| Muscovy | Is the release day still Sunday? | 02:34 |
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| nisshh | Muscovy: should be :) | 02:39 |
| godbyk | Muscovy: It'll be released on Monday, the 16th. | 02:45 |
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| KE1HA | anyone from the manual team around ? | 05:36 |
| Muscovy | I suppose I'm manual team, so yes. | 05:50 |
| KE1HA | Hello, just a quick question, as far as writing a manual chapter goes, are we only allowed to use / write about applications that are part of the default installation? | 05:55 |
| Muscovy | I believe so. | 06:01 |
| Muscovy | At the present at least, there's no "other neat applications" section. | 06:01 |
| Muscovy | The closest is mentioning things like Wine and codecs. | 06:01 |
| brandonj | I would probably try to stay away from writing all new content now | 06:02 |
| Muscovy | Though a section akin to the software centre's Featured Applications might be a good idea for the 10.10 manual. | 06:02 |
| brandonj | Is e2 ready to go for monday? | 06:04 |
| Muscovy | I believe it is. | 06:05 |
| brandonj | wonderful! | 06:05 |
| KE1HA | Thanks all, Im looking for a backup applicaiton, and there several in the repos, but none are installed by default. | 06:09 |
| KE1HA | Which, I really dont understand why not. | 06:10 |
| april_g | hi everyone :) | 06:10 |
| april_g | i was wondering, do you have any plans of writing documentation for ubuntu netbook edition? | 06:10 |
| brandonj | I think a netbook edition was talked about, but right now we're focusing on getting lucid-edition2 and maverick out | 06:11 |
| brandonj | perhaps in the future? | 06:12 |
| KE1HA | that's what I was told as well, focus on v2 then 10.10 | 06:12 |
| april_g | ok. i was actually interested in helping out with that. | 06:12 |
| april_g | is there anything that still needs doing for maverick? | 06:12 |
| KE1HA | Well, the Devs are doing allot of work on it still april_g its not do out until October. | 06:13 |
| brandonj | yes, maverick has lots to do | 06:13 |
| KE1HA | However, if you wnat to Join the Testing teams, you can get familiar with it at the early stages. | 06:13 |
| april_g | i meant in terms of the manual. :) i'm not really sure about the process yet, but i'd really like to get into that | 06:13 |
| april_g | thanks KE1HA , i'll look into that :) | 06:14 |
| KE1HA | They have have to finish the release before we could really start writing, I guess there will be commonalties, but safer to wait I'd think. | 06:15 |
| brandonj | april_g: considering sending out an email to the ubuntu-manual mailing list, I'm not sure where we stand on Maverick stuff yet | 06:15 |
| april_g | thanks brandonj i'll do that as well :) | 06:15 |
| KE1HA | On thing that will definitely help you is reading the styles guide and playing around with the markup lang. and getting familiar | 06:17 |
| KE1HA | Tex is all new to me, so been learning allot from the guide. | 06:18 |
| april_g | I'm new to Tex as well. Im still messing around with it :) | 06:21 |
| april_g | thanks for the info guys! i appreciate it :) | 06:21 |
| april_g | i hope you don't mind if i just hang out here on irc | 06:22 |
| april_g | :) | 06:22 |
| brandonj | the more the merrier | 06:27 |
| brandonj | unless you turn out to be a jerk | 06:27 |
| brandonj | =P | 06:27 |
| KE1HA | It's nice to see activity in here, sometimes its rather quiet. I saw your e-mail the other day about joining (alt least I think it was yours) , so welcome aboard. | 06:28 |
| april_g | brandonj i'm pretty nice, i think :) i haven't been told otherwise | 06:32 |
| april_g | lol | 06:32 |
| april_g | thanks KE1HA | 06:32 |
| Omega | Ubuntu should have some sort of tutorial at first boot. | 06:33 |
| Omega | A little walkthrough. | 06:34 |
| KE1HA | You were a tech-0writer for a tech-dev company right? I spent many year in tech as well. | 06:34 |
| KE1HA | Whoop tech-writer .. | 06:34 |
| Omega | Like, showing the user how to open the browser. | 06:34 |
| Omega | And playing a song. | 06:34 |
| Omega | Making a odt document. | 06:34 |
| april_g | KE1HA yes, for several years | 06:35 |
| Muscovy | You know, I wonder if we could see the manual become a part of the example content. | 06:35 |
| KE1HA | Yeah, like take the Ubuntu tour or something? | 06:35 |
| Omega | , | 06:35 |
| april_g | Omega like a quick start guide? | 06:35 |
| Omega | Install a package. | 06:35 |
| Omega | Yes. | 06:35 |
| Omega | But, interactive. | 06:35 |
| Omega | It 'tracks' your progress. | 06:35 |
| KE1HA | I've tried to make those before, Im not too savvy at it, but they are neat. | 06:35 |
| brandonj | I think it needs one of those 'Welcome' videos like OS x | 06:36 |
| brandonj | </SARCASM> | 06:36 |
| Omega | And tell the user about free replacements to some windows (or mac) apps that they are used to. | 06:36 |
