| Licuadora | penguin42: hey, this time it worked | 00:01 |
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| penguin42 | hmm that's annoying! | 00:01 |
| Licuadora | penguin42: but, you wann se the log anyway? | 00:01 |
| penguin42 | nah, I don't think it will be interesting except after a failure | 00:02 |
| Licuadora | So, you dont know what caused this problem? | 00:02 |
| Licuadora | it stayed like this for some time | 00:02 |
| penguin42 | sorry no, but if it happens again take a copy of the /var/log/messages after it's failed and .xsession-errors and dmesg (you may need sudo to copy some of them) and what's in those files might help someone figure out why | 00:03 |
| penguin42 | it's difficult without seeing what state its in when it tried | 00:03 |
| Licuadora | ok, also there i s messages, and messages.1 | 00:03 |
| penguin42 | some of it might still be in there - I'm happy to take a look if you put them on a pastebin or the like | 00:04 |
| Licuadora | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/Bs8ecGMR | 00:06 |
| Licuadora | tHATS THE message file | 00:06 |
| Licuadora | penguin42: see anything strange there? | 00:08 |
| penguin42 | Licuadora: Nothing too odd in there - what's in your CD drive? | 00:08 |
| Licuadora | Oh, it's a Livecd 10.04, I was gonna reinstall | 00:08 |
| Licuadora | there is another message file | 00:08 |
| Licuadora | this one has an extension .1 | 00:09 |
| penguin42 | that'll be an older one; I don't think that will help | 00:09 |
| penguin42 | Licuadora: how about a .xsession-errors.old - when is that form ? | 00:09 |
| Licuadora | So, did you find anything intresting? | 00:09 |
| penguin42 | no, not in the messages file | 00:10 |
| Licuadora | .xsession? i do not know where that is | 00:10 |
| penguin42 | in your home directory, it's called .xsession-errors and there should be a .old one | 00:10 |
| Licuadora | let me check | 00:10 |
| Licuadora | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/XRznAMG1 | 00:12 |
| Licuadora | there it is | 00:12 |
| Licuadora | Some of it is in spanish | 00:13 |
| penguin42 | is that .xsession-errors or .xsession-errors.old ? | 00:13 |
| Licuadora | .old | 00:13 |
| Licuadora | You wanna see .xsessions-errors? | 00:14 |
| penguin42 | no, I think that'll be from after you rebooted | 00:14 |
| Licuadora | So, what did you find out | 00:15 |
| penguin42 | So that has some odd errors - the ones from gnome-power-manager complaining about 'Either HAL or DBUS are not working' are odd | 00:15 |
| penguin42 | although I guess we don't use HAL now - hmm | 00:15 |
| penguin42 | Licuadora: Did you do an update during the session which refused to shutdown? | 00:16 |
| Licuadora | I dont even know what that is... | 00:16 |
| Licuadora | Yeah, i installed a driver | 00:16 |
| penguin42 | which one? | 00:16 |
| Licuadora | Intel, a ethernet driver | 00:17 |
| Licuadora | e1000 | 00:17 |
| penguin42 | you had to explicitly do that? It normally just happens | 00:17 |
| penguin42 | part of the normal kernel | 00:18 |
| penguin42 | when you did that did it ask you to reboot then? | 00:18 |
| Licuadora | well, here is what happened | 00:18 |
| Licuadora | Ater a power surge failure, my eth0 did not reckongnized my cable, weird thing is, Ubuntu liveCD 8.04 DID rckongnize the cable, but not 10.04 | 00:19 |
| Licuadora | So, i was asking at the forums and stuff, and someone suggested to install some backport files | 00:20 |
| Licuadora | and then downloading the drivers from intel | 00:20 |
| Licuadora | And i reboted | 00:20 |
| Licuadora | rebooted | 00:20 |
| Licuadora | after that, is when it started failing | 00:21 |
| penguin42 | ok - it's good to have the story; did the reboot immediately after installing the driver work OK? | 00:22 |
| Licuadora | and still, no cable internet | 00:22 |
| Licuadora | yes | 00:22 |
| penguin42 | you say you downloaded drivers from Intel - excatly what? | 00:23 |
| Licuadora | let me check | 00:23 |
| penguin42 | and how did it ask you to install them? | 00:23 |
| Licuadora | Move the base driver tar file to the directory of your choice. For | 00:25 |
