[00:00] <pleia2> not really, xubuntu itself comes with different default applications that tend to be lighter weight (abiword rather than openoffice, etc)
[00:00] <pleia2> but people mostly just install the apps they want anyway, so defaults don't mean a whole lot when you already know what you like :)
[00:00] <hotstew> yeah I know
[00:01] <hotstew> I can't count how often I've deinstalled Firefox XD
[00:01] <pleia2> hehe
[00:01] <hotstew> well then
[00:01] <hotstew> I guess I can just switch when we get to 10.10
[00:02] <hotstew> what's it called? Drunk Drunkard? XD
[00:03] <hotstew> I wonder why XFCE isn't as widely used as Gnome
[00:03] <hotstew> maybe it's the whole gnu thing
[00:04] <hotstew> anyway, it's supersnappy and it looks good as well :3
[00:10] <teunvD> gnome has lots of flashy'ness to it.. but that's the reason I use XFCE, but we shouldn't' wander off-topic this is the support channel :)
[00:13] <hotstew> well...I always thought KDE was the flashy one and Gnome only gets flashy with burden that's called Compiz
[04:18] <how-do> how does one edit the order of the items in the grub menu?
[04:40] <well_laid_lawn> !grub2 > how-do
[04:49] <how-do> thanks.
[04:51] <how-do> how do i look at my xp partitions from xubuntu?
[04:53] <how-do> tfn
[05:03] <xGrind> hi
[06:34] <nyad> hi, xubuntu keeps making this 'sound' at random intervals
[06:34] <nyad> its annoying and I cannot figure out how to turn it off
[06:34] <nyad> I have closed all my apps and it repeatedly continues
[06:34] <nyad> its not triggered by anything that I do
[06:39] <well_laid_lawn> nyad: you can watch the command   top   to see what app does something when the sound happens
[06:40] <nyad> thanks, I'll do that
[07:00] <nyad> I've been trying to change the hotkeys for exaile but I cannot find them anywhere, I've looked in exaile and system settings. gnome and kde allow this in an intuitive way, how is it done in xfce?
[07:06] <well_laid_lawn> there's a tab in window manager settings that lets you define keyboard shortcuts does that help?
[07:06] <well_laid_lawn> I don't use exaile
[07:48] <nyad> unfortunately not. it seems I can change to to the next song by running   exaile -n   .  So im gonna make a shortcut under keyboard in the settings menu of xfce to do it. but it won't let me enter the shortcut keys
[07:48] <nyad> it allows me to make the command but not the actual shortcut
[07:52] <well_laid_lawn> you hit the keys you want for the shortcut after entering the command?
[07:54] <nyad> oh my I kept auto thinking that was an error msg, i should go sleep instead of asking questions.... sorry for wasting your time. thanks for helping though
[07:54] <well_laid_lawn> np :]
[11:47] <slow-motion> hi
[11:47] <cr0p> sup
[11:49] <KE1HA> hey cr0p hows the download going?
[11:51] <dreamtraveler> Heya, i need some help with vlc 1.1.0. I have downloaded the .debs from tinyurl.com/26jtupb and also have downloaded the necessary versions for dependencies tinyurl.com/2ugqn4l and yet i get the "mp4v" error, have sound but no video.
[11:51] <bazhang> dreamtraveler, what does that have to with xubuntu support?
[11:51] <bazhang> !info vlc
[11:51] <dreamtraveler> um in isnt this a general support channel ?
[11:52] <bazhang> dreamtraveler, install from the repos
[11:52] <bazhang> dreamtraveler, those packages are not
[11:52] <dreamtraveler> repos are out of dated so i was hopping for 1.1.0 or so
[11:52] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install vlc
[11:53] <bazhang> dreamtraveler, ^^
[11:53] <dreamtraveler> xD
[11:54] <KE1HA> My repo's are 1.0.6 You could always build it from source if you want it real bad. Makes managing it more difficult.
[11:54] <bazhang> if you break package management then you have to always upgrade yourself
[11:55] <bazhang> never mind it being completely unsupported
[11:55] <KE1HA> Indded, it's far better to wait fer the Packaged release, with is do out in a couple days I think.
[11:56] <KE1HA> Which is*
[11:56] <bazhang> point release will have it?