| april_g | Omega having a tutorial like that would be cool, especially for those new to the system :) | 06:36 |
| Omega | It would help a lot. | 06:36 |
| brandonj | its a good idea Omega | 06:36 |
| april_g | it would make ubuntu far less intimidating | 06:36 |
| Omega | Maybe I should start a project like that. | 06:36 |
| brandonj | I would be interested in working on something like that | 06:36 |
| Omega | Cool. | 06:36 |
| Omega | We'll call it Ubuntu Tour or something like that. | 06:37 |
| Omega | I'm open to suggestions :) | 06:37 |
| brandonj | I was never very good at thinking up names | 06:37 |
| KE1HA | Well, woking the Ubuntu answers on Launchpad, and the ubuntu channel, there 10 to maby 15 topis that are beat to death by new users every day, simple things, I think that would certainly help with that problem. | 06:37 |
| Omega | And, it can let the user set up a launchpad account and submit his/her first bug :) | 06:38 |
| KE1HA | Like how do I see / get my files on my windows box? | 06:38 |
| Omega | And maybe explain what the "Home Folder" is, when they are only used to "My Documents" | 06:39 |
| KE1HA | How do I get my music to play from windows, and it goes on an on an on. Simple things. | 06:39 |
| Omega | Indeed. | 06:39 |
| Omega | It is those things that make the biggest impact on users. | 06:39 |
| Muscovy | Omega: I'd join that project. :D | 06:39 |
| brandonj | Omega: you should start this up | 06:39 |
| brandonj | I'm suprised nobody has done something like that before, actually | 06:40 |
| april_g | definitely Omega. i'd join this project | 06:40 |
| Omega | Well, what should we call it guys? | 06:40 |
| KE1HA | For idea, sit in the ubuntu channel fer about a weeks, and make a little matrix, on topics v.s. ho many time they are asked, that would eb a good starting point. | 06:40 |
| Omega | Mhm. | 06:41 |
| Omega | It would. | 06:41 |
| brandonj | tutelage! | 06:41 |
| Omega | Also, I'd like to look at how UM is organized | 06:41 |
| Muscovy | Ubuntu Tour sounds good, if ordinary. | 06:41 |
| KE1HA | I think another area that needs help is, showing people "where to get help", there so many resources, people get lost in where to go. | 06:42 |
| Omega | Indeed. | 06:42 |
| Omega | So, #ubuntu-tour is open | 06:43 |
| Omega | But, we can also hang out here | 06:43 |
| KE1HA | I think theres a Ubuntu-beginners channel already, may be worth while to explore what they done as well. | 06:43 |
| KE1HA | Omega, Organized, I would really like to see that structure also, but I guess that's the nature of open source, if can be very free-flowing. | 06:46 |
| Omega | Eh, I'm an anarchist, but organization is never bad :) | 06:47 |
| KE1HA | I hope you all don't have to proof anything I write, geezz, just looked at all those typos' LOL Not good ! | 06:47 |
| KE1HA | I' not looking for the head of the ship or anything, just an overview would be nice. | 06:49 |
| KE1HA | Take for instance, documentation on its on, There's the Manual, there's wiki's, systems docs, How-To's personal wiki's the forums, there's allot of stuff. | 06:50 |
| april_g | exactly KE1HA. it gets rather overwhelming | 06:50 |
| KE1HA | Then, the different distros, their cross overs, uniqueness etc etc .. somewhere there needs to be the Pond where all the water comes from :-) | 06:51 |
| Muscovy | A wiki page or something would probably be the best start. | 06:51 |
| Muscovy | If people don't like the Ubuntu wiki, we could always throw a Mediawiki or something up. | 06:52 |
| brandonj | I think ubuntu manual will do for now | 06:53 |
| brandonj | err | 06:53 |
| brandonj | ubuntu wiki | 06:53 |
| KE1HA | I honestly dont know what the right answer is or could be. It's just a vast subject. | 06:53 |
| Muscovy | Hmm. | 06:54 |
| KE1HA | I think the Documentations Team is the top level, as it branches to Systems, and Applications. Maybe that's where the manual should branch from, not sure. | 06:54 |
| KE1HA | But it seems focused on Ubuntu alone, then there's the Distro's. | 06:55 |
| Omega | What programs/subjects should the tour cover? | 06:55 |
| Muscovy | The manual would take a lot of converting, If another distro used it, I imagine it would mostly be for the Tex. | 06:55 |
| brandonj | getting online | 06:55 |
| Muscovy | Firefox for sure. | 06:56 |
| brandonj | installing/updating packages | 06:56 |
| april_g | might be good to include something about the organization of the files on ubuntu | 06:56 |
| Muscovy | Software centre, a bit of Nautilus. | 06:56 |
| brandonj | and getting additional help | 06:56 |
| Omega | http://openetherpad.org/GUNcK2dx75 | 06:56 |
| Omega | We can all add. | 06:56 |
| KE1HA | Basic How too's fer sure. Instll Unix, Solaris or FreeBSD on a VM, then write down the questions you get trying to do things, that's what new users to Ubuntu are faced with. | 06:56 |
