[11:03] <TangoAu> can someone give me a good ubuntu 10.4 support channel please?.
[11:07] <TangoAu> anyone here please
[11:56] <ogra> GrueMaster, bug 607291 ... something to test for you
[11:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 607291 in taglib-sharp (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "[MIR] banshee (affects: 1) (heat: 137)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/607291
[12:02] <GrueMaster> ogra: I'll try.  We still don't have a working image, so I will have to use A3 as a baseline and update.  I'mstill working on setting up while in this QA meeting.
[12:03] <ogra> asac, ^^^
[12:03] <ogra> GrueMaster, yeah, asac just wants to know the status
[12:20] <asac> GrueMaster: you can just dist-upgrade existing installs.
[12:20] <asac> want to know if banshee works
[12:21] <GrueMaster> I'm aware of the process, but limited on resources atm.  I will get to it asap.
[12:21] <asac> ogra: gruemaster is gone. maybe dyfet or someone else can check?
[12:21] <asac> GrueMaster: sure
[12:21] <asac> we need to find someone else getting us the info then ;)
[12:21] <GrueMaster> How critical that thishappensin the next 30 minutes?
[12:21] <dyfet> what is this question?
[12:24] <dyfet> ah...I think I see from the bug...
[12:51] <notlistening> Hi can anyone recommend some good reading  for ubuntu on arm running under qemu?
[12:57] <lool> notlistening: Sure thing
[12:57] <amitk> heh
[12:58] <lool> notlistening: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Ports are good starting points IMO
[12:59] <GrueMaster> asac: You didn't answer my question.  I am working to getting to where I can run this, but I am running into boot issues after running dist-upgrade.
[12:59] <GrueMaster> On panda
[13:00] <asac> GrueMaster: today is good enough (not in 30minutes) ... please highlight me when asking questions ;)
[13:00] <lool> notlistening: Sorry, which Tom are you?  Marble?
[13:02] <GrueMaster> ogra: My panda (es1) is not booting past "* Setting sensors limits", and I have no console to try to figure out what broke.
[13:02] <GrueMaster> I may need to do a package by package dist-upgrade (very time consuming).
[13:04] <lool> GrueMaster: You could try changing the upstart job which sets up the serial console to start earlier
[13:06] <lool> GrueMaster: e.g. instead of start on runlevel [23], you'd start on local-filesystems
[13:06] <lool> Or you could break the boot with init=/bin/sh and try to start piece by piece
[13:13] <notlistening> thanks lool
[13:14] <notlistening> lool Tom that nobpdy knows
[13:18] <notlistening> what I am planning to do is evetually have the system from qemu running on an actual hardware board. Can any one see an problems with doing it like that? I have compiled a hardware specific kernel
[13:25] <lool> That should be fine
[13:52] <aluex> hi,i met a problem using  midori in my handled device
[13:55] <aluex> everytime i try clicking on a textbox or a tickbox or ... , it appears just like it was down.
[13:55] <aluex> and i have to stop it by lxtask
[16:14] <zyga> ogra: around?
[16:44] <ogra_cmpc> zyga, yep
[16:44] <zyga> ogra: asac told me you are planning on doing some automatic BB bootup work
[16:45] <zyga> ogra: (booting arbitrary images without human interaction)
[16:45] <ogra_cmpc> well, rather panda but it should also work on BB
[16:45] <ogra_cmpc> at least XM
[16:45] <ogra_cmpc> but thats for next release
[16:45] <zyga> ogra_cmpc, what are you planning to do?
[16:46] <ogra_cmpc> well, there are two different things i plan
[16:46] <ogra_cmpc> one is to have an installer that operates via OTG (like nokias just with a gui)
[16:47] <zyga> ogra_cmpc, so you'd boot the device via USB?
[16:47] <ogra_cmpc> the other is to build a safe PPA setup
[16:47] <zyga> ogra_cmpc, and continue with that?
[16:47] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[16:47] <ogra_cmpc> for the PPA stuff the boards need to boot via serial
[16:47] <zyga> ogra_cmpc, can BBc4 boot from USB today?
[16:48] <ogra_cmpc> no idea
[16:48] <zyga> ogra_cmpc, I found this guy that apparently did BB booting via USB
[16:48] <ogra_cmpc> i know there is a musb uboot branch
[16:48] <ogra_cmpc> so i would expect it to work if the HW support is in
[16:48] <zyga> but anyway I understand
[16:49] <zyga> (I don't understand the PPA part or how that relates to serial but that is not important today)
[16:49] <ogra_cmpc> i'll put a UDS session up for that
[16:50] <ogra_cmpc> well, if you do PPAs on real HW you need to make sure that even root has no way to change kernel and boot sequence
[16:50] <zyga> ogra_cmpc, "do PPA?"
[16:50] <ogra_cmpc> thats why we will use a hardcoded u-boot that boots the board from a central serial server
[16:50] <zyga> install kernel packages from a PPA, correct?
[16:50] <ogra_cmpc> no
[16:50] <ogra_cmpc> PPA build machines for everyone is my target
[16:51] <zyga> hmm?
[16:51] <zyga> like crowd sourced hardware?
[16:51] <ogra_cmpc> as soon as we can get pandas in mass production i want to work on getting public armel PPAs for LP
[16:51] <ogra_cmpc> so everyone can build armel packages
[16:52] <ogra_cmpc> on x86 thats only safe through the fact that we spawn a VM on the buildd, thats not possible on armel which is why we dont have public PPAs
[16:52] <GrueMaster> my ISP and my power company love you for it ogra_cmpc.
