view/v5QTFrB.html
[16:20] <apachelogger> there
[16:20] <apachelogger> not my fault
[16:21] <shadeslayer> hah
[16:21] <shadeslayer> clicking on it makes the ? icon appear
[16:21] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: whut happened? 
[16:21] <apachelogger> pfff
[16:22] <apachelogger> what elese is there?
[16:22]  * apachelogger dances with markey
[16:24] <shadeslayer> lets see if it syncs :)
[16:25] <shadeslayer> whee
[16:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kongrats, your app works :)
[16:25] <shadeslayer> except for the icon bit
[16:26] <shadeslayer> would be nice to have KDE icons tho
[16:39] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: uno momento
[16:40] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[16:41] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: http://www.tm-travolta.net/traces/plasma-desktop-20100815-183835.kcrash
[16:41] <shadeslayer> ouch
[16:44] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: you changed the values and it crashed? :
[16:45] <shadeslayer> #8  0x02ba4c27 in FolderView::configChanged (this=0x8689c60) at /home/kde4/src/KDE/kdebase/apps/plasma/applets/folderview/folderview.cpp:444 << hmm
[16:46] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: I applied the patch and started with no ~/.kde
[16:46] <shadeslayer> and it crashed on start up?
[16:48] <Tm_T> yes
[16:48] <shadeslayer> maybe it needs a condition to check if the config is actually there or not
[16:50] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: does plasma come back up?
[16:51] <Tm_T> no
[16:51] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:51] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: sorry i broke your plasma
[16:51] <Tm_T> no you didn't, I simply reverted the patch
[16:52] <shadeslayer> well thats another option ^_^
[17:29] <apachelogger> what patch?
[17:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^^
[17:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: plasma JJ patch : http://pastebin.com/DDi5PwDm
[17:30] <shadeslayer> which causes http://www.tm-travolta.net/traces/plasma-desktop-20100815-183835.kcrash
[17:30] <shadeslayer> and im yet to figure out how to fix it :P
[17:31] <apachelogger> what is uiDisplay?
[17:31] <shadeslayer>     Ui::folderviewDisplayConfig uiDisplay;
[17:31] <apachelogger> you probably access something that is not there (config ui elements for example)
[17:31] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:32] <shadeslayer> i do think so
[17:32] <shadeslayer>     const QString label = uiDisplay.labelEdit->text();
[17:32] <apachelogger> well that is defenitely where the crash happens ^^, so something is fishy about that labelEdit 
[17:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: same thing works in another function, but that does not validate my pov :P
[17:33] <apachelogger> it actually only supports my theory :P
[17:34] <shadeslayer> yeah : http://pastebin.com/a48T18Qp << the whole file
[17:34] <shadeslayer> line 805
[17:35] <shadeslayer> means there should be something before that line to import my uiDisplay object
[17:35] <apachelogger> uiDisplay is a designer ui file
[17:36] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:36] <apachelogger> that needs setupUi called or the stuff breaks
[17:36] <shadeslayer> aha
[17:36] <apachelogger> which is of course not an option in your function
[17:36] <apachelogger> ...so I would rethink the use of that beasty...
[17:36] <apachelogger> and whether it is necessary to access that stuff in there at all ^^
[17:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i have to check the label if its empty or not and reload it accordingly
[17:37] <apachelogger> in that case you should probably first check some things
[17:38] <shadeslayer> such as?
[17:38] <shadeslayer> actually
[17:38] <shadeslayer> that checks if the current label is same as m_customLabel
[17:39] <shadeslayer> and then update m_customLabel accordingly
[17:39] <apachelogger> label != m_customLabel
[17:39] <apachelogger> I wonder if that makes all that much sense
[17:40] <shadeslayer> i know... i didnt do a good job of explaining
[17:40] <apachelogger> well, no
[17:40] <shadeslayer> see  what im doing is reloading all values in configChanged
[17:41] <apachelogger> I just wonder about the performance trade off here
[17:41] <apachelogger> since in the worst case this will cause a qstrcompare and a qstrcopy
[17:42] <apachelogger> anyhow
[17:42] <apachelogger> needs some work
[17:42] <apachelogger> on the right way it is though
[17:42] <shadeslayer> thanks for the tip :)
[17:50] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: poke
[17:50] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/NiPST2iA << new patch
[17:56] <apachelogger> eclipse's search is very much full of crap
[17:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are you studying or working ?