| brandonj | damn, why am I always pink? | 06:57 |
| KE1HA | I'd say, how yo just opened that pad would be a good one :-) Never new that could be done. | 06:58 |
| KE1HA | I can't get in the Pad thingy | 07:01 |
| KE1HA | april_g1, how did you get in there ? | 07:01 |
| april_g1 | you're already on there KE1HA :) i see your name | 07:02 |
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| KE1HA | Do you type just in the main frame ? | 07:03 |
| Muscovy | Yes. | 07:03 |
| KE1HA | Ok, never use this before, its pretty neat. | 07:03 |
| === april_g1 is now known as april_g | ||
| === april_g1 is now known as april_g | ||
| KE1HA | Good brainstorm session all, look fer you tomorrow. | 08:11 |
| Omega | Indeed. | 08:11 |
| april_g | i just realized we haven't come up with a name yet. :) should we stick with ubuntu-tour? | 08:16 |
| Muscovy | I like it, but I'm not sure. | 08:17 |
| Muscovy | When in doubt, I'm going to look up synonyms. | 08:17 |
| april_g | ok :) coz i don't know what to use as the name for the LP team. | 08:18 |
| april_g | so.. i think i'll just wait for the others on that | 08:18 |
| Muscovy | Probably best, yeah. | 08:22 |
| Muscovy | Hmm, I guess ubuntu-tour. | 08:24 |
| KE1HA | +1 from me, it identifies well with the purpose. | 08:35 |
| april_g | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour this should do for now | 08:41 |
| april_g | we can update the details: ownership, description (to include goals and other pertinent information) tomorrow | 08:41 |
| april_g | should we have the mailing list hosted on launchpad or do you guys prefer having it hosted somewhere else? | 08:41 |
| Muscovy | Launchpad is fine, IMO. | 08:42 |
| april_g | ok. i've also filed in a request for the mailing list on LP | 08:45 |
| Muscovy | I'll play around with a few logo ideas before I go to bed. | 08:46 |
| Muscovy | Oh, mailing list is up already it seems. | 08:47 |
| april_g | great! | 08:49 |
| KE1HA | Man you all are flying though this :-) | 10:06 |
| KE1HA | april_g, How did you create the LP ? | 10:06 |
| april_g | KE1HA: i justwent to launchpad.net and there was an option to create a team :) | 10:09 |
| april_g | i'll leave the creation of the project Omega :) | 10:10 |
| KE1HA | Easy Peezy :-) | 10:10 |
| KE1HA | I've not created one before, so was curious. | 10:10 |
| april_g | KE1HA i thought you guys went to sleep already :) | 10:12 |
| KE1HA | No, Im working on a Desktop-App-Testing matrix, looking at the cross-overs from UB / XUB/ EDUB | 10:14 |
| nisshh | KE1HA: sounds interesting, care to tell me more? | 10:17 |
| nisshh | april_g: its only 5:17PM where i am | 10:17 |
| nisshh | :) | 10:17 |
| april_g | nisshh we're about the same :) | 10:17 |
| nisshh | april_g: ah ok | 10:18 |
| KE1HA | Yes sure it's the QA team, we test ISO's and Desktop applications on new Distrobuitons. Hold on, will get the linky | 10:18 |
| nisshh | KE1HA: ah, your on the QA team? cool :) | 10:18 |
| KE1HA | Yeah, its allot of fun. | 10:18 |
| KE1HA | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com' | 10:18 |
| KE1HA | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures | 10:19 |
| nisshh | nice | 10:19 |
| april_g | interesting :) | 10:19 |
| april_g | nisshh are you somewhere in asia? | 10:20 |
| nisshh | KE1HA: i thought about joining to QA team, but i decided manual + dev-manual + bugsquad + others is enough :) | 10:20 |
| KE1HA | We're adding more and more Apps to the Desktop Apps fer testing, and there's nothign yet on Xubuntu and EDubuntu, so im working on that. | 10:20 |
| nisshh | april_g: australia :) | 10:20 |
| nisshh | KE1HA: sounds awesome :) | 10:20 |
| april_g | KE1HA the QA thing looks really nice. :) altho i think i'll stick to the docs for now, seeing as I'm still new to all this | 10:21 |
| KE1HA | Yeah, I was on the Hall of Fame for about three days Wooo-Hoo :-).. had the most tested ISO's fer a week :-) | 10:21 |
| KE1HA | We also QA docs. | 10:22 |
| nisshh | nice | 10:22 |
| april_g | doc QA might be something i can help with :) | 10:23 |
| KE1HA | Yeah, I think its importand, the whoel End-User experience starts when they Install, and if it falls over, its a negative impact from then on aout. | 10:23 |
| KE1HA | Important. | 10:23 |
| nisshh | yea | 10:23 |
| nisshh | although most end-users despise docs | 10:24 |
| KE1HA | Yeah, definately, they only want a doc when somethign goes wrong. | 10:24 |
| april_g | nisshh ya. lol. they only consult docs when problems start piling up | 10:24 |
| nisshh | jenkins: i added you to the contributors for pytask for that apport stuff | 10:24 |
| KE1HA | The they want it, right now, and only the Fix, no fluff. | 10:24 |
| nisshh | yea | 10:24 |
| jenkins | thanks nisshh, I will give you a hand with the debian rules file I am getting there with quickshot's one | 10:24 |