| Licuadora | example, use /home/username/e1000 or /usr/local/src/e1000. | 00:25 |
| Licuadora | /lib/modules/<KERNEL VERSION>/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/e1000.[k]o | 00:25 |
| Licuadora | there it is, installed | 00:26 |
| penguin42 | ok, if that was broken it could upset stuff - but it's a bit weird; anyway, what we really need is a dmesg and as much as possible in the state where it's just faield to shutdown - I'd probably pull that Intel driver out and put it back to the default one from Ubuntu | 00:26 |
| Licuadora | And where that might be? | 00:27 |
| penguin42 | good question - it depends what the Intel driver did to it | 00:27 |
| penguin42 | did you say that it was working ok on 10.04 prior to the power problem? | 00:28 |
| Licuadora | Yeah, it was working, until that day | 00:28 |
| penguin42 | ok, so it was probably a bad idea to install the driver from intel | 00:29 |
| Licuadora | then, i had to take out my PCI sound card to install a PCI WIFI card, and now, i do not have sound either | 00:29 |
| Licuadora | the built in sound did not work | 00:30 |
| Licuadora | it was intel then | 00:30 |
| Licuadora | Anywho... I dont think is a physical thing, since Ubuntu 8.04 DID detected my cable | 00:31 |
| penguin42 | I think you need to clear stuff out and get back to a normal setup with just the Ubuntu ethernet driver and then someone can try and figure out why that isn't working | 00:31 |
| Licuadora | re install? | 00:31 |
| Licuadora | I did reinstall after that day | 00:32 |
| penguin42 | I normally would suggest not to, but probably best | 00:32 |
| penguin42 | you could try seeing if you can get ethernet to work from the install cd | 00:32 |
| Licuadora | i even tried to install Sabayon, but it didnt detected my cable, not evenubuntu Studio | 00:32 |
| Licuadora | No, i tried the 10.04 live cd, and no | 00:33 |
| penguin42 | I'd try and debug the ethernet from there | 00:33 |
| Licuadora | If i upgrade to 10.10, will it fix it? | 00:34 |
| Licuadora | What about a fresh install? | 00:34 |
| penguin42 | 10.10 is still quite unstable | 00:34 |
| penguin42 | but if 10.04 used to work for you then I think you should try and figure why it stopped | 00:35 |
| Licuadora | Pff, i am no programer, i dont know any machine languaje | 00:35 |
| penguin42 | are you ircing from the same machine or have you a separate machine? | 00:36 |
| Licuadora | I just use Blender, but is kindda anoying not having sound | 00:36 |
| Licuadora | Same machine | 00:36 |
| Licuadora | i have a WIFI card | 00:36 |
| Licuadora | And the cable works in my Netbook | 00:36 |
| penguin42 | what is in /sys/class/net ? | 00:37 |
| Licuadora | let me check | 00:37 |
| Licuadora | etho lo wlan0 folders | 00:38 |
| penguin42 | ok, and what does ifconfig eth0 say? | 00:38 |
| Licuadora | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet direcciónHW 00:1c:c0:6b:03:c9 | 00:39 |
| Licuadora | ACTIVO DIFUSIÓN MULTICAST MTU:1500 Métrica:1 | 00:39 |
| Licuadora | Paquetes RX:0 errores:0 perdidos:0 overruns:0 frame:0 | 00:39 |
| Licuadora | Paquetes TX:0 errores:0 perdidos:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 | 00:39 |
| Licuadora | colisiones:0 long.colaTX:1000 | 00:39 |
| Licuadora | Bytes RX:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) | 00:39 |
| Licuadora | Memoria:e3100000-e3120000 | 00:39 |
| penguin42 | and is the cable currently plugged in? | 00:39 |
| Licuadora | yes | 00:39 |
| penguin42 | ok, could you get the result of sudo LANG=C ethtool eth0 into a pastebin? (You may need to install ethtool) | 00:40 |
| Licuadora | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/4sY5XiMN | 00:42 |
| penguin42 | wow - never seen that before | 00:42 |
| penguin42 | the 'Speed: Unknown!' and 'Duplex: Unknown! (255)' is VERY odd | 00:43 |
| Licuadora | What do yous' | 00:43 |
| Licuadora | What do you think that is happenning? | 00:43 |
| penguin42 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/478572/ is mine | 00:44 |
| Licuadora | twisted pair | 00:45 |
