[08:21] <dholbach> good morning
[14:01] <Pendulum> do we have an agenda for today's meeting?
[14:05] <czajkowski> hmm
[14:05] <czajkowski> no but we should really
[14:42] <czajkowski> Pendulum: want to create an agenda I need to nip out for 20
[14:43] <Pendulum> czajkowski: any ideas for what should be on it?
[14:44] <czajkowski> update on bp
[14:44] <czajkowski> plans for the future
[14:44] <czajkowski> is there a future in the team
[15:11] <Pendulum> the agenda is now on the wiki
[15:13] <czajkowski> thanks
[15:13] <czajkowski> I'll send a reminder mail
[15:13] <Pendulum> :)
[15:15] <czajkowski> done
[15:29] <astraljava> Thanks Laura for the reminder. :) Made me realize I wasn't even hanging on the correct #. :)
[15:31] <czajkowski> astraljava: it was Pendulum that remembered
[15:31] <czajkowski> I've been a bit busy with stuff lately
[15:32] <astraljava> I can relate. :)
[15:32] <Pendulum> I was checking to make sure a meeting had posted to fridge correctly and happened to notice
[15:32] <Pendulum> complete coincidence
[17:59] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:59] <czajkowski> so anyone here for the meeting
[17:59] <czajkowski> give it another few mins
[18:00] <czajkowski> bac: cjohnston foobacca highvoltage hexmode issyl0 JanC mgdm Pendulum pleia2 txwikinger
[18:00] <cjohnston> huh?
[18:00] <czajkowski> Meeting starting in about two mins
[18:00] <txwikinger> o/
[18:00] <czajkowski> just highlighting folks
[18:00] <czajkowski> thought it was easier that way
[18:00] <pleia2> too busy at work today, sorry :(
[18:00] <czajkowski> np
[18:00] <AlanBell> o/
[18:01] <cjohnston> umm.. sure.. im here for the meeting?
[18:01] <cjohnston> heh
[18:01] <czajkowski> hmm no mootbot
[18:02] <czajkowski> oh well
[18:02] <czajkowski> MEETING NOW
[18:02] <czajkowski> AGENDA - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NGO/Meeting
[18:02] <czajkowski> evening folks who's here for meeting
[18:02] <czajkowski> o/
[18:02] <txwikinger> o/
[18:03] <czajkowski> ok..
[18:03] <AlanBell> o/
[18:03] <czajkowski> well apologies first for not following up on meetings, just been crazy and for some unkonwn reason I seem to have forgotten about ngo stuff with a lot of other work
[18:03] <Pendulum> hiya
[18:03] <czajkowski> thanks to Pendulum for rmembering today
[18:03]  * skellat Raises hand to acknowledge presence
[18:03] <Pendulum> o/
[18:04] <AlanBell> czajkowski: do #startmeeting
[18:04] <czajkowski> so we have this blueprint from UDS = https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-ngo-team
[18:04] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
[18:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Aug 16 17:01:56 2010 UTC.  The chair is czajkowski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.
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[18:04] <meetingology> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
[18:04] <meetingology> updated
[18:04] <czajkowski> whoo
[18:05] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NGO/Meeting
[18:05] <czajkowski> [topic] Blueprint
[18:05] <meetingology> TOPIC: Blueprint
[18:05] <czajkowski> [link] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-ngo-team
[18:05] <czajkowski> so I know I have a few items on there
[18:05] <czajkowski> but wondering how folks are getting on with theirs
[18:06] <czajkowski> hexmode: how are you getting on ?
[18:06] <hexmode> :P not so well
[18:06] <czajkowski> highvoltage: any progress
[18:06] <hexmode> no progress
[18:06] <czajkowski> ok maybe we need to try and share out some work to get it done?
[18:06] <czajkowski> hexmode: would it help to get some help ?
[18:07] <hexmode> (back)
[18:08] <hexmode> the only person here I know that could help would be dholbach and he has already done a lot
[18:08] <hexmode> mostly it is just me prioritizing
[18:08] <czajkowski> ok
[18:08] <hexmode> the work isn't that hard, I just have to make sure I leave myself time to do it :)
[18:09] <czajkowski> I know time management
[18:09] <hexmode> czajkowski: did you happen to get in touch with the sysadmin at wikimedia?