| nisshh | jenkins: also, have you figured out that rules file stuff yet? | 10:25 |
| nisshh | ah cool | 10:25 |
| KE1HA | Oh hey, Quickshots also works on Xubuntu. | 10:25 |
| KE1HA | Installed that yesterday to test it. | 10:25 |
| jenkins | KE1HA: cool thanks, did you get quickshot form the ppa? | 10:25 |
| nisshh | KE1HA: nice, wouldnt surprise me if it did though, since Xubuntu uses A LOT of GNOME stuff from Ubuntu | 10:26 |
| nisshh | brb | 10:26 |
| jenkins | yep it does, i have yet to test it though, we are supporting kde and ldxe as well when i get around to it. eventually it would be nice to have a qt gui | 10:26 |
| nisshh | yea | 10:27 |
| KE1HA | jenkins, yes, just added the pps stuff, and installed, worked perfect. | 10:28 |
| jenkins | thats good to hear :) | 10:28 |
| KE1HA | Opps PPA, not PPS | 10:28 |
| KE1HA | I've asked to be the Docs Lead fer Xubuntu, so if that pans out, gonna be buggin you gus allot about settign up bzr :-) | 10:29 |
| KE1HA | That's why Im ding this Matrix also, I want to Identify all Standard Apps that happen at install, and ensure there's Docs covering all of them. | 10:29 |
| KE1HA | for UB / XUB and EDUB | 10:30 |
| KE1HA | I just finished a New UB VM install, zsync-ing EDUB now, so will have all 3 in VM's for Docs. | 10:31 |
| KE1HA | With no extra packages that is, as my UB install has a few extras, so it's no good fer docs and writing. | 10:31 |
| jenkins | KE1HA: that sounds cool but in the next release there will be no need for bzr to use quickshot. but he is welcome to have a chat with us he can also e-mail quickshotdevs@list.launchpad.net as there are only two active devs at the moment | 10:33 |
| KE1HA | 2 Devs for Quickshot ? | 10:33 |
| jenkins | devlopers working on quickshot | 10:34 |
| KE1HA | rr ok .. understan. Why did you all descide to make Quickshot, does the standard screenshot app not do what's needed ? | 10:34 |
| nisshh | KE1HA: it was first developed to be used to take the screenshots for the manual :) | 10:35 |
| nisshh | KE1HA: since we have to take alot of very specific ones | 10:35 |
| jenkins | well if you took a screenshot of you desktop now it would look different to mine. it means we can get the same screenshots in different langauges and upload them to the server for review. | 10:35 |
| jenkins | also at the same resolution with minimal work by the user | 10:36 |
| KE1HA | For consistent shots all the time, makes sense. | 10:36 |
| jenkins | and generally the error rate has been low. | 10:36 |
| KE1HA | They look nice, works well | 10:36 |
| KE1HA | So is Quickshot going to replace screenshot ? | 10:37 |
| jenkins | thanks, well we are rewriting it at the moment as that release was rather a rush. | 10:37 |
| jenkins | do you mean replace the default screenshot program? | 10:37 |
| KE1HA | yes | 10:37 |
| jenkins | no it will not, quickshot is for projects to specify screenshots to be taken | 10:38 |
| jenkins | for their docs/webpages | 10:38 |
| KE1HA | Cool, hopefully it will be come the standard for all Web-Pages and Manuals | 10:39 |
| jenkins | and docs :) thats the long term goal and across every distor | 10:40 |
| KE1HA | I got a quesiton about Wiki ... you know whaen you seach for an App / version of an app / package, the 9.04 / 9.10 / 9.10 / 10.04 TAB appear at the top, how can we add those ot out personal wiki's ? | 10:40 |
| KE1HA | Or I guess you could say, those TABS at the top of personal Wiki (Planet, Partners, Support etc) can we change them to somethign else ? | 10:42 |
| jenkins | can you show an example page i don't look at the wiki very much | 10:42 |
| KE1HA | http://imagebin.org/109740 | 10:44 |
| KE1HA | See the TABS there toward the TOP right, Ubuntu, Community, Support, Partners etc etc those tabs | 10:45 |
| jenkins | I am not sure that is possible you could add a menu bar like the manual wiki does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual | 10:46 |
| KE1HA | Ok, just wondering, may be part of the main page that we can't edit. Would be nice though. | 10:47 |
| jenkins | yea I think it is part of the main page, their may be a way but i don't know of onw | 10:48 |
| jenkins | one | 10:48 |
| KE1HA | r | 10:49 |
| KE1HA | I like that Image Pastebin, that's things neat too. | 10:49 |
| jenkins | yep very usefull | 10:50 |
| KE1HA | So was that community notepad, that's great fer meetings. | 10:50 |
| jenkins | etherpad? | 10:51 |
| KE1HA | Im not sure what it was called hold on, i BM'ed it. | 10:51 |
| KE1HA | Yes, that's it. | 10:51 |
| jenkins | be back later today | 10:59 |
| jenkins | cya | 10:59 |
| KE1HA | TTUL | 11:01 |
| thorwil | vish, flan_: http://www.foopics.com/showfull/97ddf1478522eee7212bca5f6963789e | 11:23 |
| vish | thorwil: ooh! i like the first row second one..! :) what size is that? | 11:24 |
| thorwil | vish: 48 | 11:25 |
| vish | nice.. | 11:26 |