[11:56] <knome> https://launchpad.net/~n-muench/+archive/vlc does have vlc 1.1.2
[11:56] <bazhang> ah PPA
[11:56] <knome> but that's also experimental
[11:56] <knome> still, it might do the trick
[11:56] <KE1HA> Yep, your relying on a specic person or team, if they stop supporting it, your hosed.
[11:57] <KE1HA> I'd wait and look at 10.04.1 th3en if not, go the PPA route, at least that's safer than building yourself.
[11:57] <knome> no, i mean the version from ppa might not be working. it's not really a major issue to start using the normal repository version again.
[11:58] <bazhang> true
[11:58] <bazhang> PPA are risky, but less so than some random deb
[11:58] <knome> bazhang, do you happen to know is it possible to hold some packages from ppa but update others?
[11:58] <dreamtraveler> oh well is there a known issue with smplayer in xubuntu not be able to open files via network ?
[11:58] <KE1HA> you can always test the install ans see what the deps are, but those music / vid players are touchy apps.
[11:59] <bazhang> knome, with pinning? might be
[11:59] <bazhang> !pinning
[12:00] <KE1HA> Yeah, I think you create a hold file, fer lack of a better word, or restrict individual files from update,
[12:00] <bazhang> or just dont install them at all
[12:00] <knome> bazhang, it appeared to be pretty much impossible, if you already had the versions updated to the ppa versions... synaptic refused to downgrade. you probably would have to mark packages before and then add the ppa
[12:00] <bazhang> knome, purge-ppa then?
[12:00] <knome> bazhang, you mean remove all the apps coming from the ppa, or is that some other script?
[12:01] <bazhang> still fairly unexplored territory to my thinking
[12:01] <bazhang> knome, like add-apt-repo one
[12:01] <knome> hmm
[12:02] <bazhang> sudo ppa-purge ppa:blueman/ppa/
[12:03] <knome> bazhang, if i've understood correctly, locking version only works before you've upgraded to the ppa version..
[12:03] <KE1HA> I've learned the hard way, that putting in these PPA can be a real pain in the neck for upgrading. I dont do it unless it's a major project.
[12:03] <knome> bazhang, ppa-purge: command not found
[12:04] <knome> bazhang, a-ha, it's a package itself..
[12:04] <bazhang> https://launchpad.net/ppa-purge
[12:04]  * dreamtraveler geia
[12:04] <KE1HA> Have a loot at Ubuntu-Tweak: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-tweak-0-5-5-released-with-purge-ppa-and-installation-instructions-inside.html
[12:04] <bazhang> does not work with mint :)
[12:05] <KE1HA> Ahh, :-)
[12:05] <KE1HA> It does purge PPA's though, so was close :-)
[12:06] <knome> bazhang, "The fix is in 0.2.7+bzr51.1" @https://bugs.launchpad.net/ppa-purge/+bug/610376
[12:06] <knome> 2 days ago
[12:06] <knome> though i'm not in mint, so no worries anyway :P
[12:07] <knome> tbh, i really think that just removing and purging every package that happens to be in the ppa is safer that ppa-purge anyway.
[12:12] <knome> what...? i forced a version for a package, applied, then forced for another and applied and the first pacakge went back to the non-forced ppa version
[12:13] <Goliath> hey
[12:13] <Goliath> whats the difference between xubuntu desktop and alternate
[12:17] <KE1HA> alternates use a diffrent installer.
[12:17] <KE1HA> but the end desktop is the same, xfce
[12:18] <Goliath> oh
[12:19] <Goliath> i have a 512mb sdram system
[12:19] <Goliath> someone adviced me that lubuntu would be better
[12:20] <KE1HA> It could be, Try xubuntu, if it's not as responsive as you'd like it to be, go ger lubuntu, but I've got a latop running full Ubuntu w/512MB of RAM is it's ok, but Xubuntu runs faster with it.
[12:21] <Goliath> i am still searching
[12:21] <Goliath> for lubuntu ram requirements
[12:21] <Goliath> i know xubuntu recommended is 256
[12:21] <KE1HA> Here's the Distro's: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/lucid/release/
[12:22] <KE1HA> just pick i386 or i686 which ever yuo need. I pretty much stick to the Alternate CD for more optins on Install, LVM's and such.