[18:09] <czajkowski> tis hard when we all have stuff going on
[18:09] <czajkowski> hexmode: it's a fdrafted mail to go out
[18:09] <czajkowski> So I've done up a doc for sample Questions https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1pgUq8PdJJvojyPRNGb6gDGf6QEgem-LNHRejOirTWt0&authkey=CL34h8oH&hl=en&pli=1#
[18:10] <czajkowski> be nice to get some input as to what folks would like to know from an interview
[18:10] <czajkowski> so please edit it as you feel
[18:10] <czajkowski> [link] https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1pgUq8PdJJvojyPRNGb6gDGf6QEgem-LNHRejOirTWt0&authkey=CL34h8oH&hl=en&pli=1#
[18:10] <hexmode> excellent... someone in the office was talking recently about the number of Macs and perhaps getting Ubuntu installed on them
[18:10] <hexmode> ( I don't know how serious they were... )
[18:10] <skellat> I've already added a question to the Google doc
[18:11] <czajkowski> skellat: which is ?
[18:11] <skellat> How exactly does the organization use ICT tools in regards to carrying out their functions.  Sometimes that is non-obvious depending upon the mission of the organization.
[18:12] <czajkowski> skellat: right so some of the questions will be more specific based on the group
[18:12] <czajkowski> but what would be nice is to get about 8 -10 standard questions and then one that follow on from them based on say their type of group
[18:12] <czajkowski> skellat: have you read some of the case studies we've done so far
[18:13] <skellat> czajkowski: I've been camping out at work too much and forgot to catch up prior to your e-mail this morning.
[18:13] <czajkowski> [link] http://ubuntungo.wordpress.com/
[18:13] <czajkowski> ok so I hope for this month that we can make some headway in the action items
[18:14] <czajkowski> anyone else have any comments on blueprints and action items?
[18:14] <hexmode> when is the next irc meeting?
[18:14] <hexmode> so I can set some goals?
[18:14] <czajkowski> hexmode: 3rd monday of the month
[18:14] <hexmode> ok....
[18:14] <skellat> Have we determined what the common set of applications is yet?
[18:14]  * hexmode notes it
[18:15] <czajkowski> skellat: what do you mean ?
[18:15] <skellat> czajkowski: "work on documenting set-up and install for common applications for NGOs: TODO"
[18:16] <hexmode> czajkowski: fwiw, I think WMF is using CiviCRM
[18:16] <czajkowski> that would be nigel and he's not here
[18:16] <czajkowski> so I cant update on that
[18:16] <skellat> czajkowski: Alrighty.  That'll have to wait.
[18:16] <czajkowski> ok
[18:16] <czajkowski> right so moving on
[18:16] <czajkowski> [topic] Future plans for the team
[18:16] <meetingology> TOPIC: Future plans for the team
[18:17] <czajkowski> SO I do wonder is there enough interest in this team, or is it just something that is in the backgroud that can just be worked on from time to time
[18:17] <czajkowski> I know we have case studies but sometimes it's hard to find them
[18:17] <skellat> czajkowski: Can the case studies be migrated to the wiki or another appropriate depository?
[18:17] <czajkowski> but I'd either like to find out what we could do better so we can come up with a action plan or what
[18:17] <czajkowski> skellat: some are on the wiki and the others as they are very long are on the blog
[18:18] <czajkowski> as the blog is on the planet
[18:18] <czajkowski> so read by more people
[18:18] <czajkowski> skellat: would you like to see the posts on the wiki as well do you think?
[18:19] <hexmode> czajkowski: for me right now this is a background task.  I want to help, but my time is limited.  Packaging on Debian is probably my best way to contribute.
[18:19] <skellat> czajowski: At this point, we need to collect them into preferably one source.  The wiki is one possibility.  Glomming them altogether into a word processing file and making it available as a monolithic set might be good too.
[18:19] <AlanBell> one thing I am working on starting up is the Ubuntu For All project which will support various teams https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll -ngo is not currently on the list, do you think it should be?
[18:19] <skellat> AlanBell: Yeah, we probably should be part of that too.
[18:19] <czajkowski> skellat: ok, so I've copied all the ones that are on the wiki to the blog
[18:20] <czajkowski> but would you think it'd be a good idea to have them all on the wiki as well in case folks are searching from there
[18:20] <czajkowski> hexmode: I know this cycle has been very odd for me
[18:21] <czajkowski> how about I'll  look into it and see if it's not too big a task
[18:22] <skellat> czajkowski: The big thing is to have them collected in one spot.  The wiki would be good.  Releasing the cases as a collection would help us show NGOs that we are taking coordinated action instead of one-off matters.