| vish | thorwil: lol , you fell into the trap of using a camera ;p | 11:27 |
| thorwil | ty. though, this stacking always seem to bring some unrest with it | 11:27 |
| vish | thorwil: snap! | 11:27 |
| vish | thorwil: exactly , we know about the app , so it makes sense , but for someone not familiar with it might take it to be a background chooser.. | 11:28 |
| thorwil | vish: no, i just show the obvious and cheap after failing seeing once again that trying to be more sophisticated leads to a mess ;) | 11:28 |
| * thorwil fails at sentence construction | 11:29 | |
| vish | :) | 11:29 |
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| daker | godbyk, ping | 18:48 |
| c7p | hi jenkins | 20:25 |
| jenkins | hey c7p | 20:25 |
| jenkins | I don't suppose anyone here is registered as an android developer with google? | 20:33 |
| jenkins | *registered with google | 20:39 |
| c7p | so the e2 will be released tomorrow ? | 20:43 |
| thorwil | jenkins: http://www.foopics.com/showfull/97ddf1478522eee7212bca5f6963789e | 20:44 |
| jenkins | thorwil: cool some more ideas I like the last one on the bottom for the website. would you be able to do a stack of screenshots like in the original idea so that the corner is nearest the viewer? and put a camera on on top if that makes sense? | 20:47 |
| jenkins | c7p: in theory i don't know how it is going | 20:47 |
| jenkins | ChrisWoollard: ^ ? | 20:47 |
| thorwil | jenkins: i'm not quite following | 20:48 |
| jenkins | no problem i will do a sktech | 20:49 |
| thorwil | jenkins: please think "icon" and rip the word "add" out of your language for this here ;) | 20:49 |
| ChrisWoollard | hello | 20:55 |
| semioticrobotic | hi ChrisWoollard | 20:56 |
| semioticrobotic | Are we all set for a release tomorrow | 20:56 |
| semioticrobotic | ? | 20:56 |
| ChrisWoollard | We are probably almost there | 20:56 |
| jenkins | thorwil: I am :) I am probably the worst person to try and do this for, thanks for persevering, http://imagebin.org/109811 see the corner circled. rotate that so it is facing the viewer so at 45 degrees to its current position and put a camera on top like the one you used in http://www.foopics.com/showfull/97ddf1478522eee7212bca5f6963789e | 20:56 |
| jenkins | ChrisWoollard: great! | 20:56 |
| ChrisWoollard | I am awaiting a screenshot from humphreybc | 20:56 |
| semioticrobotic | very good | 20:57 |
| ChrisWoollard | I also think i could proof read a couple more chapters too. but nothing major | 20:58 |
| jenkins | are there any un fixed bugs ? | 20:59 |
| semioticrobotic | yeah, how's the bug situation? | 21:00 |
| ChrisWoollard | let me have a look | 21:00 |
| jenkins | 4 left by the looks of it | 21:00 |
| ChrisWoollard | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/613266 | 21:00 |
| manualbot | Launchpad bug 613266 in ubuntu-manual "Mixed use of "applications" and "programs"" [Undecided,New] | 21:00 |
| ChrisWoollard | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/609085 | 21:00 |
| manualbot | Launchpad bug 609085 in ubuntu-manual "Inappropriate NetworkManager screenshot" [Medium,New] | 21:01 |
| jenkins | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/582361 | 21:01 |
| manualbot | Launchpad bug 582361 in ubuntu-manual "apt-get doesn't mention dist-upgrade" [Medium,Confirmed] | 21:01 |
| thorwil | jenkins: i don't get how you want that rotation. but i'll log out soon. maybe i'll try a stack like that another day | 21:01 |
| ChrisWoollard | there is also https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/561883 | 21:01 |
| manualbot | Launchpad bug 561883 in ubuntu-manual "missing tags" [Low,In progress] | 21:01 |
| jenkins | ok thanks thorwil | 21:01 |
| jenkins | I will try and draw one my self I should learn inkscape | 21:02 |
| jenkins | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/562439 | 21:02 |
| manualbot | Launchpad bug 562439 in ubuntu-manual "doubling informations" [Medium,Confirmed] | 21:02 |
| jenkins | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/584772 | 21:03 |
| manualbot | Launchpad bug 584772 in ubuntu-manual "File system structure needs descriptions" [Undecided,In progress] | 21:03 |
| jenkins | thats all i can see | 21:03 |
| ChrisWoollard | also it appears there are a bunch that are confirmed | 21:04 |
| ChrisWoollard | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=Confirmed | 21:04 |
| ChrisWoollard | bug 584772 is the one that ben is workin on. He promised he would do it tonight | 21:06 |
| manualbot | Launchpad bug 584772 in ubuntu-manual "File system structure needs descriptions" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/584772 | 21:06 |
| semioticrobotic | the bug regarding apt-get might be a non-issue once most of the command line stuff has been removed | 21:08 |
| ChrisWoollard | I will have a look at some of the bugs in an hour | 21:08 |