[12:26] <Goliath> http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7520
[12:26] <Goliath> take a look here
[12:26] <Goliath> it shows how lubuntu is much lighter
[12:26] <Goliath> an interesting thing it shows that ubuntu is ligther than xubuntu
[12:26] <Goliath> lol
[12:28] <knome> it probably comes down to thunderbird vs evolution there.
[12:30] <Goliath> anyway lubuntu is clearly faster
[12:30] <KE1HA> Goliath, The choice is yours, if you want lubuntu go fer it and it works better for you, go for it.
[12:30] <Goliath> my system is ok now with xubuntu
[12:30] <knome> yup, at least the default installation
[12:31] <Goliath> but i think of making it a bit faster, cause i now can run only 1 or 2 apps fast
[12:31] <KE1HA> Well, the real answer to Run Lots of Aps faster is more system resources, CPU / RAM etc.
[12:32] <KE1HA> There's only so much an OS can do to make things "appear" faster, so when your system resources are saturated, thats it.
[12:37] <KE1HA> I jsut checked my Xubuntu Machine, my machine, with a bas install is only using 168MB of RAM.
[12:41] <KE1HA> That's at Idle of course, start running apps and things change quickly.
[13:15] <cr0p> hello
[13:15] <cr0p> sorry
[13:15] <cr0p> i fell asleep on my keyboard
[13:22] <dreamtraveler> hi
[13:23] <Cr0p> sup
[14:24] <Sysi> my xubuntu occasionally losts sound card, or alsa or something
[14:24] <Sysi> 'alsamixer' says cannot open mixer: File or folder doesn't exist
[14:25] <Sysi> reboot helps, any more linux-like fix?
[16:15] <Magkakos> hey
[16:15] <Magkakos> whats the default opensource video driver that xubuntu uses after the installation?
[16:15] <Magkakos> vesa, nv or nouveau
[16:15] <Magkakos> (i have nvidia card)
[16:16] <Sysi> nouveau propably
[16:16] <Magkakos> is nouveau better than nv?
[16:16] <Sysi> what's nv?
[16:17] <Magkakos> another driver for nvidia
[16:17] <Sysi> afaik nouveau is the best after restricted one
[16:18] <Sysi> i'm expecting you talk about new buntus
[16:19] <Magkakos> i think nv is the opensource driver for nvidia cards by nvidia
[16:19] <Magkakos> where nouveau is community created
[16:19] <Magkakos> and has 3d support
[16:19] <Sysi> nouveau only has experimental 3d, iirc it's not in ubuntu by default
[16:21] <Magkakos> so the default open driver for ubuntu
[16:21] <Magkakos> is nouveau or nv after all?
[16:22] <Sysi> nouveau
[16:22] <Sysi> i checked with apt
[16:25] <Magkakos> cool
[16:29] <Goliath> hey
[16:29] <Goliath> do you know lubuntu?
[16:30] <bazhang> yep
[16:30] <bazhang> lubuntu-desktop if you have an *buntu system already installed
[16:31] <Goliath> xubuntu = ubuntu + xfce (with all its apps etc) right?
[16:31] <Sysi> !xubuntu
[16:31] <bazhang> xfce4
[16:32] <bazhang> lubuntu is lxde and openbox
[16:32] <Goliath> doesnt lxde include openbox?
[16:32] <Sysi> yeah
[16:32] <Goliath> i thought
[16:33] <Goliath> lubuntu = ubuntu + lxde (with all its apps etc)
[16:33] <Goliath> but over lubuntu channel someone said that it includes custom apps too
[16:33] <Goliath> that lxde doesnt have
[16:34] <Sysi> like chromium
[16:34] <Sysi> abiword and exaile aren't actually xfce apps either
[16:39] <KE1HA> Goliath, I jsut did a test build, for a real fast, light weight build if ur insterested.
[16:39] <Goliath> KE1HA, yes
[16:39] <Goliath> whats tell me about it
[16:41] <KE1HA> Goliath, I ahd to use the i386 fer the lappy, but get the i386 ALt CD, at the install prompt, F4 for minimal install, then add sudo apt-get install xorg lxde xdm
[16:41] <KE1HA> Not allot of Addiotnall apts, but it's very fast on my lappy.