[18:22] <czajkowski> ok
[18:22] <czajkowski> [action] czajkowski to copy over intereviews that are not on wiki from blog to wiki
[18:22] <meetingology> ACTION: czajkowski to copy over intereviews that are not on wiki from blog to wiki
[18:22] <skellat> czajkowski: Posting the whole collection to archive.org wouldn't hurt either, I suppose.
[18:22] <czajkowski> [topic] Monthly Report
[18:22] <meetingology> TOPIC: Monthly Report
[18:23] <czajkowski> can I please have a volunteer to create the monthly report and mail the list asking for updates on it
[18:23] <czajkowski> that way it gets done but we can all add content to it
[18:23] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NGO/TeamReports
[18:23]  * skellat Raises hand to volunteer
[18:23] <czajkowski> great
[18:23] <czajkowski> [action] skellat to update monthly report and mail team asking for any other comments on it
[18:23] <meetingology> ACTION: skellat to update monthly report and mail team asking for any other comments on it
[18:23] <czajkowski> skellat: thank you
[18:23] <czajkowski> [topic] AOB
[18:23] <meetingology> TOPIC: AOB
[18:24] <AlanBell> ah, this is the better place to raise the ubuntu for all topic really
[18:24] <czajkowski> thanks fo coming folks lets see if we can inject some caffine into the team
[18:24] <czajkowski> [topic] Add Ubuntu NGO to the Ubuntu For All project which will support various teams https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll
[18:24] <meetingology> TOPIC: Add Ubuntu NGO to the Ubuntu For All project which will support various teams https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll
[18:25] <skellat> AlanBell: Could you please summarize the nature of UbuntuForAll for the record?
[18:25] <AlanBell> what exactly it does is a little wooly at the moment, but it is a project to support various non-loco non-technical teams
[18:26] <AlanBell> making sure they are running smoothly, attending and monitoring meetings, helping with monthly reports etc
[18:26] <czajkowski> ok so sort of like a helper and somwerhe that lists non loco stuff
[18:26] <AlanBell> so if a team kind of drifts off then we would try and get it going again
[18:27] <AlanBell> yeah something like that
[18:27] <czajkowski> ok
[18:27] <czajkowski> I think it'd be good to have us listed there
[18:27] <skellat> Agreed
[18:27] <czajkowski> at least it's more visability
[18:28] <AlanBell> great, I will update it accordingly, and let you know more about it as it kicks off
[18:28] <czajkowski> [action] AlanBell to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll with NGO details
[18:28] <meetingology> ACTION: AlanBell to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll with NGO details
[18:28] <czajkowski> any other comments before I end the meeting
[18:28] <skellat> AlanBell: Could you send a post to our fairly sleepy mailing list too?
[18:28] <AlanBell> will do skellat
[18:28] <skellat> AlanBell: Thank you.
[18:29] <czajkowski> [action] AlanBell to mail mailing list re https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll
[18:29] <meetingology> ACTION: AlanBell to mail mailing list re https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll
[18:29] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[18:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Aug 16 17:26:51 2010 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell . (v 0.1.4)
[18:29] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/ubuntu-ngo/2010/ubuntu-ngo.2010-08-16-17.01.html
[18:29] <meetingology> Minutes (text): http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/ubuntu-ngo/2010/ubuntu-ngo.2010-08-16-17.01.txt
[18:29] <meetingology> Log:            http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/ubuntu-ngo/2010/ubuntu-ngo.2010-08-16-17.01.log.html
[18:29] <czajkowski> ohhhhhhhhhhh
[18:29] <skellat> czajkowski: What?
[18:30] <czajkowski> the links above
[18:30] <czajkowski> :D
[18:30] <czajkowski> right I'll be back in a wee bit for the evening
[18:30] <AlanBell> yeah, don't believe them
[18:30] <czajkowski> I need to cook some food
[18:30] <czajkowski> thanks for coming
[18:30] <AlanBell> I will sort out the minutes somewhere czajkowski
[18:30] <skellat> czajkowski: You're welcome, ma'am.
[18:30] <AlanBell> that is my development bot, logs are actually on my desktop
[18:31] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NGO/Meeting
[18:31] <skellat> AlanBell: Somehow I pulled up the minutes by clicking on the link, though...
[18:31] <skellat> AlanBell: Should that have been possible?
[18:31] <AlanBell> ah, ok, yes I did do that
[18:31] <AlanBell> you are reading them from my desktop all the same!
[18:32] <skellat> AlanBell: Excellent!
[18:32] <skellat> Have a good day, all.
[19:55] <highvoltage> czajkowski: eek, sorry I missed it, that will also have to be deferred for maverick+1 since we're already in feature freeze (I'll give more details later)