[16:53] <ogra_cmpc> GrueMaster, well, you already have access to the arm team PPA
[16:53] <zyga> ogra_cmpc, I understand
[16:53] <ogra_cmpc> if *you* specifically want to build stuff in the DC, just upload to it :)
[16:53] <ogra_cmpc> that plan above is more for the unwashed masses ;)
[17:49] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: were you able to test your es2?
[17:50] <GrueMaster> Not yet.  I will first thing tomorrow.  asac wants this banshee testing run, so I am finishing an update from alpha 3 to do it.
[17:52] <GrueMaster> Almost at EOD.  Beer time.
[17:53] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: oh, ok :-)
[17:53] <rsalveti> fair enough
[19:09] <prpplague> GrueMaster: ping
[19:10] <GrueMaster> sup?
[19:12] <GrueMaster> prpplague: pong?
[19:13] <prpplague> GrueMaster: hey, do you know if canonical is planning to have the PM turned on by default on the 10.10 omap4430 kernel?
[19:13] <GrueMaster> PM?  Power Management?
[19:13] <prpplague> yea
[19:14] <GrueMaster> I can check, but I believe so.  It is on all the other images afaik.
[19:42] <armin76> prpplague: i still want one :(
[21:19] <JameswStubbs> Hello, Is Ubuntu-MID available for arm using a metapackage?
[21:34] <rsavoye> somebody just pointed me at the Sharp PC-Z1 NetWalker that runs 9:04, does anyone know if it'll run maverick ?
[21:46] <rsavoye> The Marvell Armada 510 looks very interesting too
[21:46] <rsavoye> hopefully either is more stable than a BeagleBoard XM
[22:00] <kblin> rsavoye: how do you know how stable the xm will be?
[22:01] <rsavoye> no, but currently it might as well be a door-stop
[22:01] <kblin> they don't ship yet, do they?
[22:01] <rsavoye> I have an XM, but it's close to useless still, so I'm questing for something else
[22:02] <JameswStubbs> Is there a way to install Ubuntu MID on arm?
[22:02] <rsavoye> I think MID is x86 only, but I could be wrong there
[22:03] <JameswStubbs> rsavoye: The image is x86 only I believe I was wondering if packages were available.
[22:03] <rsavoye> no idea
[22:04] <JameswStubbs> Like when you run apt-get xubuntu-desktop that type of thing :/
[22:04] <rsavoye> I have yet to get Ubuntu MID to install on any of my x86 netbooks, but these days I'm ARM hacking instead
[22:05] <JameswStubbs> I'm trying to use MID for a phone
[22:05] <JameswStubbs> It looks nice for a small screen
[22:05] <rsavoye> I think my Nexus One is almost a MID :-)
[22:06] <JameswStubbs> My iPhone almost is
[22:06] <JameswStubbs> I've had matchbox on it :-/
[22:06] <rsavoye> but the iPhone sucks to develop real software for
[22:06] <JameswStubbs> :o Why?
[22:06] <JameswStubbs> It runs UBuntu
[22:06] <rsavoye> Apple sucks :-)
[22:06] <JameswStubbs> Does Ubuntu suck for developing software? :)
[22:07] <rsavoye> Apple bricked my original iphone several times, saying I was installing unauthorized software
[22:08] <JameswStubbs> That's never happened to me :S Plus it's now legal to use a jailbreak
[22:08] <JameswStubbs> And if by unauthorised it was pirated, you deserved it xD
[22:09] <rsavoye> all I did was port GCC and Gnash :-)
[22:09] <JameswStubbs> When did you port Gnash?
[22:10] <rsavoye> way back when it was a new phone, 1st generation
[22:10] <rsavoye> there is a new port to the iPad, somebody else did it
[22:10] <JameswStubbs> Why no release?
[22:10] <JameswStubbs> I've had it running on Ubunutu
[22:10] <rsavoye> I never released it cause I didn't want to have to do tech support for it
[22:11] <JameswStubbs> Release without support xD
[22:11] <rsavoye> I'm overly buried in Gnash support for weird hardware as it is
[23:39] <DanaG> Say, if I install the x86 libflashplayer.so and nspluginwrapper and qemu, can I wrap the x86 Flash on an ARM host like I do on an x86-64 host?
[23:41] <cwillu_at_work> can't see why not in principle
[23:41] <cwillu_at_work> can't imagine it would be performant of course
[23:42] <DanaG> That's fine.
[23:42] <DanaG> Though, the thing I'm thinking of running with that... would probably take less total time to completely reimplement.
[23:45] <DanaG> ah, and is it a good idea to use btrfs on an sd card?
[23:47] <DanaG> ah, I'm going ext3 for the moment.
[23:51] <cwillu_at_work> I'm using btrfs on sd
[23:51] <cwillu_at_work> sd cards fail in particularly nasty ways for ext
[23:52] <cwillu_at_work> specifically, very few sd cards do actual full device wear levelling, so your journal is staying on a small number of erase blocks
[23:52] <cwillu_at_work> when one of those blocks go bad, you lose the journal, and get to put your filesystem back together from pieces in /lost+found
[23:53] <cwillu_at_work> and then it happens again a week later when the next erase block that the journal levels over starts to give unrecoverable errors
[23:54] <DanaG> Say, if I wanted to make a system that wouldn't need write access, how would I do that?
[23:54] <DanaG> Most stuff breaks badly with read-only root.
[23:55] <cwillu_at_work> not really
[23:55] <cwillu_at_work> anything that needs write access outside of /var is broken
[23:55] <cwillu_at_work> well, and /tmp
[23:55] <DanaG> Something about union, I'd guess.
[23:57] <cwillu_at_work> the alternative is to look at how the livecd's do it (i.e., union), but that's a bit too magic for my tastes