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wgrantyofel_: Soyuz doesn't do -dbgsyms itself yet -- it's handled by a non-Launchpad hack which I don't know the details of.03:31
wgrantyofel_: However, Soyuz will start handling them soon, and it works for backports.03:31
AnAntHello04:24
superm1wgrant, does that mean they'll be published in the regular archive too, and hence increasing the size of the packages.gz that gets downloaded?05:04
wgrantsuperm1: Only for PPAs.05:05
wgrantWe have a separate archive for ddebs.05:06
superm1ah nice05:06
wgrantWell, will have, once I finish writing it.05:06
superm1that sounds good by me05:06
ebroderOoh - ddebs are going into PPAs? That's awesome05:06
wgrantYes.05:06
wgrantThe PPA work is done, but we can't really safely turn it on until it works for the primary archive too.05:06
ebroderRock on05:06
wgrantI did most of it a couple of weeks ago, and I will hopefully have the last couple of fixes done this cycle.05:09
dholbachgood morning08:21
LaneyLooking at that mail on -motu, does LyX still need the delta?08:22
LaneyMerge changelog says "+    - debian/control: do not build latex-xft-fonts, it has its own08:22
Laney+      source package in main."08:22
Laneybut that package got demoted to universe in Lucid08:23
Laneywell I have to go away for the rest of the week now, but it would be nice if someone could look at this. I think that latex-xft-fonts can now be removed and then lyx synced. You could explain this to the guy on the mailing list and then ask him to file the sync FFe bug.08:29
Laneybye all!08:29
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bilalakhtarI have a question. Package sbackup is maintained in Debian. But, a new version of the package is desperately needed. Is it OK to get the new upstream version directly into Ubuntu? (FFe needed) or should I get it into Debian (FFe should be needed for the merge)?08:32
bilalakhtarDesperately needed because of bug #55026108:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 550261 in One Hundred Paper Cuts "Backups cannot be started through the GUI" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55026108:32
RAOFbilalakhtar: By and large you should feel free to fix bugs in Ubuntu.08:33
bilalakhtarRAOF: The new upstream version fixes the bug, in reality08:33
bilalakhtarRAOF: An SRU is waiting in lucid-proposed as well.08:34
RAOFSo, update the package & send that packaging up to Debian.08:34
bilalakhtarRAOF: update the package first in ubuntu?08:34
bilalakhtarok08:34
RAOFUnless there's a particularly active Debian/Ubuntu collaboration team caring for sbackup (as the pkg-mono team cares for the -cil packages) there's no problem in uploading first for Ubuntu.08:35
AnAntdholbach: hello08:39
AnAntLaney: bye08:40
dholbachhey AnAnt08:40
AnAntI don't understand that thing about latex-xft-fonts08:40
AnAntwhy did Ubuntu have its own latex-xft-fonts package ?08:41
AnAntah, I got it08:45
AnAntok, how do I file a removal request for latex-xft-fonts08:48
AnAntLaney: thanks for spotting it -> LP: #61854708:56
* Laney hugs AnAnt 08:57
Laney→ confirmed and subscribe the archive08:57
AnAntLaney: are you sure you confirmed & subscribed archive to LP 618547 ?09:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 618547 in latex-xft-fonts (Ubuntu) "Please remove latex-xft-fonts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61854709:03
Laneyno, I was saying that's what you need to do09:03
AnAntah, ok09:04
AnAntwhat's archive ?09:04
Laneyubuntu-archive09:04
AnAntok09:04
AnAntdone09:04
AnAntalso sent an email about it09:05
Laney\o/09:05
Adri2000-:10:24
Adri2000oops, sorry10:24
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AnAntvish: Hello12:04
AnAntvish: how can LP #613304 be fixed ?12:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 613304 in zekr (Ubuntu) "Zekr SC logo is very low resolution" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61330412:04
AnAntvish: what icon does software center use ?12:05
vishAnAnt: hey.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#Icon , looks to like the app does not have the icon in all sizes [i havent gone through the package though]12:07
AnAntis it the icon used by .desktop file?12:07
AnAntvish: what's the expected resolution ?12:10
vishAnAnt: it seems to be using 48px icons12:12
AnAntok, there are 48, 128 & 256 px12:12
vishAnAnt: hmm , yeah , was just checking the branch , might be app-install-data problem?12:13
AnAntvish: yes, the .desktop file uses the 32px xpm icon, which is very ugly12:14
vishAnAnt: ah , there you go :)12:14
AnAntok, I will assign myself to it12:14
AnAntvish: thanks for the heads up12:15
vishAnAnt: np , thanks for picking it up :)12:15
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AnAntvish: how can I test the SC fix ?12:52