| ChrisWoollard | that is for maverick though, not e2 | 21:09 |
| godbyk | I'll be running things through spell-check and trying to add some more index entries later today, too. | 21:10 |
| godbyk | We should see if we can get those final bugs fixed, however. | 21:10 |
| godbyk | Have you pestered Ben and Jason recently about the bugs they've committed to? | 21:10 |
| semioticrobotic | ah, okay | 21:11 |
| jenkins | http://imagebin.org/109820 another quickshot icon idea any thoughts vish? | 21:12 |
| jenkins | or anyone | 21:13 |
| Muscovy | I don't find that one too clear, wheras the others clearly say "screenshots". | 21:13 |
| ChrisWoollard | i talked to ben earlier today | 21:13 |
| jenkins | which one said screenshots to you Muscovy? | 21:13 |
| Muscovy | Pretty much all the one with desktops of some sort. | 21:14 |
| Muscovy | I'll go back and pick the ones I liked best. | 21:14 |
| jenkins | thanks that would be good | 21:15 |
| Muscovy | I like the top right one in http://www.foopics.com/showfull/97ddf1478522eee7212bca5f6963789e | 21:15 |
| Muscovy | Or the bottom right. | 21:16 |
| ChrisWoollard | godbyk: I have talked to ben. He said he would do it tonight. | 21:16 |
| godbyk | ChrisWoollard: Okay, cool. | 21:17 |
| jenkins | thanks Muscovy I am going to test in #ubuntu-uk to see what people think those icons imply the program does | 21:17 |
| ChrisWoollard | I don't know about Jason though | 21:18 |
| ChrisWoollard | godbyk: Can you have a look at the outstanding bugs list to see if any are for you | 21:19 |
| ChrisWoollard | Can you also look at the confirmed list. I think that might have been overlooked. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=Confirmed | 21:20 |
| godbyk | I went through the list of bugs targeted to e2 that weren't already fixed/committed/etc. and fixed a few yesterday. | 21:20 |
| godbyk | I think the remaining ones may need a closer look. | 21:20 |
| godbyk | The ones I see left are bugs 562439, 582361, 609085, 561883, and 584772. | 21:21 |
| manualbot | Launchpad bug 562439 in ubuntu-manual "doubling informations" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/562439 | 21:21 |
| manualbot | Launchpad bug 582361 in ubuntu-manual "apt-get doesn't mention dist-upgrade" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/582361 | 21:21 |
| manualbot | Launchpad bug 609085 in ubuntu-manual "Inappropriate NetworkManager screenshot" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/609085 | 21:21 |
| manualbot | Launchpad bug 561883 in ubuntu-manual "missing tags" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561883 | 21:21 |
| godbyk | Thanks, manualbot! :) | 21:21 |
| ChrisWoollard | I will start to look at them in a while. I will change the status to in progress as I do them. So if anybody else wants to help. Feel free. | 21:24 |
| godbyk | 'kay, thanks, ChrisWoollard! | 21:30 |
| godbyk | I'm fixing 'lunch' right now, and then I have to mow the yard. But when I've finished with that, I'll be back to work on the manual. | 21:30 |
| ChrisWoollard | lovely | 21:30 |
| ChrisWoollard | thx | 21:30 |
| jenkins | I always think yards are concrete :D | 21:31 |
| godbyk | jenkins: I always think gardens contain flowers or vegetables. :D | 21:36 |
| jenkins | lol, i think of grass, flowers and vegetables in a garden | 21:37 |
| daker | godbyk-android, ping | 21:45 |
| sonicbadger | He might be mowing the lawn | 21:45 |
| jenkins | no hes mowing the yard :P | 21:47 |
| godbyk | daker: pong | 21:47 |
| godbyk | eating lunch still. | 21:47 |
| godbyk | daker: I got your email. | 21:48 |
| daker | godbyk, oki | 21:48 |
| sonicbadger | godbyk: RE: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/585909 | 21:48 |
| manualbot | Launchpad bug 585909 in ubuntu-manual "Indentation error "Copying part of a page", p.56" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:48 |
| sonicbadger | Is that just missing a \noindent tag? | 21:49 |
| godbyk | sonicbadger: If it's the continuation of a the same paragraph, then you can use \noindent at the beginning of the line to suppress indentation. | 21:49 |
| sonicbadger | I am ChrisWoollard by the way. I am on another computer | 21:49 |
| godbyk | If it's the start of a new paragraph, though, it should be indented. | 21:50 |
| sonicbadger | Ok. I haven't read it yet so I don't know | 21:50 |
| jenkins | come on people we need to think of a quickshot icon http://imagebin.org/109830 was suggested by popey and thorwil and vish have suggested some. any ideas for one are very much appreciated | 21:51 |
| Muscovy | Here's one of mine that only a few people saw: http://www.flickr.com/photos/muscovyx/4886602265/ | 21:52 |
| Muscovy | The concept is to show and Ubuntu-ish desktop with a photo lens around it. | 21:53 |
| Muscovy | The lens could do with work. | 21:54 |
| Omega | That's what I thought too | 21:55 |