| penguin42 | that could be that new intel river you've put in, you could try it after a reinstall - when you say a power problem, what exactly happened | 00:45 |
| Licuadora | So... | 00:45 |
| Licuadora | A lighting bolt striked near my house | 00:46 |
| penguin42 | ah | 00:47 |
| penguin42 | that could have caused permanent damage to the card | 00:48 |
| Licuadora | but why the 8.04 detected? | 00:48 |
| penguin42 | good question; you could try reinstalling 10.04 and do the ethtool eth0 again and see if it gives sane output | 00:49 |
| penguin42 | but if it did damage something then it is possible its damaged in a way that 8.04 happens not to have problems with; bit odd though | 00:50 |
| Licuadora | Na, i think i'll just wait for 10.10 for a fresh install | 00:52 |
| Licuadora | Or... do you think is a possibility for a fix? | 00:53 |
| penguin42 | difficult to know - you have an unusual problem | 00:53 |
| Licuadora | Well, thanks anyway | 00:54 |
| Licuadora | Hey... | 00:55 |
| Licuadora | are you a developer? | 00:55 |
| penguin42 | I only fix things that bug me, not a full time dev | 00:56 |
| Licuadora | penguin42: maybe you could put some 8.04 ethernet code...oh | 00:56 |
| Licuadora | well, can you tell the guys from developing, to use some 8.04 code in 10.10? | 00:57 |
| penguin42 | well stuff normally gets better not worse! So if you really can find something that works in 8.04 but not in 10.04 it would need to understand why - but if the only fix is to fix a card damanged by lightening they might not be very sympathetic | 00:57 |
| Licuadora | hm.. you have logic in you typing.... | 00:58 |
| Licuadora | Then again, it could be useful and be maketed as : LIGHTING BOLT PROOF | 00:59 |
| penguin42 | hehe true | 00:59 |
| penguin42 | I'm not sure what the testing procedure would be | 00:59 |
| Licuadora | So, there is no way to give my machine an analisys an nd then send it someplacde for checkup? | 01:00 |
| penguin42 | no, I don't think so - but there are things which normally will help; e.g. the dmesg, or output of ethtool help find most problems | 01:01 |
| Licuadora | well, i already wrote down tds for futere reference | 01:01 |
| Licuadora | thank you very much | 01:01 |
| Licuadora | now, i am outta here | 01:02 |
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| kiwinote | hggdh: hi! | 09:02 |
| kiwinote | hggdh: as you may recall I applied for bug control membership a few months ago | 09:02 |
| kiwinote | hggdh: there was some discussion about importance settings in an upstream product (ie software-center) vs importance settings in Ubuntu as a whole | 09:03 |
| kiwinote | hggdh: would you be able to describe how to proceed? do I need to reapply, or are 3 +1's and one -1 sufficiant? | 09:05 |
| nigelb | kiwinote: what's your LP id? | 09:14 |
| kiwinote | nigelb: it's kiwinote | 09:14 |
| nigelb | kiwinote: oh, you got the expiring mail? | 09:15 |
| nigelb | wait, didn't you get approved by Brian that time? | 09:15 |
| nigelb | I thought you did. | 09:15 |
| kiwinote | nigelb: no, I applied, but there was some discussion about whether my application was good enough to join yet | 09:16 |
| nigelb | kiwinote: talk to pedro when he comes on. | 09:16 |
| kiwinote | nigelb: ok, thanks | 09:16 |
| vish | kiwinote: one problem while applying is that others dont know who you are.. | 09:16 |
| vish | kiwinote: so its always better have mentioned that you have done loads of SC work | 09:17 |
| vish | initially itself | 09:17 |
| kiwinote | vish: yeah, although when I applied was before I started coding on s-c | 09:17 |
| kiwinote | vish: at that stage I had only done bug triage | 09:17 |
| vish | kiwinote: yeah that too could have been mentioned initially , you should have had mvo replying immediately than later.. | 09:19 |
| nigelb | yeah, ack's should come immediately. | 09:19 |
| kiwinote | vish: tremolux (a s-c developer) replied positively straight away, but there was discussion about how I choose the importance levels | 09:19 |
| kiwinote | I knew to much about s-c to follow the importance guidelines all the time ;) | 09:20 |