[17:58] <apachelogger> I am not exactly sure right now
[17:58] <apachelogger> also I am not sure I understand the question
[17:58] <shadeslayer> i mean.. are you a student or doing a job?
[17:59] <shadeslayer> or both :P
[17:59] <apachelogger> student
[18:00] <shadeslayer> post graduation i presume?
[18:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bachelor of science
[18:03] <shadeslayer> ah.. im in Bachelor of Tech. :P
[18:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw your free right? unlike other GSoC students rushing to complete their projects... 
[18:05] <apachelogger> if one is rushing now, one has done something very wrong with the schedule :P
[18:05] <apachelogger> IMHO
[18:05] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:06] <shadeslayer> well theyre fixing some last minute bugs that are trivial
[18:06] <apachelogger> supposedly I would do the same if someone would be reporting such things ^^
[18:06] <apachelogger> instead I am writing IniConfig parsers ^^
[18:06] <shadeslayer> for eg. on of my friends was working on skrooge dashboard, and at the last minute someone reported that theming didnt work
[18:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: theres a command to find out reverse deps of packages right?
[18:07] <shadeslayer> rdepends or something
[18:07] <shadeslayer> nvm
[18:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-check-package-dependencies-with-apt-rdepends-on-ubuntu.html
[18:08] <apachelogger> there is also a scripty in devscripts for build-deps btw
[18:09] <shadeslayer> whodepends ?
[18:10] <shadeslayer> nope
[18:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/a48T18Qp : line 467 to 472, should be fine to update the widget right?
[18:13] <shadeslayer> or more appropriately the variables preceding 471
[18:15]  * apachelogger lols since he apparently just replicated the core functionallity of KDE's create_tarball.rb script in some 15 sloc
[18:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you sure those line numbers are right?
[18:17] <apachelogger> nvm
[18:17] <apachelogger> wrong tab
[18:17] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:17] <shadeslayer> ever since i started this JJ, i have more than 7 tabs at any momen :P
[18:18] <apachelogger> looks good
[18:18] <shadeslayer> it got so bad at one time, that ever alternate tab was for project neon and the other one for plasma
[18:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: awesome.. any other thing that you want me to fix?
[18:18] <shadeslayer> ( in this particular function )
[18:20] <shadeslayer>     m_alignToGrid         = cg.readEntry("alignToGrid", m_alignToGrid); can be moved up in that list as well
[18:21] <apachelogger> strip them whitespaces :P
[18:21] <apachelogger>     m_numTextLines        = cg.readEntry("numTextLines", m_numTextLines);
[18:21] <shadeslayer> i thought that was the format ^_^
[18:22] <apachelogger> well, it can be, but sure as hell not longer than the longest variable of a variable block
[18:22] <apachelogger> and only in a variable block to begin with
[18:22] <apachelogger> so
[18:22] <apachelogger> foobar = 1;
[18:22] <apachelogger> foo    = 2;
[18:22] <apachelogger> is fine (depending on who you ask)
[18:22] <apachelogger> but
[18:22] <apachelogger> foobar       = 1;
[18:23] <apachelogger> foo          = 2;
[18:23] <apachelogger> is not
[18:23] <apachelogger> also I personally do not like that sort of formating in large piles of software at all
[18:23] <shadeslayer> oic
[18:23] <apachelogger> if you need to rearanage stuff your vars get all messed up
[18:23] <apachelogger> unless the block of variables never changes ;)
[18:25] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/w7HgrGwk 
[18:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: need advice as to what should be done with new m_previewPlugins variable
[18:27] <apachelogger> what is new about?
[18:27] <shadeslayer> oh nvm
[18:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the spaces
[18:27] <shadeslayer> i removed them :P
[18:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh btw, rekonq now also has google suggestions
[18:29] <shadeslayer> http://imagebin.ca/view/01OiwlV.html
[18:29] <shadeslayer> uses konqueror search bar
[18:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kde uses true or 1 for passing boolean values ?