| Omega | The lens | 21:55 |
| jenkins | Muscovy: that might work,,,,, | 21:55 |
| jenkins | I had not seen that | 21:55 |
| Omega | Maybe a combination of yours and the other one | 21:55 |
| Omega | http://www.foopics.com/showfull/97ddf1478522eee7212bca5f6963789e | 21:55 |
| Omega | look at the last one | 21:56 |
| jenkins | Muscovy: could I have the original of that please? | 21:56 |
| Omega | But with a lens around the 'bigger desktop' | 21:56 |
| Muscovy | Sure, what's a good site that'll allow svgs? | 21:56 |
| jenkins | luke@ubuntu-manual.org is fine | 21:56 |
| Muscovy | Ah right. | 21:56 |
| Omega | did you guys hear about #ubuntu-tour :) | 21:56 |
| jenkins | Omega: I like the idea of a lense around a desktop screen | 21:57 |
| jenkins | nope | 21:57 |
| jenkins | may be i got the wrong end of the stick is that not similar to the manual but in a different writing style? | 21:58 |
| Muscovy | The big feature was interactivity. | 21:59 |
| Muscovy | Like detecting when the software center is opened. | 21:59 |
| Muscovy | Drawing arrows to point to stuff, etc. | 21:59 |
| jenkins | thnaks for the e-mail Muscovy | 21:59 |
| Muscovy | You're welcome. | 21:59 |
| jenkins | would the arrow be on the screenshot or is this an app? | 21:59 |
| Muscovy | An ap. | 22:00 |
| jenkins | o right thats quite a cool idea, maybe it could be an accompaniment to the manual? I have no clue if that would work | 22:01 |
| Muscovy | We were thinking refer to the manual as a more technical guide, and use the tour as a sort of scratch-the-surface process. | 22:01 |
| jenkins | nice sounds good | 22:01 |
| Muscovy | If the manual had a web edition, for instance, we could even do a "learn more" link for each topic covered. | 22:02 |
| Muscovy | Or maybe the document viewer can open certain pages, I dunno. | 22:02 |
| jenkins | that would work, i have added it to my saved channels, I don't think I have the skills or time to help unfortunalty | 22:03 |
| Muscovy | Most of the work is in the Etherpad document. | 22:03 |
| Muscovy | Basically we've just done concept stuff. | 22:04 |
| jenkins | how on earth do you draw an arrow across someone's desktop? I mean there is all the the different display resolutions | 22:06 |
| Muscovy | I was thinking just for panel stuff. | 22:06 |
| Muscovy | We could get the resolution settings and work from that. | 22:06 |
| brandonj | It probably wouldn't be 'across the desktop', just render a red arrow right where they have to go | 22:06 |
| Muscovy | Wait, did I actually say "across"? | 22:07 |
| brandonj | also, there'd be a picture in the app itself, so they know what to look for that way | 22:07 |
| jenkins | o right I got the impression it would be very interactive with your desktop and fit in well a picture would make it easier | 22:09 |
| Muscovy | I think the interacting between the tour and the desktop would realistically be various apps saying "yep, this stage is done" for launching, setup, etc. | 22:11 |
| brandonj | in some cases I think there is an opportunity to get a bit more sophisticated than that | 22:12 |
| jenkins | the only issue I can see with a picture is that people might think it is the real program. it was an argument used on the docs list for not using screenshots. As a user i see no problem but it may happen with a very new user, i could see my dad trying to click the picture. he removed the wireless keyboard/mouse dongle and plugged in his pen drive. he then spend 30 mins moaning the pc did not work. >:o . When i look | 22:12 |
| jenkins | I prefer http://www.flickr.com/photos/muscovyx/4886367385/in/photostream/ i think. | 22:13 |
| Muscovy | I imagine a screenshot would have a caption for that reason, if we include them. | 22:13 |
| brandonj | Yes, the captions would be tailored to explain that | 22:13 |
| jenkins | brandonj: i think they way I am thinking is impossible but it would be good if it said "click the applications menu" and a flashing dot (or other shape0 was over the real menu | 22:14 |
| Muscovy | Ben said that logo seemed too OS/version specific. | 22:14 |
| brandonj | jenkins: yes we were talking about that. In some cases it might be possible, in other it might not be | 22:14 |
| jenkins | Muscovy: yea that is true but just change the panel colour and desktop background it would not make much difference | 22:15 |
| Omega | Yeah, and we could also look at how OMG's doing it | 22:15 |
| brandonj | Omega: they're using dbus to communicate w/ apps, which is what we should do I think | 22:16 |
| jenkins | brandonj: it would be great if it could work like that, i have no clue how howeveer | 22:16 |
| Muscovy | I don't think it'll be hard. | 22:16 |
| Omega | There is one problem however, school starts tomorrow. | 22:16 |
| Omega | And I have a thesis to write. | 22:16 |
| Muscovy | :| | 22:17 |
| Omega | I will still be around. | 22:17 |