vishAnAnt: not really sure , you could ask some of the SC hackers , they are hanging out in -desktop right now..12:55
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kaushalhi16:04
kaushalcan someone please guide me about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2010-August/004541.html ?16:04
tumbleweedkaushal: looks like a bad postinst script16:05
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tumbleweedkaushal: it should allow invoke-rc.d to fail16:06
kaushaltumbleweed, ok16:06
tumbleweedkaushal: you intend to fix it?16:07
kaushalso any suggestion ?16:07
kaushaltumbleweed, not sure i understand about  you intend to fix it?16:10
tumbleweedkaushal: I was asking why you were asking16:11
kaushaltumbleweed, if you can give me some clue please ?16:17
Rhondakaushal: It is not clear what your question is. Do you want to fix the package, do you want to workaround so you can fix installation of the package for yourself, do you want to file a bugreport about it?16:21
AnAntbdrung: what's top-posting ?16:36
bdrungAnAnt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style16:37
AnAntah, thanks16:38
kaushalRhonda, sorry was away16:39
kaushalwhen i install collectd using apt-get install collectd i get that error16:39
kaushalStarting statistics collection and monitoring daemon:16:39
kaushalcollectdinvoke-rc.d: initscript collectd, action "start" failed.16:39
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baconhi, is it the good chanel to aska bout debian packaging?17:31
tumbleweedbacon: #ubuntu-packaging17:31
bacontumbleweed: nobody's answering on this channel :/17:43
baconit is like dead17:43
bacontumbleweed: i tried before coming here17:44
tumbleweedbacon: aah, I've only heard other people recommend it. /me pops in there to help bacon17:45
stalcupbacon: yes, ask your question and someone will answer17:59
micahgstalcup: the user is being helped in -packaging now18:00
baconstalcup: thanks anyway ;)18:00
stalcupeh? there is a packaging now?18:00
micahgstalcup: yeah, to consolidate PPA and non archive packaging help from #launchpad and this channel18:01
AnAntis Stefan Potyra here ?18:02
jpdsAnAnt: No.18:03
ari-tczewwhere can I check current UTC time?18:27
jdonghttp://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=utc+time18:28
lfaraoneari-tczew: http://everytimezone.com/18:28
jdongerr not sourceid=chrome </shame>18:28
micahgari-tczew: date -u18:28
lfaraonedamn, that doesn't list UTC *headdes*18:28
lfaraoneari-tczew: what micahg said.18:28
jdongTZ=UTC date18:28
jdongthat works too18:28
jdongthe inverse is date -d "17:00 UTC" which converts it to local time18:28
ari-tczewjdong, lfaraone, micahg: thanks, I'm in UTC +020018:28
ari-tczew+2 hours18:29
lfaraonemicahg: did you see http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-olpc-devel/2010-August/002900.html by any chance? looks like somebody on the debian side has pyxpcom packaged separately18:29
micahgjdong: I wanted to ask you about the SRU process, I modified the procedure to say subscribe ubuntu-sru after upload, but that doesn't match your original email18:29
micahglfaraone: yeah, he has an ITP for pyxpcom18:30
jdongmicahg: well, feel free to subscribe SRU as soon as you have a patch ready, but don't wait on approval before uploading18:30
lfaraonemicahg: I tested out his package, it worked at the very least with Browse.activity18:30
micahgjdong: but that was the understanding I got from the emails as a whole though18:30
jdongmicahg: I usually go look at the upload queue to see what SRUs are waiting for approval18:30
micahgjdong: k, so maybe I should just revert my change to the procedure then18:30
lfaraonemicahg: would that package possibly be usable as-is in Ubuuntu?18:31
micahglfaraone: yes, I think so18:31
micahgjdong: should I revert this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates?action=diff&rev2=151&rev1=15018:32
lfaraonemicahg: mk. I should ask if he needs a sponsor18:32
ari-tczewI need a sponsor for SRU right now :P18:32
micahglfaraone: I don't think that's the issue, the package can't go in until squeeze is released18:32
lfaraonemicahg: lies!18:32
jdongmicahg: yeah, please revert that18:32
micahgjdong: k, sorry18:32
jdongmicahg: if you want to clarify the procedure a bit, you can add that you don't need to wait for approval before uploading to -proposed18:33
lfaraonemicahg: that's why god gave us the wonder known as experimental. (aka the "rc buggy" release)18:33
jdongmicahg: no worries!18:33
micahglfaraone: well, idk, can one upload a package to experimental if it's not in unstable18:33
lfaraonemicahg: yep. sugar-0.90 is there right now.18:33
* micahg wishes there was a revert button18:33
jdonghaha we need more vandals to motivate that feature!18:35
* micahg goes to hide in his vandal cave18:36
micahgjdong: better? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates?action=diff&rev2=152&rev1=15018:36