[18:34]  * shadeslayer hazards a guess at true
[18:35] <shadeslayer> AND
[18:35] <shadeslayer> a big question
[18:35] <shadeslayer> suppose i have a function emitting signals at the end, do i need to connect that or can i directly call that function
[18:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kde uses true unless there is reason not to use a bool (like when doing C in which case general C logic applies where 1 == true)
[18:37] <shadeslayer> alright.. and my 2nd question ? :)
[18:45] <shadeslayer> i guess your busy, will ask on #plasma
[18:47] <rbelem> hey Riddell 
[18:50]  * Quintasan is back
[19:05] <slug> hi, i'm trying to install paraview, which depends on libqt4-assistant: Depends: libqt4-network (= 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu5) but 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu3~lucid1~ppa4 is to be installed
[19:05] <slug> Depends: libqtcore4 (= 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu5) but 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu3~lucid1~ppa4 is to be installed
[19:05] <slug> i recently installed kde 4.5 from the ppa.
[19:06] <slug> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports i mean
[19:07] <slug> i can always go back i guess, but i'm wondering if maverick will have the same issue?
[19:09] <rbelem> Riddell, ScottK, apachelogger, I uploaded the first kubuntu-mobile-default-settings to revu. Can you take a look? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kubuntu-mobile-default-settings 
[19:09] <rbelem> :-)
[19:18] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Anything new regarding rekonw ppa yet? :P
[19:18] <shadeslayer> oh noes... see you didnt remind me :D
[19:18] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: ok i have 15 mins
[19:18] <shadeslayer> distro + rekonq version
[19:19] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rekonq but Lucid doesnt have 0.5, only maverick? :S
[19:19] <shadeslayer> ohhhhh
[19:19] <shadeslayer> you want rekonq in official ppa?
[19:19] <shadeslayer> i mean
[19:19] <shadeslayer> official archives
[19:20] <shadeslayer> cant be done
[19:20] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: WHy not?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: because we dont have kde 4.5 in archives
[19:22] <rbelem> brb
[19:22] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Is Rekonq 0.5 dependent of KDE 4.5? :S
[19:22] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:22] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: i can upload to ppa
[19:23] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Aha I see ... Well I guess I wait for MAverick then :P
[19:23] <jjesse> is 4.5 what i get w/ maverick?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> jjesse: yes
[19:23] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Not neccessary, I use daily ppa instead.
[19:23] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: https://launchpad.net/~rekonq/+archive/rekonq-daily
[19:23] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: alright, but thats under heavy neglect from me and bulldog right now ^_^
[19:24] <shadeslayer> ill trigger a build hold on
[19:24] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Doesnt use it very much anyway :P Isnt as stable as Firefox yet. But when it is, then I will abandon Firefox.
[19:24] <oxymoron> Most problems is because of buggy Webkit engine.
[19:24] <oxymoron> Gecko Engine is today most stable IMO :P
[19:25] <shadeslayer> im in favour of webkit 
[19:25] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: sorry cant do anything, lp is going beserk
[19:25] <shadeslayer> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. :P
[19:25] <oxymoron> hehe :P
[19:25] <oxymoron> Np
[19:25] <shadeslayer> will try tmmrw from college
[19:25] <oxymoron> THanks for trying :)
[19:26] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: right now project neon and some other JJ's are at a priority :)
[19:27] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Btw may I ask, IF I should contribute somewhere on software market, where is the absolute best place to start with best developers and serious projects making differences? :P
[19:27] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: you should first of all know basic C++
[19:27] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Yeah, well Rekonq isnt that important right now anyway.
[19:27] <shadeslayer> that is a must
[19:27] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: I know basic C++, Python, Java so ...
[19:27] <oxymoron> It was awhile though xD
[19:27] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: you can compile 0.5 on 4.5 if you have kde 4.5 :P
[19:28] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: then find a JJ with kde people
[19:28] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: JJ?