| kiwinote | too | 09:20 |
| kiwinote | 24/25 march is the date of the application if anyone wants to look back | 09:21 |
| vish | kiwinote: oh had tremolux replied too? but mvo is more illustrious i guess ;p | 09:21 |
| kiwinote | hehe | 09:21 |
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| Laibsch | requesting confirmation for bug 618620 from people who run postgrey | 12:27 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 618620 in postgrey (Ubuntu) "warning in syslog about /var/run/postgrey.pid (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/618620 | 12:27 |
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| hggdh | kiwinote: there? | 14:02 |
| kiwinote | hggdh: hi | 14:02 |
| hggdh | morning/evening kiwinote ;-) | 14:02 |
| hggdh | kiwinote: I am looking at your application now | 14:03 |
| kiwinote | hggdh: ok, thanks | 14:03 |
| hggdh | (meaning *will* | 14:03 |
| hggdh | now | 14:03 |
| hggdh | dammit | 14:03 |
| hggdh | too early | 14:03 |
| kiwinote | hggdh: aha, don't worry, take your time | 14:03 |
| hggdh | kiwinote: yes, you more than qualify. Give me a few | 14:06 |
| kiwinote | hggdh: ok, thanks a lot | 14:07 |
| hggdh | kiwinote: welcome in! | 14:13 |
| hggdh | :-) | 14:13 |
| kiwinote | hggdh: great, thanks! | 14:14 |
| njin | pedro_: Hello | 14:31 |
| njin | pedro_: I'm going outside, repair a friend's pc and have a good cup of coffe, and if possible install uby. See you late | 14:34 |
| pedro_ | njin, hey! ok see you later ;-) | 14:35 |
| hallyn | general bug question - when i have a bug that's reported as affecting 3-5 projects, is it normal to change the priority/status for each project? Or just one, bc that's enough info? | 15:31 |
| hallyn | and also, is marking it invalid against a particular project considered ok (if it has nothing to do with that package)? | 15:32 |
| hggdh | hallyn: (1) yes -- each project/task may have its own importance; (2) samewise, each project/task may be marked INVALID as needed (or any other applicable status) | 15:41 |
| hallyn | hggdh: i guess what i'm asking out of laziness is the inverse - is it ok to only mark status/importance in a single one of the lines? | 15:45 |
| hallyn | hggdh: but thanks, that's very helpful. i'll now feel free ot mark invalid :) | 15:46 |
| hggdh | hallyn: heh. Ideally, each would be marked... sorry for the extra work ;-) | 15:49 |
| hallyn | hggdh: will do that then, thanks :) | 15:54 |
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| njin | pedro_: i'm back | 16:13 |
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| nigelbabu | pedro_: poke? | 17:22 |
| pedro_ | nigelbabu, hello | 17:22 |
| pedro_ | changed your nickname? ;-) | 17:22 |
| nigelbabu | pedro_: No, xubuntu won't let me in. Trying to fix that. On a live cd now. | 17:22 |
| nigelbabu | pedro_: can you blog about the patch day and how awesome it was? I was supposed to, but my system is not being very friendly today. | 17:23 |
| micahg | pedro_: I'm still on the list so all seems good :) | 17:23 |
| pedro_ | micahg, \o/! great so lp is not *that* broken ;-) | 17:23 |
| pedro_ | nigelbabu, will do it trough the qa blog | 17:23 |
| nigelbabu | pedro_: \o/ | 17:24 |
| nigelbabu | Thank you :) | 17:24 |
| pedro_ | nigelbabu, you're welcome , good luck fixing your system :-) | 17:24 |
| nigelbabu | pedro_: Might reinstall. Looks like. | 17:24 |
| pedro_ | eek... | 17:24 |
| nigelbabu | ugh, a lof of hacking I did for a project is on the hard disk :( | 17:25 |
| devildante | nigelbabu: too much hacking kills hacking, I guess :P | 17:29 |
| nigelbabu | devildante: looks like | 17:29 |
| devildante | anyway, the patch/bug day was really awesome! thanks guys :) | 17:29 |
| nigelbabu | devildante: No. Thank YOU for participating | 17:30 |
| devildante | Thank YOU for thanking ME for participating :p | 17:30 |
| nigelbabu | devildante: how did the process feel though | 17:33 |
| nigelbabu | ? | 17:33 |
| nigelbabu | was it complicated? | 17:33 |
| devildante | nigelbabu: not at all :) | 17:34 |
| nigelbabu | devildante: just about getting a hang of it? | 17:34 |