jdongmicahg: yep. Note that on step 5, that email is already linked. Maybe move that statement down to step 5 so we dont' link to the same thing under 2 different names?18:37
micahglfaraone: idk what he's waiting on then, maybe more feedback18:37
lfaraonemicahg: fair enough, I replied saying "works great, let me know if you want a hand getting it in"18:38
micahgjdong: I don't see that18:38
jdongmicahg: nvm I was looking at the wrong revision before18:39
jdongdisregard that statement, what you've got looks good!18:39
jdong*gets more coffee*18:39
micahglfaraone: I'd still like someone to make sure that it will be supported long term before we reinclude it18:39
micahgjdong: awesome :)18:39
jdongthank you18:39
lfaraonemicahg: what sort of maintinence needs to be done? I'd imagine only bugfixes. (unless the stable API that pyxpcom uses will change....)18:40
micahgjdong: np18:40
micahglfaraone: well, the xul APIs will change and unless pyxpcom will track those, we can't throw it in the archive since security support will end for xul192 long before the series is EOL18:41
lfaraonemicahg: okay, so we  just update it to the next-upstream-version when needed, right?18:41
micahglfaraone: well, last pyxpcom update was Feb 2010 which isn't a good sign18:41
micahglfaraone: yeah, we'll probably throw the release after 4.0 into maverick18:42
lfaraonemicahg: that just feels wrong to me.18:42
lfaraone(otoh, I'm not stepping up to support 3.6 either :)18:43
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micahglfaraone: we already upgraded hardy/jaunty/karmic to 3.618:44
kamalbdrung: sorry for botching my FFe subscriber sequence there, and thanks for fixing it :-)18:53
bdrungyw18:53
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ScottKcrimsun_: Back in January you fixed Slicer so it would build.  Now it FTBFS with the current VTK in Maverick.  I was wondering if you might have a look at it.20:26
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micahgooh someone removed sparc from FTBFS page20:28
ScottKgeser: ^^^20:28
micahgTB meeting about it isn't for another week20:29
ScottKThe data isn't removed, just not displayed.20:29
micahgah20:29
ScottKWorrying about sparc is pointless even if they don't kill it.  The port doesn't actually work.20:30
* micahg was just commenting20:32
gesermicahg: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+builds?build_text=&build_state=failed&arch_tag=sparc if you're still interested in them20:35
micahggeser: no, I have no test platform and am just waiting to see what the TB does, but thanks20:36
* micahg was just surprised to see it gone already20:36
geserif ia64 gets dropped too the FTBFS page will get even shorter20:37
micahgyeah, I hope powerpc sticks around though since there are a lot of old machines that can use it20:37
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mdeslaurtumbleweed: are you aware of bug #618787?21:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 618787 in ia32-libs (Ubuntu) "version 20090808ubuntu1 breaks flashplugin" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61878721:56
tumbleweedmdeslaur: yay :) no I wasn't21:57
mdeslaurtumbleweed: mind if I assign the bug to you?21:58
tumbleweedgo for it21:58
mdeslaurtumbleweed: cool, thanks21:58
* tumbleweed grumbles about the size of that package (it'll take me an hour to do the upload)21:58
mdeslauryeah, it's an awful awful package21:59
ajmitchit's an ugly package that will hopefully be removed one day21:59
ajmitchmdeslaur: I guess it causes all sorts of headacahes for the security team?21:59
mdeslaurajmitch: when it comes to that package, we usually just put our fingers in our ears and sing loudly22:00
ajmitchoh dea r:)22:00
micahgbigon: thanks for merging gnome-sheel22:01
micahg*gnome-shell22:01
mdeslaurajmitch: in all seriousness, it is a concern of ours22:02
bigonmicahg: np22:04
AnAntbdrung: shouldn't latex-xft-fonts be removed first before uploading lyx ? LP #61854722:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 618547 in latex-xft-fonts (Ubuntu) "Please remove latex-xft-fonts" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61854722:17
micahgAnAnt: already uploaded :)22:18
micahgor ratehr sync'd22:18
bdrungAnAnt: no. the binary latex-xft-fonts package from lyx replaces latex-xft-fonts provided from latex-xft-fonts22:18
bdrungAnAnt: then the source package latex-xft-fonts will be found on NBS22:19
AnAntaha, ok, so should 618547 be considered fixed ?22:19
bdrungbug #61854722:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 618547 in latex-xft-fonts (Ubuntu) "Please remove latex-xft-fonts" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61854722:19
bdrungAnAnt: nope. the source package needs to be removed manually22:19
AnAntok22:20
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