[16:42] <Goliath> what i plan to do
[16:42] <Goliath> is use archlinux and install lxde
[16:42] <Goliath> + some apps that lubuntu uses
[16:42] <Goliath> which are lightweight
[16:42] <KE1HA> Arch is a good minimal distro too.
[16:43] <Goliath> the thing is lubuntu is ready
[16:43] <KE1HA> i went with the Ubuntu Minimal, and XDM, im well impressed with it.
[16:43] <Goliath> cause beside the lxde things they have some light apps custom chosen
[16:43] <KE1HA> Here's another Link for a complete custom install:
[16:43] <KE1HA> http://wiki.dennyhalim.com/ubuntu-minimal-desktop
[16:44] <KE1HA> based on Ubuntu Minimal.
[16:44] <Sysi> i didn't find greatness of arch
[16:45] <KE1HA> Arch is ok, bu I like the UB repos, lots of apps, and for the most part well testd & supported.
[16:45] <Sysi> horror to set up for not really faster
[16:45] <KE1HA> Check out the one I just did, then add little things you want, it's fast fer sure.
[16:46] <KE1HA> Doesnt' ahve a Fancy log-in manager, uses X11 but Im ok with that.
[16:46] <Sysi> i use server/alternate-cli-install, gdm anf xfce
[16:47] <KE1HA> Base install was 650M, sill do a few tweaks, but it's gonna be around 1GB total.
[16:47] <KE1HA> Yeah, the server install has great base tools.
[16:48] <KE1HA> I just fdont ahve a need fer the server-kernel, its a waste on a slow old laptop.
[16:49] <KE1HA> Anyways, its fun playing wiht the diffrent options.
[16:49] <Sysi> it has exactly same kernel?
[16:49] <bazhang> alternate is superb
[16:49] <Sysi> there may are PAE-available though
[16:50] <Sysi> alternate is just slower
[16:50] <Sysi> because it works differently (afaik)
[16:50] <KE1HA> Yeah, the SMP especially, but that the same on desktop as well.
[16:51] <KE1HA> I did a menuconfig a ways back, abt 1 to 1.5 yrs ago, and there was a fare about of things that was diff, maybe that's changed now, not sure.
[16:53] <KE1HA> Goliath, final build, 1.1 GB
[16:54] <KE1HA> Thats' with lxde and xfce4
[16:54] <Goliath> why do you need xfce4?
[16:55] <Sysi> because it's so awesome!
[16:55] <Goliath> wouldnt lxde be enough?
[16:55] <bazhang> some have all the major desktops installed
[16:55] <bazhang> the apps menu does get a bit crowded though
[16:55] <KE1HA> Goliath, Wanted to try out xdm so I installed two desktops
[16:56] <Sysi> i think i got entire kde with quassel
[16:56] <Sysi> just the client.
[16:56] <KE1HA> but agreed, I like xfce it is ver y slick to use.
[16:56] <Goliath> anyway i have an old system 512mb sdram and still wonder to use arch+lxde or lubuntu
[16:57] <bazhang> lubuntu or xubuntu clearly
[16:57] <KE1HA> KDE .. well, i dont want to make folks angry, but its more like WinBloat these days, I just can't hang with it.
[16:57] <Sysi> xfce works flawlessly with 512MB
[16:57] <Sysi> KE1HA: gnome's like osx then, worse :)
[16:57] <KE1HA> +1 on what bazhang said, lub or xub.
[16:58] <KE1HA> Yeah, I use Gnome on my Power house work stations, but wouldnt' want it on a laptop fer sure, unless it has some Umph.
[16:58] <bazhang> Goliath, the arch community will tell you to 'google it' or rt wiki
[16:59] <Goliath> bazhang, i am an arch user so i have no problems with it
[16:59] <bazhang> their bot is evil
[16:59] <Goliath> haha
[16:59] <bazhang> phrik iirc
[17:00] <Sysi> i broke gdm when setting up networkmanager with their wiki
[17:00] <Sysi> i *could* set it it but.. why
[17:00] <Goliath> well the wiki is generally very good
[17:00] <Goliath> i had some problems too with networkmanager
[17:01] <KE1HA> Sysi, I break GDM allot, and not even trying :-)
[17:01] <Sysi> and when you have stuff like gdm, arch isn't small and fast
[17:02] <KE1HA> I need to read on XDN now, can't figure out how to switch between lxde and xfce
[17:03] <KE1HA> !xdm > ke1ha
[17:03] <KE1HA> that didn't work :-)
[17:03] <Sysi> /msg info xdm
[17:04] <bazhang>  /msg ubottu info xdm
[17:04] <Sysi> almost there
[17:05] <KE1HA> 325MB's total mem used, need to whittle that down somhow.