| devildante | nigelbabu: it's easy, all we need is volunteers ;) | 17:35 |
| simar | ashams: There?? | 19:18 |
| penguin42 | pedro_: hi | 19:21 |
| pedro_ | penguin42, hello | 19:21 |
| pedro_ | vish, around? | 19:21 |
| penguin42 | pedro_: You commented on my bug 617912 that the retrace failed and marked as incomplete, however there is a lot of other debug attached to the bug which may be of use - was this an automatic marking as incomplete or not? | 19:22 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 617912 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) "gnome-terminal crashed with SIGSEGV in g_object_set() (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/617912 | 19:22 |
| pedro_ | penguin42, no it was not, I've read the stacktrace before | 19:24 |
| pedro_ | penguin42, if you look at it you'll see that it's missing a lot of symbols that might be important for the developers to determine where's the crash | 19:24 |
| vish | pedro_: hi! | 19:25 |
| sinurge | mm alpha3 - rhythmbox[1847]: segfault at 30 ip 049ebf35 sp bfca2300 error 4 in libindicate.so.4.0.3[49e7000+d000] am not sure how to read this | 19:25 |
| pedro_ | penguin42, look at Stacktrace.txt and ThreadStacktrace.txt | 19:25 |
| pedro_ | sinurge, enable apport and report the bug :-) | 19:25 |
| pedro_ | penguin42, sudo service apport start force_start=1 ; reproduce the crash and report the bug | 19:25 |
| penguin42 | pedro_: ok, I'm not quite sure I can retrigger the seg - but it's still giving out loads of menu related debug which I suspect are related | 19:25 |
| sinurge | just did that :) | 19:26 |
| pedro_ | penguin42, they maybe are, just having a good stacktrace we could determine that :-) | 19:26 |
| sinurge | just wanted to know if anyone can help read anything that is apparant in that line | 19:27 |
| pedro_ | vish, awesome, you got email ;-) | 19:28 |
| penguin42 | pedro_: OK, I'll see if I can retrigger it - if not, I've still got it spewing tones of menu related debug, do you want that as a separate bug - I'm farily sure they're actually the same underlying problem | 19:29 |
| pedro_ | sinurge, that's no use, it only indicates that there was a crash related to that library | 19:29 |
| pedro_ | penguin42, yes, one issue per bug please | 19:29 |
| vish | oh! | 19:29 |
| penguin42 | pedro_: OK will do, although to be honest I really do think it's the same issue | 19:30 |
| vish | pedro_: you got mail , too! :p | 19:38 |
| pedro_ | vish, \o/! | 19:40 |
| vish | :) | 19:41 |
| penguin42 | pedro_: Right, have backtrace - I'll get it onto the bug in a few seconds | 19:43 |
| devildante | I didn't get mail :( | 19:44 |
| devildante | :p | 19:44 |
| penguin42 | pedro_: Can you let me know if that's enough | 19:49 |
| pedro_ | penguin42, looks ok, could you execute 'thread apply all bt full' in gdb and attach that resulting output to the report? | 19:51 |
| pedro_ | penguin42, please attach it because it's going to be a bit long | 19:51 |
| pedro_ | penguin42, thanks for the stacktrace ;-) | 19:51 |
| penguin42 | pedro_: OK, will do - do you know if there is anyway of getting the gnome warnings to give more debug - I'm fairly sure they're the underlying reason | 19:52 |
| Laibsch1 | requesting confirmation for bug 618620 from people who run postgrey | 19:52 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 618620 in postgrey (Ubuntu) "warning in syslog about /var/run/postgrey.pid (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/618620 | 19:52 |
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| penguin42 | pedro_: I suspect the code in the 043 patch in gtk+2.0 isn't doing enough checking but I don't understand enough how it's supposed to work | 19:52 |
| njin | pedro_: hello | 19:57 |
| penguin42 | bah, doesn't want to trigger again at the moment | 20:31 |
| penguin42 | pedro_: OK, one thread apply all bt full | 20:47 |
| pedro_ | penguin42, thank you | 20:50 |
| penguin42 | pedro_: It's a bit hit and miss whether it segs - I guess it just depends what crud it dereferences | 20:50 |
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