| Omega | But it will hurt my productivity. | 22:17 |
| Muscovy | I'm lucky, I've got until September 7th or something. | 22:17 |
| brandonj | We shouldn't rush it | 22:17 |
| Omega | So, I won't be able to do much. | 22:17 |
| Omega | I can still help organizationally. | 22:17 |
| brandonj | I wouldn't target anything before 11.04 for a testing release | 22:17 |
| Omega | I believe I'm fairly good at that. | 22:17 |
| Omega | For sure. | 22:18 |
| Omega | This isn't making 10.10 | 22:18 |
| brandonj | we all have school/work and stuff | 22:18 |
| Omega | Although it would be cool, it's not viable. | 22:18 |
| godbyk | RE: the ubuntu-tour stuff, you might look at this blueprint, too: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/design-m-meeting-ubuntu | 22:18 |
| jenkins | well good luck with it, I am off to bed so night all | 22:18 |
| godbyk | There were a couple sessions at UDS-M that discussed first-use scenarios a bit. | 22:18 |
| semioticrobotic | night jenkins | 22:18 |
| Muscovy | Gnight! | 22:18 |
| godbyk | Anyway, I have to head out and mow the lawn/yard/garden/tall green stuff. | 22:19 |
| semioticrobotic | I'm out, too. I hope to check in around release time tomorrow. :) Take care, everyone. | 22:19 |
| sonicbadger | When is release time tomoorow? | 22:19 |
| godbyk | sonicbadger: Whenever I get to it. :-) | 22:19 |
| sonicbadger | lol | 22:19 |
| godbyk | Probably sometime in the evening my time (US/Central = GMT-0500). | 22:20 |
| godbyk | back now. | 23:22 |
| godbyk | mowing sucks. | 23:22 |
| sonicbadger | i find it soothing | 23:22 |
| sonicbadger | do you have any idea about https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/584504 | 23:23 |
| manualbot | Launchpad bug 584504 in ubuntu-manual "erroneous entry at start of Index ie first entry of "CD/DVD Creator, 27"" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 23:23 |
| godbyk | not me. but I think the combination of allergies and loathsome trees gets me most. :) | 23:23 |
| sonicbadger | Allergies are not good :( | 23:23 |
| brandonj | sonicbadger: amen to that | 23:23 |
| sonicbadger | I have it with a particular type of tree that you find everywhere in london. | 23:24 |
| godbyk | sonicbadger: I think that page 27 may have been the wrong page number at one point, but I'm not really sure. | 23:24 |
| godbyk | page 27 is correct at this point in time, at least. | 23:24 |
| godbyk | I'm not sure precisely what I'm allergic to, but mowing grass seems to incite that allergy. Normally, I'll take an allergy pill beforehand, but I forgot this time. | 23:25 |
| godbyk | I only managed to mow the front yard, too. The back yard is still too wet and the grass is too tall. (We've had major flooding the past week.) | 23:26 |
| Muscovy | I think we'll need a #mowing soon. | 23:26 |
| godbyk | sonicbadger: For \url, be sure to include the http:// protocol, as well. Otherwise they won't work. (No clicky!) | 23:28 |
| sonicbadger | I already noticed that | 23:29 |
| sonicbadger | or are you refering to something i may have forgotton about | 23:30 |
| godbyk | Your recent addition of the bugs.ubuntu-manual.org link. | 23:30 |
| dutchie | \o/ | 23:33 |
| dutchie | local lug appears to be re-animating itself | 23:33 |
| sonicbadger | I already fixed that locally. I just forgot to commit it | 23:37 |
| sonicbadger | There we go. | 23:39 |
| godbyk | No worries. Just thought I'd give you a heads-up. | 23:40 |
| godbyk | Oh! I just struck me as to what the bug referred to: CD/DVD Creator isn't in alpha order in the index. | 23:40 |
| godbyk | D'oh! | 23:40 |
| sonicbadger | I noticed that then I checked it in the pdf it pointed to a weird local path on my pc | 23:41 |
| sonicbadger | Why? | 23:41 |
| godbyk | I think it's being sorted as \acronym{CD}.... | 23:41 |
| godbyk | I'll fix it in a moment. | 23:41 |
| sonicbadger | That explains a lot | 23:42 |
| godbyk | I think I'm also going to remove the "applications" and "command-line applications" entries+subentries from the index. Opinions? | 23:43 |
| sonicbadger | try it. We can always add it back if it doesn't work | 23:44 |
| sonicbadger | or rather.... You :) | 23:44 |
| godbyk | sonicbadger: Okay, done. Recompile and take a look at the index. Let me know what you think. | 23:51 |
| sonicbadger | ok | 23:51 |
| sonicbadger | The index is a lot shorter now | 23:54 |
| godbyk | Yeah. | 23:55 |
| sonicbadger | I guess that removed a lot of duplication | 23:56 |
| godbyk | I can't imagine people would look up 'applications' in the index to try to find something useful -- at least not a list of applications. | 23:56 |
| sonicbadger | I think i like it better this way. | 23:57 |
| godbyk | Me, too. | 23:58 |
| sonicbadger | Ok. That's fine then. That's +2 for, no objections. Case closed. | 23:58 |
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