[19:28] <shadeslayer> or with a project that you really like
[19:28] <jjesse> junior job
[19:28] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:28] <jjesse> i now just about that
[19:28] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Is KDE the most serious project on the whole market right now?
[19:28] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: for eg. i just finished this patch  http://pastebin.com/3xG6vW7Y
[19:29] <oxymoron> I want to contribute on some project which matter A LOT for people using it.
[19:29] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: it has alot of interesting stuff :D
[19:29] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:29] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Nice, doesnt look to hard learning code in that way :)
[19:30] <oxymoron> But most of all I want a interesting project which attract me.
[19:30] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: find a project you think is going to make it big soonish > mail a request to their ML  asking for a JJ > Voila!
[19:30] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: When I enter the project it will go big :D
[19:31] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[19:31] <shadeslayer> ok im off to sleep.. its 12 AM :P
[19:31] <shadeslayer> and ive only slept 4 hours since yesterday :D
[19:31] <oxymoron> Hmm maybe a free Linux Spotify client :P
[19:31] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Hehe :P
[19:31] <jjesse> you can always do documentation :)
[19:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: please promote libsrtp to main :)
[19:31] <shadeslayer> kdenetwork is ftbfs due to that
[19:31] <oxymoron> jjesse: Yeah if I want to kill myself :D
[19:32] <jjesse> hey its not that bad
[19:32] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: dude.. i did docs for rekonq
[19:32] <shadeslayer> you get to learn XML :P
[19:32] <shadeslayer> and like jjesse said.. its not that bad 
[19:32] <jjesse> or you can just send me the changes and i'll get them applied
[19:33] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: I have all programming skills, I mostly need to learn QT structure and how people working on these projects
[19:33] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: usually IRC or ML's
[19:33] <oxymoron> I barely want to document my own framework ... why would I document something else? :P
[19:42] <xelister> hi, please review this patch and SRU it:
[19:42] <xelister> +	 if (!(leftActiveTab < leftTabTypes.size())) { leftActiveTab=0; } // fix bug LP: #481198
[19:42] <xelister> fixes Krusader medium bug (always crash on startup)
[19:43] <shadeslayer> bug 481198
[19:43] <xelister> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/53767856/krusader_2.0.0-1ubuntu4.debdiff
[19:44] <shadeslayer> xelister: ok thats a wrong debdiff
[19:44] <shadeslayer> xelister: you need to put in a patch in debian/patches/foo.patch
[19:44] <shadeslayer> and not actually modify the actual file
[19:44] <shadeslayer> also, please forward to upstream
[19:45] <xelister> huh
[19:45] <xelister> can anyone of you do that?
[19:45] <xelister> its 2 line patch to fix medium prio bug.  (and Im out of time currently)
[19:45] <shadeslayer> im off to sleep as well
[19:46] <shadeslayer> xelister: can you come back again tommorow ?
[19:46] <shadeslayer> *tomorrow
[19:48] <xelister> perhaps, depends.  :)
[19:50] <xelister> never mind it seems to anyway work correctly on maveric, perhaps fixed upstream. shadeslayer
[19:51] <shadeslayer> could be :)
[19:57] <yofel> shadeslayer: forwarding not needed, fixed in 2.2.0-beta1 in maverick
[19:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah xelister just confirmed it works
[20:28] <amichair> shadeslayer: did u find where software-properties-kde broke?
[21:19] <yofel> what was the screen height that triggers plasma-netbook again?
[21:23] <apachelogger> I propose that someone makes a movie about me
[21:23] <apachelogger> any takers?
[21:23] <yofel> not me, but get me a ticket so I can watch it :P
[21:23] <rbelem> lol
[21:25] <yofel> I have stuff in systemsettings/lost_and_found, what should I report that against? http://imagebin.ca/view/MpIijig7.html
[21:26] <jussi> apachelogger: go find Rexbron.
[21:26] <apachelogger> not found
[21:29] <apachelogger> o/o/o/o/o/
[21:29] <apachelogger> \o\o\o\o\o
[21:33] <debfx> yofel: i'll fix it
[21:33] <yofel> thanks :)
[22:28] <debfx> apachelogger: do you have time to sponsor those kcm category fixes?