[17:05] <Goliath> Sysi, with gnome arch isnt very different from ubuntu
[17:05] <Goliath> only small differences due to new kernel
[17:05] <Goliath> etc
[17:07] <KE1HA> Oh man, no web-browser :-) ,, need to fix that too.
[17:09] <KE1HA> Well, at least it wroks, and it's real snappy, good Laptop build.
[17:35] <Goliath> KE1HA, you said arch isnt good for old pcs?
[17:35] <Goliath> arch+lxde would be a very small and light system
[17:35] <Goliath> but bleeding edge too
[17:36] <Goliath> lubuntu uses some old apps to make it faster
[17:46] <KE1HA> No, i didn't say its not good, Im just not a big fan of Arch, I like Ub better.
[18:28] <igor-explorer_12> hi. what is the difference between ubuntu and xubuntu? Only Desktop Environment by default?
[18:28] <Sysi> and some programs
[18:28] <bazhang> and various applications
[18:28] <bazhang> thunar instead of nautilus
[18:29] <igor-explorer_12> yes so XFDE instead of GNOME
[18:29] <igor-explorer_12> ok
[18:29] <igor-explorer_12> what about repository?
[18:29] <bazhang> xfce4
[18:29] <bazhang> same repos
[18:29] <igor-explorer_12> it's shared between ubuntu and xubuntu?
[18:30] <Sysi> only default package set is different
[18:30] <igor-explorer_12> and xubuntu is managed by canonical?
[18:30] <Sysi> it's official derivative
[18:31] <igor-explorer_12> ok. so only DE are different by default other parts and security updates are the same? and software are updated at one time for both OSs right?
[18:31] <Sysi> yes
[18:32] <igor-explorer_12> thank you
[18:32] <Sysi> and you can turn ubuntu into xubuntu without reinstall
[18:32] <igor-explorer_12> oh also ... Network Applet is present in xubuntu?
[18:32] <igor-explorer_12> yea i know and xubuntu to ubuntu too?
[18:32] <Sysi> yes
[18:33] <Sysi> and they can be both at the same time
[18:33] <igor-explorer_12> NMApplet just is very sugar thing
[18:33] <bazhang> kubuntu lubuntu ubuntustudio edubuntu
[18:34] <igor-explorer_12> ok thanks. all i wanted to know that xubuntu is as official as ubuntu
[18:34] <Sysi> canonical is more interested about gnome, but basically yeah
[18:35] <Cr0p> yes it is! :)
[20:21] <cr0p> IT TOOK ME 5 FAILED MD5 CORRUPTED DOWNLOADS
[20:22] <cr0p> TOOK ME 24HOURS OF HARD-WORK
[20:22] <cr0p> BUT THE RESULT IS WORTH GETTING MY HAND DIRTY
[20:22] <cr0p> XUBUNTU LOADED AND WORKING
[20:24] <Sysi> !caps
[20:24] <Sysi> that should say we don't actually can read caps
[20:24] <Sysi> use torents, they don't corrupt (easily)
[20:26] <cr0p> opps but knome. I am sooo happy.. first time im booting in a debian based system and after all the hard I had to undergo.. i finally made it with help of you guys
[21:02] <knome> cr0p, congratulations
[21:54] <ToStItOs> Where can I get support for Usbmodeswitch
[22:29] <ToStItOs> is there a site or a channel where I can get support for usbmode switch???
[22:31] <Sysi> of not here, #ubuntu
[22:32] <Sysi> giving question makes things more easy
[22:32] <Sysi> if*
[22:33] <ToStItOs> I don't understand how usbmode switch is supposed to work. I remember a link you gave me which I have looked at several times and still don't understand what needs to be done
[22:36] <ToStItOs> I have usbmodeswitch installed but when I plug my device in nothing happens except its software within the cellular usb modem is recognized. The software is only compatible with Windows